Final Production order

[soltic]

Our black ACR-E was one of the 8 cars at the 25th Anniversary on display on the production floor in the cordoned-off area.

As we all know, vin and production order are not related - is there any way to figure out how far our car was away from the final production car?

Just curious....

[GTS21]

Good question, i'm curious as well. My car was one of the 8 cars there too. Vin is in the high 700s, but i'm guessing i have a pretty late build date.

[ViperJeff]

Our black ACR-E was one of the 8 cars at the 25th Anniversary on display on the production floor in the cordoned-off area.

As we all know, vin and production order are not related - is there any way to figure out how far our car was away from the final production car?

Just curious....

Yes.....

[bluesrt]

have they revealed the special built care for danne yet?

[Track Pack]

Anyone have the final count # of 2017 built???

[ViperDC]

Anyone have the final count # of 2017 built???

should be around 850

[ViperJeff]

Anyone have the final count # of 2017 built???

Yes, and it's not 850

[Voice of Reason]

Yes.....


Yes, and it's not 850

Thanks for the details?

[ViperJeff]

Happy to help :)

[01sapphirebob]

have they revealed the special built care for danne yet?

D'Ann picked up her car on 8/11 at CAAP. She has the last VIN but does not have the last car produced. The VIN for her car is the total number of Viper production over the last 25 years. It's 319XX. I don't remember the exact number.

Heres a pic of her car. It was designed by SRT for her. The center "stripe" on the car is actual carbon fiber weave. Sorry for the sideways pic. Can't get the darn thing right side up. :(

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[PkB2014]

Wow, that is awesome! That VIN really seems like they believe it is the end of the line. :(

[01sapphirebob]

Wow, that is awesome! That VIN really seems like they believe it is the end of the line. :(

I'm pretty sure it is. I have long since resigned myself to the idea.

(1800th post! WOO!)

[Rocket]

You have to excuse Jeff. He's a great source of knowledge ..... and frustrated that he has no-one to share it with (or talk to) on the dead site.


Thanks for the details?


Yes, and it's not 850


Yes.....


Happy to help :)

[sparkrn]

You have to excuse Jeff. He's a great source of knowledge ..... and frustrated that he has no-one to share it with (or talk to) on the dead site.

That's not true, he has about 3 regulars that talk in circles with him over there.

[jaxtk]

The last Vin was 000846, and it went to Canada.

[donk_316]

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This stripe should have been available from the factory. Way way better than the paint roller versions they offered.

Also giving the last car a super special VIN is just going to add more confusion to an already confusing system.

Y'all need to be nice to Jeff. He has way more info than any of us. I'm still trying to sweet talk him on final numbers for 2016 :)

[ACRSNK]

Happy to help :)

Is there a reason you don't want to post the facts and figures?

[ViperJeff]

This stripe should have been available from the factory. Way way better than the paint roller versions they offered.

Also giving the last car a super special VIN is just going to add more confusion to an already confusing system.

Y'all need to be nice to Jeff. He has way more info than any of us. I'm still trying to sweet talk him on final numbers for 2016 :)

I thought I had done that. When I get home, I'll pm you the number

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Is there a reason you don't want to post the facts and figures?

Yes

[ViperJeff]

You have to excuse Jeff. He's a great source of knowledge ..... and frustrated that he has no-one to share it with (or talk to) on the dead site.

I can wait, I understand the current generation of owners has other interests, I'm good with that.

[ACRSNK]

I thought I had done that. When I get home, I'll pm you the number

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Yes

Gotta love people like this...every forum has at least one :rolleyes:

[soltic]

The last Vin was 000846, and it went to Canada.

I think mid-800's were produced prior, my car and similar Canuck cars that are the last produced are high 700's....?

[PkB2014]

Gotta love people like this...every forum has at least one :rolleyes:

He mentioned it in other threads a while ago. Pretty sure he doesn't want or not suppose to keep talking about it.

[SharpMan]

My car was still on the line during the event and the day we visited (Friday before the Saturday event) D'Ann was taking delivery of her car. I'm VIN 633.

According to the plant manager there were 9 left to build. Don't know whether that included mine or not as it was at the head of the line.

Car arrived at the dealer today 1 year after being ordered. I'm in Canada.

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That's not what they said at the plant. They said her car was the last US customer VIN.


D'Ann picked up her car on 8/11 at CAAP. She has the last VIN but does not have the last car produced. The VIN for her car is the total number of Viper production over the last 25 years. It's 319XX. I don't remember the exact number.

