TT ACR vs built turbo Supra vs built Mustang

[Junkie]

My TT ACR built by Nth Moto, stock motor car. Supra is a notoriously fast local guy, good driver and good working combo on 15's. Boss is a built motor, Whipple, big nitrous kit, 15's, etc...

I'm VERY happy with how it went, I rolled the ACR out on 19" R888 and on Kroger Ethanol fuel. The other cars are ironed out and what I would consider "fast" cars. The fact that I can drive this thing across country comfortably with no compromises and still do stuff like this, is amazing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0JRMBGrab0

[serpent]

Damn good races, coming from the mustang scene, i have no idea why people still stick with superchargers especially when doing roll racing.

I think there are more turbo coyotes running faster times than blown coyotes.

[SharpMan]

The flames lighting up the Mustang was pretty wild!

[Space Truckin]

The flames lighting up the Mustang was pretty wild but you are going to fuck up your life posting street racing vids for the public to see.

^^^Here we go^^^.... :drive: :United_States:

[pdv25]

^^^Here we go^^^.... :drive: :United_States:


You DA man Will.

I got a ride in the ACR and that thing hauls ass!!

But yes you shouldn't post race videos. I would never do such a thing. ;)

[ACR]

Mexico looks a lot like the US these days

[biturboamg]

That's my old Boss LS. I was first owner and sold it to current owner and it left here making 730whp with a roush blower and a 75 wet shot. Clean car and new owner is super cool guy and really built that car into a beast.

[AngelSpeedFreak]

Damn your car is magnificent Will. I love that you are putting the car to work like it was made to do. Viper is a racecar, it is meant to be raced.

[1.8t]

Great races!

[Jack B]

Does the car have traction control, if not, how do the R888's hook. That is a very nice package.


My TT ACR built by Nth Moto, stock motor car. Supra is a notoriously fast local guy, good driver and good working combo on 15's. Boss is a built motor, Whipple, big nitrous kit, 15's, etc...

I'm VERY happy with how it went, I rolled the ACR out on 19" R888 and on Kroger Ethanol fuel. The other cars are ironed out and what I would consider "fast" cars. The fact that I can drive this thing across country comfortably with no compromises and still do stuff like this, is amazing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0JRMBGrab0

[Zach]

I can attest to how well the car hooks, I got a ride in it. Absolutely phenomenal for a 19 inch tire, blew me away.

[Junkie]

Does the car have traction control, if not, how do the R888's hook. That is a very nice package.

It does, but it's not being used in this video. You can tell when it turns on, that's how I know when I need tires.

The R888 is actually shocking, the amount of traction this car achieves is crazy man.

[esm_viper]

Bad ass! And the flame thrower anti-lag is priceless!

Are you ever going to take that monster to Austin for a track day?

[Junkie]

If the timing is right, of course. But this video shows exactly what I wanted out of the car

[slowhatch]

Does the car have traction control, if not, how do the R888's hook. That is a very nice package.

I'm sure the aero doesn't hurt.

[slowhatch]

That car is so f'ng nasty.

One day.

[Rapidrezults]

2:08 is sick as F*%&. Lighting up the nightscape with that racecar beast is just priceless. Great choice on the build.

[Snakebit10]

Sick TT Snake. Those are some faaast cars. All seem to be in very close range speed-wise.

[ACRSNK]

Man those flames!!! Car is sick!

[IndyRon]

Just nasty! Between the anti lag flames and road presence and look and performance....nothing short of a P1 or 918 even compares.

[7TH_SIGN]

Will, absolutely gorgeous. Can't beat a reliable 1000+whp street car you can beat on and not have to worry about things breaking.

[sadil]

How do we know its not going to break tho? Somethings gotta give if your at double the amount of HP on a stock engine.

Can you provide details on your build? Nh Moto didn't touch anything inside the engine? Just added a turbo kit?

[Junkie]

How do we know its not going to break tho? Somethings gotta give if your at double the amount of HP on a stock engine.

Can you provide details on your build? Nh Moto didn't touch anything inside the engine? Just added a turbo kit?

