Thinking of selling my 16 ACR E

[Mark1107]

Hey everyone, I'm sitting on the fence about selling. We just bought at the beach in Southern California and to be honest, I've taken the ACRE out a handful of times in the mountains but never the track. All of the tracks to really open it her up would require trailering and hotels etc. the drive on city streets is brutal. Plus I've got the striker green GTS which I love and is so much easier on the street. When I bought the ACR I was in a small cramped house but now I have my dream home. I don't feel the need to track, it's just not exciting to me, driving my GTS is way more fun. Maybe I'd feel different at a wide open track?

ACRE's are becoming unobtanium and hopefully will rise in price. Maybe I should hold for a while and then sell? Or do it now. FYI. I can afford to keep her I just want some honest opinions.....please? Plus I have a hellcat I rarely drive as well.



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Plus a couple of the new home...27028 my back yard.

[theviper]

Sell the ACR to me and problem solved:) Seriously, that's a great view of the ocean. Where in SoCal is that view?

[99Vipers]

Sell the Hellcat

[ACRSNK]

Keep the ACR-E, sell the Hellcat, which can easily be replaced if you miss it and have the best of both worlds with your 2 Vipers.

Then again...with a view like that, I would never leave my back yard long enough to drive any car :)

Congrats on the new house. Looks like an amazing place!

[Snakebit10]

You're crazy to sell the ACR since you can keep all three with no problem. That color combo is great too. Beautiful view btw. Congrats.

[Topplayer]

sell it, I know most wont agree with me but a ACR E belongs on the track. If you are giving up the track why do you need a track car? The GTS would do fine on open lapping days.....

[Bruce H.]

Sounds like you might have bought it while a bit restless when what you really needed was a house upgrade. If it isn't going to suit your needs going forward then let it go and fill your life with stuff you'll truly enjoy..like the GTS! Maybe sell the Hellcat too unless you're still in love with it and can justify keeping it despite rarely driving it. Great view btw!

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

Or Do The Tractive Suspension, And Go With The Softer,More Street Friendly T/A Springs , I Did And Now I Truly Love The Car On The Street, And I Sold The Stock Shocks To Off Set The Cost Of The Tractive Set Up. So At A Cost Of 3 Grand , It Was The Right Move For Me.

[SharpMan]

Put those adjustable electronic dampers in it...should help with the street ride no?

[mackzilla]

I'd sell. If you're on the fence about a vehicle it's just like a woman, move on.

[13COBRA]

Gift it to me. haha

Beautiful view.

[The_Ruski_Driver]

I'd sell, sounds like money isn't a factor. Whatever makes you happy is what matters most. Free up the space for something you'd enjoy more!

[Racingswh]

If I were you I would sell it. I feel it's one of the most atrocious street cars of all time. I can not imagine driving one on the street. I literally would rather drive anything other than my ACR-E except another ACR-E. If you are not going to take the truck, trailer, track day leap I can't really give you a good reason to have one if other opportunities are presenting themselves and are more important. That's as honest about it that I can be.

Gorgeous view!! Wow!!

[Mark1107]

Thank you everyone for the honest opinions and compliments. Just mulling it over. The tractive suspension sounds like an idea, but if I'm not going to make the effort to go to the track then I know I'm wasting my time. But I have a feeling that these cars are going the way of the 05 06 Ford GT...I don't want to shoot myself in the foot either.

Please keep the opinions coming. Thanks everyone.

[swexlin]

If you don't need the money or space, just keep 'em all.

[serpent]

I would sell, unless you have space to store the vehicle and let it sit.
The Ford GT didn't get valued double msrp+ overnight. Its a 2005/06 car. We are in 2017. The Ford GT I believe started going up in value 4 years after maybe 5 (2009/2010). And those years they were still sub 200k.

[Rare Snake]

Don't you dare sell that car without taking it to the track at least once, that's ridiculous. Unless it's just a car to you and it's taking up needed space, then glws.

[Snorman]

If I were you I would sell it. I feel it's one of the most atrocious street cars of all time. I can not imagine driving one on the street. I literally would rather drive anything other than my ACR-E except another ACR-E. If you are not going to take the truck, trailer, track day leap I can't really give you a good reason to have one if other opportunities are presenting themselves and are more important. That's as honest about it that I can be.

Gorgeous view!! Wow!!
This.
S.

[Murpowa]

Yet another thread turning into a valuation debate...

[KB Viper]

I would keep the ACR and 2nd the opinion of upgrading to the Tractive suspension from Andy at Viper Exchange. It's about a 7k upgrade but can be set up to be softer than street compared to the GTS and stiffer than race and it makes real time adjustments on the fly. I installed mine almost 2 years ago and still love it. Then I would sell the GTS and keep the Hellcat.
https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/8897-****-ViperExchange-Gen-V-Active-Suspension-Package-Product-Release-****
On another note, I'm in SD we should meet up for a mountain run.

