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Robert Linton
08-31-2017, 07:15 AM
How much additional weight does the center lock conversion add?
DZnutz
08-31-2017, 08:05 AM
why dont you contact forgeline? common sense nowadays
I had them, minimal weight increase if any, especially if you order the optional titanium hardware. Sharp looking race wheels, very uncommon...however you need the special tools that come with the wheels to put on and off, and need to be torqued.
IndyRon
08-31-2017, 10:29 AM
Ask Tony (Nineball), he will know. He stated that it does add some unsprung weight but don't know how much.
AZTVR
08-31-2017, 11:30 AM
How much additional weight does the center lock conversion add?
Ask Tony (Nineball), he will know. He stated that it does add some unsprung weight but don't know how much.
OP, in case you are wondering who is referenced above, he was posting here: https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/12131-Forgeline-Center-Lock
Robert, curious why you are looking to convert to center lock?
Robert Linton
09-01-2017, 05:46 AM
First, thank you all. The reason is simple, have always liked center lock an I find it easier to take wheels one and off. Never had a Viper but am getting this one.
SSGNRDZ_28
09-01-2017, 07:54 AM
Welcome to the forum, Robert, good to see a picture of your car - looks great. Post more pictures when you have them.
Doug
Scott_in_fl
09-01-2017, 08:51 AM
Terrific looking color combo. Never in a million years would I have thought about that combination, or risked that it would come out good, but you really knocked it out of the park.
Regarding the center locks, I too have looked into it because the selection of 6-lug wheels is fairly sparse. By going centerlock, you can have HRE (or any other wheel co.) make you just about anything. I can't seem to find the weights of the conversion, but I recall it not being very bad.
Robert Linton
09-01-2017, 01:13 PM
Truth is I came up with that combination out of the blue - and liked it. And thanks to the good people at Chrysler, the UAW and Viper Exchange, it became reality. BTW, looking at three Forgeline Wheels, VX1R, GA1R and GE1R. Any opinions?
ViperDC
09-01-2017, 04:18 PM
Truth is I came up with that combination out of the blue - and liked it. And thanks to the good people at Chrysler, the UAW and Viper Exchange, it became reality. BTW, looking at three Forgeline Wheels, VX1R, GA1R and GE1R. Any opinions?
That thing looks awesome. Post more pics
Robert Linton
09-01-2017, 06:51 PM
All I have so far.
outnumbered
09-01-2017, 07:37 PM
Truth is I came up with that combination out of the blue - and liked it. And thanks to the good people at Chrysler, the UAW and Viper Exchange, it became reality. BTW, looking at three Forgeline Wheels, VX1R, GA1R and GE1R. Any opinions?
I have a thread going on the VX16 if you would like to see them on a car.
SSGNRDZ_28
09-01-2017, 10:04 PM
Robert - this thread might be of interest to you:
https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/15962-Forgeline-GTD1-Viper-Wheel-Weights?
IIRC center locks actually save a tiny bit of weight.
(PS I hope you tinker with your Viper like your 964!)
Robert Linton
09-02-2017, 07:16 AM
Thank you.
FLATOUT
09-02-2017, 07:28 AM
Great to see you on here Bob and I am looking forward to building this car for you. Nineball (Tony Whatley) lives in the Houston area and is a long time friend of mine, happy to discuss some wheel options with you guys.
Andy
Robert Linton
09-02-2017, 09:40 AM
Again, thanks. With what Viper Exchange, DSE, Forgeline, Cartridge and possibly others might be able to offer, it should be interesting.
ViperDC
09-03-2017, 11:13 PM
All I have so far.
Looks amazing. Love the green stripe. Post more when you get em!
ACRucrazy
09-04-2017, 12:07 AM
I considered Purple with SSG GTS stripes, seeing this car makes me think i should have taken the gamble! Awesome!
viperBase1
09-04-2017, 10:27 AM
Truth is I came up with that combination out of the blue - and liked it. And thanks to the good people at Chrysler, the UAW and Viper Exchange, it became reality. BTW, looking at three Forgeline Wheels, VX1R, GA1R and GE1R. Any opinions?
28319
Welcome Bob, car is already a stunner. Is that Stryker Purple?
About these wheels..
28320
Casting my vote:
First Place - VX1R. Mostly because of the outward angular push of the spokes.. Has a sinister feel that goes with the general theme of the car.
