Watch that VOA Membership Counter spin!

[daytonprowler]

A few hours ago we started back loading all the SoCal VOA members. Watch the VOA Membership Counter on the Home Page spin, spin, spin!

www.driveviper.com

[J TNT]

That's awesome ! :)

[City]

:witless:Pretty cool (and satisfying). Just like the VCA who claim to be "quite viable" via their "steady flow" of 2014 membership renewals. (yea, I'm sorry for that - I'll just focus on our membership counter)

[plumcrazy]

cool

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plus there are no associate members yet correct ?

[FLATOUT]

Very nice.

[daytonprowler]

:witless:Pretty cool (and satisfying). Just like the VCA who claim to be "quite viable" via their "steady flow" of 2014 membership renewals. (yea, I'm sorry for that - I'll just focus on our membership counter)

We have been getting calls from Viper owners who joined the VCA from September 2013 on. I had one today, a new member that joined in September. Except that the VCA did not tell her that the region she joined had already left the VCA.

So the VCA still took her money for a region that did not and still does not exist. Because of the mass exit from the VCA, the VCA locked out all the Regional Presidents from their membership portal. The Regional Presidents were not able to download their membership lists, and therefore were not able to contact any of their new members.

The Viper owners that have been effected by this are very upset at the VCA, and they are calling their credit card companies. What a shame.

It may take a little time with their cc companies to get their money refunded, so the VOA will keep these people on our email list so they are kept up to date with what is going on in the VOA regionally and nationally.

[City]

But they turned over a new leaf!

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

But they turned over a new leaf !

Poison Ivy leaf? Turn it over: Still poisonous on both sides.......

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

A few hours ago we started back loading all the SoCal VOA members. Watch the VOA Membership Counter on the Home Page spin, spin, spin!

You must have a LOT of members to back-load? The counter did not change much when you announced the last/newest Regional votes to join VOA...Georgia, St Louis, SoCal, More...... I began watching only then, but not much # impact as I expected. ??

Are you saying that IF an owner joined VC in Sept onward, they wont join VOA? Or wont join til after a VC refund-chargeback? I suspected a LOT of dually memberships year # 1. [Like betting on Red and Black at the roulette wheel...... bases covered.] And many callers here boast that they joined both clubs to ensure the best possible discounts..... I don't think $115 matters to a Viper owner as much as some think.....

[daytonprowler]

We just got the SoCal list this afternoon. They had collected everything except the members' vin numbers. Glenn and Stephanie have been contacting all their members and collecting the serial numbers for the last few weeks. Can't put the members into the system without the serial numbers.

[daytonprowler]

Are you saying that IF an owner joined VC in Sept onward, they wont join VOA? Or wont join til after a VC refund-chargeback? I suspected a LOT of dually memberships year # 1. [Like betting on Red and Black at the roulette wheel...... bases covered.] And many callers here boast that they joined both clubs to ensure the best possible discounts..... I don't think $115 matters to a Viper owner as much as some think.....

Most of the people affected by what is mentioned a above will not join until they get their money back. A new member joins a club that is not there.... I think I would be a little hesitant about joining another one until I got my money back.

[Anonymous]

Cracking 1400, i smell rotting flesh of an old dying club!

[daytonprowler]

1400!!!

[VYPR BYT]

But they turned over a new leaf!
Turn a leaf... Burn a bridge
ya mean there's a difference?

[Fatboy 18]

I'll never understand why folks need to trash other Viper owners.

If someone was trying to decide whether to join either club they certainly wouldn't feel welcome by what they see on the forums.

^^^
THIS!

Lets keep it all Positive people :)

[Sybil TF]

Poison Ivy leaf? Turn it over: Still poisonous on both sides.......:lol2:

[City]

The bottom line is the overall Viper community has lost a LOT of paid members due to the actions of fellow Viper owners on both "sides." Considering that a large number of VCA members are members in both clubs the net loss in all this has to be pushing 40%, probably more.


I'll never understand why folks need to trash other Viper owners.

If someone was trying to decide whether to join either club they certainly wouldn't feel welcome by what they see on the forums.

^^^
THIS!

Lets keep it all Positive people :)
I couldn't agree more and I'm doing my best (which is seldom good enough) to take the high road. However, how can we ignore the injustice that fellow owners (especially new owners) are confronting when they are deliberately mislead. I would feel much better with the "40%" sitting tight for a bit and enjoying their newly founded VOA region until they can make an informed decision, rather than ignoring the ongoing coercion of promoting Viper owners to join a non-existing region of the VCA.

