Working out a deal on a 13 GTS

[Codybby]

Hey guys! I finally found a car but it's 1300 miles away at a dealer in North Dakota and I'm in Mississippi. What info should I be requesting? I've asked for the Window Sticker,10year warranty, and about R28 and R29. It was used by the owner of the dealership to go back and forth between stores and now it sits with roughly ~2k miles. I'm debating having the car shipped to me but I'm a bit worried having never seen it in person, I can request pictures but I'm still not sure. I would gladly drive it back but I'm not sure how the weather is between there and here. Thoughts?

[One Viper Bite]

I would recommend having a local member go check the car out for you in person and maybe even give it a drive. I would spend some money to have it inspected at a Dodge dealer and preferably an certified Viper Tech. Other than that, it sounds like you've got the rest covered pretty well. 2k miles is really low and it should be a nice car!

Good luck!

[Codybby]

I would recommend having a local member go check the car out for you in person and maybe even give it a drive. If it's not being sold at a Dodge dealership, I would spend some money to have it inspected at a Dodge dealer and preferably an certified Viper Tech. Other than that, it sounds like you've got the rest covered pretty well. 2k miles is really low and it should be a nice car!

Good luck!

Thanks! It's a dodge dealer but as with many the reviews for the service department are terrible, I'm not sure how I'd feel about them touching it to be honest. But I'd gladly send a few bucks a members way if they checked it out for me.

[7TH_SIGN]

Don't trust the dealership on the condition of the car. Bottom line they will tell you what you want to hear to make the sale. Either fly out there and inspect it yourself or higher someone you trust to do the PPI.

[ViperSmith]

Don't trust the dealership on the condition of the car. Bottom line they will tell you what you want to hear to make the sale. Either fly out there and inspect it yourself or higher someone you trust to do the PPI.

You sound like you speak from experience or something

[dev]

I looked at that car online before buying my car. Looks clean. Agree with the above, if you feel uncomfortable definitely get a 3rd party PPI. 100-200$ is worth it. Also the car was listed at one time for 75k so you should at least be able to get that.

Good luck, keep us updated!

[Purple Haze]

Have it transported back weather still crappy everywhere...

[Codybby]

I looked at that car online before buying my car. Looks clean. Agree with the above, if you feel uncomfortable definitely get a 3rd party PPI. 100-200$ is worth it. Also the car was listed at one time for 75k so you should at least be able to get that.

Good luck, keep us updated!

They wouldn't budge but looking at the market 77k still isn't bad is it?

[Ninjakris]

I'm not sure how close to Biloxi you are, but I have a gen V and would be glad to show you some details about these cars and things to look for in person if you want.

[Codybby]

I'm not sure how close to Biloxi you are, but I have a gen V and would be glad to show you some details about these cars and things to look for in person if you want.

I appreciate the offer but I'm in Tupelo.

[7TH_SIGN]

You sound like you speak from experience or something

;) your absolutely right.

[dev]

To me, a good deal is what you're willing to pay and are comfortable with. If you love the car, 77k isn't bad. It had been priced at 75k before and had been on the market for what seems like forever. Definitely mention those things to them which will work in your favor and go from there.

It looks like a low mile, clean GTS with a good color combionstion. I don't think you would be disappointed either way.

[slowhatch]

They wouldn't budge but looking at the market 77k still isn't bad is it?

I think 77k is fair given the cars mileage. You have a 100k powertrain warranty and depending on the in-service date (which you should request from the dealer), you may still have oem bumper-bumper left.

What is the color combination on the car?

And I would echo everyone's sentiments in regards to seeing the car in person (by yourself or someone you trust). You'd be surprised how far this little viper families claws extend. Tell us where the car is I guarantee someone in the area will be happy to look it over for you.

[Codybby]

Have it transported back weather still crappy everywhere...


Ahh really? I've been looking at weather maps and they don't look bad unless I'm missing something.

[Codybby]

To me, a good deal is what you're willing to pay and are comfortable with. If you love the car, 77k isn't bad. It had been priced at 75k before and had been on the market for what seems like forever. Definitely mention those things to them which will work in your favor and go from there.

It looks like a low mile, clean GTS with a good color combionstion. I don't think you would be disappointed either way.