[RedTanRT/10]

Yet another thread turning into a valuation debate...

The OP brought up the FGT comparison

[1HOTV10]

Beautiful view. When can Steph and I come over?

[Track Pack]

Congrats on the new home and the cars. Sell now while the market is hot and there is the anxiety to miss out. Something tells me (ha ha) that if you change your mind in a year or two, you could afford to buy another. Good luck... :)

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

Yes Huge Improvement !!! , When Mine Were First Done , They Had The ACR Spring Rate Springs , And Hated The Ride , Sent The Car To Mike Lavitas,At TPM Motorsports In Maryland, And He Reset The Car With The Softer Spring Rate Used On The T/A, Set The Ride Height, Corner Balanced The Car , And 4 Wheel Alignment , AWESOME !!!!

[ViperSRT]

Yes Huge Improvement !!! , When Mine Were First Done , They Had The ACR Spring Rate Springs , And Hated The Ride , Sent The Car To Mike Lavitas,At TPM Motorsports In Maryland, And He Reset The Car With The Softer Spring Rate Used On The T/A, Set The Ride Height, Corner Balanced The Car , And 4 Wheel Alignment , AWESOME !!!!
Any concerns about over compressing the springs with the ACR downforce with TA spring rates?

This was what drove my decision for a TA2 rather than an ACR (future value not considered as it will not be sold in my lifetime).

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

Not 100 Percent Sure On That ,But For Me The Car Is Better. There Computer Controlled And Constantly Adjusting Compression And Rebound To The Road Conditions.And That's According To Mike. I Imagine Yes, Strictly A Track Car, Yes You Would Want That Stiff Spring On The Tractives,Which Is Fine,But For The Street They Suck, But Then Again It Is A Race Car ,BY Design And Rides Like One.But For My Driving Style, Which Is All Street, Adding The 18 Speakers ,And The Springs, I Can Now Drive The Car On Longer Road Trips , No Tracking For Me, But Wanted That ACR.:dancingman:

[Mark1107]

Thank you for everyone's opinions. I appreciate it.


With the ring king event coming, plus the FCA 8/12/17 event plus our cars discontinued I will continue to sleep on it. (I got my name on the ring king poster, but fingers crossed...)

[1ststrike]

Gotta do what makes you happy. IF your not driving it then there is no reason to keep it. Some of the others have ideas on the ride that may make you happy with it as long as you like the looks better than your GTS. Enjoy those sun sets in your new home. Nothing like watching the sun going down over the ocean.

Enjoy!!!

[Bruce]

Or Do The Tractive Suspension, And Go With The Softer,More Street Friendly T/A Springs , I Did And Now I Truly Love The Car On The Street, And I Sold The Stock Shocks To Off Set The Cost Of The Tractive Set Up. So At A Cost Of 3 Grand , It Was The Right Move For Me.

I did the same on my Gen4 ACR, 600/800 pound springs on Motons transformed the car to be very streetable. I'd keep the ACR w/ softer springs and Tractive shocks and sell the GTS instead. I'm thinking of selling my TA and get one of those very last ACR's now.
Great view btw, is that around Crystal Cove???

[38D]

I feel it's one of the most atrocious street cars of all time. I can not imagine driving one on the street. I literally would rather drive anything other than my ACR-E except another ACR-E.

I drive mine on the street all the time. I find it perfectly fine, and mine is at track height and the dampers are set to the track settings. It all depends on what you like. It really not that different than a Cayman GT4 or a GT3 harshness wise.

For me, I'd sell the hellcat and GTS and keep the ACR. If you want a better ride, put in the tractive. But the ACR is a cooler more unique car.

[Mark1107]

2705027051 4th of July. I almost bought a 2006 Ford gt Gulf edition instead of the house but my wife threatened to divorce me.

[Mark1107]

27052 front yard of the 2 bedroom 1000 sf 1 bath crack house in a neighborhood that had tree hugging Prius lovers picketing my house with all of my gas burning cars. My neighbors hated us and my passion for cars. I'm so happy to have sold it and moved.

[dmann]

I think i know where your coming from. If you have moved on then sell it. There is nothing worse for me to have stuff around that i'm not making use of.

[Racingswh]

I drive mine on the street all the time. I find it perfectly fine, and mine is at track height and the dampers are set to the track settings. It all depends on what you like. It really not that different than a Cayman GT4 or a GT3 harshness wise.


What you think is fine and what I am willing to accept for a street car is very different.

Someone would have to pay me to drive mine regularly on the street. It only goes 3 places, garage, trailer, track, repeat. :)

[viperBase1]

I vote hold on to it (for now) and do all you can do to smooth out the ride. Tires and suspension etc..