In all honesty, where exactly is the high road? It's pretty foggy up here.

[ViperTony]

1404? More coming right? I can picture Randall sitting at his keyboard feverishly typing in VINs to bump up the counter. :p

[City]

My take is this whole mess has been created at the national level by the leadership of the VXA. You can make great points for why one VXA club is more/less responsible than the other but ultimately, both leadership groups contributed in a substantial way to disrupting the experiences of the average Viper owner/club member.

I'd like someone to articulate how the Viper Owner experience at the regional level was impacted in any significant way before the national shenanigans spilled over into the regions? The "high road" here can and should be taken by the regional clubs. I'd suggest clubs affiliate with BOTH national clubs and keep their membership united as Viper Owners. There is no reason why regional members should need to chose which Viper Club to belong to. In this way, all regional Viper owners can participate fully with fellow Viper owners in their region without regard to which national your dues go to or which magazine you get (or both). The dues would still flow into the regional clubs and the members would have a more sizable cash balance to use for member benefits. Let the national situation sort itself out independently and stop the madness at the local level.

The only thing standing in the way of something like this is egos.

Sorry Dirk, but based on this post, your information base is SO severely lacking that it makes your opinion naive at best (and valueless at worst). I mean no offense whatsoever, but to respond to your request for "articulation" would essentially not only take dozens of pages of evidence and explanation, but would serve to do exactly what most are complaining about in this thread; stay the high road.

Anyway, the actual membership numbers and regions are speaking for themselves.

[ViperTony]

I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[City]

I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
That may have been your most humorous post ever.

[daytonprowler]

1404? More coming right? I can picture Randall sitting at his keyboard feverishly typing in VINs to bump up the counter. :p

Bridgett is putting those in. She started late yesterday afternoon. I called her this morning and she was going to start on them again this afternoon.

[SmoknTires]

As I read this, it reminds me. I got out of an executive leadership meeting very recently that felt a lot like this - with a client I had a project that had steering committees, design teams, etc... things get rehashed, people with strong opinions will say they know better, etc... But the interesting pattern is that it repeats it self. It's a part of large group dynamics. Things always seem easy to rehash in hindsight and without all the information. There's also a lot that gets thrown out there, but isn't as easy as it seems - same goes here.

Dirk with all respect, there is a lot to this involving lots of people over a long period of time. I know things always seem simpler on the outside, but for those who have had such an exhaustive journey (including members), it's not a wound I suggest reopening. Because as you do, you will find many who then then criticize you back and defend - and it just causes strife. Let's enjoy what we have here, support it, and root for it.

One of the things that is so hard to do within a current group/business/club is to change culture. But when starting fresh, it's one of the things that actually comes a lot easier. Let the past be in the past. As much as I would love to get into all these details, that time is done.

[SmoknTires]

Dirk, that answer is simple. People can join whatever clubs they want, it's always been that way. now, having a region associate with a national entity is actually for the reason of not splitting up the clubs - It's to bring people together in smaller groups and then roll them up through a national entity so they can get their benefits. The suggestion you made regarding people all simply joining both clubs isn't viable for a lot of people - doubles the cost and the question of "why" comes to mind. It's not needed. The purpose of a national entity is to provide insurance, a professional front end (call center, website, etc..), magazine, processes, etc... and be the glue that keeps regions together and running similarly and in the same direction. It also provides a single unified voice to the manufacturer, and large groups always have a strong voice and command more attention so it's got those benefits too.

The interesting thing about the Viper clubs, past and present, is that they are so far beyond what most other clubs are. For such a limited run car we do some pretty amazing things and have a pretty evolved operation. This is because groups have banded together and under a national entity then focus their strength.

So all Viper owners can be recognized, but in simple form for the other benefits to happen, they need to pay membership dues and actually be a member. Simple as that. If you're suggesting they join another club and then we still provide some services, it's not possible and also has legal implications.

[Brian GTS]

Wow, 40 additional members today than yesterday! :)

[Black Adder]

Does anyone have a feel for what is "more than 50%" based on last year's membership numbers. At least we could then say in our marketing that we represent the largest group of members. That may help new members make an informed decision.

[big-n-italian]

look at that thing SPIN! reminds me of re-fueling my viper with premium on a hot summer day!

