Need assistance valuing a Gen V

[SIK67SS]

New here, long story short I'm looking to buy a Gen V that was a manufacturer buyback (lemon law on title) but am unable to value it to know if it's priced high, correct or low. I've called a couple of lenders I regularly use for business and they are unable to find the VIN in the systems they use. I personally feel it's listed quite high, and on the VOA Facebook page a member thought so too. I'd appreciate any help any members could provide so I can be educated when I begin negotiating.

I'm not listing the vin (happy to PM everything) in this post because this is a public forum and I've already lost a couple other cars I've been interested in the last couple months.

Thanks to anyone willing to help,
Chris

[ViperPete]

How about Year, mileage and equipment to start....?

[SIK67SS]

2014 GTS 6500 miles. I'm not familiar with all of the standard equipment and what options automatically add other items but it looks to have the suede and leather inserts on the seats, no upgraded stereo, split spoke wheels (not the lightweight TA wheels), and customer preferred packages 2DA and 21A (not sure what those are). Everything else looks pretty standard, USB connect with Bluetooth, navigation, ierius XM etc.

[ViperPete]

Does it say GTS or TA on the car?

[Dman]

Do you know why it was bought back? That would matter to me in a big way. If not, you can go to mopar customer care website, go into chat and give them the vin and ask, I've done this and they can tell you what the reason was, although not a ton of detail. It would matter to me in value for ex I looked at one, and it was bought back due to 2 motor replacements, 2 diff replacements, 1 PCM replacement and electrical. That was waaaay too much. Sometimes it might be a buy back cause it sat waiting on an engine or a trans issue, which would be less drama and worth more. But, you're well under $70k for sure. It's a matter of how much, as the car is missing the HK upgrade and Laguna, which to me in a GTS it should have or it's really like a GT.

[SIK67SS]

GTS; no track pack or aero add-ons.

[camarochevy1970]

guessing it's this one

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=15222&modelCode1=SRTVIPER&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D15222%26showcas eOwnerId%3D0%26startYear%3D2014%26maxMileage%3D150 00%26numRecords%3D100%26endYear%3D2014%26modelCode List%3DSRTVIPER%252CVIPER%26makeCodeList%3DDODGE%2 52CSRT%26modelCode1%3DSRTVIPER%26mmt%3D%255BDODGE% 255BVIPER%255B%255D%255D%255B%255DSRT%255BSRTVIPER %255B%255D%255D%255B%255D%255D%26modelCode2%3DVIPE R%26makeCode2%3DDODGE%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceASC%2 6makeCode1%3DSRT%26firstRecord%3D0%26searchRadius% 3D0&showcaseOwnerId=0&startYear=2014&numRecords=100&makeCode1=SRT&firstRecord=0&endYear=2014&searchRadius=0&listingId=438471930&makeCode1=SRT&modelCode1=SRTVIPER

[texasram]

this one was bought back because of hood paint blistering

[SIK67SS]

Do you know why it was bought back? That would matter to me in a big way. If not, you can go to mopar customer care website, go into chat and give them the vin and ask, I've done this and they can tell you what the reason was, although not a ton of detail. It would matter to me in value for ex I looked at one, and it was bought back due to 2 motor replacements, 2 diff replacements, 1 PCM replacement and electrical. That was waaaay too much. Sometimes it might be a buy back cause it sat waiting on an engine or a trans issue, which would be less drama and worth more. But, you're well under $70k for sure. It's a matter of how much, as the car is missing the HK upgrade and Laguna, which to me in a GTS it should have or it's really like a GT.

Yes I have the paperwork. Nothing mechanical was reported in the buyback and has passed R28 & R29 (which apparently means nothing to some here).

[Purple Haze]

My two cents after studying pricing in the last six months and I'm still know very little compared to the pros here-didn't check the price posted.... $65,000 if no problems with the car. Neat colors...Close???

[ViperPete]

My car is a GTS with no upgraded HK or slotted rotors.... weirdly

[OneofOneViper]

If it's that one listed above, then at $68,500 it is a very fair priced viper. They don't sell for less than that on GTS so even with a dealer buyback you're getting right around the cheapest viper out there.

