2017 ACR Final Edition GTS R on Ebay

[Lizzardking308]

They want $249,500 for it. Wow....

[Arizona Vipers]

Not a very smart dealer lol.. They didn't even mention "ACR" in the subject line so not easy to find.
Here's the link- http://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Dodge-Viper-GTS-R-Final-Edition-/142226673811

[ViperPete]

Damn id love ot have that car

[ViperJon]

They're some kind of exotic car boutique dealer with eight cars in stock. Good luck.

[Policy Limits]

Wouldn't sell mine for double that

[ViperGeorge]

Wouldn't sell mine for double that

You should, then you would be able to buy theirs for $249,500 and pocket an additional $249,500. :)

[stradman]

With all due respect to anyone who has any final edition car. I just don't get this premium asked above and beyond sticker price. I mean apart from a special paint job, and perhaps a couple of decals or plaques, why would anyone pay such a premium for this type of car? The ACR is a tool with a specific purpose and in that respect this final edition has nothing more than frippery added to it. Otherwise same engine, same suspension, same seats etc apart from a couple of pearlescent paint and a couple of badges. I mean the car hasn't even achieved classic status in the conventional sense yet either. So why?? Sorry maybe I'm just in a grumpy mood!

[Dman]

With all due respect to anyone who has any final edition car. I just don't get this premium asked above and beyond sticker price. I mean apart from a special paint job, and perhaps a couple of decals or plaques, why would anyone pay such a premium for this type of car? The ACR is a tool with a specific purpose and in that respect this final edition has nothing more than frippery added to it. Otherwise same engine, same suspension, same seats etc apart from a couple of pearlescent paint and a couple of badges. I mean the car hasn't even achieved classic status in the conventional sense yet either. So why?? Sorry maybe I'm just in a grumpy mood!

It can seem silly since it is just paint. But some people really like special editions, I mean they have special edition ear phones and game controllers. So, with cars, it's good marketing. And for those who like them, it's great. For those not interested, it's no biggy.

I'd rather do a new ACR with HC pkg, and then buy a new Z06 for a DD than spend $250k on this, but I am a weirdo.

As for the ad, maybe offer $239k, save $10k for xpel. Pfft, lol.

[Taximan1]

the beautiful thing about ebay is.. For a $50 insertion fee.. You can list almost anything, at any price... why stop at $249k?? go for $1 million OBO. I would say...

so, for 50 bucks.. this seller now has a thread generated about his dealership, plus the ad itself, which will probably get 2500-3500 views in 7 days... where else can you get that kind of exposure per dollar? lol

[Policy Limits]

You should, then you would be able to buy theirs for $249,500 and pocket an additional $249,500. :)

Money can't buy what I have. There's the price of things and then there's the value of them.

[ViperDC]

I'd rather do a new ACR with HC pkg, and then buy a new Z06 for a DD than spend $250k on this, but I am a weirdo.


As would anyone with a brain.

[Track Pack]

I find it funny they used all stock photos including the dash plaque showing car #1 which was likely the dash plaque from the car pictured which is not the car for sale. Good luck.

[Vegaskid]

These really can't be going for 250...

[ClayR]

It is not going to be sold.

[SharpMan]

With all due respect to anyone who has any final edition car. I just don't get this premium asked above and beyond sticker price. I mean apart from a special paint job, and perhaps a couple of decals or plaques, why would anyone pay such a premium for this type of car? The ACR is a tool with a specific purpose and in that respect this final edition has nothing more than frippery added to it. Otherwise same engine, same suspension, same seats etc apart from a couple of pearlescent paint and a couple of badges. I mean the car hasn't even achieved classic status in the conventional sense yet either. So why?? Sorry maybe I'm just in a grumpy mood!