Right, I don't want to overpay and I may have jumped the gun a bit as we've already come to an agreement. I've been watching these cars the past few weeks and it seems they are going as fast as they come. Every GTS below 80k I call about has been sold, one even the same day and it was higher mileage and price.

[Codybby]

I think 77k is fair given the cars mileage. You have a 100k powertrain warranty and depending on the in-service date (which you should request from the dealer), you may still have oem bumper-bumper left.

What is the color combination on the car?

And I would echo everyone's sentiments in regards to seeing the car in person (by yourself or someone you trust). You'd be surprised how far this little viper families claws extend. Tell us where the car is I guarantee someone in the area will be happy to look it over for you.

It's in Williston, North Dakota http://www.ryanchryslerdodgejeep.net/used/Dodge/2013-Dodge-SRT+Viper-be3d155c0a0e0ae854d002e58b57ca21.htm

[Ninjakris]

Don't feel bad about driving it as long as the weather forecast doesn't look too bad. Its a used car at this point and some miles wont hurt anything.

My recommendation: if you like the car and everything checks out, put a deposit on it and buy a plane ticket. Fly up there and check out the car in person. Best case scenario, you drive home a viper over a couple days. Worse case, you see it in person and decide its not the right car for you and your out <$1000 for round trip tickets. Thats way better than paying a shipping company the same $1000 without seeing it in person.

For what its worth, I purchased my car in Connecticut in January and drove it 800 miles home after flying up the night before. I have zero regrets.

[Codybby]

Don't feel bad about driving it as long as the weather forecast doesn't look too bad. Its a used car at this point and some miles wont hurt anything.

My recommendation: if you like the car and everything checks out, put a deposit on it and buy a plane ticket. Fly up there and check out the car in person. Best case scenario, you drive home a viper over a couple days. Worse case, you see it in person and decide its not the right car for you and your out <$1000 for round trip tickets. Thats way better than paying a shipping company the same $1000 without seeing it in person.

For what its worth, I purchased my car in Connecticut in January and drove it 800 miles home after flying up the night before. I have zero regrets.

Thanks for the input, this one is around 1450 miles away haha so a good drive but it's what I'm leaning towards. My main concern is the weather, it doesn't look like there's snow on the route back so that's good. Does anyone sell any sort of bumper protector that I could quickly put on for the trip back?

[Wagnut ACR]

I lived in ND for five years. Weather can be a SOB. I agree with seeing the car first. If you do drive home I'd carry a gas can. Towns/city's are farther apart then we see in the south, up to 90 miles or so apart. Not bad once you get out of ND/SD. Weather/accidents on a two lane highway can be bad if not prepared. I'm guessing you would take 94 east to the 29 south. Kind of a boring drive too. Made that one when we moved to TN. Others have recommended Road Warrior for a temp clear bra, don't have any experience with it myself.

[slowhatch]

It's in Williston, North Dakota http://www.ryanchryslerdodgejeep.net/used/Dodge/2013-Dodge-SRT+Viper-be3d155c0a0e0ae854d002e58b57ca21.htm

Go on this FB group and ask, guaranteed someone will help you

https://www.facebook.com/groups/BestViperClub/

[Codybby]

I lived in ND for five years. Weather can be a SOB. I agree with seeing the car first. If you do drive home I'd carry a gas can. Towns/city's are farther apart then we see in the south, up to 90 miles or so apart. Not bad once you get out of ND/SD. Weather/accidents on a two lane highway can be bad if not prepared. I'm guessing you would take 94 east to the 29 south. Kind of a boring drive too. Made that one when we moved to TN. Others have recommended Road Warrior for a temp clear bra, don't have any experience with it myself.

Yea 94E to 29S looks to be the quickest route. Will there be salt on the roads?

[Wagnut ACR]

If any bad weather is forecasted/hits there will be salt or brine on the roads. Some counties have gone to using gravel mixed in too. Drive can handled with a little luck and planning.

[Codybby]

Hmm Friday and Saturday it looks like my whole route will be clear of weather, that may be my best bet.

Found the window sticker as well. Hard to read but it's got the Laguna Interior Package, Track Pack, Car Cover, and 18 HK Speakers.