I do feel your pain. SoCal streets absolutely suck and driving SoCal streets on track tires makes it even worse. (I started on old Toyos)

Scheming on ways to get myself invited over to your new pad. We could definitely start with a cruise like KB suggested.
Congrats, what a beautiful view.

[ViperDC]

But I have a feeling that these cars are going the way of the 05 06 Ford GT...I don't want to shoot myself in the foot either.

Lol, don't worry they aren't. If you want to sell it sell it.

[ACRSNK]

Isn't your ACR white? How come the ACR on top of the Hellcat looks black?

[Policy Limits]

Thank you everyone for the honest opinions and compliments. Just mulling it over. The tractive suspension sounds like an idea, but if I'm not going to make the effort to go to the track then I know I'm wasting my time. But I have a feeling that these cars are going the way of the 05 06 Ford GT...I don't want to shoot myself in the foot either.

Please keep the opinions coming. Thanks everyone.

Found this on FB today. They will be 1/4 mill soon. I think 1/2 mill within 10 years, hence the next Ford GT. Flame suit ....where art thou... :smilielol:

[One Viper Bite]

Isn't your ACR white? How come the ACR on top of the Hellcat looks black?

That's Marks old SRT. He had the ACR stripes on it.

[Murpowa]

Policy limits right on cue

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[Rand]

So here are my 2 cents: owning a car leads to expenses - insurance, maintenance, etc. The question you seem to be grappling with is will your car appreciate significantly in the next few years. If it were me and I really liked owning the car, would take it to car shows and gatherings on a frequent basis - keep it. If you are not that happy with driving it - sell it. The appreciation is not a certainty.
Having said that, it is a beautiful car and deserves to go to someone who will appreciate it for what it is. Good luck!

[Taximan1]

So here are my 2 cents: owning a car leads to expenses - insurance, maintenance, etc. The question you seem to be grappling with is will your car appreciate significantly in the next few years. If it were me and I really liked owning the car, would take it to car shows and gatherings on a frequent basis - keep it. If you are not that happy with driving it - sell it. The appreciation is not a certainty.
Having said that, it is a beautiful car and deserves to go to someone who will appreciate it for what it is. Good luck!

I think the majority of us who own Vipers, have done well enough financially in life where a cars value (assuming you own outright) is not going to make or break anything in our life... If that's not true, and value is keeping you up at night. You should probably sell now.. TODAY

That being said... IF you can keep something in your garage (that you can see, touch, drive, look at, whatever) knowing its worth what you paid OR more.... That is a darn GOOD feeling..

I have a DD Audi S5 with very low mileage.. Fantastic car.. TERRIBLE in resale value.. ... That car is worth 35% OF what I paid for it.. and its a 2008

to put that in perspective... That would be the equal to a 2008 Gen4 Coupe, (clean, no stories, with low miles) being worth 20-25 grand.. lol..

These Viper HAVE and will ALWAYS, hold their value well.. (clean 96 coupe still worth 70-75% of what it was new) Investment?? come on.... we all know better.

[BlueAdder]

If I was lucky enough to have 2 Vipers and a Hellcat, I would sell the ACR-E (assuming that I'm not going to track it)

Reason is that it's essentially a car made for the track and driving it in town or on the highway kind of defeats the purpose. I do drive my ACR-E to go to work sometimes, but it's pretty rare. I don't mind the harsh ride at all to be honest, I don't care about the lack of speakers either but I do track the car as much as I possibly can and that's where it is happy and so am I.
I used to have a RC51 and a GSX 750R a few years ago and after I started to race my 400cc bikes, I rarely rode the street bikes and rather than seeing them collect dust, I sold them. I could have kept them of course but there was no real point and I thought that someone would enjoy them more than I could at the time.

I realize that not everyone's ACR-E will ever see the track and to me it's a shame but people bought their ACR-E for their own reason and I'm not here to judge them. It's like keeping a Husky dog in an apartment in the middle of a city.

[texasram]

I think the majority of us who own Vipers, have done well enough financially in life where a cars value (assuming you own outright) is not going to make or break anything in our life... If that's not true, and value is keeping you up at night. You should probably sell now.. TODAY

That being said... IF you can keep something in your garage (that you can see, touch, drive, look at, whatever) knowing its worth what you paid OR more.... That is a darn GOOD feeling..

I have a DD Audi S5 with very low mileage.. Fantastic car.. TERRIBLE in resale value.. ... That car is worth 35% OF what I paid for it.. and its a 2008

to put that in perspective... That would be the equal to a 2008 Gen4 Coupe, (clean, no stories, with low miles) being worth 20-25 grand.. lol..

These Viper HAVE and will ALWAYS, hold their value well.. (clean 96 coupe still worth 70-75% of what it was new) Investment?? come on.... we all know better.
You're not taking into account that we may never see a new viper, thats the determining factor

[Policy Limits]

Yup. And ALL I've seen all day on social media is the closing of CAAP. It's automotive news in every auto outlet today.