LOL

[Viper Girl]

I don't know about the 50% of last years membership... I think we are drawing more to the forums than ever before... Maybe people are watching, reading and maybe not signing up yet... That's yet to be seen.

here's the proof I offer to the traffic...

Back in 2011 I made a Viper owners map, I posted it a couple of times on the other forum... Had what I thought was a very significant number of clicks... From 2011 to a week ago the visits to the map with the link unpublished on Google...
Were up to 15,4XX from the old site... That number took 3 years to reach.

Then 1 week ago, Albert from SoCal started a thread here with the link to the map I started... I just checked the numbers... That map has had 27,621 views

In one week here... the clicks on that map have almost equaled what it took 3 years to reach from the old forum!

I think that is incredible

[RedTanRT/10]

I don't think $115 matters to a Viper owner as much as some think.....

Jon, intellectually I agree! But in practice, looking at the boards, I'm not sure, "Jon do you have some used floor mats for sale"??

Thanks for the car cover, hoping to open the box sometime this year. Will reach out regarding team teach Hans shoulder belts, best wishes, Mike

[RedTanRT/10]

A few hours ago we started back loading all the SoCal VOA members. Watch the VOA Membership Counter on the Home Page spin, spin, spin!

www.driveviper.com


Randall, I got my member number etc., a couple of days ago. Are you going to switch current enthusiasts like me to members or is that something I need to do? If so, how?? thanks, Mike

[VYPR BYT]

Hit 1400 just yesterday...

1439 right now!

2905

[1HOTV10]

Randall, I got my member number etc., a couple of days ago. Are you going to switch current enthusiasts like me to members or is that something I need to do? If so, how?? thanks, Mike Mike. Looks like it's a done deal. Welcome! BTW digging your killer detail job on the ACR. I checked out the video yesterday. Another movie star in Cali. Glenn. ;)

[RedTanRT/10]

Thanks Glenn, Randall let me know that Kala got me all set, thanks Randall and Kala!!

[Viper Girl]

Hi Mike,

Tonight the system will reset and it should populate with the club name. I'll check it for you in the morning to make sure it worked...
As long as you logged into the membership portal, and sync'd your account... the member designation will show up correctly.

I'll check to morrow just to be sure.

[big-n-italian]

as of right now - 16 away from 1500!!

[Black Adder]

The last mag from the other guys listed all the Venom members for 2013, it was approx 1450 names

[VYPR BYT]

The last mag from the other guys listed all the Venom members for 2013, it was approx 1450 names

well I account for one of those :cool: lol

[Fatboy 18]

And me! LOL, Not this year though ;)

[Black Adder]

Same for me, no more Venom, Mamba all the way !!

[big-n-italian]

The last mag from the other guys listed all the Venom members for 2013, it was approx 1450 names

was it just me, or did anyone else find it odd that they printed that list in feb of 2014, fourteen months after the 2013 renewal. ????

[Viper Girl]

ouch, why would you list 2013??? in 2014??? am I missing something in this equation?


or is this just mercury in retrograde?

retrograde is important info on Planet Cali... just sayin

[Fatboy 18]

Could be they were just filling pages up in the Magazine due to lack of material? They also said all magazines had been sent out.
Well I don't know of anyone in the UK that has received anything! Never mind move along, nothing to see here :)


Update

Shock Horror! One UK member just got a magazine!

[Rand1993]

Got my magazines yesterday. I was on their list. I won't be on the 2014 list.

[V1P3R]

I guess when you are working from the backside and after the fact, the "better late than never" mantra must seem logical.

Just a thought. And to keep it positive....I WAS IN THE VIPER MAGAZINE!!!!

[ViperTony]

There's more information about the mag fiasco on the Alley. But getting back to the counter 1,486 :dancingman:

[big-n-italian]

it looked very odd with both magazines not containing any regional news. but hey, i guess that happens when you dont have any regions anymore.

[daytonprowler]

We are at 1491. Lets hit that 1500 mark!

[VYPR BYT]

We are at 1491. Lets hit that 1500 mark!

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l514/VYPR_BYT_94/1510members_zpsec826703.png (http://s1121.photobucket.com/user/VYPR_BYT_94/media/1510members_zpsec826703.png.html)

[Fatboy 18]

Cool :cool:

[J TNT]

2k looks to be within reach this year ! :)