[bkrone]

guessing it's this one

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=15222&modelCode1=SRTVIPER&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D15222%26showcas eOwnerId%3D0%26startYear%3D2014%26maxMileage%3D150 00%26numRecords%3D100%26endYear%3D2014%26modelCode List%3DSRTVIPER%252CVIPER%26makeCodeList%3DDODGE%2 52CSRT%26modelCode1%3DSRTVIPER%26mmt%3D%255BDODGE% 255BVIPER%255B%255D%255D%255B%255DSRT%255BSRTVIPER %255B%255D%255D%255B%255D%255D%26modelCode2%3DVIPE R%26makeCode2%3DDODGE%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceASC%2 6makeCode1%3DSRT%26firstRecord%3D0%26searchRadius% 3D0&showcaseOwnerId=0&startYear=2014&numRecords=100&makeCode1=SRT&firstRecord=0&endYear=2014&searchRadius=0&listingId=438471930&makeCode1=SRT&modelCode1=SRTVIPER

Agreed, has to be this one. Van Horn buys them back all the time as it's the only version of the Viper they can sell (their words not mine) and make money on. I talked to them about an Orange TA last year but it sold the day before I went to the dealer.

[Vipes]

Seems to be priced reasonably without seeing the car in person, maybe offer 65k. I've seen some lemons go for high $50's but not a GTS.

[Bill Pemberton]

You have a PM.

[swexlin]

My car is a GTS with no upgraded HK or slotted rotors.... weirdly

I've always thought it weird that the full boat cars didn't get the upgraded StopTechs standard.

[TwinVipers]

offer him 60K and pay no more than 63-65K, it's a pain in the ass selling a viper, let alone one with a branded title!

[Stealth]

I've always thought it weird that the full boat cars didn't get the upgraded StopTechs standard.

By 2014 anyway, the GTS Cars did receive the upgraded 2-piece slotted rotors. The 18-speaker HK was a separate item.

[SIK67SS]

The problem I see for those of you who say it's priced fair is the title is branded Lemon. I can find non lemon Vipers for between 2-5k more. Generally Lemon cars (regardless of reason) are roughly 20-25% under normal market value. NADA shows low end for a 14 gts to be $61k, I would assume that means that was a lemon but can only speculate

[V10powerr]

i offered 62k plus ttl for that car. they said no. unless you plan to drive it or keep it for a long time, you have to factor in,
1. lower resale (thetas not as big a deal if you have priced that in) this point is pretty obvious
2. a much smaller market that buys branded vehicles and this results in a much longer time to sell
again for me, the number was 62 as i would have driven it a lot and for a long time. not saying that 62 is what the value should be, but made sense for me at 62 bc i was not looking to sell anytime soon.

[ViperPete]

Only way id buy a branded title car are:

1. Track car only
2. Have to be able to steal it. Like 50k.

[SIK67SS]

i offered 62k plus ttl for that car. they said no. unless you plan to drive it or keep it for a long time, you have to factor in,
1. lower resale (thetas not as big a deal if you have priced that in) this point is pretty obvious
2. a much smaller market that buys branded vehicles and this results in a much longer time to sell
again for me, the number was 62 as i would have driven it a lot and for a long time. not saying that 62 is what the value should be, but made sense for me at 62 bc i was not looking to sell anytime soon.

Thank you, I sent a PM

[OneofOneViper]

Thank you, I sent a PM

It has to be worth it to you, but if you're looking for a GTS viper under 65k, expect to wait a long time. Branded lemon or not, if they dropped the price to 62K all sorts of people would buy it because you have people that plan to own it forever, people looking for the best price around, people just out of the price target at close to 70k that might be able to afford the 62k etc... I'm not saying you might not be able to squabble and get it for 67k or something like that, but I can't imagine any dealer willing to cut their price that drastically when there are no other cars on the market at that price. That is the lowest priced GTS for sale currently. Good luck trying to get them to go lower.

[Dman]

Yea. I've talked to them before also on a car I was considering for a track day toy, and they reached out to me on this one a bit ago. $68,500 is too much but not by much. I'd not go more than $65k if red was also my color of choice. Reselling will be very tough, so just keep that in mind. If it's for you for a while and that price is the way to get into a gen5 then it's a decent option IMO. You can find occasion deals in the low $70s, not branded, but that 10% price difference can be a no-go if you're budget is tight.

