Targa Tazmania 2017

[Snakebit10]

Surprised this wasn't posted. Looks like its on again between the GT3 RS and Viper ACR Extreme. Love em both. Im following it on Rennlist:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r/987022-targa-tasmania-2017-gt3-rs-v-s-viper.html

[PkB2014]

Surprised this wasn't posted. Looks like its on again between the GT3 RS and Viper ACR Extreme. Viper is currently 17 secs behind. Seems that in the dry the GT3 RS is faster but in the wet the Viper was faster. Probably better drivers in the GT3 RS? Love em both but very surprised at the GT3 RS being faster in the dry. Im following it on Rennlist:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r/987022-targa-tasmania-2017-gt3-rs-v-s-viper.html

Yes the Viper ACR is currently 17sec behind...another Viper ACR-Extreme. So Vipers running 1-2

[str5010]

I thought in the video highlight I saw from day one, one of the ACRs was a non extreme car. It was all silver where as the ACR-E had a black hood and is driven by Jason White.

[Policy Limits]

That's awesome

[sadil]

So cool. Thanks for sharing. Will be following.

[Snakebit10]

I stand corrected. Vipers are 1-2. RS is 3rd.

And yes 1 ACR Extreme and one ACR non-Extreme from what I read. I hope both ACR and GT3 RS make it to the end with no mechanical gremlins. Epic battle all the way through with a win would be another great send off to the G.O.A.T. (ACR-E)

[str5010]

Thanks for posting here. I've been following since last year but didn't think there was much interest in the group. Incredible this event, what a setting. I need to look into the rules at some point as I recall they can't actually run flat out on all the stages.

Cool too seeing the GT3RS, my second favorite current production car.

[ACRSNK]

Cool!

[Arizona Vipers]

I stand corrected. Vipers are 1-2. RS is 3rd.

And yes 1 ACR Extreme and one ACR non-Extreme from what I read. I hope both ACR and GT3 RS make it to the end with no mechanical gremlins. Epic battle all the way through with a win would be another great send off to the G.O.A.T. (ACR-E)

You really should edit your original post. Anyone not reading this entire thread all the way down will read the Porsche is winning when it's not

[Snakebit10]

Done.

[sadil]

Looks like the snake is giving the Demon a run for its money ;) Now a 1 minute lead. I wonder why the other ACR lost so much time to the Porsche in the dry.

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[str5010]

What an awesome picture. White keeps referencing his concern over tire wear. Anyone know if theyre limited on tire supply? They are running the factory kuhmo, maybe he's just concerned on wear within a longer stage away from a service area.

[OneofOneViper]

What an awesome picture. White keeps referencing his concern over tire wear. Anyone know if their limited on tire supply? They are running the factory kuhmo, maybe he's just concerned on wear within a longer stage away from a service area.

Tires are available, I've checked into it. But under normal driving conditions those Kuhmos apparently only get about 10k miles. Driving it like a race car... significantly less.

[str5010]

Tires are available, I've checked into it. But under normal driving conditions those Kuhmos apparently only get about 10k miles. Driving it like a race car... significantly less.

I meant limited by the rules as in so many sets per day or is that what you were referring to?

We are certainly aware of how quickly you can go through a set of fronts on track in this car. Quick guys here are struggling to make it through more than a full day as I've read on some track surfaces.

[Snakebit10]

Anyone know what class that WRX STi is in? It seems to keep winning stages. Must be a monster.

Nice to see the Viper ACR-E in front in GT2.

The non Ex ACR seems to be struggling.

[str5010]

I believe they are running in GT4 but lost an hour early in the event.

[AZTVR]

Thanks for the heads up with this thread. I followed the event last year and forgot about it this year.

Good views of the front running ACR and a few words from the driver on day 4, here
https://youtu.be/mq_QuMgwR5c

[Snakebit10]

Sounds like the Viper has to manage its tires in the dry so they cant go flat out like the GT3 RS can in the dry. That sucks. If I'm understanding it right the Viper is faster in the rain than the Porsche which boggles the mind lol. Glad to see both camps in good health and still running.