Heres a pic of her car. It was designed by SRT for her. The center "stripe" on the car is actual carbon fiber weave. Sorry for the sideways pic. Can't get the darn thing right side up. :(

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[Bruce H.]

Very nice!

[jaxtk]

Build date and Vin # are not always in order. 633 was built Aug 4, 846 was built Aug 8.

[SharpMan]

Build date and Vin # are not always in order. 633 was built Aug 4, 846 was built Aug 8.

Build date is probably an interesting thing too...it was still on the line incomplete August 11th...I should know...I was there ;-)

Plant manager confirmed that VIN and production timing have nothing to do with each other.

[Mopar Boy]

According to the plant manager there were 9 left to build. Don't know whether that included mine or not as it was at the head of the line.

Car arrived at the dealer today 1 year after being ordered. I'm in Canada.

That's not what they said at the plant. They said her car was the last US customer VIN.


Let me help out here a bit...spent a lot of time at the plant the last few weeks.

The last batch of cars on the line, almost all of what was seen at the plant during the event on the Saturday two weeks ago, were export cars. AKA, Canada.

Your car arrived at dealer as part of the last shipment of cars. Mine is on that same truck and is going to be delivered tomorrow. Mine was last customer car on the line. Museum car was last car period and right behind mine. The yellow car that Ralph and Mark posed with that is all over the internet news articles, is my yellow one.

All of the last few days production goes to Canada. 6 were on todays truck. All Ontario cars. I believe there may have been a few more but they may have gone to Quebec or the West Coast. Not sure how that shipment worked.

[ViperJeff]

This stripe should have been available from the factory. Way way better than the paint roller versions they offered.

Also giving the last car a super special VIN is just going to add more confusion to an already confusing system.

Y'all need to be nice to Jeff. He has way more info than any of us. I'm still trying to sweet talk him on final numbers for 2016 :)

Most don't know we were working this list at the same time. We agreed way back when to share final count.

Again, my apology, I thought I had sent it to you

645

A - 152
B - 18
C - 290
D - 185

That should help you find any that may be missing in your list

[SharpMan]

They did say they had to build all the US cars first just in case...I didn't know all the last cars were Canadian...though I wasn't aware of any other export market. Thanks!


Let me help out here a bit...spent a lot of time at the plant the last few weeks.

The last batch of cars on the line, almost all of what was seen at the plant during the event on the Saturday two weeks ago, were export cars. AKA, Canada.

Your car arrived at dealer as part of the last shipment of cars. Mine is on that same truck and is going to be delivered tomorrow. Mine was last customer car on the line. Museum car was last car period and right behind mine. The yellow car that Ralph and Mark posed with that is all over the internet news articles, is my yellow one.

All of the last few days production goes to Canada. 6 were on todays truck. All Ontario cars. I believe there may have been a few more but they may have gone to Quebec or the West Coast. Not sure how that shipment worked.

[Mopar Boy]

They did say they had to build all the US cars first just in case...I didn't know all the last cars were Canadian...though I wasn't aware of any other export market. Thanks!



Yes. The gulf coast (aka, Middle East) also gets labeled as export.

Also calculating in my head, there was closer to 10 Ontario cars. Maybe even 12. I know there was that many Canadian cars, but I can't confirm they all went to Ontario.

[ACRSNK]

He mentioned it in other threads a while ago. Pretty sure he doesn't want or not suppose to keep talking about it.

Because its o so difficult to post the number again here right? Pretty childish if you ask me.

[GTS21]

Fwiw, my car was still at the factory during the event (the afterburner orange one in the roped off area) and it's a US car

[ViperJeff]

Because its o so difficult to post the number again here right? Pretty childish if you ask me.

You do realize I'm under no obligation to post any numbers here and you and/or your club have no standing in requiring me to do so. That, and I can't think of a single reason to share it. However, I did want the OP to know there are answers. How he comes to obtain those, is a endeavor of his choosing.

He will find his answer, maybe you can tell him

[theviper]

You do realize I'm under no obligation to post any numbers here and you and/or your club have no standing in requiring me to do so. That, and I can't think of a single reason to share it. However, I did want the OP to know there are answers. How he comes to obtain those, is a endeavor of his choosing.

He will find his answer, maybe you can tell him

Jeff, thanks for the hard work and countless hours you have spent organizing these numbers. It is discouraging when people disparage hard work (volunteer work, at that), but please don't let it bring you down. Almost all of us here really appreciate what you are doing. I would love to find out how many cars with my color combinations (I have multiple Vipers) were made. Not sure where to find that info, but if you have it, I'll PM you the color combos. Thank you!

