Anyone put dive planes on a non ACR

[GTS21]

The pic of the Stryker Green GTS with the single dive planes really caught my attention....has anyone else done this? Hot or not? I assume the parts are big $$$$?

[Bleed viper]

I'm thinking of doing just the lower set. You can buy them here http://theviperstore.com/Viper5_Products_Performance_Body_Aero.htm. I think these are the Xtreme Supercars version. You can do just the upper, just the lower or both. But again, I am probably just going to do the lower so I don't pretend to be too much like the ACR.

[Dave1968]

Just a quick word. I wouldn't just start adding aero pieces because the factory aero is installed as a comprehensive package that has been tested for performance and functionality. Adding a little here and a little there will undermine the car's current aero design and could seriously destabilize your car.

[Bleed viper]

Just a quick word. I wouldn't just start adding aero pieces because the factory aero is installed as a comprehensive package that has been tested for performance and functionality. Adding a little here and a little there will undermine the car's current aero design and could seriously destabilize your car.

I agree, I'm planning on doing the TA 1.0 setup all at once, rear carbon spoiler and front splitters. And then possibly doing the lower dive plane only. I think this will be minor improvements and would not unbalance anything too much, instead of say sticking just the ACR wing to the back with nothing else! Since the spring rates and everything is different I think the TA1.0 version is the way to go for me.

[The_Ruski_Driver]

I'm thinking of doing just the lower set. You can buy them here http://theviperstore.com/Viper5_Products_Performance_Body_Aero.htm. I think these are the Xtreme Supercars version. You can do just the upper, just the lower or both. But again, I am probably just going to do the lower so I don't pretend to be too much like the ACR.

Those aren't the same design.


Just a quick word. I wouldn't just start adding aero pieces because the factory aero is installed as a comprehensive package that has been tested for performance and functionality. Adding a little here and a little there will undermine the car's current aero design and could seriously destabilize your car.

It's been discussed, "seriously destabilize" is seriously wrong. It will pose an indiscernible difference, unless you're sitting at 180 MPH+ often and for extended periods of time. Think about it, if it's that easy to create massive downforce with a tiny cannard, why isn't everyone doing it?

[Bleed viper]

Those aren't the same design.

Very true, I don't know who makes the ones in that picture, they look very small and almost entirely for looks since it doesn't appear they'd catch much air at all. Which is fine if that's what you are going for. The link I posted looks more in line with the styling that comes from the factory, except I think they say they are not clear coated, so one would probably want to do that.

[donk_316]

Yeah according to this forum and this forum only. Any addition or subtraction of any aero, no matter how insignificant, will equal a mad max type end of world scenario and only an ACR is capable of handling such intricate air flow nuances.

So yeah, add them. The TA2 has *gasp* two sets of front canards?! How is that possible!

[ViperJon]

Just a quick word. I wouldn't just start adding aero pieces because the factory aero is installed as a comprehensive package that has been tested for performance and functionality. Adding a little here and a little there will undermine the car's current aero design and could seriously destabilize your car.

Lmaooooo. Please stop regurgitating nonsense like this. Adding a pair of front canards is going to destabilize the car? At what....250 MPH?

[Voice of Reason]

Lmaooooo. Please stop regurgitating nonsense like this. Adding a pair of front canards is going to destabilize the car? At what....250 MPH?

When I added only the rear spoiler to my 13 Track Pack people on here warned me I was flirting with disaster due to front end imbalance. I can assure everyone that at 175 on a straight road in Mexico the car felt completely stable. The only people who are going to notice these minute adjustments in Aero are experienced drivers going 9/10 on a road course. Hell at one track event 2 years ago in my TA I had a blown front shock with no oil in it, it's amazing I'm alive to even type this.

[BJG32]

The pic of the Stryker Green GTS with the single dive planes really caught my attention....has anyone else done this? Hot or not? I assume the parts are big $$$$?

the stryker green car has Agency Power's version of the canards...fyi. Under $400/set.

[Special Ed]

Yeah according to this forum and this forum only. Any addition or subtraction of any aero, no matter how insignificant, will equal a mad max type end of world scenario and only an ACR is capable of handling such intricate air flow nuances.

So yeah, add them. The TA2 has *gasp* two sets of front canards?! How is that possible!

The TA2 only has one set and looking at the ones on my car and the viper store canards do not appear to be much different.

[v10viperbox]

Go ahead and add them. On my old full fat race-car I had the left set knocked off in a collision and while I could tell a difference when it was at a speed that honestly you are not going to get to on the street.

Now adding something like a ACR-E wing on the back without the front splitter or dive planes I am certain you could feel at around 100+. As to instability who knows, might make the front end a tad lighter.

[V10powerr]

anyone researched the difference bw agency and viper store canards? i love the way they look

[V10powerr]

also, any place in houston that can install them? i am not very handy lol

[TrackAire]

Lmaooooo. Please stop regurgitating nonsense like this. Adding a pair of front canards is going to destabilize the car? At what....250 MPH?

Agree 100%.....most people have no idea how canards work anyway. They think that they are actually providing poundage of down pressure on the front of the car. If anyone has doubts as to how much physical downforce a canard can produce, just go step on one and watch it snap off. Canards work more as flow diverters to get the airflow away from the front tires to better work with and make the rest of the aero package more effective.