[str5010]

If I had to render an educated guess, the Viper is quicker in the rain because of the aero and because they can push harder in the rain without as much fear of tire degradation. On anything but tight, twisting stages the ACR should be quicker than the gtrs in the dry too, but as you pointed out the viper has to limit its pace and manage tires.

I still haven't​ been able to locate the rules on tires - are competitors in this class limited to a single set of the oem tires?

[dewilmoth]

Sounds like the Viper has to manage its tires in the dry so they cant go flat out like the GT3 RS can in the dry. That sucks. If I'm understanding it right the Viper is faster in the rain than the Porsche which boggles the mind lol. Glad to see both camps in good health and still running.

They've been managing tires while maintaining their lead, and are now in a position to push hard if they need to. The win is theirs to lose.

https://targa.com.au/tc/news_details.asp?asset_id=29759

[Snakebit10]

They've been managing tires while maintaining their lead, and are now in a position to push hard if they need to. The win is theirs to lose.

https://targa.com.au/tc/news_details.asp?asset_id=29759

Thx for the update. I cant see any of the Australian sites to get updates since my work filter is blocking them all.

[PkB2014]

They've been managing tires while maintaining their lead, and are now in a position to push hard if they need to. The win is theirs to lose.

https://targa.com.au/tc/news_details.asp?asset_id=29759

Wow, non-Extreme Viper now in 2nd again. Vipers running 1-2!

[AZTVR]

I still haven't​ been able to locate the rules on tires - are competitors in this class limited to a single set of the oem tires? You probably were searching on "tires" rather than "tyres".

As I read the rules, they are limited to a total of 6 tyres for the entire event. They must be road legal during the touring stages of the event (not below wear indicators.) They do not need to be OEM type. It appears that they do not have to use OE wheels either; but, are limited to a certain variation in size from OE. PDF-2015-2017 technical regulations - Targa Tasmania (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwjDjvrqt8fTAhVHxlQKHWyWBigQFggrMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftarga.com.au%2Fincludes%2Fsiteed %2Fsafedoc.php%3Fg%3D967fd171-1cc1-4ba1-9798-64c1193bbfd9&usg=AFQjCNEWiTxBMwbN0d0vwGkc_17yC682HQ&sig2=IE9oDez8StpEPfjjqqRvog)

[PkB2014]

You probably were searching on "tires" rather than "tyres".

They are limited to a total of 6 tyres for the entire event. They must be road legal during the touring stages of the event (not below wear indicators.) They do not need to be OEM type. It appears that they do not have to use OE wheels either; but, are limited to a certain variation in size from OE. PDF-2015-2017 technical regulations - Targa Tasmania (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwjDjvrqt8fTAhVHxlQKHWyWBigQFggrMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftarga.com.au%2Fincludes%2Fsiteed %2Fsafedoc.php%3Fg%3D967fd171-1cc1-4ba1-9798-64c1193bbfd9&usg=AFQjCNEWiTxBMwbN0d0vwGkc_17yC682HQ&sig2=IE9oDez8StpEPfjjqqRvog)

good info, so in the case of the ACR - 1 spare for the front and 1 spare for the rear.

[Snakebit10]

Wow. That explains why the RS is so close. They were tire managing for the start. Good info.

[dewilmoth]

Probably not the best strategy, but I'm hoping they uncork her on the final day to show what the ACR can really do.

[AZTVR]

good info, so in the case of the ACR - 1 spare for the front and 1 spare for the rear.

I was thinking about what my strategy would be. I would weigh the risk of a low probability rear tire failure versus the known front tire wear. I think that I would go with two front tires as spares.

[str5010]

Thanks for the info. Certainly connects all the dots in terms of the driver quotes, relative pace, conditions etc.

[dewilmoth]

I was thinking about what my strategy would be. I would weigh the risk of a low probability rear tire failure versus the known front tire wear. I think that I would go with two front tires as spares.