[Mark1107]

That's Marks old SRT. He had the ACR stripes on it.

Thanks Rexious! What are you going to buy? Any thoughts yet? Dodge? Ferrari? Lamborghini?

[One Viper Bite]

Thanks Rexious! What are you going to buy? Any thoughts yet? Dodge? Ferrari? Lamborghini?

I'll text you Mark! Let's do SCS soon!

[Bruce H.]

I realize that not everyone's ACR-E will ever see the track and to me it's a shame but people bought their ACR-E for their own reason and I'm not here to judge them. It's like keeping a Husky dog in an apartment in the middle of a city.

I suspected tracking would be a very rare or never thing for most ACR-E buyers, especially those who didn't buy in 2016 when they came out. Many of the track rats bought the TA to track and then jumped into the ACR-E pretty much right away. So I'm thinking more of a popular collectible...and a great choice!

[Terminator02]

OP, you answered your question. It doesn't serve a purpose. You can go with upgrading suspension but then you will need to consider if you like driving the acr as much or more than your fully loaded gts and want to upgrade other parts of the cars interior and acoustics. All is possible but you have to ask if it's worth it. Doesn't seem like it since you don't need to track the car.

Regarding your worry of value skyrocketing I'm all for having our community supporting strong resale but I don't think it's likely to instantly appreciate; if anything after the panic buying dies down prices may drop a bit as you are definitely not the only person that is thinking of selling the ACRE as it's a true track destroyer and very purpose built...not for a casual street guy like me.

You have the dream home, great cars...even more than you can drive and it appears you want to streamline and feel the gts fits your new lifestyle. Sell and get money to invest and in X number of years if you see prices upticing, then liquidate that investment and purchase again.

But really, you don't need a car to uptic, so I would take value away as it's future speculation. Secondly, we all know that only a few super duper final final final editions will appreciate to 500k. So you will have to settle for a 10k premium above the lowly vipers under it😂

You have your setup. Don't over think it. Life's good.

[viperguy69]

Keep the ACR... Sell the Hellcat... and then take the ACR out of the GARAGE and make it SOCAL Lawn Art so when you look out over the ocean you will see both the beautiful scenery and that beautiful ACR! I mean how often does it rain in SOCAL?

If you need me to store it and track it for you, I would be more than happy to oblige you and tell you all about it in detailed emails or through video feeds, your option...:drive:...

If your using your car as an investment then you need to treat it like a stock... don't get emotionally attached and sometimes your gut instinct is the right way to go! If that doesn't work then flip a coin, heads it's the Hellcat and tails it's the ACR!

[LABrit]

Don't see the point in two same gen cars with the factors you have mentioned...sell the ACR if you get a good offer.

[IndyRon]

That's my preferred color combo. How much are you asking and do you have a pic of the window sticker with options?

[Scott_in_fl]

Having bought the exact same car new (I know you are the second owner and you have posted numerous times what you paid for it) and recently selling it, I can tell you don't expect any windfall for it now and lucky to break even after you factor in sales tax, maintenance and whatnot. My ACR-E had only 1700 miles on it not mention the 18 speaker upgrade, tow hook, full expel clear bra and tints. A perfect car. Advertised it nationally for a few weeks. Lots of interest but....very few reasonable offers. Everybody just wanted to steal it. I usually trade them in to avoid the private sale hassle but the trade in numbers even from the dealer I bought it from were laughable. It was really an amazing experience dealing with the basically lunatic public. It's a whole 'nother level of oddballs trying to sell a 100K+ car privately than a 20K Honda.

Had a guy come up all the way from Maryland and after an hour of inspection and test drive offer me 20K UNDER my asking price. I just looked at him and walked away laughing. Away he went. Several made appointments to se the car deposit in hand and never showed or called. That literally happened like four times. There are a lot of whacks out there. Eventually I got my price but only after sticking to my guns and absolutely refusing to go below a certain number. The guy that bought it came in 2K under asking after I moved down a little bit and I refused. He left and an hour later called back to buy. I bought my car new at invoice so I was lucky to recoup that but after factoring in the sales tax and other mods etc didn't make a dime. But considering that most used cars lose 15-20% driving off the lot I did "ok" and you should too.

The white, black and red color scheme is no doubt beautiful, but it is also probably the most common of all the center-band cars. There's one that's been sitting on CarGuru's for months. Another factor that took the thrill off of mine personally was not one, but four examples of the EXACT same car showed up here on Long Island. Kind of sucks to have such a rare car as an ACR-E (maybe a dozen that I know of here) and four are your exact same car. "Hey Jon I saw you at XXXX the other night" Um no.....not me lol.

