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Angleiron
05-18-2017, 06:23 AM
Just got back after spending 3 days at Boundarant tracking the GT TA 2.0's that they have (they will all will be gone in 2 weeks). Until you put your Viper on a track, and exploit the capabilities of these cars you will never know just how much the Viper truly is a street legal race car. People say these cars will "bite you", and that may be true until you understand the dynamics and capabilities that these cars have...and then it is like Holy Shit!

The instructors praised the Viper up and down, and when I asked about reliability I was told only 1 shock ever had to be replaced...and that was it as far as problems. The car I drove had 12,000 and something miles but you can bet they were hard and hot miles, and it never missed a beat. What you can do with these cars once you understand/learn how to drive them is insane. The first 2 days I was admittedly just taking it easy with the car...not because I was afraid...I wanted to learn how to drive first (notice I didn't mention the Viper as learning to drive goes for any car). You have to learn about weight transfer, braking, trail braking, over/under steer, developing the vision, and all of the cool stuff that goes along with it.

I had a great instructor, but on the last day he waived me into the pits and asked me what my problem was because I wasn't pushing myself and exploiting the full capabilities of the car? He got in the drivers seat, put me in the passenger seat...and he demonstrated what the car could do and he wanted me to push it. He then had me switch seats with him, and it was my turn. Like I said before...I was there to learn and to apply the concepts with the car without doing something stupid...but he told me it was time to have fun and push it. And push it I did!

I hit every line at the same speeds he did, and after a few laps of doing that he just looked at me smiling and asked why wasn't I doing this all along? That car at speed is like it is on rails, and it does everything you want it to as long as you know what you want it to do. The brakes are incredible, and this car was built for the track. If the 2.0's I was running was this much fun I can only imagine the fun of driving an ACR at speed. The car was predictable once you understand the car dynamics...and yes you can get bit but it is not because of the car...it is because you did something wrong and the car just reacted to your mistake.

I was initially skeptical of doing the Viper 3-day course...but man am I glad I did. It is a shame that these cars will no longer be there as to get behind the wheel in one on a track and drive these cars the way they should be driven was so much fun. If you never have the opportunity to push a Viper on a track you will never know what these cars are capable of. Since this was my first time, and it happened to be a Viper I have no other comparisons as far as other cars...but when every instructor says that they are going to miss the Viper that has to tell you something.

Purple Haze
05-18-2017, 07:20 AM
Nice story thanks...Yes we will all miss the Viper. Until it returns???

ViperGeorge
05-18-2017, 09:13 AM
What are they going to do with all the TAs they have? And the ACRs?

Stealth78
05-18-2017, 10:21 AM
What are they going to do with all the TAs they have? And the ACRs?

I would assume an auction??? Now how to find out when that will be is key!

One Viper Bite
05-18-2017, 11:43 AM
Wow, didn't know they'd be getting rid of them so soon. I was hoping to make it out there this summer. Why are they getting rid of them and what will be replacing them?

Canadian venom
05-18-2017, 11:52 AM
I'll be there next week with my friend SilverT8, can't wait...:bth_smiley_formula1

Vipes
05-18-2017, 12:14 PM
Awesome post! I would have fired him the second he asked what my problem was. We are paying them to have fun and up the ante as we feel comfortable.

dmann
05-18-2017, 12:19 PM
thanks for sharing, thats another alternative to getting a private coach.

Dman
05-18-2017, 02:28 PM
What are they moving to as the next set of vehicles? It is amazing they used vipers for such a short stint.

BlueAdder
05-18-2017, 02:42 PM
What are they moving to as the next set of vehicles? It is amazing they used vipers for such a short stint.

They have a stable of Fiats... A bunch of Abarth and a bunch of 124 Spider.
They still have all the Challengers and Chargers. I would assume that they'll get rid of the GP course and replace it with something for the 124.
Unless they get a bunch of Challenger TA 392, which is also possible.

I'm glad I went last year to be honest. Next school will be the Ford Racing school but I don't know when, hopefully this year.

Very nice post. I'm glad that you enjoyed yourself. Seems like you didn't do the 4 day one and in my opinion, you missed out because somehow, the little Formula Mazda are a hoot! I loved that 4th day. The Viper is physical to drive but those tiny things are even worse :D

Bill Pemberton
05-18-2017, 03:18 PM
The Ford Racing School is fantastic , and they have quite a few Pro Viper Pilots there that instruct. Great track and perfect to truly test the limits of your racecraft , without the fear of concrete walls , trees, etc. , if a little error is made.