[ACRSNK]

You do realize I'm under no obligation to post any numbers here and you and/or your club have no standing in requiring me to do so. That, and I can't think of a single reason to share it. However, I did want the OP to know there are answers. How he comes to obtain those, is a endeavor of his choosing.

He will find his answer, maybe you can tell him

Relax buddy. No one said you had to do anything. You remind me of a kid I used to know in kindergarten that no one liked.

[ViperJeff]

Relax buddy. No one said you had to do anything. You remind me of a kid I used to know in kindergarten that no one liked.

You remind me of a little league pitcher who's dad is the coach

[ACRSNK]

You remind me of a little league pitcher who's dad is the coach

That's way better than what you remind me of.

[soltic]

Maybe Canadian Viper will have some more info.....

In the interim does anyone know the listed production date for 770?

[donk_316]

Most don't know we were working this list at the same time. We agreed way back when to share final count.

Again, my apology, I thought I had sent it to you

645

A - 152
B - 18
C - 290
D - 185

That should help you find any that may be missing in your list

Awesome man. I have 428/645 of the VINs sorted. Thanks very much.

[outnumbered]

Jeff,
Kind of off topic, but didn't they actually only make 45 Carbon editions, rather than the 50 stated on my plaque?

[ViperJeff]

Jeff,
Kind of off topic, but didn't they actually only make 45 Carbon editions, rather than the 50 stated on my plaque?

35.........

[commandomatt]

Jeff,

I know you are getting hammered with questions but, will the 1 of 1's be listed as just that or will they be identified with the actual colors and combos used ?

[outnumbered]

35.........

Thanks.

So 35 GTS's and 10 GTS/TA's?

[ViperJeff]

Thanks.

So 35 GTS's and 10 GTS/TA's?

35 total, I don't have the breakdown with me

[outnumbered]

35 total, I don't have the breakdown with me

Wow...Thanks!

[ViperJeff]

Jeff,

I know you are getting hammered with questions but, will the 1 of 1's be listed as just that or will they be identified with the actual colors and combos used ?

All but the special paint, when, no time table, where, IVR

[Bill Pemberton]

There were 10 TA's ( as promoted by Dodge/SRT ) , and as we all found out these were actually Carbon Edition with the TA Option Group. Woodhouse had 3 of the 10 and that is the total number of the TA Option Group cars.

[jaxtk]

Maybe Canadian Viper will have some more info.....

In the interim does anyone know the listed production date for 770?

Build date for Vin # hv500770 8/2/2017

[outnumbered]

There were 10 TA's ( as promoted by Dodge/SRT ) , and as we all found out these were actually Carbon Edition with the TA Option Group. Woodhouse had 3 of the 10 and that is the total number of the TA Option Group cars.

Bill, Not that I ever think about collector value, but given that the plaques identify 50, but only 35 were actually produced, do you think that add's anymore to the exclusivity of the car from a value standpoint?

[donk_316]

Jeff,

I know you are getting hammered with questions but, will the 1 of 1's be listed as just that or will they be identified with the actual colors and combos used ?

I know you guys are asking about 2017s but the data is the same as the 2016s.
Basically I can see if a car is a GTC and if they have the custom color option. I can't find anywhere where it lists the custom color / code used.
Assuming you're talking 1 of 1 GTC cars. I doubt any ACR build will be a 1 of 1 unless it's a GTC.

[Bill Pemberton]

I have always felt that glitches in special builds will have provenance in future years, not because of anything except viewing the history of collectible automobiles. It adds to the story , just like consumer perception builds irrational value in other desirable models. Examples would be the Final Edition in 2002 , which at 360 models , is the most common build of the Viper, yet because of the racing color combo and folks believing it is highly sought after it normally brings more than a Bumblebee GTS -- believe there were only around 37 of them built , so 1/10th of the production, yet perception rules value at present ( not saying that can not change in years to come). Another example is the hype going on now with the TA models. I firmly believe a lot of the uptick in this model ( love the fact ) is due to owner/buyer perception of the car and with 159 of them in 2014 , they were a quite common machine back then. They sold well , but not exceptional ( and we had a mother lode of them) , but now they are the hot ticket and that vehicle has a special place in my heart for personal reasons. So we often look at low numbers, and that rationally would build value, but consumer perception is just as valuable in the long run.