The market is (was) red hot now to get a NEW one, there is no doubt. But used ones are a completely different story. IMO there will be lots of ACR-E's popping up in the next years as guys tire of them and want to move on. If you don't track it and after the "look a me driving around town in my race car" thrill wears off even though you think it won't.....it will. Special editions maybe will depreciate slower but they are still just another used car that was special to the original buyer for sure, not so much to the 2nd and 3rd. I miss having a Viper but not that particular one. A 570S should help with the feeling of loss.:)

Selling a used car privately is definitely an experience. I do it regularly and have by now learned that you can identify the legitimate buyers within 5 minutes of talking to them, and you'll know who is actually going to buy the car within 10 minutes. Give yourself plenty of time so to market the car, always stick to your price and, if necessary, move down in very small increments. Overall, you'll do far, far, far (did I say far???) better than trading it in.

Regarding your comment that there will be "lots of ACR-E's popping up in the next few years", I cannot see how that could possibly be the case when only a few hundred were ever made over 2 model years, many have gone into collections, others have been exported, and some will become destroyed. The numbers alone cannot support that position.

[Scott_in_fl]

OP, you answered your question. It doesn't serve a purpose. You can go with upgrading suspension but then you will need to consider if you like driving the acr as much or more than your fully loaded gts and want to upgrade other parts of the cars interior and acoustics. All is possible but you have to ask if it's worth it. Doesn't seem like it since you don't need to track the car.

Regarding your worry of value skyrocketing I'm all for having our community supporting strong resale but I don't think it's likely to instantly appreciate; if anything after the panic buying dies down prices may drop a bit as you are definitely not the only person that is thinking of selling the ACRE as it's a true track destroyer and very purpose built...not for a casual street guy like me.

You have the dream home, great cars...even more than you can drive and it appears you want to streamline and feel the gts fits your new lifestyle. Sell and get money to invest and in X number of years if you see prices upticing, then liquidate that investment and purchase again.

But really, you don't need a car to uptic, so I would take value away as it's future speculation. Secondly, we all know that only a few super duper final final final editions will appreciate to 500k. So you will have to settle for a 10k premium above the lowly vipers under it😂

You have your setup. Don't over think it. Life's good.

I like this post and agree that, if you're thinking about it, then the answer is easy -- get rid of the car. Although the ACR's have all the makings of a future collectible, this is not the best way to invest money. Find a piece of real estate that you can buy right, improve it and make the same (or better) return. I do think the cars will go up in value, but over what period of time? Plus, what good will it really serve you if the value of the car is high and you become worried about driving it? How many FGT's do you see out on the road?

[Policy Limits]

Regarding your comment that there will be "lots of ACR-E's popping up in the next few years", I cannot see how that could possibly be the case when only a few hundred were ever made over 2 model years, many have gone into collections, others have been exported, and some will become destroyed. The numbers alone cannot support that position.[/QUOTE]

Agree. And it's one thing to tire of a new car after a few seasons and sell with the thought that you can always order another one whenever you please. It's quite another thing when the plug is pulled and you know that it's impossible to order another. I've already seen only within months of production, 2017 ACR-E cars (plural) listed for tens of thousands of dollars over sticker by private owners. What will the future bring? Guess we'll see. It speaks volumes that the special editions sold out in days or hours from the day ordering opened. I had a feeling they would so I was certain to place my order right on 6/24. 7 months later and I'm still pretty excited about the car even though it's just a Dodge :)

[ACRucrazy]

Regarding your comment that there will be "lots of ACR-E's popping up in the next few years", I cannot see how that could possibly be the case when only a few hundred were ever made over 2 model years, many have gone into collections, others have been exported, and some will become destroyed. The numbers alone cannot support that position.

For context, according to IVR:

380 ACRs (including 1 of 1s) in 2016.
210 LE ACRs in 2017 + the 1 of 1s and regular ACRs.

I am curious to what the grand total for Gen V ACRs are. Gen IV total over 3 years was something around 635 IIRC with the 20 convertibles & 819 Gen II ACRs.

[SharpMan]

For context, according to IVR:

380 ACRs (including 1 of 1s) in 2016.
210 LE ACRs in 2017 + the 1 of 1s and regular ACRs.

I am curious to what the grand total for Gen V ACRs are. Gen IV total over 3 years was something around 635 IIRC with the 20 convertibles & 819 Gen II ACRs.

I'm guessing 700-800 GenV ACRs. They sold 380 the first year without the benefit of a full year of hype. I'm imagine they built every possible ACR they could in 2017 which would have been more than 2016.

[Policy Limits]

So a couple hundred SE cars is like three per state when you figure in the number exported or totaled. That's pretty exclusive.

[ViperSRT]

With 1 of 1 there are many more "special editions," just without the duplication.

