Where do I get this paint

[Mark1107]

My ACR did NOT come with the neon green stripe on the tire/rim to follow the tires moving during a track day auto cross? Where can I find a permanent ink/paint to put on my rim/valve stem/tires?

Thank you guys and gals.

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[7TH_SIGN]

Is this a joke?

[steve911]

It's a manufacturing sticker

[Mark1107]

Let me clarify fellas, no it isn't a joke. I'm not talking about the GTS-r sticker 22234

[Mark1107]

The only place I've ever found that type of paint is when they mark parts at a junkyard or pick a part. I'm wanting to know how to locate the neon green paint stripe ON THE TIRE AND RIM!!

[Arizona Vipers]

That's weird that your car didn't have it. My ACR did.
You can use this-
https://www.amazon.com/Markal-Marking-Temporary-Temperature-Diameter/dp/B008980V3G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1484022797&sr=8-2&keywords=tire+chalk

That being said, if you are pushing the car hard on the track, they WILL move, there's no way around it.

[Mnsrt]

This isn't paint, its a sticker that's on the rim and one that's on the tire it serves no purpose outside of mounting the tire on the rim.

[Mark1107]

Umm Mnsrt, you are mistaken. Arizona Vipers you are correct. Thank you. Mnsrt, it tells you your tires are moving out of balance after auto x and track events, lol.

[donk_316]

Unreal.
Now the ACR has racing tire / rim paint...

This is a manufacturing mark for mounting tires on rims done by almost every manufacture of anything with tires...

Unless my Ford truck and RZR are both made for racing and no one told me.

[Dan Cragin]

We often use paint markers on the rear tire and rim to see if the tire moves on the rim during drag race launches. Thats the only reason you would want to do this.

[Mark1107]

You guys challenging me on this are hilarious! I love it. Your getting your panties in a bunch over something simple but effective to my car. It has nothing to do with mounting tires, lol. It has everything to do tracking your ACR. I can't wait for more knowledgeable forum members to speak up. You guys are funny. Keep the disbelief coming. I need to make America Great Again!

[Mark1107]

Thank you Dan. It's also for tire creep on rims after autox events.

[Mark1107]

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Most Extremes come with it. True track rats tell me they have to get their tires balanced after a couple of events with tires moving so much after autox and track events.

To all of the haters: Do you really think FCA is lazy about mounting tires and leave that on a 150k car? Lol. Keep smoking the Hillary weed. I love it.

[ACRucrazy]

I have had a few sets of ACR wheels and Sidewinder II wheels. All purchased new in the box from the dealer. They had the same yellow sticker on the wheel when it was wrapped in package.

When I had the tires mounted by a local tire shop, he used the sticker on the wheel and a marker on the tire to do the road force balancing. I asked him about it because I've never seen it done. Something to do with rotating the tire on the rim for balancing.

Take it for what it's worth.

[SRTViperSD]

Tell me this is a joke.

[darbgnik]

Haters? Because they don't know why you want this paint mark?

If you really care about tire rotation on the wheel, any paint marker will do. If you're looking for concourse markings, I can understand why you're looking for the specific type. FWIW any tracked car can have the tires rotate while on track, it isn't an ACR specific issue.

[nx91notch]

OK those yellow stickers on the rim and tire from the factory are not what you (the OP) think they are for.

Yes the track rats in this thread are correct. Marking your tire and the rim to check if the tire is spinning on the rim is a normal practice.

But the the stickers that come on these tires from the factory are not there to check for that. They are used as a guide to mount the tires. No tires are perfectly round...so the tire company marks the tires at their low balance point. In turn the wheel manufacture does the same and marks the low spot on the wheel. Line the stickers up and in theory that is the best the wheel and tire will balance out.

http://www.tirebusiness.com/article/20070813/ISSUE/308139967/are-you-seeing-dots-those-color-coded-sidewall-markings-serve-a

These yellow stickers come on every single FCA car from mini vans, patriots, jeeps, etc.

Sure if you want to leave them on and use them as a tire spin guide go for it. But from the factory that was not what the intention of these stickers are for.

[FLATOUT]

I really hope this is a weak troll attempt.

[Scott_in_fl]

This has to be the best thread of the year!!! ROTFLMAO

[NT-ACR]

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Most Extremes come with it. True track rats tell me they have to get their tires balanced after a couple of events with tires moving so much after autox and track events.

To all of the haters: Do you really think FCA is lazy about mounting tires and leave that on a 150k car? Lol. Keep smoking the Hillary weed. I love it.