Agreed. This is ridiculous.


the beautiful thing about ebay is.. For a $50 insertion fee.. You can list almost anything, at any price... why stop at $249k?? go for $1 million OBO. I would say...

so, for 50 bucks.. this seller now has a thread generated about his dealership, plus the ad itself, which will probably get 2500-3500 views in 7 days... where else can you get that kind of exposure per dollar? lol

Actually not that good of a deal at around $15 / 1000 impressions. Regular targeted (programmatic) online advertising would be a fraction of that. ;-)


Money can't buy what I have. There's the price of things and then there's the value of them.

Well money did buy it, didn't it? ;-)

[7TH_SIGN]

Lol at the asking price. There's and a$$ for every seat. It's disturbing to think of what other cars you could buy for that price and what kind of a GEN V monster you could build.

[99RT10]

I don't know what you guys are talking about. I think it's worth every penny. :drive:

[Terminator02]

Don't worry if 1/4 mil is too steep you can step down into the dark Voodoo edition for a chill 200k. http://m.ebay.com/itm/2017-Dodge-Viper-GTC-VooDoo-2-/391663418114?_trkparms=aid%253D222007%2526algo%253 DSIC.MBE%2526ao%253D1%2526asc%253D20150519202348%2 526meid%253D0f464df220be4098a2bbbd68cf44848b%2526p id%253D100408%2526rk%253D1%2526rkt%253D25%2526sd%2 53D142226673811&_trksid=p2056116.c100408.m2460

[Policy Limits]

Well money did buy it, didn't it? ;-)

On June 24th in minutes. But that ship has sailed ;-)

[SharpMan]

Well money did buy it, didn't it? ;-)

On June 24th in minutes. But that ship has sailed ;-)

Out of curiosity...is your car an edition from a specific dealer or was it a limited edition available through a number or all dealers? Looks great BTW. Lots of fun!

[Policy Limits]

Only two dealers were allowed to sell this one. 11 each. Thanks! !

[SharpMan]

Only two dealers were allowed to sell this one. 11 each. Thanks! !

Cool.

[Policy Limits]

Agree. I've owned plenty of exotics like u. Wait til u get yours. There's something very special about it.

[Policy Limits]

Sure. I had a love hate relationship with my GTS but it's tough buying the first model year of a new Generation. Hoping 5 model years newer has the bugs out. I can already notice some subtle improvements. Very optimistic

[bigmacsmallfries]

Hmm.. These special edition sales will set the benchmark as to where the cars sit. With 991 GT3 RS selling for what they sell for and there being over 1000 delivered to North American alone (Rennlist figures) vs about 200 of these special editions, I could easily see dozens of enthusiasts willing to pay the same for some of these special editions. Probably less than a third of these will go to market so demand will exceed supply IMO.

[ViperJon]

Sorry but comparing Viper "demand" to Porsche is laughable in any context. Porsche has a huge fan base and worldwide appeal.
There is no Viper demand remotely similar.

[Dman]

Best shot is to pry the keys out of my dead hands!

For those that say what it's worth or not worth.

Comes down to a seller and buyer - if there are none for sale buyer pays more.

Tired of hearing the bs it's just paint - bought it to enjoy but it holds it own in any collection or against any car on track.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend with the 'just paint' comment. Only meant that it's a paint job, otherwise there's nothing different. If it had a power bump, suspension or other things that made it different, then ... but that's all, not dismissing it at all. Like I posted, some folks are really into special edition things, and if that's paint, then cool, and it'll have its value for that crowd.

It will be interesting to see how values go. With ACRs, true 1of1's and these spec eds.

Meanwhile, let's hope this thread doesn't spin into how special editions aren't worth more and others defend it, lol, pointless. There are now 2 on eBay. One is a bargain for under $200k, lolz.

[bigmacsmallfries]

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Sorry but comparing Viper "demand" to Porsche is laughable in any context. Porsche has a huge fan base and worldwide appeal.
There is no Viper demand remotely similar.

I agree with you 100%, very few take the Viper seriously. First American car for me. We'll see what happens, this will become the precedent and will set the tone.