[ViperSRT]

I'm guessing 700-800 GenV ACRs. They sold 380 the first year without the benefit of a full year of hype. I'm imagine they built every possible ACR they could in 2017 which would have been more than 2016.

Probably even more. May be close to 1/3 of all Gen 5. Not so rare (for a Viper).

[ViperJon]

Regarding your comment that there will be "lots of ACR-E's popping up in the next few years", I cannot see how that could possibly be the case when only a few hundred were ever made over 2 model years, many have gone into collections, others have been exported, and some will become destroyed. The numbers alone cannot support that position.

I am willing to bet that when the final numbers are in, a "few hundred" will be more like 1500. For a particular Viper model that's a lot.

[Policy Limits]

3,000 Ferrari made per year, 3,000 Lamborghini units, 40,000 porsches, 40,000 corvettes ...... don't be so dramatic. It's understood that it's not as rare as a Koenigsegg ..... but is there anything even close at this price point in terms of exclusivity? No way.

The grave has been dug. The snake is being laid to rest in just a few weeks. The tombstone is already manufactured and awaits it's final resting place. And deep down, you know the rest ...

[ViperDC]

3,000 Ferrari made per year, 3,000 Lamborghini units, 40,000 porsches, 40,000 corvettes ...... don't be so dramatic. It's understood that it's not as rare as a Koenigsegg ..... but is there anything even close at this price point in terms of exclusivity? No way.

The grave has been dug. The snake is being laid to rest in just a few weeks. The tombstone is already manufactured and awaits it's final resting place. And deep down, you know the rest ...

Lambos, Ferraris, Porsches and Corvettes also never get close to their MSRP again unless it's hyper-limited models so not sure what your point is. In Viper terms they have made a pretty large amount of ACRs. Also, since people never seem to get this point - all the cars you mentioned have a MUCH bigger following than the Viper.

[Policy Limits]

Agree. It's an unfair comparison. Those other said vehicles are still in production.

[ViperDC]

relax bud. go sit in that thing in your garage and make some race car noises

[Policy Limits]

relax bud. go sit in that thing in your garage and make some race car noises

Sounds like someone needs to relax indeed. Unlike the epic posers and wanna be's, I make my race car noises on the race track. Go sit on your porch and watch the tornadoes sweep Dorothy away Kansas boy. LOL

[Special Ed]

Probably even more. May be close to 1/3 of all Gen 5. Not so rare (for a Viper).

When I was at the plant 4 weeks ago, the production manager told us tha 80% of the production for 2017 was ACR's and they would build 850 cars this year. That is 700 ACR's. if the 350 number is correct for'16 there are over 1000 of these cars. Not that rare.

[Scott_in_fl]

1,000 is still extremely rare. Only about half of those will be driven (if that, and then that number will reduce each year), which basically means that you will never see one on the road.

But, I have to say that I love these threads because of the banter that they promote. It's great to see everyone take a position and fight for it :)

[Murpowa]

It's a lose-lose situation dealing with Policy Limits and his relentlessness on this subject



I've already seen only within months of production, 2017 ACR-E cars (plural) listed for tens of thousands of dollars over sticker by private owners. What will the future bring? Guess we'll see. It speaks volumes that the special editions sold out in days or hours from the day ordering opened. I had a feeling they would so I was certain to place my order right on 6/24. 7 months later and I'm still pretty excited about the car even though it's just a Dodge :)

Once again, owners can ASK whatever their heart desires. Hell Policy, you could put yours up for sale today for $300k. It doesn't mean there are buyers at those valuations.

Like you stated, it's just a Dodge right?

[ACRSNK]

When I was at the plant 4 weeks ago, the production manager told us tha 80% of the production for 2017 was ACR's and they would build 850 cars this year. That is 700 ACR's. if the 350 number is correct for'16 there are over 1000 of these cars. Not that rare.

Over 1000...not that rare...Lol.

[Boosted Motorsports]

Over 1000...not that rare...Lol.

Thank you!!! Finally someone who has one (mind you a TRUE limited edition) and can see it for what it is. Will take a long time for the herd of the GEN V ACRs to get depleted. Yes it is nice to own it from new of course but finding one second hand will not be a problem for awhile.

[Scott_in_fl]

^^^ You may have missed the "lol" on the end.

[Mark1107]

We have the ring king event coming up. We have the 8/12 event coming up. We have NVE3 in Vegas next year. I may hold on to it for a while but take the racing splitter off, adjust the suspension for full street and see how I like it.

Glenn and Stephanie you're always welcome to come over. Any viper owner my margaritas and BBQ is for sharing.

[Mark1107]

1,000 is still extremely rare. Only about half of those will be driven (if that, and then that number will reduce each year), which basically means that you will never see one on the road.

But, I have to say that I love these threads because of the banter that they promote. It's great to see everyone take a position and fight for it :)


1k is extremely rare. I bet next summer the ACR Es sell for a premium. Not a policy limits premium but maybe sticker or 5-10k over sticker.