The Launch Edition in 2013 was, like the TA, done in relatively large Viper numbers, but it too has stayed strong on the used market. I think the simple answer with it is just simplythat it is the Legendary Viper color combo and too many associate it with the Snake?!

[Voice of Reason]

With the multitude of build combinations out there it's very hard for a secondary buyer or even seller to know how to price a car. That's where some of the stability in TA prices comes from. If you're buying or selling a TA you know exactly what you're looking at and have compatible sales to base your price decisions on. The 2002 FE and 2013 LE have the same comparison base going for them.

[ViperJon]

Low production numbers certainly don't guarantee higher resale or future values when it comes to the Viper. Far too many 1 of XX's that are unique. The Gen IV ACR's were all low production numbers in most colors. When everybody is unique nobody is unique. Hundreds of 1 of 1 Gen V's now. I think the TA1's popularity is not only the limited edition status but the fact many perceive it as the perfect gen V alliteration. Perfect street/track combo. Faster than base or GTS, racier looks with the CF bits but no outlandish wing. Orange is the most desired color and yet they made the most of them. Sometimes the car designers just nail it perfectly from an esthetic viewpoint. Blue and white Gen 2 GTS. Red and white Gen 2 FE. 2014 Orange TA. 2017 GTS-R. Classic iconic signature colors.

[City]

Relax buddy. No one said you had to do anything. You remind me of a kid I used to know in kindergarten that no one liked.


You remind me of a little league pitcher who's dad is the coach


That's way better than what you remind me of.

Seriously? Reread these post and try not to be embarrassed. Let's stay on topic. Thank you. :)

[LABrit]

With the multitude of build combinations out there it's very hard for a secondary buyer or even seller to know how to price a car. That's where some of the stability in TA prices comes from. If you're buying or selling a TA you know exactly what you're looking at and have compatible sales to base your price decisions on. The 2002 FE and 2013 LE have the same comparison base going for them.

Agreed on that point actually - i have one of the highest MSRP's out there and for ACR 1 of 1's the prices are all over the show. Last i heard was that non 1 of 1's were going for 10-15k below MSRP.

[Viper Girl]

Congrats on your new Yellow beast! Glad you got one of the last ones made :)

[SharpMan]

Agreed on that point actually - i have one of the highest MSRP's out there and for ACR 1 of 1's the prices are all over the show. Last i heard was that non 1 of 1's were going for 10-15k below MSRP.

I can't believe anyone would prefer a "fake" ACR based on the GTC to the real thing! ;-)

[ACRSNK]

Seriously? Reread these post and try not to be embarrassed. Let's stay on topic. Thank you. :)

He started it. Lol :)

[viperguy69]

There were 10 TA's ( as promoted by Dodge/SRT ) , and as we all found out these were actually Carbon Edition with the TA Option Group. Woodhouse had 3 of the 10 and that is the total number of the TA Option Group cars.

So, 35 Carbon Edition GTS and 10 Carbon Edition T/A = 45?

If it's 35 total then I am confused where mine would fall into alignment then...

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[ek1]

I can't believe anyone would prefer a "fake" ACR based on the GTC to the real thing! ;-)

Sorry, what was that again? I hear some buzz coming out of a 1-speaker stereo...:)

[ViperJeff]

So, 35 Carbon Edition GTS and 10 Carbon Edition T/A = 45?

If it's 35 total then I am confused where mine would fall into alignment then...

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Edit: Sorry Bill, I noticed late he asked you. disregard this post

[outnumbered]

So, 35 Carbon Edition GTS and 10 Carbon Edition T/A = 45?

If it's 35 total then I am confused where mine would fall into alignment then...

28272

I wonder if they actually put the plaques on in sequence, or if it was random placement?

[Mopar Boy]

Congrats on your new Yellow beast! Glad you got one of the last ones made :)


Thanks Kala! Funny how things turn out sometimes in life. :)

[Scott_in_fl]

Agreed on that point actually - i have one of the highest MSRP's out there and for ACR 1 of 1's the prices are all over the show. Last i heard was that non 1 of 1's were going for 10-15k below MSRP.

Agree with this and Bill's point above. Both are indicating that values will be set by several factors, and one of the large factors will always be how it looks/is perceived by buyers. There are some absolutely sick 1 of 1's (LaBrit's included) that, when you see them in person, you are left aghast. Others, not so much.

The same goes for the non 1 of 1's. Some of the combos, compared to others, are just a bit of a snore (if any Viper can be). Ultimately, when it comes time for you to sell your car, you will be competing with whatever else is then in the market. Today, Bumblebees may not be in because yellow cars may be out (for now). Blues are in today, so those price better right now. But, we all know that trends in hot colors for cars come and go, so who knows if tomorrow everyone wants yellow cars again.