2nd Place - GE1R. Pretty Cool, but a bit "spokey" for my taste. Not sinister enough. Not for this car.
3rd Place - GA1R. Not for this car.
There I Voted. :United_States:
Congrats you scored!
Robert Linton
09-04-2017, 11:44 AM
How about the GTD-1?
Space Truckin
09-04-2017, 01:49 PM
How about the GTD-1?
In Bronze w center lock? :dancingman:
28322
For some reason I can't find any info on TUV or JWL certifications for Forgeline wheels. Wonder why....
SSGNRDZ_28
09-04-2017, 01:59 PM
How much do each of these wheels weigh and are they all suitable for ACR aero loads? I know the GTD-1 is.
viperBase1
09-04-2017, 02:05 PM
In Bronze w center lock? :dancingman:
28322
GTD1 - screams CHARIOT. Especially in bronze. :web_driver:
I'm still down for the VX1R.
Space Truckin
09-04-2017, 02:19 PM
GTD1 - screams CHARIOT. Especially in bronze. :web_driver:
I'm still down for the VX1R.
Just posting pic for op, I myself prefer the VX1R w center lock....:hog:
Robert Linton
09-04-2017, 02:39 PM
I am thinking about both the VX1R and the GTD1. I am checking on the load ability of both. As to color, how about my favorite BBS gold?
Robert Linton
09-04-2017, 02:41 PM
Another picture of the color.
Space Truckin
09-04-2017, 03:11 PM
Thar color would be sick....wow
Guys, you should take a look at Finspeed wheels. Widely used in a racing community, they make any custom sizes and they are based in Texas. Center lock options are available as well.
WDW MKR
09-04-2017, 11:10 PM
I really dig that GE1R!! Has me thinking options down the road...
Robert, FYI: Here are some pics of my car with Foregline center hubs, and Forgeline GTD1's in gloss red. Both wheels look outstanding in person, as photos/light never do car pics (other than HD) justice. The center hubs always got more attention, especially from race enthusiasts...on and off is very quick, but gotta carry the special hex and breaker bar all the time.
I got tired of the black (everybody was doing Black wheels) center hubs after several years, and went to the GTD1 in gloss red (they come in other colors also) to offset the red highlights in the car. Looking back, I liked the look of black center hubs somewhat better. I bought both sets from Tony Whatley ("Nine Ball", VCA member and Foregeline distributor) in Houston. Very helpful, knowledgeable and easy to work with, also gives discounts. Good Luck
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ViperDC
09-05-2017, 10:43 AM
Another picture of the color.
that is awesome looking.
Robert Linton
09-05-2017, 11:14 AM
Thank you.
Bryan Savage
09-05-2017, 01:35 PM
Robert, FYI: Here are some pics of my car with Foregline center hubs, and Forgeline GTD1's in gloss red. Both wheels look outstanding in person, as photos/light never do car pics (other than HD) justice. The center hubs always got more attention, especially from race enthusiasts...on and off is very quick, but gotta carry the special hex and breaker bar all the time...
Did you happen to weigh the difference? With the centerlock wheels needing an adapter to attach to the OE studs, I couldn't see how they could possibly be lighter than the GTD-1s.
Robert Linton
09-05-2017, 02:07 PM
I agree. It should be heavier. Does anyone how by how much?
Did you happen to weigh the difference? With the centerlock wheels needing an adapter to attach to the OE studs, I couldn't see how they could possibly be lighter than the GTD-1s.
No I did not, as weight had nothing to do with my decision to buy the wheels. However, I did order the optional titanium hardware at Tony's (Nine Ball) suggestion, to reduce weight "further", and at minor cost.
If weight was a problem with these wheels, he would have certainly told me. Tony is an avid a racer (well know by Viper owners on VOA and the Corvette forum), and had the same wheels on his '13 GTS, when he was the first to do under 11 sec in his bone stock car. f
Further, he showed me pics of several heavily tracked Vipers, that had the same wheels...so, if there is some weight increase it is negligible imo, and certainly nothing that pushing away from the table wouldn't solve :)
Robert Linton
09-06-2017, 07:46 AM
Something seems a bit odd. If the center lock adapter and the other parts of this assembly weigh, e.g., 4 pounds, with the wheels (front and rear) rotating at perhaps 8oo times a mile at 60 MPH (more at higher speeds), the effect of an extra 4 pounds is quite dramatic - of course, in street driving or for anyone less than a very good race driver, it would be relatively negligible. Additionally, as the weight is unprung, this, too, should create a slight performance differential. Finally, though again minimal in street driving or for an amateur racer, the extra weight should produce a slight penalty in acceleration and in braking as more mass must be moved forward and slowed down.