[Special Ed]

Over 1000...not that rare...Lol.

In the context of Gen V production 1000 acr's represent about 28% of the total production. So no not that rare.

[Boosted Motorsports]

In the context of Gen V production 1000 acr's represent about 28% of the total production. So no not that rare.

Hell your TA might be more rare when all is said and done :lol2:

[Policy Limits]

EVERY viper is rare. Car shows & rallies aside, I've seen approximate 5 out in the wild in the past 1/4 century. This is inclusive of all five generations of the car.

[IndyRon]

EVERY viper is rare. Car shows & rallies aside, I've seen approximate 5 out in the wild in the past 1/4 century. This is inclusive of all five generations of the car.

The same could be said for DeLoreans and I don't think they are fetching 6 figs. Lol

[One Viper Bite]

EVERY viper is rare. Car shows & rallies aside, I've seen approximate 5 out in the wild in the past 1/4 century. This is inclusive of all five generations of the car.

Sounds like you live in the middle of bum-f*** nowhere.

[Special Ed]

EVERY viper is rare. Car shows & rallies aside, I've seen approximate 5 out in the wild in the past 1/4 century. This is inclusive of all five generations of the car.

You need to get out more. If you attended the VOA tail of the dragon event you would see 50 to 80, or more, actively prowling the mountain roads of TN and NC. This event happens every year.

[One Viper Bite]

You need to get out more. If you attended the VOA tail of the dragon event you would see 50 to 80, or more, actively prowling the mountain roads of TN and NC. This event happens every year.

LOL. I mean, don't get me wrong. The Viper is RARE.

But this guy is making it seem like they're like a Pagani Zonda Cinque. Even then, I've seen 2 of those in Los Angeles on multiple occasions and there are only about 15 of those in the world.

[Policy Limits]

You need to get out more. If you attended the VOA tail of the dragon event you would see 50 to 80, or more, actively prowling the mountain roads of TN and NC. This event happens every year.

U saw 50 vipers at a viper event? Interesting

[Scott_in_fl]

In South Florida you see Ferrari's and Lambos daily. Vipers in the wild are maybe once a year, if that (and frankly, about as often as something like a Pagani). They're just not popular here and there are no good nearby dealers to support them.

[Mark1107]

That's my preferred color combo. How much are you asking and do you have a pic of the window sticker with options?

I sent you a pm with details....

[ACRSNK]

U saw 50 vipers at a viper event? Interesting

I once saw 51 Vipers at a Viper event. Well...not at the same time...and I think maybe 40 of them weren't Vipers at all and it might have been more like 10 Vipers, but it sure did feel like 51 Vipers....

[bluesrt]

I cannot believe how far this thread has gotton

[ssmith71]

U saw 50 vipers at a viper event? Interesting

I believe this year there were 109 attending. The Viper parade in Gatlinburg was impressive!

[1HOTV10]

We have the ring king event coming up. We have the 8/12 event coming up. We have NVE3 in Vegas next year. I may hold on to it for a while but take the racing splitter off, adjust the suspension for full street and see how I like it.

Glenn and Stephanie you're always welcome to come over. Any viper owner my margaritas and BBQ is for sharing.

👍 I'll give you a call in August

[ViperDC]

In South Florida you see Ferrari's and Lambos daily. Vipers in the wild are maybe once a year, if that (and frankly, about as often as something like a Pagani).

Lol bruh...

[Boosted Motorsports]

We have the ring king event coming up. We have the 8/12 event coming up. We have NVE3 in Vegas next year. I may hold on to it for a while but take the racing splitter off, adjust the suspension for full street and see how I like it.

Glenn and Stephanie you're always welcome to come over. Any viper owner my margaritas and BBQ is for sharing.

Alright Mark lets make this happen! I'm not too far living in OC. Would love to take a ride in the ACR & Hellcat. Would be awesome to do a review on both cars if you are open to that as well! PM me!

[ViperDC]

Sounds like someone needs to relax indeed. Unlike the epic posers and wanna be's, I make my race car noises on the race track. Go sit on your porch and watch the tornadoes sweep Dorothy away Kansas boy. LOL

fact: you will make more posts talking about how your garage queen will be worth $250k sometime around 20-Never than miles you will actually drive on a race track. now go throw another coat of wax on that baby

BTW dont you live in jersey? state smack talk from a dude that lives in jersey? Lolllllll youre the best man. have a good weekend - should be a good one to drive it to the gas station and stand there for 3 hours taking pics and telling everyone how rare your car is.

[LABrit]

fact: you will make more posts talking about how your garage queen will be worth $250k sometime around 20-Never than miles you will actually drive on a race track. now go throw another coat of wax on that baby

BTW dont you live in jersey? state smack talk from a dude that lives in jersey? Lolllllll youre the best man. have a good weekend - should be a good one to drive it to the gas station and stand there for 3 hours taking pics and telling everyone how rare your car is.