100% factory long block, stock bearings and all

[sadil]

Really interested in keeping up with your engines progress. Doing any oil samples? Testament to the strength of this awesome engine and Nth Moto's engineering. How many miles do you have on the build?

[slowhatch]

How do we know its not going to break tho? Somethings gotta give if your at double the amount of HP on a stock engine.

Can you provide details on your build? Nh Moto didn't touch anything inside the engine? Just added a turbo kit?

Fully forged rotating assembly from the factory, the big 3 have been doing turn key 1200whp setups for quite some time without issue. Stock longblock has been seen to take up to 1400whp+ before letting go.

[Junkie]

Really interested in keeping up with your engines progress. Doing any oil samples? Testament to the strength of this awesome engine and Nth Moto's engineering. How many miles do you have on the build?

2200 miles on the turbo setup so far!

[ZeeViper]

Ok...flame suit on (and I know you can hit me with flames ;) ) and I really love the Nth moto build quality and attention to detail, but it kinda seems like these setups should be faster than they are on the streets? Or am I just an idiot?? I would have though those setups with the weight they are sporting would have gotten worked pretty hard on all attempts.

Just curious really, not trying to start any shit.

Dane

[Crash]

Ok...flame suit on (and I know you can hit me with flames ;) ) and I really love the Nth moto build quality and attention to detail, but it kinda seems like these setups should be faster than they are on the streets? Or am I just an idiot?? I would have though those setups with the weight they are sporting would have gotten worked pretty hard on all attempts.

Just curious really, not trying to start any shit.

Dane

Problem is the numbers posted are guesses at best. Will's car is the only one with somewhat accurate numbers listed.

[Junkie]

Ok...flame suit on (and I know you can hit me with flames ;) ) and I really love the Nth moto build quality and attention to detail, but it kinda seems like these setups should be faster than they are on the streets? Or am I just an idiot?? I would have though those setups with the weight they are sporting would have gotten worked pretty hard on all attempts.

Just curious really, not trying to start any shit.

Dane

Both the other cars I raced have ran 8's at 160+.... I stayed right with them/in front of them on several races, that seems VERY fast to me for a car with 2000lbs of down force and a stock motor.

What would you like the outcome to be? Honestly, that wasn't a jab just a question.

[ZeeViper]

Wow, 8's is ripping.

I thought you would have yanked them easily. With the turbos making tons of torque I didn't think the aero would have come into play.

Knowing the Supra was 1000whp and its power band being nothing like the viper (8.4l vs 3.0l) and its weight I was expecting a blow out. I am really trying to treat lightly. I had a 240sx with a 2jz @18psi (with the manual 6spd) so I'm familiar with the power delivery. The viper is on a whole other level as far as far powerband, coupled with tt that thing has to be such a blast.

Above all SICK CAR. :)

[Vipes]

Awesome runs! Your car is crazy fast. It would be cool to go against a stock viper also to put it into perspective.

[Junkie]

Wow, 8's is ripping.

I thought you would have yanked them easily. With the turbos making tons of torque I didn't think the aero would have come into play.

Knowing the Supra was 1000whp and its power band being nothing like the viper (8.4l vs 3.0l) and its weight I was expecting a blow out. I am really trying to treat lightly. I had a 240sx with a 2jz @18psi (with the manual 6spd) so I'm familiar with the power delivery. The viper is on a whole other level as far as far powerband, coupled with tt that thing has to be such a blast.

Above all SICK CAR. :)

MPH is what wins roll races, the lack of torque is a common misconception with Supras imo. I've built 4 of those cars, all of which have made 1200-2000hp, its VERY hard to out run a properly setup Supra. I won't list the power of the car listed, because he's a friend. But I had a very similar combo that made 1250+whp/1000+wtq. With those cars you are capable of making 1000+ at 4k rpms and you don't have to shift until 9k rpms, thats a GIANT power band. Thats why Supras have always done so well in competition against other cars, its a simple power band combination.

Aero is a much bigger factor than torque Imo, torque would matter if we were racing off idle but with everyone getting a good hit in the power band it really isn't a giant ordeal.

As far as weight goes, the Supra is 3400lbs and my car is 3600lbs, so that also goes to the Supra win column. I'm honestly incredibly impressed that my car runs very even with him. I thought I was going to get driven away from in high gear very badly which wasn't the case at all.