Is that Instagram post from Andy of VE? If so, he needs to be more selective with his hashtags. Yolo? Ferrari? GTR? Hemi? Mustang? Hellcat? Porsche? Lamborghini? Camaro?

How the heck are these hashtags relevant to the video in the post?

[Scott_in_fl]

Okay, let's clue everyone in. I've spent more than my fair share of time in racing paddocks and with most of the tire distributors.

Neither tires, nor rims, are perfectly balanced from the factory. Unless you've done it in advance, your tire installer will spin the rim on the balancer and mark its heavy spot (usually at the valve, but not always). The racing tires in his truck are marked by the manufacturer at their light spot. The installer matches up the marks when he mounts the tire to the rim, and you at least get as close as possible to having a naturally balanced tire/wheel. He then does a final balance and hopefully does not have to add too much weight.

Now, that's roadracing. The autox guys may mark their tires/wheel for the slip of the tire along the wheel bead. High HP cars can do this, and I suppose it can happen on braking too. The problem is that there's not much you can do about it, even if you notice it happening on your car. You need to change the wheel. Recall that GTR's came out with a splined edge on the inside of the wheel rim to grab against the bead of the tire. Other street cars started showing up with this feature as well. My hunch is that ACR wheels already incorporate this.

So, if the ACR wheel already has it, marking this with paint to measure slip is wasting your time (unless it is so bad, that you are going to buy other rims -- but we would have heard about a significant issue from others by now), unless you just want your car to look more like a racecar.

As for what paint do they use? Really? How about anything that you can easily remove from your painted rim? Neon green, blue, red, hot pink... whatever floats your boat. Hell, get some plasti-dip so that you can remove it easily. I suppose tape could work too.

This thread was fun while it lasted :)

[XSnake]

It's not paint and you don't want the factory stickers as they will just fall off when heated up. You do realize the ACR wheels are internally ribbed on the inner barrel to prevent tire movement on the wheel right?

https://www.grainger.com/product/5DYU9?gclid=CKLrsYXct9ECFci1wAodQOwELg&cm_mmc=PPC:GOOGLEPLAA-_-Fleet%20and%20Vehicle%20Maintenance-_-Tire%20and%20Wheel-_-5DYU9&AL!2966!3!166588197721!!!g!82495734597!&s_kwcid=AL!2966!3!166588197721!!!g!82495734597!&ef_id=WHTmZwAAAUrzI4PX:20170110134927:s

Hope you can afford this stuff.

[commandomatt]

You guys challenging me on this are hilarious! I love it. Your getting your panties in a bunch over something simple but effective to my car. It has nothing to do with mounting tires, lol. It has everything to do tracking your ACR. I can't wait for more knowledgeable forum members to speak up. You guys are funny. Keep the disbelief coming. I need to make America Great Again!

Now that more knowledgeable members have spoken, it will be interesting the see the response from the OP that insist on calling them ignorant

Great thread to follow while it's snowing outside.

[NT-ACR]

Also, everyone giving Mark a hard time is being ridiculous. Obviously, you guys are either track newbies or don't push the limits of your vehicles.

Only real drivers use the technique he is talking about, so it's not surprising most of you would be unaware of it.

Too many of you guys are more concerned about waxing your snake or making videos about street racing than actually pushing these cars to their limits in their natural habitat- the track!!!

I actually pity you guys because you're missing out on true driving nirvana. The Viper is the last true "driver's car." Where else can you get a massive engine, sexy body, world-class interior, and MANUAL transmission? You can't because manufactures are pandering to the wimps of the world, not listening to real men like us!!

Gentleman, you'd better sell every possession you own before you let go of your snake. These babies are going to rocket up in value just like the Ford GT did and you won't want to be on the sidelines when it does. Literally, the most secure investment you can make outside of insider trading!!

#I'mwithMark

[Snorman]

lol at this entire thread.
As pointed out, those are stickers, not tire chalk. Tire chalk is mostly used by drag racers to determine if the tire is rotating on the wheel during launch, thereby sacrificing torque transmitted to the ground and 60' times. If it's determined the tire is moving, then they can be screwed or a move to beadlocks is warranted. Tire chalk is also used to help determine effective tire pressures by marking the shoulder and determining sidewall rollover. However, most informed people use a pyrometer and closely observe tire wear from session to session.
As XSnake noted, the ACR wheels are knurled. In another thread I posted pics of my spare set before tires were mounted. The tire would only move under braking, you're not accelerating hard enough on-track, nor is the surface sticky enough (or maybe even the ACR powerful enough) to spin the tire on the wheel. And even if it did...so what? Are you going to run out to a tire shop and have it re-balanced between sessions or track days.
And why is it always the guys who have done a couple of track days or who have very limited time on track talking down to other owners about what they do with their cars? NT-ACR...let's see all of your track videos. In any car. Ever.
S.