[bigmacsmallfries]

Car has sold?!?! Listing has been taken down. Would be great news if the mark is set around 250k from the get go! :)

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Supposedly sold, not sure how much.

http://www.atlantismotorgroup.com/Vehicle/location-Riviera_Beach-Florida-vehiclesforsale/152945/2017-Dodge-Viper-GTS-R-Final-Edition.aspx

[jasond29]

I hope it sold for 250K, get the ball rolling on viper values uptick.

[ViperJon]

did you guys ever dream an ACR - E would set track records and beat a 1.4M Porsche 918. .

You mean like it did back in 2010 when the Gen IV ACR set the Nurburgring and many other production car track records?
Viper history, you may want to brush up on it.

[Policy Limits]

The thing about 1 of 1 is someone else can order the same exact paint but different wheels or interior so there's more than one similar looking version out there. Plus they aren't numbered. However, a friend ordreed a competition blue 2016 one of one ACR with black center band in 2016. He said the concierge gave him about 150 photos and emails along the build which is really cool. Then the following year he ordered a 1:28 and hasn't heard jack in a half a year. Lol. So it's a trade off. I could've had anyone I wanted and you know my choice. Happy new year!!

[Dman]

Not offended because it's not true :)

The ACR - E limited vs 1 of 1 vs - really I could care less but for argument sake.

Have you ever bought a limited model of something? I collect scale models and having the 1st 5th vs 100th limited edition is a big deal in value that goes for anything collectible and while I understand you and many others it's just paint the collectors of the world view it entirely different. The 1 of 1 will not carry the same panache it's just a fact.

Owning other brands you all keep beating up the Viper by stating it's not Porsche Ferrari Heritage Ford - did you guys ever dream an ACR - E would set track records and beat a 1.4M Porsche 918.

The ACR - E broke the glass ceiling the limited editions will go to high end collectors sitting along side 1M - 5M vehicles.

Outside of collectors drivers who enjoy their cars and own a La Ferrari 918 Mclaren P1 are also buying the ACR - E.

Let me add one more thing - just bought a paint to sample GT3RS it carries a premium of 50 - 100k and it's truly just paint unlike the Viper Special Editions. I would have paid a like premium today for a special edition so the e-bay ads while may appear nuts only time will tell.

I have bought limited edition, but not for just paint like with the viper special editions. I've done it because it came with performance enhancements not available on other models.

At the end of the day, a viper special edition is a viper special edition paint job. To those who collect special edition widgets, watches, Hummel's, whatever, they'll be worth more. I'm not a special edition enthusiast, I'm a car enthusiast, so to me an ACRE with a VE Stage 2 is far more valuable, and honestly I'm not a fan of the paint schemes they picked. But that's what's great, guys like me won't be competing to buy the cars guys like you want and vice versa, so it works out great, and since it's opinion, neither is wrong. As to how much they'll ultimately be worth, no one knows until someone can read the future, but still no matter, guys who buy these for investment will care and guys who don't won't .. still works out great. No losers.

[commandomatt]

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[commandomatt]

I am doing the stage 2 by the same guy that did yours :)

For argument sake it's not jus paint - it's a numbered edition and there is no one better in the world than Ferrari / Fiat at marketing and they pulled this one right out of their playbook which brought many people to the brand that previously never owned a Viper.



SRT have done countless 'Last', 'Limited', 'First' editions (all numbered) etc well before they had anything to do with Ferrari and Fiat so don't think this is something new and unique to the Gen V's (or some super secret Ferrari playbook). I know your Ltd will be the most sought after model .....ever, so I wont go there.

Also, I did see that McDonalds had a new line of Ltd edition toys and I will be sure to collect all 4 !

[OneofOneViper]

Ok what years are you talking about and what cars were they compared against.

918 P1 LaFerrari - that's the league this current Viper is in going head to head with the greatest hyper cars in very good financial times.

Enjoy your Mickey D's and feel free to truncate at will.