[Snakebit10]

I'm surprised any one would have a problem with a Supra running with a TT Viper. They must not have been around the last 20+ years hehe. At one point it was the undisputed king of highway pulls. Just a nasty package with 20+ years of aftermarket R&D under its belt. Supra's will never be irrelevant when it comes to contests of acceleration. So basically this TT ACR is an 8 sec capable car based on its performance against these two monsters. Can't wait to see some measured tests with the TT snake like 1/4, 1/2 mile etc. Love the Nth setup.

[7TH_SIGN]

Don't sleep on the cars the ACR went up against. Those are extremely fast setups. My last Supra was an 8 second 1/4 mile car and on the streets there wasn't much that could hang with it. Having owned five Supras now I can tell you off a highway roll a built Supra can be tough to beat. The mix of powerband and high rpms make it a monster up top. "Lack of torque and turbo lag" with the Supra has always been over exaggerated in my opinion.

[Vipes]

I second the Supra comments. I usually had to find a liter bike to have a good race in my Supra.

[socal]

If I'm not mistaken, the viper is the only reliable 8 second stock long block vehicle in the history of cars. That's a pretty big deal.

[Junkie]

If I'm not mistaken, the viper is the only reliable 8 second stock long block vehicle in the history of cars. That's a pretty big deal.

That's cool for sure, but it doesn't take away from how great other platforms are as well

[1.8t]

To me a TT Vipers biggest claim to fame has always been big hp pump gas performance(though E85 has closed this gap substantially) and reliability in a high hp state. Simply put, we are spreading the power across more cylinders and due to the displacement, there is less power adder required for big power. My old TT Gen 2 made 750whp on 93oct and never broke, ever. Hell, the new owner cranked it up to over 850whp and it still hasn't missed a beat. A fully forged stock Viper engine can take far more of a beating than people realize. I don't expect any issues from Junkie's motor as long as the tune is on point.

[ViperDC]

Just nasty! Between the anti lag flames and road presence and look and performance....nothing short of a P1 or 918 even compares.

TT Lamborghini would like to have a word with you.


Sweet ACR and great video. No drawn out BS just "here's the cars and here's the races"

Did you have to do anything to strengthen up the trans or rear end?

[ClayR]

Cool Video Will. Love the flames.

[TrackAire]

Both the other cars I raced have ran 8's at 160+.... I stayed right with them/in front of them on several races, that seems VERY fast to me for a car with 2000lbs of down force and a stock motor.

What would you like the outcome to be? Honestly, that wasn't a jab just a question.

Not only is this car fast but it looks incredible...by far my favorite color. There are a lot of fast cars around, but a lot of them look like a piece of turd. Being fast and looking great is tough to do.

I have a tech question about the flames...I expect to see them out the exhaust outlet but what or why are there flames released under the car just behind where the motor ends? (around 2:07 of the video) Is there some sort of blow off valve or device for the anti lag there?

[Zach]

MPH is what wins roll races, the lack of torque is a common misconception with Supras imo. I've built 4 of those cars, all of which have made 1200-2000hp, its VERY hard to out run a properly setup Supra. I won't list the power of the car listed, because he's a friend. But I had a very similar combo that made 1250+whp/1000+wtq. With those cars you are capable of making 1000+ at 4k rpms and you don't have to shift until 9k rpms, thats a GIANT power band. Thats why Supras have always done so well in competition against other cars, its a simple power band combination.

Aero is a much bigger factor than torque Imo, torque would matter if we were racing off idle but with everyone getting a good hit in the power band it really isn't a giant ordeal.

As far as weight goes, the Supra is 3400lbs and my car is 3600lbs, so that also goes to the Supra win column. I'm honestly incredibly impressed that my car runs very even with him. I thought I was going to get driven away from in high gear very badly which wasn't the case at all.