[bluesrt]

I usually take a sledgehammer and smash the bead of the wheel into the tire, then drill in some screws into the beads that i got from john force---- just drive the car and stop being a pussy

[donk_316]

Snorman.... NT-ACR post was dripping with sarcasm.

Anyways my car is so powerful that I have to rotate the rims inside the tire to preheat the tire for powerful launches. If I add a dab of paint it will throw my balance off and I'll toss my half shafts.

[bluesrt]

mount the fronts on the back,and back on the fronts:lol2:

[ACR]

Interesting that mine does not have them

[AZTVR]

Interesting that mine does not have them

I would suspect that a detail oriented person might remove them when prepping the car at a dealership. Others might leave them on there.

[bluesrt]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Mark1107]

Thank you everyone for sharing. I appreciate the ribbing and jokes and the info. I guess I was wrong. No big deal. I was told by a trusted track guy I know that the marks were a good indicator when the tire moves that you should check your balancing of your tires after hard track days. I've tracked my ACR once and Autox it once. It did feel like one of the rears was out of balance. Since the collective viper nation has spoken and thinks I'm an idiot, I'll let this thread die, lol.

[Vegaskid]

They came with my new wheels and Andy promised they add an extra 10 hp.

Best news is that I did not notice it listed on the build sheet so I think I'm sitting on a true 1 of 1

[ACRucrazy]

I would suspect that a detail oriented person might remove them when prepping the car at a dealership. Others might leave them on there.

Funny you say that because the stickers say "peel" on them..

[commandomatt]

Mine didn't have them either.

Should I send back to Woodhouse for warranty or just pursue for Lemon status ?

[Snorman]

If you're tracking the car even semi-regularly the front tires won't last long enough to worry about them being out of balance if they move slightly on the wheel.
S.

[bluesrt]

track tires will get rubber build up inside of wheel, on the tire treadwear part,you have to clean them on the inside of barrel, and clean the tread once getting back on the track,scrub them with the track/ lots of little tricks to the trade here,just drive that bitch,it will all level out

[nx91notch]

I understand what the OP was trying to get at. He wants to mark the tires to see if there is tire slip on the rim. You're not an idiot lol. It's a very common practice.

It's just that the specific stickers you pointed out and were looking for are just there to help guide the tire mounting process at the factory. The engineers didn't design them into the build of the car to keep an eye on tire spin.

And the brutal internet got a hold of it and had fun lol :witless:

[bluesrt]

maybe we should get a tv screen in the car to watch them,if tire movement accours,we shall pull over and have a pit stop,pull the tires and remount them

[ViperGeorge]

Many Vipers at Hastings last year spun tires on rims. They could see it clearly after I marked their tires and mine with a paint stick from O'Reilys. Just put a mark on the tire by the valve stem. The Hoosiers on my TA 2.0 moved like 6 inches. Even stock ACRs with Kumhos were spinning tires on rims despite having a spline on the wheel's inside. Nothing you can do about it. Although I wonder if after mounting the tire to the rim you could clean off that lubricant they put on the tire bead before they seal the tire to the rim. Maybe the lubricant contributes to tire rotation on the rim. In any event makes you wonder why we even bother balancing the tires in the first place. One track session and the tire will be out of balance. High end drag racers do screw the tires to the rims to prevent this but who would do that to a Viper?

OP's original reason for asking about the sticker was a legitimate question. He just assumed the stickers were there for that purpose of monitoring wheel spin on the rim. An honest mistake. So let's give him a brake. Remember when you were new to some of this stuff? I'm sure you asked a lot of what now might seem like silly questions. I know I did.

Also a good idea to put a paint mark on each tire for each heat cylce they've gone through. You can then track wear and how many cycles before the tires go bye bye. I've got about 10 heat cycles on my Hoosiers and they are starting to get pretty toasty.

[FLATOUT]

Is that Instagram post from Andy of VE? If so, he needs to be more selective with his hashtags. Yolo? Ferrari? GTR? Hemi? Mustang? Hellcat? Porsche? Lamborghini? Camaro?