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[BJG32]

Hmm Friday and Saturday it looks like my whole route will be clear of weather, that may be my best bet.

Found the window sticker as well. Hard to read but it's got the Laguna Interior Package, Track Pack, Car Cover, and 18 HK Speakers.

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Just as an FYI, this was before the 15k price drop. Subtract $15k off that for an accurate "2017 MSRP".

[ACRSNK]

Just as an FYI, this was before the 15k price drop. Subtract $15k off that for an accurate "2017 MSRP".

Good catch.

[Jet Slicker]

What a coincidence! I'm flying to Miami on Thursday to pick up an orange TA! Driving it back Friday/Saturday/Sunday just like you are hahaha. It will be an adventure for both of us.
One thing I did to be extra sure about the car was getting the Carfax AND an Autocheck. Not often, but sometimes they will pick up different things than one another. Autocheck picked up an accident on a truck my brother was looking at, and Carfax didn't.

But seriously, with 1890 miles there's not much the car could've got into. Hell, there's not much that could be wrong with the car in general. So you should feel pretty confident going to pick it up. The TA i'm picking up has 7500 miles, but even then there's not a ton that could be wrong with it. The car isn't far from new, and yours is basically new. So i'm feeling pretty confident.

Good luck and have an adventure!

[MoparJohn]

In my opinion there is room on that price. I paid 68k for a 2013 GTS last year from a dealer in Texas. Granted mine did not have the track pack and it had 7K miles on it, but I still think there is meat on that bone.

[DZnutz]

In my opinion there is room on that price. I paid 68k for a 2013 GTS last year from a dealer in Texas. Granted mine did not have the track pack and it had 7K miles on it, but I still think there is meat on that bone.

Yes, and now production has ended so there are no more vipers, prices will go up

I cant understand why most people here are all over killing the resale value of their cars... bunch of retards

[Codybby]

Yes, and now production has ended so there are no more vipers, prices will go up

I cant understand why most people here are all over killing the resale value of their cars... bunch of retards

Do you think it's a temporary price hike? It seems they are ~10k higher now versus 6 months ago. I assume once the end of production hype dies they will fall back in line. Or.. it could go the opposite way and stay inflated, nows either the worst time or the best time to buy. What do you think?

[BJG32]

Do you think it's a temporary price hike? It seems they are ~10k higher now versus 6 months ago. I assume once the end of production hype dies they will fall back in line. Or.. it could go the opposite way and stay inflated, nows either the worst time or the best time to buy. What do you think?

You'll get a lot of opinions, but nobody knows. Don't buy if you can't stomach some depreciation.

[Codybby]

What a coincidence! I'm flying to Miami on Thursday to pick up an orange TA! Driving it back Friday/Saturday/Sunday just like you are hahaha. It will be an adventure for both of us.
One thing I did to be extra sure about the car was getting the Carfax AND an Autocheck. Not often, but sometimes they will pick up different things than one another. Autocheck picked up an accident on a truck my brother was looking at, and Carfax didn't.

But seriously, with 1890 miles there's not much the car could've got into. Hell, there's not much that could be wrong with the car in general. So you should feel pretty confident going to pick it up. The TA i'm picking up has 7500 miles, but even then there's not a ton that could be wrong with it. The car isn't far from new, and yours is basically new. So i'm feeling pretty confident.

Good luck and have an adventure!

Haha that's awesome! Congrats on the new ride, I hope you enjoy the drive home.

[Codybby]

You'll get a lot of opinions, but nobody knows. Don't buy if you can't stomach some depreciation.


I expect some depreciation, but if the 15'+ models break into the 70's it may be worth it to wait.

[MoparJohn]

Yes, and now production has ended so there are no more vipers, prices will go up

I cant understand why most people here are all over killing the resale value of their cars... bunch of retards

Just curious is it retarded or good business to buy something for as low as you can possibly get it? If you plan on holding on to a car for 20 years it really doesn't matter what you experience as depreciation. Every car goes to a low point in its value before it comes back up. We are still on the downward slope of value in Vipers. Yes I own a Viper. Yes I expect depreciation. Do I think the low production numbers will help them hold value and experience less depreciation than other cars. Absolutely. Take away all of your personal feelings and passion towards the Viper. Ask yourself if you can live with the depreciation of the value. Consider that your cost for the fun that this car will provide. If you can handle that loss of money before the value of the car goes up again then purchasing a Viper is right for you.