So few people understand how "torque" actually works. There's no motor in the world that connects a crankshaft to the ground, you always have to go through a transmission, diff, then a tire. All three are torque multipliers. Power doesn't change, but torque is multiplied several times before power is transferred to the ground, so torque is a meaningless number unless you're just excited about a car that makes peak power at low rpm. I would guess that Will's ACR is full boogie from around 3krpm to redline, whatever that is. A proper 76mm Supra is full boogie from 5krpm to 9krpm, and a gear change never puts you below 5500 or so. Turbo cars in general make a ton of power under the curve and the gearing in the Supra was good out of the box. Centrifugal blower cars are very RPM dependent, so you'll see a curve that looks like a diagonal line instead of a wide plateau and a lot less area under the curve. (see also: why did my xxx horsepower vette get drug by a xxx horsepower turbo car)

All that aside, for Will's ACR to do what it does on a stock motor, a clutch that's easy to drive, and 19 inch tire is phenomenal. A Supra has a lot of compromises at 1200+ but is still an extremely fast car. 15s, clutch, powerband moved higher, etc, make it much more of a single-purpose vehicle.

[7TH_SIGN]

I have a tech question about the flames...I expect to see them out the exhaust outlet but what or why are there flames released under the car just behind where the motor ends? (around 2:07 of the video) Is there some sort of blow off valve or device for the anti lag there?

His wastegates are dumping to the atmospher.

[Racingswh]

so torque is a meaningless number unless you're just excited about a car that makes peak power at low rpm..

Can you expand upon what you mean?

I am always concerned with when a car makes power and how the curve looks and not really concerned with how much it makes. When a car makes 500 ft lbs of tq and does so at 2800 rpm I know that it's going to get me off a corner more quickly than a similarly geared and tired car that makes 500 ft lbs of tq at 4000 if we are coming off a 50 mph 3rd gear corner at 2800 rpm where you would run out of gear before trackout as well as having to contend with unwanted wheelspin if you left it in 2nd gear.

I am not sure how "It's a meaningless number" applies and just trying to better understand. Maybe in this type of driving like in the video it means something else?

Also I am curious why doesn't anyone drag race these cars? That's something I am terrible at and takes a tremendous amount of skill.

This type of driving just seems to be centered on the car and how much money was spent on it with nothing to do with the person driving it. Just wouldn't hold my attention.

The builds themselves are pretty awesome and the cars look great!!

[BrianACR]

I'd love to watch the speedometer climb while you're doin those pulls!

[ZeeViper]

Torque is actually the most meaningful number haha. As it is a direct correlation to cylinder pressure upon combustion, and horsepower is a function of torque times rpm...but whatever :)

I made mention to it because the additional drag of the aero should have been mitigated by the tons of torque available. Why do liter bikes that make tons of power suffer when the drag gets high at higher speeds ? Lack of torque.


Makes sense about the raised redline in the Supra, I totally forgot those guys can rev to the moon with the right setup. Coupled with the turbo comin on full boil up at 4K I get it now.

[Junkie]

I disagree about torque being the most important number in a race like this. My Supra out ran a lot of cars making way more torque than I ever did.

Time in power band, RPM range after the shift and power at the hit seem to be very important to me.

[Zach]

Torque is actually the most meaningful number haha. As it is a direct correlation to cylinder pressure upon combustion, and horsepower is a function of torque times rpm...but whatever :)

I made mention to it because the additional drag of the aero should have been mitigated by the tons of torque available. Why do liter bikes that make tons of power suffer when the drag gets high at higher speeds ? Lack of torque.


Makes sense about the raised redline in the Supra, I totally forgot those guys can rev to the moon with the right setup. Coupled with the turbo comin on full boil up at 4K I get it now.

Power is what overcomes aero drag, not torque. Again, torque is multiplied through the drivetrain, it's not a useful number at all. Bikes have terrible aero, it's not a lack of torque that hurts them up top. Revisit a physics textbook and you'll see that I'm right. Power= ability to do work. Torque is a force, not the ability to do work over time.

[38D]

Power is what overcomes aero drag, not torque. Again, torque is multiplied through the drivetrain, it's not a useful number at all. Bikes have terrible aero, it's not a lack of torque that hurts them up top. Revisit a physics textbook and you'll see that I'm right. Power= ability to do work. Torque is a force, not the ability to do work over time.

Which is why F1 cars that have very little torque, but crazy high RPM, are so fast (well and they are super light too).