I love vipers as much as any of you guys but lets be clear... 918, P1, LaFerrari are all cars that can beat the viper on the track marginally. They all totally destroy the viper ACRE in a straight light (especially the 918), and the finish of the interior and automatic options aren't even comparable. It's a great car, but let's not get carried away with comparing apples to oranges here. There is a reason those cars cost 1.4 million+. I do think (and maybe I'm bias because I love vipers) that the viper is the best bang for your buck around. The corvette held that title until the ACRE came into town. That doesn't necessarily bode well for an investment looking at the last 30 years of vettes depreciations. Not to say they will follow suit since again you're comparing apples to oranges. The reality is that if for some reason the "limited editions" vipers of 2017 become worth $1,000,000 tomorrow, all the other ACREs would still be worth $900,000 so we all win. No need to fight. There are more limited edition vipers than ACRE or GTC ACRE vipers combined this year. There just aren't a lot out there. They are all special and very individualized for having such a low number produced.

[06SRTCoupe]

I love vipers as much as any of you guys but lets be clear... 918, P1, LaFerrari are all cars that can beat the viper on the track marginally. They all totally destroy the viper ACRE in a straight light (especially the 918), and the finish of the interior and automatic options aren't even comparable. It's a great car, but let's not get carried away with comparing apples to oranges here. There is a reason those cars cost 1.4 million+. I do think (and maybe I'm bias because I love vipers) that the viper is the best bang for your buck around. The corvette held that title until the ACRE came into town. That doesn't necessarily bode well for an investment looking at the last 30 years of vettes depreciations. Not to say they will follow suit since again you're comparing apples to oranges. The reality is that if for some reason the "limited editions" vipers of 2017 become worth $1,000,000 tomorrow, all the other ACREs would still be worth $900,000 so we all win. No need to fight. There are more limited edition vipers than ACRE or GTC ACRE vipers combined this year. There just aren't a lot out there. They are all special and very individualized for having such a low number produced.

An ACR-E beat the 918 at Laguna Seca by over 1 second. You're right about everything else though. The Viper is not even comparable to those three cars in anything else.

[Policy Limits]

The Special Edition cars aren't Special. The manufacturer made a mistake when they named them. An official announcement will be forthcoming.

[Bmw2nv2000]

Good luck with that ACR Extreme. Love it when these new gen 5 owners show up to school us long term viper owners. My money is on the fact that viper values sink like rocks including the 20 diff "special editions" over the past 20 years. I hear the 13' maroon ones are the only true collector ones anyway. True story.

[OneofOneViper]

Good luck with that ACR Extreme. Love it when these new gen 5 owners show up to school us long term viper owners. My money is on the fact that viper values sink like rocks including the 20 diff "special editions" over the past 20 years. I hear the 13' maroon ones are the only true collector ones anyway. True story.

I like you. You're not drinking the Kool-Aid though. Whether it's 20 years or 5 years, I do think you're right that it's meaningless because the chances the value drops is much higher than raising.

[Bmw2nv2000]

maybe you dont know but there are guys who also paid well above sticker for the first gen 5's(esp the "special" maroon ones) and now that car is worth maybe $75-80k but some owners are so certain their "special" limited cars are worth $130k but the market says other wise. Hence "good luck with that". Plus you actually mention LaFerrari and viper in same sentence. Sorry to tell ya but the viper is the exotic for the middle class workin man and the LaFerrari is for the top 1% so its a joke to put in same category in any way.
And all this negativity is coming from a viper fanatic thats owned quite a few vipers over past 10 years who lives in reality about the cars i love. You buy your first viper and come on a viper forum of long term/multiple viper owners and tell them all about viper values and how delusional they are you are gonna get called out.