[Boosted Motorsports]

The red Viper for sale on facebook listed for around $67,000 with clean title just sold not too long ago. Can't remember the exact specs or year but as the OP stated clean titles can be found for low 70s so for a branded title I would agree it needs to be a lot lower.

[SIK67SS]

Just trying to maximize the car per my budget. I don't plan on getting this car (or whatever I get) to collect it..i have those, I plan on getting one to drive it right now. At 62+ asking and being a branded title, it's not worth it to me. If this doesn't pan out then I look at some of the other Gen Vs on the market at barely higher prices or go back to looking at 996/7tt's that have clear titles. Heck, there's a Rossion Q1 that peaks my interest too. My first post was vague because as I said, I've almost pulled the trigger on a couple cars and had them sell out from under me

[Vipes]

The problem I see for those of you who say it's priced fair is the title is branded Lemon. I can find non lemon Vipers for between 2-5k more. Generally Lemon cars (regardless of reason) are roughly 20-25% under normal market value. NADA shows low end for a 14 gts to be $61k, I would assume that means that was a lemon but can only speculate

Where do you find a clean title GTS 14' for 70k? Most are 80k+. I've seen fire sales for 70k for a base model 14' but rarely. But if you think the same car with a clean title is only worth low 70s then yeah, the buyback is only worth high 50's.

[BJG32]

The red Viper for sale on facebook listed for around $67,000 with clean title just sold not too long ago. Can't remember the exact specs or year but as the OP stated clean titles can be found for low 70s so for a branded title I would agree it needs to be a lot lower.

It was a base '13 with 12k miles no stripes and red. Not a GTS. $68K seems like a great deal for this GTS. Not sure how a title gets branded for paint on the hood only. My engine blew up and my title isn't branded.

[camarochevy1970]

If the owner got fca to buy it back because of bad paint on the hood the title gets branded as a buy back.

[ViperJon]

How can paint on a hood be so unfixable in multiple attempts they have to buy it back? More to that story.

[SIK67SS]

Where do you find a clean title GTS 14' for 70k? Most are 80k+. I've seen fire sales for 70k for a base model 14' but rarely. But if you think the same car with a clean title is only worth low 70s then yeah, the buyback is only worth high 50's.

theres a 15 GT in california for 72.9
a 15 GT at Roanoke for 74.9
classifieds here has a 13 GTS for 71 and a 15 SRT for 76.5

Just a quick search. They're out there. Hence no way this should sell for close to 70 IMO. I'm not trying to de-value anybody elses cars here. Paint/Hood problem or not, the title will always be branded as a Lemon. Thus, IMO it should go for a steal- which it doesn't sound like the dealer is willing to let it go for. Which brings me back to my original post- a Lemon titled Gen V value- it can't be 68.5 so I was reaching out to some of the experts here on what the value of this car should be.

[SIK67SS]

How can paint on a hood be so unfixable in multiple attempts they have to buy it back? More to that story.

there's always more to every story. My best guess is that it was a bad composite. Another post in here mentioned the paint was blistering. Could have been a bad spray (although that's fixable), but if it were the composite hood itself, that's not without replacing the hood (which is what has been done)

[dadeuce]

theres a 15 GT in california for 72.9
a 15 GT at Roanoke for 74.9
classifieds here has a 13 GTS for 71 and a 15 SRT for 76.5

Just a quick search. They're out there. Hence no way this should sell for close to 70 IMO. I'm not trying to de-value anybody elses cars here. Paint/Hood problem or not, the title will always be branded as a Lemon. Thus, IMO it should go for a steal- which it doesn't sound like the dealer is willing to let it go for. Which brings me back to my original post- a Lemon titled Gen V value- it can't be 68.5 so I was reaching out to some of the experts here on what the value of this car should be.

Just to clarify, the 13 for 71 is an SRT, not a GTS. Unless I am looking at the wrong one. It is a track pack car, which is good.

[OneofOneViper]

theres a 15 GT in california for 72.9
a 15 GT at Roanoke for 74.9
classifieds here has a 13 GTS for 71 and a 15 SRT for 76.5

Just a quick search. They're out there. Hence no way this should sell for close to 70 IMO. I'm not trying to de-value anybody elses cars here. Paint/Hood problem or not, the title will always be branded as a Lemon. Thus, IMO it should go for a steal- which it doesn't sound like the dealer is willing to let it go for. Which brings me back to my original post- a Lemon titled Gen V value- it can't be 68.5 so I was reaching out to some of the experts here on what the value of this car should be.