[socal]

That's cool for sure, but it doesn't take away from how great other platforms are as well

My comment was more in response to the "why aren't the TT vipers faster" post. I mean, how much faster than 8s on a stock long block can you get?!

[ZeeViper]

Power is what overcomes aero drag, not torque. Again, torque is multiplied through the drivetrain, it's not a useful number at all. Bikes have terrible aero, it's not a lack of torque that hurts them up top. Revisit a physics textbook and you'll see that I'm right. Power= ability to do work. Torque is a force, not the ability to do work over time.

What does a motor produce? How is acceleration of rotational mass achieved? How is horsepower calculated ?

[ACR]

HP = (RPM * Torque) / 5252

[racegate]

Hmm, Will delivering real results via video with real racing, meanwhile a forum discussion on HP vs Torque. Sounds about right. Carry on.

[Patentlaw]

OK, I'll bite since nobody else did.

Racing on the street? If someone gets injured, it is a felony of the third degree. That is 2 to 10 years in jail. Why risk it? Why even post it? Why allow this to even be posted on the website?

[Junkie]

OK, I'll bite since nobody else did.

Racing on the street? If someone gets injured, it is a felony of the third degree. That is 2 to 10 years in jail. Why risk it? Why even post it? Why allow this to even be posted on the website?

lol always that one guy

I guess you didn't see all the TRC videos? Or several others posting "Mexico" hits

[moe.basilo]

Both the other cars I raced have ran 8's at 160+.... I stayed right with them/in front of them on several races, that seems VERY fast to me for a car with 2000lbs of down force and a stock motor.

What would you like the outcome to be? Honestly, that wasn't a jab just a question.

Great run will, that's really impressive for running with these built cars. 8 second cars = No Joke Man.
you have an aero which holds the car down and on top of that a stock motor thumbs up for that and it is great seeing someone is driving the car instead of keeping it at home for decades, thats how you suppose to drive a viper. keep up the good work and keep us posted with new videos.

[pdv25]

lol always that one guy

I guess you didn't see all the TRC videos? Or several others posting "Mexico" hits


Lmao!!

[viper04]

Nice video nice car! thanks for posting.

[Zach]

Hmm, Will delivering real results via video with real racing, meanwhile a forum discussion on HP vs Torque. Sounds about right. Carry on.

I was really hoping Viper forums would be different. Apparently not, lol.

[Patentlaw]

lol always that one guy

I guess you didn't see all the TRC videos? Or several others posting "Mexico" hits

And what do the other videos have to do with your racing on the streets?

[Racingswh]

OK, I'll bite since nobody else did.

Racing on the street? If someone gets injured, it is a felony of the third degree. That is 2 to 10 years in jail. Why risk it? Why even post it? Why allow this to even be posted on the website?

I think the risk is probably far less than you may think. When watching the videos you see that there are few cars on the streets and the pulls are really short. I would bet a strong run up the merge lane into traffic carries more risk.

I would much rather these short, low speed pulls that require no skill or judgement on the drivers part be done like this all in fun for everyone, instead some kind of crazy impromptu extended over the public road contest. Unorganized contests for extended periods of time at 150 mph plus with complete disregard for traffic conditions get people killed.

Guy we know in town from High School and asked him numerous times to come to the track with us but he never did. I had forgotten by the time I was 12 the skill this guy had to drive fast even though he fancied himself as a great driver.

http://6abc.com/archive/8917623/

http://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com/my_town/doylestown/bodden-gets---years-in-rt-wreck-that-killed/article_b3501562-78c4-5b0e-9055-7775410b7c60.html

[pdv25]

And what do the other videos have to do with your racing on the streets?

He is probably trying to say, why haven't you commented about some other guy on here. All he posts are TRC street racing videos. ;)

[Zach]

I would much rather these short, low speed pulls that require no skill or judgement on the drivers part

Have you spent any seat time in a car that makes 4 digit power?

[Junkie]

And what do the other videos have to do with your racing on the streets?

Let's be realistic, nothing I say will change your opinion. That's just fine

[Space Truckin]

OK, I'll bite since nobody else did.