[zee]

maybe you dont know but there are guys who also paid well above sticker for the first gen 5's(esp the "special" maroon ones) and now that car is worth maybe $75-80k but some owners are so certain their "special" limited cars are worth $130k but the market says other wise. Hence "good luck with that". Plus you actually mention LaFerrari and viper in same sentence. Sorry to tell ya but the viper is the exotic for the middle class workin man and the LaFerrari is for the top 1% so its a joke to put in same category in any way.
And all this negativity is coming from a viper fanatic thats owned quite a few vipers over past 10 years who lives in reality about the cars i love. You buy your first viper and come on a viper forum of long term/multiple viper owners and tell them all about viper values and how delusional they are you are gonna get called out.

Top 1%?? You need to make $380k to be classed in top 1% in the US. Try top .0000001% to get your hands on a La ferrari lol

[Vprbite]

Money can't buy what I have. There's the price of things and then there's the value of them.

I would agree. You have it and it's important to you.

I don't know if I would buy a special edition for 260k but as someone said earlier, he is getting cheap advertising and maybe he'll take 180 and someone will feel they got a great deal.

But hey if they own it, they can ask whatever they want for it. My license plate is for sale for 10 grand. No one is probably ever gonna give me that but I'm still asking it.

[Bmw2nv2000]

I responded / mentioned older Vipers because I do not know nor anyone delusional in fact it's the complete opposite as I asked what were these older Vipers marketed against. My guess is it was a Corvette.

Todays times are completely different both in finance and social media. The fact is the ACR - E is being put against the Hyper cars which gives it a lot more credibility than the past Vipers. La Ferrari P1 918 owners are buying Vipers and posting that they are loving their ACR - E. That's exactly how I learned about the Viper a well known athlete who owns dealers P1 etc started a thread on Rennlist where many other like owners posted so my perspective is different. For whatever reason my perspective creates controversy in a thread that shows asking over MSRP - it's that simple.

What I did mention was it's not nuts that the last Editions asking over stocker - time will tell.

It's 100% others who tether the old to the new and again will state the ACR - E appeals to a different owner than the past Vipers.

Why you or others post negative is your choice. As I also mentioned preference was a Stryker Blue then Purple it was VE who convinced me to buy a GTS - R and until recent positive posts and waiting 6 months I got excited that it was being shipped and again to see they were doing well in the market so I added what other like cars have done. Whether or not you or others agree could care less it's my perspective based on present vs past.


Once again you are showing that you are new to the Viper world and here to educate us old world viper guys by telling us that viper for the first time is being put against faster cars than just a vette. The Gen 4 ACR also set record breaking numbers at every track it visited against all the big name super cars at that time too. Is the Gen 5 acr faster? Of course and so are everyone elses models Its called evolution of cars they all get better and faster with each new model so acting like your gen 5 ACR has done something unbelievable in the sports car world is total noob. The Viper(esp ACR) has always been a super car on the track just has never been highly recognized by the elite buyers of the world. And it still is no where near considered an elite buyers car. Does it get respect from some other higher end car owners? Yep but most still laugh at it cause it doesn't come with matching luggage or $10k logoed watches.

I too am an avid 6speed reader too(911 owner myself). Just because there have been a couple 918 or LF owners buy the viper does not in any way mean the Viper is specifically built to market beside those cars($130k compared to a $1.5+M car is laughable). Same market car would be the obvious, Z06, GTR, 911, R8, maybe even hoped to hit the Gallardo, California owners back in 13' when introduced.

Sounds like VE talked you into buying this special one by claiming there was a good return on investment because it was a "special edition" and maybe it will but don't get your hopes up is all I'm trying to say. I'll gladly say that the past many "Special Edition" vipers do hold more resale value than the regular viper in that same year but we are talking maybe $5k more. Not crazy numbers that you seem to hope or imply.
Honestly I don't give 2 craps about what you have or the value it reaches but the noobs that come here to educate us long time viper owners just bugs me. If your "Special Edition" holds value above the msrp for more than 6 months then you will have the honor of owning the first viper in history to do that. Best of luck.