Smokin
05-18-2017, 09:14 PM
I'll be there next week with my friend SilverT8, can't wait...:bth_smiley_formula1

I'll be there as well thurs -sun

Snorman
05-18-2017, 09:35 PM
Awesome post! I would have fired him the second he asked what my problem was. We are paying them to have fun and up the ante as we feel comfortable.I did the 4-day course at Bondurant 4 or 5 years ago. I'm sure that the instructor wasn't being disrespectful. Those guys have it down pretty well and the group they had when I was there were all great guys. Sounds like he was just being a little motivational.
S.

Canadian venom
05-19-2017, 04:23 AM
I'll be there as well thurs -sun

We'll be there monday-thursday...

Bruce H.
05-19-2017, 04:41 AM
Glad you had the opportunity to probe the limits of the car. It's a shame that many owners will really never experience the car's full performance capabilities. Thanks for sharing!

Track Pack
05-20-2017, 07:41 AM
Were you able to drive / compare a base SRT vs TA2 to tell the difference?

Boba Fett
05-20-2017, 12:51 PM
I did the 4-day course at Bondurant 4 or 5 years ago. I'm sure that the instructor wasn't being disrespectful. Those guys have it down pretty well and the group they had when I was there were all great guys. Sounds like he was just being a little motivational.
S.

yea, I agree here...did the 4 day school and it was nothing short of awesome....they want to see you improve there and was prob just trying to give a friendly push

Angleiron
05-22-2017, 09:01 AM
He was being motivational and busting my balls a little for not taking advantage of the capabilities of the car. To be honest I was just being a little too careful because I was more into applying what I was shown (as I sucked at the heal/toe downshift...and kinda still do :-). Not once was anyone demeaning in anyway, and because this was my first time doing a HPD class I was just being a little laid back at first. Here is what happened in my case.

1st Day - A little class talk, and then a ride in a van full of people that will make you wonder how in the _uck did they pull that off? Imagine a big Dodge van doing cones, and turns at high speed around a course. Just goes to show that it is the driver as much as the vehicle because it was crazy. Then you jump right into a Viper and start learning about heal/toe shifts, and using the ABS to help you versus just stopping straight on (they say that ABS stands for "Allows Braking and Steering"...and it does). Do some 65 mph ABS lock ups while braking around and through limited spots with cones. Then they take you to a small'ish oval and you learn to trail brake and follow lines.

Day 2 - You are in the car going over stuff from day 1, and then you head to the track. The track is then opened up to start incorporating everything from Day 1...more so to learn how to pick the nest lines and apexes. Then you do some SCCA stuff as in doing a race start and then recovery start...2 across and then in single line. 90% of the day was in the car.

Day 3 - The whole track is opened up, and you are out there to incorporate everything you have been shown and taught. This is where they want you to make it all work together and push yourself so you learn even more. I went from staying consistent while out there and not being in anyone's way (so they would not have to pass me) to actually being able to chase people down and being waved by to pass. It's all about being smooth and having the vision to look far ahead instead of just looking at what is in front of the car.

Due to a mix up I missed out on the Mazda open air cars...but being able to drive the Viper was well worth the class. It is kinda cool to be able to drive a car on the track that you also own as it lets you know what your car is capable of. One instructor said that it shouldn't be about the model/type of the car as that does not matter much...and he was right...but it was still cool just to be able to see what a Viper can do.

As for what happens to the cars after they are gone? I asked, and they all go back to Dodge...and they thought that they would be auctioned off.

MoparJohn
05-22-2017, 10:14 AM
I have been in touch with Bondurant for the past several months on the status of the cars as well as what the future holds. The fleet of TA's will all be going back to Dodge to be cleaned up / certified and then since they are GTC cars they will be distributed to some dealers to purchase and you can have a "Bondurant" edition Viper. Bondurant will most likely be buying out some of the ACR's they have and continue using them for advanced schools. The 4 Day course will continue with a variety of cars. Hellcats, 392's, 124's. There have been some rumors that FCA will continue to bring in other brands to the school such as Alfa & Maserati.

ViperDC
05-23-2017, 12:59 PM
Why are they already retiring their Vipers? Going to be tough to replace those for something int he "top rung" class of the driving school. A 4k pound Hellcat isn't the same.

MoparJohn
05-23-2017, 01:44 PM
Because production is ending on the Viper FCA is mandating that only "in production" cars will run at "the official SRT racing school" Bondurant has hinted at a new track car with Viper like performance coming from the FCA stable in the next year or two.

EZ 2B Green
05-24-2017, 09:25 PM
The Vipers live on at Bondurant (at least a little longer). I just got the last 2 slots in mid July. There are some single slots available on other dates if anyone wants to use their discount and get to train in the Vipers before they are returned to Dodge.