Racing on the street? If someone gets injured, it is a felony of the third degree. That is 2 to 10 years in jail. Why risk it? Why even post it? Why allow this to even be posted on the website?

See posts 3&4, the beauty of reply with quote

Originally Posted by SharpMan
The flames lighting up the Mustang was pretty wild but you are going to fuck up your life posting street racing vids for the public to see.



^^^Here we go^^^.... :drive: :United_States:

Job well done Will...:dropdev:

[Racingswh]

Have you spent any seat time in a car that makes 4 digit power?

I have not. Only 983 rwhp. Of the couple thousand or so hours I have on road courses all the cars I have driven there have had less than 1000 hp.

Why do you ask? Are you going to tell me going straight from a roll takes skill I am unaware of? Maybe the ability to modulate the power delivery if you start to spin the tires I guess. Basic skill of driving a fast car I would think.

Drag Racing = tremendous skill to do it well (I am terrible at it)

Nascar Racing = tremendous skill to do it well (I know for a fact I can't turn into 1 at Pocono at 190 plus MPH)

Road Course Racing = tremendous skill to do it well (Like a few guys here have, ACRSteve, Darius, Luke, Snorman etc)

Rally Racing = Same as above

Competitive Drifting = Same as above

Pulls from a roll on Saturday night on some highway with my friends = I personally could have and would have been begging to do that when I was 10

If that's all I was doing with them I would need about 20 minutes to think any of those cars are slow and need more power. Especially if other cars around me were nearly or were as fast. LOL!! I would be calling the builder and asking "what's wrong with this thing, I thought you said it was going to be fast"?? lol!! Don't tell me you haven't felt that way!! You spend any time in a fast car and you get acclimated to it almost immediately.

If I was trying to learn to Drag Race them competitively. Yep different story. I would be lost.

Don't misunderstand me. I am not saying the Driver's of those cars have no skill. They may be exceptional. I was actually speaking to the relative safety and risk aspect. I feel that because the driving aspect is insignificant (other than throttle modulation I guess you could say if car setup or traction is poor) and the places chosen to make those pulls are relatively un-populated with other cars there isn't as much risk as some may believe there to be.

The pulls are short with low speeds (Maybe 160 mph if that?) when the roads are reasonably clear and it looks like everyone actually respects the fact that they are on the street and there are other cars ahead.

The flames shooting out and the cars are all really cool!! It looks like it's probably a lot of fun if you don't have anything else going on.

[Junkie]

I have not. Only 983 rwhp. Of the couple thousand or so hours I have on road courses all the cars I have driven there have had less than 1000 hp.

Why do you ask? Are you going to tell me going straight from a roll takes skill I am unaware of? Maybe the ability to modulate the power delivery if you start to spin the tires I guess. Basic skill of driving a fast car I would think.

Drag Racing = tremendous skill to do it well (I am terrible at it)

Nascar Racing = tremendous skill to do it well (I know for a fact I can't turn into 1 at Pocono at 190 plus MPH)

Road Course Racing = tremendous skill to do it well (Like a few guys here have, ACRSteve, Darius, Luke, Snorman etc)

Rally Racing = Same as above

Competitive Drifting = Same as above

Pulls from a roll on Saturday night on some highway with my friends = I personally could have and would have been begging to do that when I was 10

If that's all I was doing with them I would need about 20 minutes to think any of those cars are slow and need more power. Especially if other cars around me were nearly or were as fast. LOL!! I would be calling the builder and asking "what's wrong with this thing, I thought you said it was going to be fast"?? lol!! Don't tell me you haven't felt that way!! You spend any time in a fast car and you get acclimated to it almost immediately.

If I was trying to learn to Drag Race them competitively. Yep different story. I would be lost.

Don't misunderstand me. I am not saying the Driver's of those cars have no skill. They may be exceptional. I was actually speaking to the relative safety and risk aspect. I feel that because the driving aspect is insignificant (other than throttle modulation I guess you could say if car setup or traction is poor) and the places chosen to make those pulls are relatively un-populated with other cars there isn't as much risk as some may believe there to be.

The pulls are short with low speeds (Maybe 160 mph if that?) when the roads are reasonably clear and it looks like everyone actually respects the fact that they are on the street and there are other cars ahead.