All these prices I would say are very accurate and on-point for a low side price on a viper. If you don't think 68.5 is a good enough deal to have a branded license, then I suggest ponying up the extra cash to get one that has a clean title because I don't see you getting a better deal than that.

[BRACR]

Talk to Bill Pemberton......he will provide the most help since he obviously knows Viper prices.

[7TH_SIGN]

How can paint on a hood be so unfixable in multiple attempts they have to buy it back? More to that story.

The paint on my hood blistered as well. Also on the hinge cover panels. Prefix sent me the hinge cover panels which I replaced myself. For the hood, Prefix drove all the way from Michigan to Virginia and replaced the hood in my driveway.

Prefix blamed the paint issues on the supplier FCA choose to manufacture the body components, stating they were poor quality.



To the OP, I personally wouldn't purchase a lemon car or buy back.

[darbgnik]

Where do you find a clean title GTS 14' for 70k? Most are 80k+. I've seen fire sales for 70k for a base model 14' but rarely. But if you think the same car with a clean title is only worth low 70s then yeah, the buyback is only worth high 50's.

While I agree I theory, it seems as though reality is different. They say there is an ass for every seat, and some asses seem to think a 5K discount is enough to get into a Gen V. As long as these cars that are being marketed 5K below market eventually sell, there seems to be no reason for the sellers to market them 15K below the going rate. Seems a guy has to go dealer auction hunting to get that much off.

No matter how many people say they would never buy a lemon titled car, all it takes is that one guy, apparently. :confused:

[Donato]

Unless you plan on paying cash, I think financing on cars with branded titles is a bit more challenging.

[Leslie]

Call Woodhouse. Ask for Bill.
I only buy from people I know are considered the best in Viper sales.

[mnc2886]

The paint on my hood blistered as well. Also on the hinge cover panels. Prefix sent me the hinge cover panels which I replaced myself. For the hood, Prefix drove all the way from Michigan to Virginia and replaced the hood in my driveway.

Prefix blamed the paint issues on the supplier FCA choose to manufacture the body components, stating they were poor quality.



To the OP, I personally wouldn't purchase a lemon car or buy back.

That's not exactly wonderful to read....

I felt the build quality was very good, especially for its price range.

[Kouasupra]

I'm also in the market as well, and offer $65k for this car. They said "no" to my offer. I wasn't going to spend close to $70k for a lemon car. My brother in law drove 15 minutes to this dealership and obtain more photos for me. According to him there's a bit of a rust under the car and it's left outside on their lot. I was a bit disappointed.

[Bill Pemberton]

Be happy to sell you guys one of the two high quality , no story cars we have in stock ( one owners). Sure a bit more, but then not vehicles with concerns -- and Woodhouse Motorsports has already gone over both of the cars, all updates done and ready to rock and roll.

Best number , always, is my cell -- 402-677-5864

[Vipes]

theres a 15 GT in california for 72.9
a 15 GT at Roanoke for 74.9
classifieds here has a 13 GTS for 71 and a 15 SRT for 76.5

Just a quick search. They're out there. Hence no way this should sell for close to 70 IMO. I'm not trying to de-value anybody elses cars here. Paint/Hood problem or not, the title will always be branded as a Lemon. Thus, IMO it should go for a steal- which it doesn't sound like the dealer is willing to let it go for. Which brings me back to my original post- a Lemon titled Gen V value- it can't be 68.5 so I was reaching out to some of the experts here on what the value of this car should be.

Gotcha, I didn't realize there were deals that good out there!

[braunstein82]

I think a 14 gts lemon with $140k msrp, stripes, srt hood, HK, upgraded leather, alcantara and 6500 miles is worth $75k. Especially if the buyback for for some radio electric thing. ��

[ViperSmith]

You can get no story cars for decent prices. Mine is not listed but I am looking to sell my 15 SRT for 71k, there are a few other SRTs in the 70's range.

Avoid a branded title like that if you can. Vipers are hard enough to sell in perfect condition.

They are tempting to buy - but not enough of a discount

[Bill Pemberton]

My apologies to those of you that called , as the pictures of the Red GTS with the Track Package , were not up. They are now ( www.woodhouse.com , click Dodge then Viper ) and I am out of the office so call my cell for any other questions. The straps on the seat are part of the harness belts ( shoulder straps are behind each seat ) , though the car never was tracked due to a health issue. One owner, and the right stuff on a GTS with said track package.