[Bmw2nv2000]

You should post your thoughts over at Viperalley.com

[Policy Limits]

In all fairness this generation did seek cross over consumers since 2012 pre launch. They were accused of having an identity crisis because they wanted it known as an "SRT" and not just a Dodge to justify a six figure price tag. The fact that it was short lived does not negate the marketing attempt to reach cross over buyers. I put my order in late 2012 and my fun car before my 2013 GTS was a Lamborghini so I suppose I was the intended audience at that time, even if I was in the minority whom bit. Traditional viper guys resented the move and the generation saw a 15k price drop in MSRP resulting in loyalty vouchers, a production halt and temporary lay off of factory workers amid poor sales. The first year quality control issues and recalls/campaigns were frustrating. Five model years into production of the generation they can't build enough, parts shortages and irony abound. This generation has been through the wringer. It does seem however, that there are many more cross over buyers in 2017 than there were in 2013. I was in the market and purchased both the first and last production years of the generation so I've noticed the comparison keenly.

Value is what someone would pay for an item. Remember when Dodge was sending early generation pre production models to the crusher? Jay Leno offered 1/4 mill for one. Even though the manufacturer rejected it, it showed how worth is the willingness to pay. It's way too speculative and premature to currently determine future value of these editions. Does history suggest they are just depreciating assets? Certainly. However it's not so unrealistic to think that the last V10 made with a stick that's a numbered special edition and a 25th anniversary car will hold its own. You buy it to enjoy it and if values rises, it does. If it doesn't it doesn't.

I went to my local Ferrari Maserati dealership recently for service. It was the same place ten years ago that had a Ford GT hidden in the back and listed at 140k. They were ashamed of it because it was only a Ford. Now the same place had a blue with white stripes model on its show room floor listed over 300k. Funny how times can change.

[dewilmoth]

I said Rennlist not 6speed no idea what that is - you don't like new people buying an ACR - E ... got the memo!

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r/906404-ot-my-full-review-of-the-2016-viper-acr.html

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r/898510-viper-acr-extreme-aero.html

http://rennlist.com/forums/other-marque-discussions/965792-new-toy-2017-viper-acr-extreme-1-of-28-a.html

I was lusting after the ACR from the day it was announced, but CJ's thread is what made me take the plunge when I had the opportunity. That's a really great thread, by an unbiased guy who can literally drive whatever he wants. Great read! That being said, I was bummed when he decided to sell the car after such a short ownership.

[Dman]

In all fairness this generation did seek cross over consumers since 2012 pre launch. They were accused of having an identity crisis because they wanted it known as an "SRT" and not just a Dodge to justify a six figure price tag. The fact that it was short lived does not negate the marketing attempt to reach cross over buyers. I put my order in late 2012 and my fun car before my 2013 GTS was a Lamborghini so I suppose I was the intended audience at that time, even if I was in the minority whom bit. Traditional viper guys resented the move and the generation saw a 15k price drop in MSRP resulting in loyalty vouchers, a production halt and temporary lay off of factory workers amid poor sales. The first year quality control issues and recalls/campaigns were frustrating. Five model years into production of the generation they can't build enough, parts shortages and irony abound. This generation has been through the wringer. It does seem however, that there are many more cross over buyers in 2017 than there were in 2013. I was in the market and purchased both the first and last production years of the generation so I've noticed the comparison keenly.

Value is what someone would pay for an item. Remember when Dodge was sending early generation pre production models to the crusher? Jay Leno offered 1/4 mill for one. Even though the manufacturer rejected it, it showed how worth is the willingness to pay. It's way too speculative and premature to currently determine future value of these editions. Does history suggest they are just depreciating assets? Certainly. However it's not so unrealistic to think that the last V10 made with a stick that's a numbered special edition and a 25th anniversary car will hold its own. You buy it to enjoy it and if values rises, it does. If it doesn't it doesn't.

I went to my local Ferrari Maserati dealership recently for service. It was the same place ten years ago that had a Ford GT hidden in the back and listed at 140k. They were ashamed of it because it was only a Ford. Now the same place had a blue with white stripes model on its show room floor listed over 300k. Funny how times can change.