[AZTVR]

Just curious is it retarded or good business to buy something for as low as you can possibly get it?

I think that he was referring to you pointing out that your car is worth less than what a prospective buyer is willing to pay. It does seem counter intuitive for an owner to try to make sure that the market price is perceived to be as low as possible. As a person that is in the market for a Gen V, I do appreciate what you are trying to do for us buyers, though.

To the OP: You do have a choice to wait a year or two until you find that better deal on the color/option package you want. I know that when I bought my Gen 2, I was in a similar position of seeing those great deals being snatched up quickly and finally paid what was a decent price for cars that are available on the "every day" market.

[Codybby]

I think that he was referring to you pointing out that your car is worth less than what a prospective buyer is willing to pay. It does seem counter intuitive for an owner to try to make sure that the market price is perceived to be as low as possible. As a person that is in the market for a Gen V, I do appreciate what you are trying to do for us buyers, though.

To the OP: You do have a choice to wait a year or two until you find that better deal on the color/option package you want. I know that when I bought my Gen 2, I was in a similar position of seeing those great deals being snatched up quickly and finally paid what was a decent price for cars that are available on the "every day" market.

Thanks for the input, after sleeping on it I'm not so excited now. With so many new vehicles on the horizon and the current viper market being unpredictable I'm thinking about just waiting.

[The_Ruski_Driver]

Sorry but I just put a deposit on that car and I'm flying in this weekend to drive it home.

Just kidding. But imagine I wasn't?? 2k should NOT be a sticking point if you like the car. Point is, if it suits your taste then fly out and drive home! I've driven many cars 1000+ miles home and it's worth it everytime!

Here, let me save you 1k right now. Call them and tell them you'll put a 1k deposit over the phone if they sell it for 76 flat. I've never heard of a dealer not negotiating - hell my 2013 LE was listed at 88k and my first offer was 70.

[DZnutz]

Just curious is it retarded or good business to buy something for as low as you can possibly get it? If you plan on holding on to a car for 20 years it really doesn't matter what you experience as depreciation. Every car goes to a low point in its value before it comes back up. We are still on the downward slope of value in Vipers. Yes I own a Viper. Yes I expect depreciation. Do I think the low production numbers will help them hold value and experience less depreciation than other cars. Absolutely. Take away all of your personal feelings and passion towards the Viper. Ask yourself if you can live with the depreciation of the value. Consider that your cost for the fun that this car will provide. If you can handle that loss of money before the value of the car goes up again then purchasing a Viper is right for you.

If you currently own one of those "somethings" then it is counter-productive at best. I would assume 90% of the people on a Viper forum own a Viper. Its one thing to offer advice, its another to keep directing people to beat the price down over and over again

[AZTVR]

If you currently own one of those "somethings" then it is counter-productive at best. I would assume 90% of the people on a Viper forum own a Viper. Its one thing to offer advice, its another to keep directing people to beat the price down over and over again

His descriptions of his car, as previously posted, certainly are not greatly surprising with a lower valued car; although it seems that he has worked out all of the bugs.

OP: PM sent

[mak1118]

I hope I don't upset anyone but I wouldn't pay $77k for it and if I knew they offered it for less before and they've been sitting on it I would offer them even less then the $75k.

[DZnutz]

I hope I don't upset anyone but I wouldn't pay $77k for it and if I knew they offered it for less before and they've been sitting on it I would offer them even less then the $75k.

Nothing upsetting about your opinion, some people simply have to realize that they cant afford a Gen V

[Codybby]

I'm currently working out a private party deal on a similar car, 14' with 10k miles and no stories. I'm thinking that I can get it for 67-69k, I'm still working out the details. If anyone here has an unlimited carfax/autocheck I'll send you the VIN#

[ViperSRT]

I still do not understand why owners would facilitate this lowering of their own cars value phenomenon. Fire sales I can understand, but trying to drive all sales to the lowest possible denominator is counterproductive. The mantra should be to preserve the value of their car as much as possible. Not buy low and sell even lower.