Good point, I wonder which tire strategy version they chose.

[viperBase1]

This is awesome! :cool:

[dewilmoth]

Viper for the 1-2 win. Great news!

[Policy Limits]

#winning

[viperBase1]

:dude3::dancingman::t89039::United_States:

Was just over at the rennlis.com site to see how those guys were taking the loss.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r/987022-targa-tasmania-2017-gt3-rs-v-s-viper.html

There is one gentlemanly congrats to the Vipers, but then....very quite.
Prolly busy drowning their sorrows.:very_drunk:

[Snakebit10]

I wouldn't say that. Those Rennlisters are class and they have received the ACR very well.

Congrats to the ACR E and ACR on coming in 1-2. Really haven't seen much documented on the non E ACR so its nice to see it can do work like its bigger brother especially against such a hugely formidable car like the GT3 RS. Congrats to the Porsche team as well for an epic effort.

[str5010]

I wouldn't say that. Those Rennlisters are class and they have received the ACR very well.

Congrats to the ACR E and ACR on coming in 1-2. Really haven't seen much documented on the non E ACR so its nice to see it can do work like its bigger brother especially against such a hugely formidable car like the GT3 RS. Congrats to the Porsche team as well for an epic effort.

Interesting observation. The ACR base does seem to have been completely overlooked and so has the TA 2.0 for that matter. It would have been great to see Dodge provide a comparison video at the same track of all the Viper variants and their relative performance. It seems clear to me that most media outlets are unaware that some of the variants, or some of the option groups within a variant even exist i.e. you can order an ACR-E with 18 speaks and full leather or if you prefer a bit more street oriented performance there exists a TA and TA 2.0.

Either way, definitely cool to see both ACRs represented in this rally and finish at the top!

[ViperSRT]

Interesting observation. The ACR base does seem to have been completely overlooked and so has the TA 2.0 for that matter. It would have been great to see Dodge provide a comparison video at the same track of all the Viper variants and their relative performance. It seems clear to me that most media outlets are unaware that some of the variants, or some of the option groups within a variant even exist i.e. you can order an ACR-E with 18 speaks and full leather or if you prefer a bit more street oriented performance there exists a TA and TA 2.0.

Either way, definitely cool to see both ACRs represented in this rally and finish at the top!

Excellent perspective. But reading the pages here it would seem there are many here that feel it is ACR-E or nothing, so it is not only the media that have that perspective. Even when they are talking about drag racing where the logic defies me.

[Snakebit10]

Nice article covering Targa. Looks like the non-E ACR gave the ACR-E all it can handle. I wonder if having less down force allowed the non-E ACR to be kinder on the tires thus having to manage the tires much less than the ACR-E? Non E ACR was very comfortably ahead of the GT3 RS as well.

http://www.speedcafe.com/2017/04/29/jason-white-clinches-sixth-targa-tasmania-crown/

[Dave1968]

Seems like the ACR is really hampered by the fact the tires don't last. Are there no other tires out there that would be better suited for this car that would last longer - especially on a road course.

[str5010]

Seems like the ACR is really hampered by the fact the tires don't last. Are there no other tires out there that would be better suited for this car that would last longer - especially on a road course.

Yes but not in a 19" front that are road legal as far as I know.

[Memphis]

Great to see they had much better luck than last year. Is it the same car?

[AZTVR]

Great to see they had much better luck than last year. Is it the same car?

Given the expense of shipping the car to Australia and installing the full cage, I would assume so. Also the paint scheme and decals on it appear the same.

[Snakebit10]

Seems like the ACR is really hampered by the fact the tires don't last. Are there no other tires out there that would be better suited for this car that would last longer - especially on a road course.

In a way its good they didn't have a tire that they could just wail on from the start of the Targa Tasmania. It made the contest much more interesting even though they won by over a minute.. Just imagine if they did not have tire management issues. Yikes.