Good post, agreed. Only thing that throws this year off is Gerry Wood in terms of 'they can't build enough'. He bought the equivalent of 20% of vipers made in 2016, in one shot, which closed ordering. That to me is an artificial incident, if he hadn't, nothing suggest there'd have been a hiccup in producing more than enough thru the year. The fact that he still has plenty in stock means supply was beyond demand, and we know what that usually means. But couldn't agree more on every point really. Cross marketing, which could've been great for the viper, miserable failure in the marketing campaign killed the first 2+ years, quality issues, combined with perf records, a bit crazy. As you say, time will tell and until then, we get to enjoy these beasts. I'm about to wire money over for my 5th and possibly last new viper and after 18 years with these cars, I'm still giddy about it. They're indeed special.

[Bmw2nv2000]

I said Rennlist not 6speed no idea what that is - you don't like new people buying an ACR - E ... got the memo!

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r/906404-ot-my-full-review-of-the-2016-viper-acr.html

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r/898510-viper-acr-extreme-aero.html

http://rennlist.com/forums/other-marque-discussions/965792-new-toy-2017-viper-acr-extreme-1-of-28-a.html


You read much? I dont give a flip what you have or buy. I just cant stand a noob know it all which you displayed a perfect example thats the only reason i posted in here. Esp when you list viper with LF and 918's. Good luck with your investment noob

Oh and you really should post your thoughts over at the alley. Just call yourself snakize2

[Bmw2nv2000]

Read much? Face palm....

Please please post your thoughts on the alley. Im a sweetie compared to those guys.

[greygt3]

CJ sold the ACR because he had a new business opportunity that required some cash. He loved the car.

[FLATOUT]

CJ sold the ACR because he had a new business opportunity that required some cash. He loved the car.

That was one of the first Gen V ACR's we built, and it had our Active Suspension on it from day one. Got a lot of great feedback from CJ, Marc Miller, and Bill Riley on that car. Thrilled CJ took the plunge and got into Viper.

Andy

[GerryWoodViper]

Good post, agreed. Only thing that throws this year off is Gerry Wood in terms of 'they can't build enough'. He bought the equivalent of 20% of vipers made in 2016, in one shot, which closed ordering. That to me is an artificial incident, if he hadn't, nothing suggest there'd have been a hiccup in producing more than enough thru the year. The fact that he still has plenty in stock means supply was beyond demand, and we know what that usually means. But couldn't agree more on every point really. Cross marketing, which could've been great for the viper, miserable failure in the marketing campaign killed the first 2+ years, quality issues, combined with perf records, a bit crazy. As you say, time will tell and until then, we get to enjoy these beasts. I'm about to wire money over for my 5th and possibly last new viper and after 18 years with these cars, I'm still giddy about it. They're indeed special.

There is no question I took a gamble. My conversations with FCA indicated that ordering was not brisk, and production would not have met capacity when the factory shut down in the early summer 2017.

However, we have over 60% of our cars sold (marked sold on the website www.gerrywoodviper.com) and 85% of these are to first time Viper buyers, and often first time Mopar buyers. This car, now that it has been marked for extinction, is being demanded by those who've "considered" one but always had other options. I have sold two cars each to six individuals in the past 3 months, and not one of those six people have ever owned a Viper. When people say "I'll take two" and are cash buyers, it's a solid indication of what's happening below the headlines.

Without a doubt, if the car was to only be sold to people who had enjoyed pervious generations it would have never sold out. Rest assured, they are selling and they are selling briskly. Our slowest week was 5. The holidays slowed up, and I joke that "guys who wanted more cars in 2017 needed to focus on diamonds an furs over the holidays so they could get those cars next year", but inquiries over New Years showed a major uptick in demand.

[Policy Limits]

Do you have any special edition Voodoo II's that are unspoken for?

[ddominator1]

omg.. too funny! !249k .. is this dealer smoking crack?