402-677-5864 cell . If you text me , please leave me your name , or I can be emailed at billpemberton@woodhouse.com --have access to that almost all the time.

[ViperSmith]

My apologies to those of you that called , as the pictures of the Red GTS with the Track Package , were not up. They are now ( www.woodhouse.com , click Dodge then Viper ) and I am out of the office so call my cell for any other questions. The straps on the seat are part of the harness belts ( shoulder straps are behind each seat ) , though the car never was tracked due to a health issue. One owner, and the right stuff on a GTS with said track package.

402-677-5864 cell . If you text me , please leave me your name , or I can be emailed at billpemberton@woodhouse.com --have access to that almost all the time.

Great price on that car bill!

[Terminator02]

The problem I see for those of you who say it's priced fair is the title is branded Lemon. I can find non lemon Vipers for between 2-5k more. Generally Lemon cars (regardless of reason) are roughly 20-25% under normal market value. NADA shows low end for a 14 gts to be $61k, I would assume that means that was a lemon but can only speculate

You can't go off just nada. Too many variables. GTS rarely would ever go for 61 branded or not. You keep only responding to people that don't agree with a value you already have given it but you made a post asking about value! You quoted someone who asked where you can get clean GTS cars and then quote an srt and two GT cars! If you think you should get a buy back GTS for 20-25% of 61k that's ridiculous. Many viper buy backs are harmless and while it may be a lower resale, it's a lower entry too. Many people, at a low enough price will buy the buy back in a second because they will track the car or keep it forever and aren't thinking about resale. Under 60k and you can bet that car will be bought from under you....probably from people reading this thread.

[Dman]

theres a 15 GT in california for 72.9
a 15 GT at Roanoke for 74.9
classifieds here has a 13 GTS for 71 and a 15 SRT for 76.5

Just a quick search. They're out there. Hence no way this should sell for close to 70 IMO. I'm not trying to de-value anybody elses cars here. Paint/Hood problem or not, the title will always be branded as a Lemon. Thus, IMO it should go for a steal- which it doesn't sound like the dealer is willing to let it go for. Which brings me back to my original post- a Lemon titled Gen V value- it can't be 68.5 so I was reaching out to some of the experts here on what the value of this car should be.

I'm a 18 year viper guy and I've always managed to find or fall into awesome deals on vipers. They're out there. You've found 3-4 already. All of those are total steals. You posted that at $62 it's not worth it to you and another poster said he offered $62 and they said no, so this car is out of your target price range. The only viper I've seen under $62k was one that was totaled, and that was just barely. The thing with vipers is, you find 3 that are steals but there are also plenty used vipers that are asking MSRP. You have to look at the range, IMO there is no range below $68ish, and those are going to be branded cars, or guys highly motivated to sell quickly, or base cars, SRTs, that priced some $40-50k less than fully loaded cars. To be as helpful as possible to you orig post, my opinion stands that the car is worth about $65k, they won't go $62, so there's your range, $62-65k for that car, so it's not what you're looking for. Those other clear title cars are amazing deals with solid owners who are known, like I said before the price difference isn't much but can certainly make it a no go for someone, but IMO, these are as good/low as it gets, and we're mid winter when viper sellers are highest motivated, spring will only push prices up and as we run out of new stock, I believe prices will tick up further again, and I'm seriously conservative on viper pricing, FWIW.

[commandomatt]

I cant wait for the day that the Viper line is shut down, the cars available for sale are far fewer and these constant threads about low balling will end.

At that point there will probably be plenty of prospective buyers that will kick themselves for not having pulled the trigger instead of having countless arguments about what something is worth

I supposed there will always be an opportunity to drag the bottom for a Vette when we get to that point

[harley56]

Here's one at dealer in Wisconsin. '13 GTS original msrp of $133,490 http://application.chryslerworld.com/details2.php?d=1&t=0&v=1C3ADEBZ9DV400461

[Purple Haze]

Seems like a good deal to me but a photo would help...


Here's one at dealer in Wisconsin. '13 GTS original msrp of $133,490 http://application.chryslerworld.com/details2.php?d=1&t=0&v=1C3ADEBZ9DV400461