Lol truth

[Policy Limits]

fact: you will make more posts talking about how your garage queen will be worth $250k sometime around 20-Never than miles you will actually drive on a race track. now go throw another coat of wax on that baby

BTW dont you live in jersey? state smack talk from a dude that lives in jersey? Lolllllll youre the best man. have a good weekend - should be a good one to drive it to the gas station and stand there for 3 hours taking pics and telling everyone how rare your car is.

I don't live in jersey. Post a pic of your trailer in Kansas. I'd say post a pic of your garage but we know you don't have one.

[Hemibob]

OMG stop already. Don't you people realize nothing is real on the Internet. Go do something. Look at me, I put my front tow hook on today. I'm going to go drive my car on Angeles crest Highway tomorrow, and Sunday put my rear tow hook on. So much better then getting into a pissing match. 27104
So much fun my car is upside down!

[Mark1107]

OMG stop already. Don't you people realize nothing is real on the Internet. Go do something. Look at me, I put my front tow hook on today. I'm going to go drive my car on Angeles crest Highway tomorrow, and Sunday put my rear tow hook on. So much better then getting into a pissing match. 27104
So much fun my car is upside down!



Lol. Be careful, LA County sheriff and highway patrol are out Saturday and Sunday!

[Hemibob]

Lol. Be careful, LA County sheriff and highway patrol are out Saturday and Sunday!

Oh I know. Sheriff gave me a ticket for no front plate a few weeks ago. That's why I have a tow hook/license plate holder on now!

[serpent]

fact: you will make more posts talking about how your garage queen will be worth $250k sometime around 20-Never than miles you will actually drive on a race track. now go throw another coat of wax on that baby

BTW dont you live in jersey? state smack talk from a dude that lives in jersey? Lolllllll youre the best man. have a good weekend - should be a good one to drive it to the gas station and stand there for 3 hours taking pics and telling everyone how rare your car is.
LOL, golden!

[Dave292]

Sounds like you live in the middle of bum-f*** nowhere.

That happens to be exactly where I live in Colorado. Haven't seen another Viper in 2 years!!!!!!! Now, on the other hand, you can't spit without hitting a Corvette!!!!!

[Policy Limits]

OMG stop already. Don't you people realize nothing is real on the Internet. Go do something. Look at me, I put my front tow hook on today. I'm going to go drive my car on Angeles crest Highway tomorrow, and Sunday put my rear tow hook on. So much better then getting into a pissing match. 27104
So much fun my car is upside down!

Haha. Agreed. I had my first oil change yesterday. Didn't trust the average Dodge dealer soooooo.....

[IndyRon]

Haha. Agreed. I had my first oil change yesterday. Didn't trust the average Dodge dealer soooooo.....

Damn dude, you have lifts and ramps and Maseratis, etc and you can't do an oil change on your future million dollar baby?

[ViperSRT]

Damn dude, you have lifts and ramps and Maseratis, etc and you can't do an oil change on your future million dollar baby?

I'm more surprised that he needed an oil change. Parked cars gain no miles ...

[Policy Limits]

It's price v. value. If you enjoy doing your own oil changes, go for it. It's totally worth a few hundred bucks to have a grease monkey drain out that break in factory crapola and replace with a quality synthetic imo. Who said it was a parked car? Parked cars sit and break. I tracked my first one. I drive this one on public streets...for now.

[ViperSRT]

I hope your mechanic does not read the forum pages. Respect, or lack thereof, is a double edge sword.

Happy to hear you are driving it. Much better than sitting behind a keyboard and watching the values increase, or wishing it so.

[Policy Limits]

Come on, I just like stirring the pot. Even the non value threads turn into value controversy & i find it hysterical. With a name like "policy limits" do u really think that I need to flip a car to make such short change? Have another.

[theviper]

It's price v. value. If you enjoy doing your own oil changes, go for it. It's totally worth a few hundred bucks to have a grease monkey drain out that break in factory crapola and replace with a quality synthetic imo.

I agree about letting someone else do the oil changes. Totally not worth doing it ourselves for many of us. But spending a few hundred dollars for an oil change for a Viper? You are a great customer! I have many causes that you can donate your money to that are far more important than cars and oil changes (since there seems to be a lot of money that you are okay parting with).

[Policy Limits]

I tip well. :) what a beautiful day on the boat in Newport! Enjoy your day!

[venom700]

Keep it, the price worldwide has increased specially in our region as it reached 10 to 15% more than dealer price since they stop importing

[Mark1107]

Rexius! You SOB! How did you get the 2017 one of one to paint your car Stryker Red? Congratulations! 27175

Gorgeous car!