The flames shooting out and the cars are all really cool!! It looks like it's probably a lot of fun if you don't have anything else going on.

You're correct, 60-160 and we try to make it as safe as possible. I wanted a no compromise street car, setup to drive across country without issue and do pretty well against my buddies in exactly this type of racing. I've ruined a lot of cars pushing them too far and turning them into "race cars" I'd love to not do that again with such a fun and amazing car.

[Patentlaw]

I think the risk is probably far less than you may think. When watching the videos you see that there are few cars on the streets and the pulls are really short. I would bet a strong run up the merge lane into traffic carries more risk.

I would much rather these short, low speed pulls that require no skill or judgement on the drivers part be done like this all in fun for everyone, instead some kind of crazy impromptu extended over the public road contest. Unorganized contests for extended periods of time at 150 mph plus with complete disregard for traffic conditions get people killed.

Guy we know in town from High School and asked him numerous times to come to the track with us but he never did. I had forgotten by the time I was 12 the skill this guy had to drive fast even though he fancied himself as a great driver.

http://6abc.com/archive/8917623/

http://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com/my_town/doylestown/bodden-gets---years-in-rt-wreck-that-killed/article_b3501562-78c4-5b0e-9055-7775410b7c60.html

You got my point. Nobody ever thinks that they will get into an accident. Even the best of people and drivers get into accidents on public roadways. Things happen beyond your control. Things laying in the road. These are compounded at night. I have personal experience with drivers who think that they know what they are doing and get into accidents where people die or are severely injured. It is not worth it.

As far as commenting on other people.....I am not the forum police. I have commented on others.....but surely not all.

I am sorry I am not fawning over the video as the original poster wanted. He opened himself up to comment and I commented. I hope that his luck continues and that he never gets in trouble with the law or has an accident.

Lastly, here is a police officer who took a joy ride. Highly trained at driving. It happens. Dodge Viper.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/02/27/north-brunswick-officer-in-deadly-joyride-case-to-be-sentenced/

[Racingswh]

You're correct, 60-160 and we try to make it as safe as possible. I wanted a no compromise street car, setup to drive across country without issue and do pretty well against my buddies in exactly this type of racing. I've ruined a lot of cars pushing them too far and turning them into "race cars" I'd love to not do that again with such a fun and amazing car.

Your car is very special. I believe one of if not the best platform to start from. I just love mine.

Someday if the stars align properly I will have a 1400 hp turbocharged road course car. Only fitting since the big power 917/30 is probably my favorite of all time.

Enjoy your car! It's amazing.

[Snakebit10]

This silver TT Viper beast of a street car reminds me of a certain full weight red Gen 2 GTS street car from back in the day that did 8.9 @180mph if memory serves. Car made it in the mags too I just forgot who owned it. Low 9's high 8's in a full weight street car, regardless of platform, is nothing short of spectacular.

Can't knock posts like PatentLaw's as there are tons of articles over the decades showcasing the aftermath of street racing gone wrong. Be safe gentlemen.

[Chiliphil1]

Will, absolutely gorgeous. Can't beat a reliable 1000+whp street car you can beat on and not have to worry about things breaking.

I have nothing of value to add, just wanted to say that your avatar is the coolest in the history of avatars!


I'd love to watch the speedometer climb while you're doin those pulls!

I second that.

From the linked article above
A car that belongs on the race track, not residential roads. Reminds me of the gun debate. Just because something bad happened to me we must ban it so that no one can possibly find any joy, anywhere.

[City]

Can't knock posts like PatentLaw's as there are tons of articles over the decades showcasing the aftermath of street racing gone wrong. Be safe gentlemen.

This^



From the linked article above Reminds me of the gun debate. Just because something bad happened to me we must ban it so that no one can possibly find any joy, anywhere.

I'm not taking a position here, but this is a poor argument as guns are legal and street racing is not. A more proper comparison would be the use of guns for target practice on a public street vs. street racing.

[Vipes]

You got my point. Nobody ever thinks that they will get into an accident. Even the best of people and drivers get into accidents on public roadways. Things happen beyond your control. Things laying in the road. These are compounded at night. I have personal experience with drivers who think that they know what they are doing and get into accidents where people die or are severely injured. It is not worth it.