The point is that they are all limited numbers to the point that they are quite rare to see on the road. There are likely 40 ACR's of one color combo, 20 of another, etc. That is probably enough to satisfy the "exclusivity" factor for all combinations. But, when a stryker orange with black stripes is bid against something not quite as striking (pardon the pun), I think you'll see the market value the stryker orange car more favorably. I realize this is not the best example, but you get the point.

[swexlin]

Interesting to note that there were (I believe) 100 SRT Track Pack cars in Adrenaline Red like mine. Depending on what options they were ordered with (mine has the full leather seats for instance, but not Nav) it could be a 1 of XX car. However, my car isn't worth diddly right now, but in "x", it could be. Or maybe not.

My mother owned a 1971 Jag E V12 (one of the first 3 in the USA) that she bought new in November 1971 (I grew up in that car). She owned it until about 10 years ago, and the value of that car was like a rollercoaster over the years.

[Bruce H.]

My mother owned a 1971 Jag E V12 (one of the first 3 in the USA) that she bought new in November 1971 (I grew up in that car). She owned it until about 10 years ago, and the value of that car was like a rollercoaster over the years.

That was an odd year for the E-Type. '71 was last year of the Series 2 with 6 cylinder, '72 first year for the longer bodied Series 3 with V12 and more emissions and larger bumper over-riders, and there were some 71's with the V12 but not the safety stuff. Can't remember if it was offered with a manual in '71-72, but by '73 it was auto only. Best year I think for the V12 to me was '71-72, and the nuances between those two years probably did affect values. I had a '70.

[swexlin]

That was an odd year for the E-Type. '71 was last year of the Series 2 with 6 cylinder, '72 first year for the longer bodied Series 3 with V12 and more emissions and larger bumper over-riders, and there were some 71's with the V12 but not the safety stuff. Can't remember if it was offered with a manual in '71-72, but by '73 it was auto only. Best year I think for the V12 to me was '71-72, and the nuances between those two years probably did affect values. I had a '70.

Yes, it was technically a 1971 1/2. My mother bought it from Philpenn in Bryn Mawr, PA. Supposedly, 3 V12s for 1971 were produced - one came here to the east coast, one to the Midwest, and the out out west, then the '72 model year started.

My mother's was a white 'vert (no 2+2) with the automatic.

[ViperDC]

Yes, and it's not 850
Can you PM me the number?

[ViperDC]

So, 35 Carbon Edition GTS and 10 Carbon Edition T/A = 45?

If it's 35 total then I am confused where mine would fall into alignment then...

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good question, curious about this too

[ViperSRT]

Can you PM me the number?

How about 849 including the final red Viper? 500847 as last regular VIN.

[ViperJeff]

How about 849 including the final red Viper? 500847 as last regular VIN.

Let's go with that, any number is good :fpopcorn:

[ViperDC]

Let's go with that, any number is good :fpopcorn:

lol its going to be damn close to that

[ViperJeff]

lol its going to be damn close to that

Depends on what close is. 1 or 2, a dozen, ......50

Still waiting on the VOA historian to declare a count

[ViperDC]

good question, curious about this too

Anyone?

[ViperJeff]

Anyone?

I know the answer

I know what numbers were built, I think, not sure, I would have to look, but I might have the build dates also, and few other details.:fpopcorn:

[SRT_BluByU]

Jeff, im realitvly new to the viper community having only owned my viper for a few years. Why cant/dont you share the info ya have??? Im sure lots of folks would like to know all the info they can get on these cars

[ViperJeff]

Jeff, im realitvly new to the viper community having only owned my viper for a few years. Why cant/dont you share the info ya have??? Im sure lots of folks would like to know all the info they can get on these cars

Well, the VOA and I have a pretty awful relationship. Depending on who's telling the story, it's all over the place. In actuality it's pretty stupid. I was like member 78. Introduced to this place as a new an inviting place with none of the road blocks of other clubs. What I found, was a new coat of paint with the same mentality of other places. I tried to share a fair amount of what I've documented, some appreciated, some did not, the vast majority said nothing at all. Kind of normal in most respects. There wasn't just one thing, it was a culmination of comments that helped me realize, no matter what I documented and how I presented it, the push back was always greater than the acceptance. Some of what I know was sent to me in confidence and I will honor that. So it is what it is.