How the heck are these hashtags relevant to the video in the post?

Yes they are mine. It's not about total relevance to the actual video but more about cross posting and taging. If you look at most major accounts on IG you'll see the same thing. There are a bunch of Camaro owners that love to look at Vipers and etc etc.

Andy

[Vegaskid]

non factory paint or stickers will void warranty

[darbgnik]

Many Vipers at Hastings last year spun tires on rims. They could see it clearly after I marked their tires and mine with a paint stick from O'Reilys. Just put a mark on the tire by the valve stem. The Hoosiers on my TA 2.0 moved like 6 inches. Even stock ACRs with Kumhos were spinning tires on rims despite having a spline on the wheel's inside. Nothing you can do about it. Although I wonder if after mounting the tire to the rim you could clean off that lubricant they put on the tire bead before they seal the tire to the rim. Maybe the lubricant contributes to tire rotation on the rim. In any event makes you wonder why we even bother balancing the tires in the first place. One track session and the tire will be out of balance. High end drag racers do screw the tires to the rims to prevent this but who would do that to a Viper?

OP's original reason for asking about the sticker was a legitimate question. He just assumed the stickers were there for that purpose of monitoring wheel spin on the rim. An honest mistake. So let's give him a brake. Remember when you were new to some of this stuff? I'm sure you asked a lot of what now might seem like silly questions. I know I did.

Also a good idea to put a paint mark on each tire for each heat cylce they've gone through. You can then track wear and how many cycles before the tires go bye bye. I've got about 10 heat cycles on my Hoosiers and they are starting to get pretty toasty.

This thought probably has some merit, I'd think. Every year I go rock crawling in Moab with my H1, where beadlocks are recommended, but not necessary. (I have true beadlocks in 2 piece wheels, but others don't.) More than once a guy has lost a bead, where others didn't, with newly mounted tires. It's always been our guess, that the tire gel helped the tire move off the bead. On the plus side, the left over tire gel sure makes it easier getting it back on the bead too!

[ViperGeorge]

This thought probably has some merit, I'd think. Every year I go rock crawling in Moab with my H1, where beadlocks are recommended, but not necessary. (I have true beadlocks in 2 piece wheels, but others don't.) More than once a guy has lost a bead, where others didn't, with newly mounted tires. It's always been our guess, that the tire gel helped the tire move off the bead. On the plus side, the left over tire gel sure makes it easier getting it back on the bead too!

I've been to Moab in my Rubicon but I don't have bead locks. Those trails are crazy too, never thought a Jeep could do what it does. For sure.

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[bluesrt]

now its a jeep/beadlock truck thread

[darbgnik]

I've been to Moab in my Rubicon but I don't have bead locks. Those trails are crazy too, never thought a Jeep could do what it does. For sure.

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That's one route through the wedgie you took with your Jeep, I take a different route usually, the black rubber marks. lol
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In the below pic, if you look at the rear passenger side tire, you can clearly see why beadlocks are recommended.
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Nice to see all kinds of automotive enthusiasts on here!

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[FLATOUT]

non factory paint or stickers will void warranty

Glad to see you are paying attention :D


now its a jeep/beadlock truck thread

I just keeps getting better:D

[bluesrt]

hey andy you think you can hook me up with some beadlocks for my acr-e ? and some all terrain tires in case I run off track? will it handle ok?

[darbgnik]

hey andy you think you can hook me up with some beadlocks for my acr-e ? and some all terrain tires in case I run off track? will it handle ok?

That's the spirit! This thread was already off the tracks before myself and George sent it into the weeds. :)

[BlueAdder]

:fpopcorn:

[ACRucrazy]

now its a jeep/beadlock truck thread

Let me get it back on track.

[BlueAdder]

Actually...

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The Viper Tech got rid of it before I picked up the car :D

[Mark1107]

This has turned into an interesting thread. I've been to Moab 3x and loved it. The Golden Spike/Golden Crack were a blast. 22267

[Mark1107]

One more fav pic of the LaSal Mountains in Moab22268

[Mark1107]

Bummer all of the trolls dont want to respond to me anymore? Lol.

[bluesrt]

tell us some more dumb stuff and we will respond..lol:witless:

[texasram]

My only entertainment all day

[bkrone]

hey andy you think you can hook me up with some beadlocks for my acr-e ? and some all terrain tires in case I run off track? will it handle ok?

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[bluesrt]

lol

[Special Ed]

The best thread I've read in a long time. It doesn't have the dome and gloom vibe that three particular people just feed on.