Robert Linton
09-06-2017, 07:50 AM
Question: assuming it is in steel, could more components of the center lock adapter assembly be produced in titanium and/or possibly aluminum metal matrix composite?
viperBase1
09-06-2017, 08:29 AM
MHO.. As to color. (least of your worries)
F2V's car works with black wheels because they tie to the black top and other bits.
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And it works with the red wheels because they tie to the mirrors, the pin stripe and the tail light lenses.
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Leads the eye in either direction. (btw I want to steal that spoiler!)
As to color, how about my favorite BBS gold?
Personally, for your car I can't see anything other than black or shades of grey.
But then again, I never woulda thought a green stripe would work either, n' it does.
Maybe get really tricky/unique and go with a two-tone job. I could see a color change on the VX1R's right at the boundary of the angular push of the spokes. (black\grey; grey\black)
And/Or match the center lock to the green stripe. Something subtle.
Unless of course you want to pimp it out..then the bronze or gold might make sense.
Then again, I know nothing! :witless:
Snakebit10
09-06-2017, 11:17 AM
That VX1R in gold looks drop dead gorgeous. It would be interesting to see it on your car. Is this for street or track? I think it would look great in 20" F -21" R if its for street.
SharpMan
09-06-2017, 11:42 AM
That VX1R in gold looks drop dead gorgeous. It would be interesting to see it on your car. Is this for street or track? I think it would look great in 20" F -21" R if its for street.
I don't know if you could do an R20 on the front...front tire is already painted on with the 19" wheel...
Scott_in_fl
09-06-2017, 11:48 AM
If I recall correctly, Darius has a 20" front street setup.
IMO, 19F with a 30 series tire is the right look up front, and then 19R or 20R out back.
My 2 cents on the color stuff:
Gold wheels do not go with the OP's color scheme. The green stripe is a unique idea, but begs additional accenting. If it was my car, I'd do the anodized green (ViperBase1's idea) on the center lock spindle (if Forgeline would do the color), and green on the mirrors...which he can send to Prefix for match painting and clear coat.
texasram
09-06-2017, 12:47 PM
Welcome Bob, car is already a stunner. Is that Stryker Purple?
About these wheels..
28320
Casting my vote:
First Place - VX1R. Mostly because of the outward angular push of the spokes.. Has a sinister feel that goes with the general theme of the car.
2nd Place - GE1R. Pretty Cool, but a bit "spokey" for my taste. Not sinister enough. Not for this car.
3rd Place - GA1R. Not for this car.
There I Voted. :United_States:
Congrats you scored!
The vx1r looks like they belong on a stingray
[QUOTE=viperBase1;316722]MHO.. As to color. (least of your worries)
<<...the pin stripe>>
Actually, Prefix terms it a 3/8" tracer, which also goes under the doors, hood and hatch lips, as it continuously 'traces' around the car...just like the '13 GTSR ALMS racer paint scheme, which my paint scheme mimics.
Nine Ball
09-10-2017, 12:10 PM
Robert, I'd be happy to help you with these Forgeline wheels. I appreciate everyone mentioning me, it means a lot to see all my customers and friends do so.
Centerlock (aka "Flushloc") adds about 4 lbs weight per wheel. The bolt-on hubs are made of steel, and replace sections of the wheel that would otherwise be aluminum. Moment of inertia isn't the real issue, due to this extra weight being located about the center of the rotating axis. MOI has a worse effect as you travel outwards on the rotating diameter.
Some of the designs you selected are only available in 5-lug configuration. The 6-lug studs are converted to drive pins and still have to reside within the wheel center. The GTD1 is the only wheel Forgeline recommends for the ACR Extreme, for track use. If only street use, any of their designs will handle those loads.
Email me at Tony@DV8motoring.com and I'd be happy to walk you through this and help you select the best package for the car. Thanks
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