[mak1118]

I still do not understand why owners would facilitate this lowering of their own cars value phenomenon. Fire sales I can understand, but trying to drive all sales to the lowest possible denominator is counterproductive. The mantra should be to preserve the value of their car as much as possible. Not buy low and sell even lower.


It's just the way it is, people always think their cars are worth more than they are... if they don't move they need to be at a lower price.

[mak1118]

Nothing upsetting about your opinion, some people simply have to realize that they cant afford a Gen V

Sure some people can't afford one but what does that have to do with getting the best price you can? If I was looking at a used viper and it had been priced lower before and on top of that it's been sitting for a while I would have offered much less than $77k, if they don't want it then I can decide if I want to raise my offer or move on and they can decide if they want to miss the sale. A dealer by me was sitting on brand new '15 gt at the end of '15, it listed at $103k I offered him $83k he said no, I raised my offer to $89k, he said no... I walked away and 3 months later he was offering me the car for $82k.

[DZnutz]

Sure some people can't afford one but what does that have to do with getting the best price you can? If I was looking at a used viper and it had been priced lower before and on top of that it's been sitting for a while I would have offered much less than $77k, if they don't want it then I can decide if I want to raise my offer or move on and they can decide if they want to miss the sale. A dealer by me was sitting on brand new '15 gt at the end of '15, it listed at $103k I offered him $83k he said no, I raised my offer to $89k, he said no... I walked away and 3 months later he was offering me the car for $82k.

So you clearly bought the car right?

[ViperSRT]

Bad logic. You have no idea why it was for sale with the first place. Maybe a new Viper on order. Once that need passes the need to price for a quick sale ends. And counting time to sell in the winter is crazy with a summer only car. Hope you do the same with boats and are really unhappy all summer long. If you are waiting for depressed winter prices you may need to wait many months. Good luck. But lowest common denominator support for prices will not come from me (or shouldn't be from any owner).
BTW fair market value is fair for both buyer and seller, not just the buyer.

[mak1118]

So you clearly bought the car right?

No bought a '16 convertible Z06 9/2015 after they turned down my $89k offer and told me I should buy a corvette instead...:) Figured I would just keep the Z06 and then trade it in for an '18 Viper but then it got discontinued so now I'm stuck with 2 '16s and a '95.

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[ViperSRT]

The end of the Viper has been known for a long time in this community. When you bought a 2016 the writing was already dried so no 2018 then or now.

I suspect Viper prices are in a momentary lull right now as people sell their Gen V or Gen IV to get a 2017. That situation is about to end so sales will be less frequent, with fewer need to sell now situations. You will only be able to pry my hands off the wheel when they are no longer under my control. I suspect many owners will keep this generation much longer than prior gens.

Love the 1995. Purchased one new and wish I kept it.

[mak1118]

Bad logic. You have no idea why it was for sale with the first place. Maybe a new Viper on order. Once that need passes the need to price for a quick sale ends. And counting time to sell in the winter is crazy with a summer only car. Hope you do the same with boats and are really unhappy all summer long. If you are waiting for depressed winter prices you may need to wait many months. Good luck. But lowest common denominator support for prices will not come from me (or shouldn't be from any owner).
BTW fair market value is fair for both buyer and seller, not just the buyer.

The only thing I have to know is how much I am willing to pay for the car and they need to know how much they are willing to sell the car, if we can make a deal that works for both of us then fine, if not fine.
I should also say that I always buy new cars never used, well not for a very long time anyways, I know I'm going to take a big hit as soon as I take possession of that car so I try to take as much of that out as possible.

[mak1118]

The end of the Viper has been known for a long time in this community. When you bought a 2016 the writing was already dried so no 2018 then or now.

I suspect Viper prices are in a momentary lull right now as people sell their Gen V or Gen IV to get a 2017. That situation is about to end so sales will be less frequent, with fewer need to sell now situations. You will only be able to pry my hands off the wheel when they are no longer under my control. I suspect many owners will keep this generation much longer than prior gens.

Love the 1995. Purchased one new and wish I kept it.