As far as commenting on other people.....I am not the forum police. I have commented on others.....but surely not all.

I am sorry I am not fawning over the video as the original poster wanted. He opened himself up to comment and I commented. I hope that his luck continues and that he never gets in trouble with the law or has an accident.

Lastly, here is a police officer who took a joy ride. Highly trained at driving. It happens. Dodge Viper.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/02/27/north-brunswick-officer-in-deadly-joyride-case-to-be-sentenced/

I don't understand your motivation or goal. Do you believe in your mind that you are going to explain risk to Junkie that he wasn't aware of?

That link isn't even remotely correlated. He was a trained driver in a crown vic which was actually the problem because it made him over confident to drive a 600hp viper on run flats. He probably had 0 seat time in any high hp car on a track. IMO there is more risk driving a Viper fast around corners vs doing a highway pull in a straight line.

[Patentlaw]

I don't understand your motivation or goal. Do you believe in your mind that you are going to explain risk to Junkie that he wasn't aware of?

That link isn't even remotely correlated. He was a trained driver in a crown vic which was actually the problem because it made him over confident to drive a 600hp viper on run flats. He probably had 0 seat time in any high hp car on a track. IMO there is more risk driving a Viper fast around corners vs doing a highway pull in a straight line.

Junkie and I corresponded privately regarding the issue. He is a good guy. I am not trying to be a kill joy. The penalties here in Texas are very harsh. I was concerned that a fellow viper driver was taking an extreme risk in light of the law. I did not call him a name or be negative. Not everyone knows the severity. I did not assume he knew and wanted him to be informed.

If you characterize the linked article as being not on point, I disagree. The point is that people are held accountable for driving on the highways, even if they are the police. Why would people being charged for recklessness on the highway not be on point? Even the police? A trained driver.

Obviously, you are not from the area the incident happened in NJ. Route 130 is essentially straight and the driver was traveling at 94 mph. Similar to the video. The officers had BETTER sight lines because it happened during the daytime during their lunch break.

[Chiliphil1]

This^



I'm not taking a position here, but this is a poor argument as guns are legal and street racing is not. A more proper comparison would be the use of guns for target practice on a public street vs. street racing.

No no, that's not what I meant.

I meant in the article where the lady says "a car that should be on a race track, not a street" I was in no way supporting street racing, not at all. Just saying that here is a person saying what type of car can be on a street. Much like how they tell you which guns you should be able to own.

[Voice of Reason]

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Lastly, here is a police officer who took a joy ride. Highly trained at driving. It happens. Dodge Viper.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/02/27/north-brunswick-officer-in-deadly-joyride-case-to-be-sentenced/

Well you see the problem here is that Dodge Viper didn't have cop tires, cop suspension, or cop shocks. Probably didn't have a cop motor in it either.

[City]

No no, that's not what I meant.

I meant in the article where the lady says "a car that should be on a race track, not a street" I was in no way supporting street racing, not at all. Just saying that here is a person saying what type of car can be on a street. Much like how they tell you which guns you should be able to own.

Aha. My bad. This type of thread invariably gets off topic quickly. I will say that folks DO need to be careful about posting street racing vids since, IF the OP should ever have any car/racing incidents, these vids are always searched and used as evidence.

This is relevant Forum Guideline: •The VOA does not condone street racing and as such, at the discretion of the moderators, we will review any street racing related posts and take down street racing videos.

[7TH_SIGN]

I have nothing of value to add, just wanted to say that your avatar is the coolest in the history of avatars!

Haha thank you! I've actually got it framed in my family room. I've got another good one of both my boys standing on the intake manifold of my GEN V. Got to share the passion for automobiles with the kiddos.

[Patentlaw]

Aha. My bad. This type of thread invariably gets off topic quickly. I will say that folks DO need to be careful about posting street racing vids since, IF the OP should ever have any car/racing incidents, these vids are always searched and used as evidence.

This is relevant Forum Guideline: •The VOA does not condone street racing and as such, at the discretion of the moderators, we will review any street racing related posts and take down street racing videos.


A very very wise man.