The data I know is available to anyone that takes the time to learn it, research it or maybe even acquire it. You never know, Dodge just may do that and save everyone the guessing. As most know and some have asked, I do share on an individual level and the big answers will come after I finish validating what I have. Some of it will be on a competing site. Most of the compiling I do on this stuff, probably will never share. Other things like the last ACR that's not a 1 of 1 (based on VIN) I post out there for all to see. Some know where, I would guess most don't. Pretty sure the road will always be rocky, neither side will budge at this point for reasons to many to list and some expressed in this thread

On that note, you all should pay attention to the attempt Granger has made. The success of that endeavor will hinge on the efforts of many, however, the trend shows it will die to the next broken switch, flat tire, bad dealer service or FCA complaint.

[SRT_BluByU]

Jeff, you know youre never gonna please everybody. Post away, share your passion, and ignore those who try and tramp on it.

[donk_316]

It's a shame such a small community is so fragmented.

Having said that, the pure man hours required to compile and complete even one model year is overwhelming sometimes and there isn't a list anywhere. So you have to first figure out the complete VINs, by trial and error and then pull each VINs build sheet, once you have figured out the VIN ofcourse. Then find a decent way to sort the data which some of it isn't included on build sheets or equipment listings. So then after spending a year building a 600+ VIN list for one model year, people expect you to hand it over like it was nothing and THEN argue about what is real or not! Haha!

[outnumbered]

There were 10 TA's ( as promoted by Dodge/SRT ) , and as we all found out these were actually Carbon Edition with the TA Option Group. Woodhouse had 3 of the 10 and that is the total number of the TA Option Group cars.

Bill, could you give me the build numbers of the 3 cars you had?

[donk_316]

Bill, could you give me the build numbers of the 3 cars you had?

I'll be shocked if they know the numbers of those cars man. I've chased up that lead in regards to the TA numbers of sold cars. No records are kept unless you can see the number in one of their online pictures.

It's a bit of a pointless endevour just chasing down the dash numbers, you need the VINs and then figure out build numbers off of build sheets. Again, same issues I am dealing with with the 2015-2017 TA tracking.

I would bet a coffee that ViperJeff has all that information for 2014 sorted.

[outnumbered]

I'll be shocked if they know the numbers of those cars man. I've chased up that lead in regards to the TA numbers of sold cars. No records are kept unless you can see the number in one of their online pictures.

It's a bit of a pointless endevour just chasing down the dash numbers, you need the VINs and then figure out build numbers off of build sheets. Again, same issues I am dealing with with the 2015-2017 TA tracking.

I would bet a coffee that ViperJeff has all that information for 2014 sorted.

As Jeff said in the other thread, the Carbon's plaque number will coincide with the VIN. The last number of my VIN is 7. So it should be pretty easy for Bill actually.

I'm absolutely certain Jeff already has the info. He's making me do my homework since I'm the one interested in the data. So does that mean you owe me a coffee since I agree with you?

[LABrit]

Agree with this and Bill's point above. Both are indicating that values will be set by several factors, and one of the large factors will always be how it looks/is perceived by buyers. There are some absolutely sick 1 of 1's (LaBrit's included) that, when you see them in person, you are left aghast. Others, not so much.

The same goes for the non 1 of 1's. Some of the combos, compared to others, are just a bit of a snore (if any Viper can be). Ultimately, when it comes time for you to sell your car, you will be competing with whatever else is then in the market. Today, Bumblebees may not be in because yellow cars may be out (for now). Blues are in today, so those price better right now. But, we all know that trends in hot colors for cars come and go, so who knows if tomorrow everyone wants yellow cars again.

The point is that they are all limited numbers to the point that they are quite rare to see on the road. There are likely 40 ACR's of one color combo, 20 of another, etc. That is probably enough to satisfy the "exclusivity" factor for all combinations. But, when a stryker orange with black stripes is bid against something not quite as striking (pardon the pun), I think you'll see the market value the stryker orange car more favorably. I realize this is not the best example, but you get the point.

I concur - i took out my FIL today and turned up at an exotic meet today (mainly Ferrari's) and everyone went apeshit over the ACR. My FIL commented how the others were dime a dozen...you never see Viper's, let alone 1 of 1's.

[Bill Pemberton]

No names can be listed , but the last of the Vins we had were .............41,45, 48

[outnumbered]

No names can be listed , but the last of the Vins we had were .............41,45, 48


Fantastic!!! Thanks Bill

[soltic]

Would anybody be able to tell me where our 770 ended up being in the last batch - ie 13th last?