I made them the offer for the '15 viper in August of 2015 and I bought the Z06 in September of 2015 and I didn't find out about the viper being discontinued until shortly after that. That's how they offered me it for $82k 3 months later because that's when I found out about the discontinuation. Sent them an e-mail about the car again and I guess they recognized the e-mail address because they called me at the house..:)
Btw, I love the Z06, great car, glad I bought it... it's my everyday car. Bought the '95 new also, 21,000 miles never been in the rain....told my wife I would sell it if I bought the '16 viper but when I put it up for sale I got 4 offers but I couldn't sell it... got attached.

[DZnutz]

[QUOTE=mak1118;288216]No bought a '16 convertible Z06 9/2015 after they turned down my $89k offer and told me I should buy a corvette instead...:) Figured I would just keep the Z06 and then trade it in for an '18 Viper but then it got discontinued so now I'm stuck with 2 '16s and a '95.

So I guess we have come full circle and now back to square one. If you actually own that 16 Viper then again, why oh why are you trying to beat up the price on any GEN V? that is beyond dumb

Another thing I dont understand is that some one insulted you by saying you should buy a corvette... so you go out and buy a corvette???

[ViperSRT]

Never in the rain. Guess you didn't go to VOI in Indy, Orlando or Nashville :).

Understand about the '16 now. Very early sale for that model year. BTW the dealer lost money on that car I expect. Not sure what the dealer cost for the lowest possible option car was but it had to be close to that.

I don't think anyone can prognosticate Viper sales prices in the future. But the annual down in the winter up in the spring is consistent year to year. With sales ending with a desirable model I would expect many that can buy a new one are doing just that. Only 4 more months of replacement sales to come ...

[mak1118]

[QUOTE=mak1118;288216]No bought a '16 convertible Z06 9/2015 after they turned down my $89k offer and told me I should buy a corvette instead...:) Figured I would just keep the Z06 and then trade it in for an '18 Viper but then it got discontinued so now I'm stuck with 2 '16s and a '95.

So I guess we have come full circle and now back to square one. If you actually own that 16 Viper then again, why oh why are you trying to beat up the price on any GEN V? that is beyond dumb

Another thing I dont understand is that some one insulted you by saying you should buy a corvette... so you go out and buy a corvette???


1--- I'm not trying to beat up on the car if that's what it seems like. I like to try and get the best price on anything a buy. When I buy a car I say to myself that money is gone, can I handle that, if the answer is yes then I buy it.

2-I was trying to decide if I wanted another viper or a Z06, was working with both dealers and that was the push... not necessarily because he said that but mainly because I wasn't going above $89k. I had just started reading this forum at the time and they were talking about problems with some of the engines so that is the main reason I didn't buy it when they offered it to me for $82k.

[mak1118]

Never in the rain. Guess you didn't go to VOI in Indy, Orlando or Nashville :).

Understand about the '16 now. Very early sale for that model year. BTW the dealer lost money on that car I expect. Not sure what the dealer cost for the lowest possible option car was but it had to be close to that.

I don't think anyone can prognosticate Viper sales prices in the future. But the annual down in the winter up in the spring is consistent year to year. With sales ending with a desirable model I would expect many that can buy a new one are doing just that. Only 4 more months of replacement sales to come ...


When I first bought it I lived in the Chicago area and could never drive it unless I was heading up near Wisconsin not to mention the weather, been in Arizona the last 14 years.

[mak1118]

I was working with an out of state Viper dealer and was gong to trade my Z06 in for a '17GT, had to send pictures in. The salesman said he had 2 offers for my Z06 and one was $63k and one was $65k. I told him no way would I do that deal, the car is worth more. He came back with $72k, I still said no... he sends me an e-mail and says a higher offer came in, $74,685. So I should have just taken the first offer $63k and not held my ground where I finally got an offer from the same dealer mind you for $74,685. Was he worried about me?

[slowhatch]

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[Codybby]

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Haha! Random question, what does it mean if a car has had R29 done but not R28? I searched the VIN# on the mopar recall site and it only shows R29.

[slowhatch]

Haha! Random question, what does it mean if a car has had R29 done but not R28? I searched the VIN# on the mopar recall site and it only shows R29.

First of all, thank you for bringing to my attention such a website exists--I was able to check all of my recalls and whether they had been performed.