[commandomatt]

Agree 100%.....most people have no idea how canards work anyway. They think that they are actually providing poundage of down pressure on the front of the car. If anyone has doubts as to how much physical downforce a canard can produce, just go step on one and watch it snap off. Canards work more as flow diverters to get the airflow away from the front tires to better work with and make the rest of the aero package more effective.

I just did what you said and went out and stepped on one....broke right off......now what ?

[The_Ruski_Driver]

I just did what you said and went out and stepped on one....broke right off......now what ?

Nice, now your warranty is voided.

[TrackAire]

I just did what you said and went out and stepped on one....broke right off......now what ?

Immediately, and I mean immediately go break off the opposite side canard.....if you drive with a uni-canard you are likely to lose total control of your car and end up in the ditch or into oncoming traffic!!

Good to know that my input on this forum probably saved multiple lives today.......

[Dman]

Agree 100%.....most people have no idea how canards work anyway. They think that they are actually providing poundage of down pressure on the front of the car. If anyone has doubts as to how much physical downforce a canard can produce, just go step on one and watch it snap off. Canards work more as flow diverters to get the airflow away from the front tires to better work with and make the rest of the aero package more effective.

This^^^ It is a funny thing here, ads a canard and you're going to fly off into space. I tracked my 13 with rear spoiler only and it felt perfect, even Ralph ran Storm with only the rear 1.0 aero for a while, he removed it due to visibility, and he never flew off track with it on.

Canards have really come into vogue, I say go for it. On the viper they're fairly subtle and a nice touch, and what the hec, help direct and evacuate air from the front wheel wells. What's not to like. As for preference,I haven't seen them in person, but I'd also check availability when you choose a vendor, just to make sure timeline is good for you.

[Dman]

Immediately, and I mean immediately go break off the opposite side canard.....if you drive with a uni-canard you are likely to lose total control of your car and end up in the ditch or into oncoming traffic!!

Good to know that my input on this forum probably saved multiple lives today.......

Wait, you mean uni-canards do exist?! Wow.

Haha

[7TH_SIGN]

I had the AP on mine.

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac26/7THSIGN_photos/DBD47095-1504-44A6-BE73-EB96BA6D17CE_zpshmujdjjl.jpg

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac26/7THSIGN_photos/E0760A89-1CB8-45D1-8243-2DBF64C7AFCF_zpsefu0dotg.jpg

[Arizona Vipers]

If you like the looks of it, do it. It's funny when people say it will affect the balance of the car etc. Unless you are tracking the car balls out you would never notice anything or care. Things like tire pressure would affect the car more. lol. I'd go with the Xtreme ones. They are excellent fit and finish and priced well and are exact copies of the ACR/TA 2.0

[V10powerr]

xtremes do look better

[Dave1968]

If you are going to add them, you should put both on each side because of the way the air interacts with them. They do create front end downforce as long as they are shaped and fastened at the correct angle of attack and at the appropriate curvature -which SOME are. Obviously you are not going to fly off the road with only one or if you lose one side - that's foolish. My comment was simple, install the complete setup instead of merely parts of it to give you the best possible results and avoid any destabilization of the car because the complete setup has been tested by the manufacturer and it works.

[ViperDC]

Adding a little here and a little there will undermine the car's current aero design and could seriously destabilize your car.

lol

[jellybone]

I too keep reading posts on here about how disaster is imminent when messing with adding aero, etc... However I remember watching a vid on youtube of Tommy Kendal about his comments on when they added a gourney flap to the Viper race car rear wing.. I think he said something to the affect that in his experience when messing around with adding some extra downforce, it's ALWAYS a good thing and he always goes a bit faster, even if the front/rear isn't balanced.. Take it for what it's worth..
Personally do what race teams do, put it on test it and see for yourself how it affects handling if at all, maybe you like it, maybe not, maybe your lap times benefit, maybe not.. but the more you do testing and dial in your car the faster or at least better feeling it will be. And it's about confidence, what one driver likes another may not, I might be faster than you with a certain type of setting, you may be faster with a different type.. Isn't that tuning/experimenting part of the fun too?
I think it makes us better drivers to be our own test pilots.. I should add test to the level of your ability too

[Dave1968]

lol

Yah yah OK. Maybe "seriously" is a little harsh, but you will screw it up if you don't do it right. You do want to do it right - don't you?

[TrackAire]

Oh boy....now I'm really starting to wonder if I should track the car with the windows up or windows down? Or, what if I only put one window down and leave the other up? Should I always have a passenger in the car of equal weight to insure correct weight balance? Fuel tank full or half full when on the track? Clean shaven or stubble beard for track days? With all these choices, I'm amazed these cars even make it around the track one lap without spinning wildly out of control.

[13COBRA]

Oh boy....now I'm really starting to wonder if I should track the car with the windows up or windows down? Or, what if I only put one window down and leave the other up?

Everyone knows to roll up and down your windows depending on which way the upcoming corner is going to take you.

[TrackAire]

Everyone knows to roll up and down your windows depending on which way the upcoming corner is going to take you.

You referring to Redneck Active Aero?......the really fast guys re-gear their window regulators for lightning fast up/down window activation. Only downfall is giving point-by's can leave you limbless.

[13COBRA]

You referring to Redneck Active Aero?......the really fast guys re-gear their window regulators for lightning fast up/down window activation. Only downfall is giving point-by's can leave you limbless.

I'm dying haha That's hysterical.