Secondly, R29 means the driver side valve cover was replaced with a revised unit (fitted oem to the 2016+ cars) to stem off the oil consumption issues. R28 not complete meaning the dealer has not pulled off the oil filter and sent it off for analysis to SRT (to gauge whether the engine warrants replacement under warranty).

[Codybby]

First of all, thank you for bringing to my attention such a website exists--I was able to check all of my recalls and whether they had been performed.

Secondly, R29 means the driver side valve cover was replaced with a revised unit (fitted oem to the 2016+ cars) to stem off the oil consumption issues. R28 not complete meaning the dealer has not pulled off the oil filter and sent it off for analysis to SRT (to gauge whether the engine warrants replacement under warranty).

Well it appears that R28 wasn't even required on this particular car. The owner spoke to a dealer that said all recalls were completed, as well as R28 is not even listed on the mopar site for the VIN#. The car was purchased in late 2015, so is it possible that a later production car qualified for R29 but not R28?

On another note: If you want another cool site, replace the XXXXX with your vin# to get your window sticker. http://www.dodge.com/hostd/windowsticker/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin=XXXXX

Everyone else: This is the site I used to check the recalls and status https://www.mopar.com/en-us/my-vehicle/recalls.html

[AZTVR]

Well it appears that R28 wasn't even required on this particular car. .........................is it possible that a later production car qualified for R29 but not R28?

Yes, definitely, r28 was not applied to all 2013 and 2014 cars. FCA did not announce any detail; but, I assume that it is related to when the suspect engine component was produced, or when the engine was built, and not related to when the car was assembled.

Therefore, this car most likely does not have the 10 year powertrain warranty extension. You should verify that with a dealer.

[Codybby]

Yes, definitely, r28 was not applied to all 2013 and 2014 cars. FCA did not announce any detail; but, I assume that it is related to when the suspect engine component was produced, or when the engine was built, and not related to when the car was assembled.

Therefore, this car most likely does not have the 10 year powertrain warranty extension. You should verify that with a dealer.

Would not having R28 mean that the engine does not carry the risk of failure that was associated with R28? As I understand it R29 was simply a valve cover change. The the car is still covered under the factory 5 year/100k warranty until 2020 being that it was purchased new in 2015. There's also a 4 year / 60k extended warranty available for purchase from dodge.

[Dr.Ron]

I'm currently working out a private party deal on a similar car, 14' with 10k miles and no stories. I'm thinking that I can get it for 67-69k, I'm still working out the details. If anyone here has an unlimited carfax/autocheck I'll send you the VIN#

That car has to be the base SRT model, not a GTS...Right?
If it is a GTS it has to be a buy back or some story I'd think at that price.

Ron

[Codybby]

That car has to be the base SRT model, not a GTS...Right?
If it is a GTS it has to be a buy back or some story I'd think at that price.

Ron

Car is a GTS, I'm at 64k they are at 74.5k. I'm hoping we can meet in the middle somewhere which would put me around 70k.

Edit: Turns out he didn't want to haggle, so I'm back on the hunt!

[dev]

For those still looking, including OP

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?shopp erListingsSearch=20741524#listing=171886269
2013 Viper GTS ~2k miles ~76k

[Codybby]

For those still looking, including OP

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?shopp erListingsSearch=20741524#listing=171886269
2013 Viper GTS ~2k miles ~76k

Already sold.

[dev]

Wow. Only on the market for one day.

[Viper 2014]

Codybby, Thank you for sending me this Carfax on 2014 GTS, we listed on Ebay after 11h owner accepted an offer of $75,000. Viper's are in high demand.

[OneofOneViper]

Car is a GTS, I'm at 64k they are at 74.5k. I'm hoping we can meet in the middle somewhere which would put me around 70k... If you're looking for a GTS at 70k, you may want to change your search to an SRT base model. GTS's haven't gone below 75k in months now. Generally selling closer to 80k. 75k is a great deal on a GTS.

[ViperSmith]

That was a fire sale price

[element155]

i just bought my srt with 5000 mi fin the 60s 19 days ago if that helps for comparison

[OneofOneViper]

i just bought my srt with 5000 mi for $60,794.00 19 days ago if that helps for comparison

Either you got one hell of a deal or you got a branded title because vipers just don't sell that low without being branded by anyone who doesn't have to get rid of it in a fire sale.

[zee]

Would not having R28 mean that the engine does not carry the risk of failure that was associated with R28? As I understand it R29 was simply a valve cover change. The the car is still covered under the factory 5 year/100k warranty until 2020 being that it was purchased new in 2015. There's also a 4 year / 60k extended warranty available for purchase from dodge.

There is a lot of debate on this. I strongly feel that FCA has some rhyme and reason on issuing r28 to select cars. All vipers 2013-2015 got the R29 recall which was a consumption related issue(during aggressive turning) and was a simple valve cover change. Select vipers were issued r28 recall which is the oil contamination recall testing for metal shavings in your oil. Many people that passed r28 were still blowing motors so this is why I think FCA extended warranty to the r28 issued cars only vs those with just r29 issued. This leads me to believe that the r29 only issued cars are at less risk of motor issues. This data can perhaps be backed up by comparing the rate of failures for 2013-2014 r28 issued vipers to 2015-2017(of course newer cars won't have as many miles yet so need to make a fair comparison). Again, lots of debate around this. I chose to wait for a r29 issued only car with some miles on it to reduce the risk. I now have 10,200 miles and running very strong, 0 issues. The nice thing with r28 issued cars is you do get that extended warranty for free.

[Vietnamvetguy]

I have analyzed many 13 & 14 vin#, and all 2013 have the R28, and some 2014. I bought a new 14, and was told that it did not have the R28, because of production date. Mine was one of the late 2014 made 3/2014

[AZTVR]

i just bought my srt with 5000 mi for $60,794.00 19 days ago if that helps for comparison

No, it doesn't help in the least, unless you describe the circumstances of the sale. I have not seen a clean, no stories car for that kind of price on the retail market either by a dealer or private party.

[ACRSNK]

i just bought my srt with 5000 mi for $60,794.00 19 days ago if that helps for comparison

That's a strange number...care to provide some additional details on the car?

[ViperSmith]

No, it doesn't help in the least, unless you describe the circumstances of the sale. I have not seen a clean, no stories car for that kind of price on the retail market either by a dealer or private party.

Private fire sale?

[AZTVR]

i just bought my srt with 5000 mi for $60,794.00 19 days ago if that helps for comparison


No, it doesn't help, unless you describe the circumstances of the sale. I have not seen a clean, no stories car for that kind of price on the retail market either by a dealer or private party.


That's a strange number...care to provide some additional details on the car?


Private fire sale?

He answered these questions in the other pricing thread, posting that it was a Lemon law branded title car.

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/17845-Gen-5-pricing?p=290682&viewfull=1#post290682 (https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/17845-Gen-5-pricing?p=290682&viewfull=1#post290682)

[element155]

24903

buy back based on needing a driver mod, car makes no noises at 45 and doesn't stall at all.......someone didn't know how to drive or start the car well.

[slowhatch]

buy back based on needing a driver mod, car makes no noises at 45 and doesn't stall at all.......someone didn't know how to drive or start the car well.

I am glad the car is without fault in your hands but I find it hard to believe a manufacturer would lemon buy back a car based on personal anecdotes alone.

[OneofOneViper]

buy back based on needing a driver mod, car makes no noises at 45 and doesn't stall at all.......someone didn't know how to drive or start the car well.

Hah! Didn't know how to start the car well? Because the red button can be confusing to some?

[ViperSRT]

24903

buy back based on needing a driver mod, car makes no noises at 45 and doesn't stall at all.......someone didn't know how to drive or start the car well.
Or maybe it was fixed before resale???? Why assume incompetence on the part of the previous owner.

[swexlin]

Whining noise at 45? That's simply a diff need replacing - many of have had diffs replaced here. Sound like a dealer who couldn't diagnose an issue. A diff replacement needed is not a reason for buyback!

[ForTehNguyen]

keep in mind also its a lot easier to lemon in cali than other states

[AZTVR]

He also said in the other thread that the engine was replaced, so the lemon law might have been invoked due to the total amount of time that the car was spending at the dealership. As we know, the reason that folks like me avoid buyback cars is I would never be confident that the full story is known.

[ForTehNguyen]

lemon would apply only to a new car, if it changed owners it would be a buy back