[Dman]

There is no question I took a gamble. My conversations with FCA indicated that ordering was not brisk, and production would not have met capacity when the factory shut down in the early summer 2017.

However, we have over 60% of our cars sold (marked sold on the website www.gerrywoodviper.com) and 85% of these are to first time Viper buyers, and often first time Mopar buyers. This car, now that it has been marked for extinction, is being demanded by those who've "considered" one but always had other options. I have sold two cars each to six individuals in the past 3 months, and not one of those six people have ever owned a Viper. When people say "I'll take two" and are cash buyers, it's a solid indication of what's happening below the headlines.

Without a doubt, if the car was to only be sold to people who had enjoyed pervious generations it would have never sold out. Rest assured, they are selling and they are selling briskly. Our slowest week was 5. The holidays slowed up, and I joke that "guys who wanted more cars in 2017 needed to focus on diamonds an furs over the holidays so they could get those cars next year", but inquiries over New Years showed a major uptick in demand.

So 40% unsold and we're now into the next year. I'm not saying you eventually won't sell all, not my point at all either. I was just pointing out that the "sold out" of gen5s is artificial because you bought them out and closed ordering as a result, you have nearly half still in inventory. If you hadn't done that, viper ordering would still be plodding along, as it was, and orders would still be open, etc. The car hasn't sold itself out, you bought it out. I'm not busting on you at all, it is what it is, just that we're in an artificial market at the moment due to this.

If my friggin GTS had sold a week sooner I'd have beat your order and gotten my order in, dang it. But I'm making lemonade with an inventory car so it's all fine.

[ACR Steve]

Wish I had the money for a second one to tuck away.
Last of the normally aspirated manual cars
Fastest production car ever made around a road course
Super low production for OEM cars
last of Viper production ever

You don't have to be a Viper guy to appreciate all of this.

[FLATOUT]

Wish I had the money for a second one to tuck away.
Last of the normally aspirated manual cars
Fastest production car ever made around a road course
Super low production for OEM cars
last of Viper production ever

You don't have to be a Viper guy to appreciate all of this.

EXACTLY how I feel Steve. Well said.

[38D]

Wish I had the money for a second one to tuck away.
Last of the normally aspirated manual cars
Fastest production car ever made around a road course
Super low production for OEM cars
last of Viper production ever

You don't have to be a Viper guy to appreciate all of this.

Agreed. I'd been a longtime Porsche guy, but the ACRE convinced me to take the plung into my first Viper. Glad I did...its awesome!

[SharpMan]

Agreed. I'd been a longtime Porsche guy, but the ACRE convinced me to take the plung into my first Viper. Glad I did...its awesome!

Ditto. 5 911s including GT3 and this was just too wild not to try. Also, I was very impressed by the overall exterior and interior quality of the vehicle.

[ClayR]

I want two ACR-E's!

[ACR Steve]

38 D- I am a Porsche guy as well as a Viper guy. The one car in the world that I enjoy as much as my 996 Cup on track is the ACR . Its faster then my Cup car on track and dare I say I think faster then a 991 Cup or as fast . Its faster then factory built race cars,its hard for anyone to not love this car.

[Snorman]

If it weren't for the ACR-E, not sure what I'd have moved into next after my C7 Z06 for track use. I'd kicked around a GT3 for about a year, and was actually 1st on my dealer's list for a '16, but they never got a '16 allocated and I decided to just keep my 911 Turbo. Now I'm considering what to replace the 911 with...maybe a McLaren. But the ACR was a fantastic choice for me, and I got back into a manual trans track car.
S.

[Purple Haze]

A note from the novice and sorry if this gets boring...I don't know a damn thing about Vipers but learning everyday...Gerry Woods Viper I probably fall into your category of typical buyers. I saw my first Viper around 1997 or so. No way I could afford one, raising kids and a cautious wife. Watched this beast grow every year...Every car show I would run to see the newest Viper. In 2013, when the Gen V appeared I couldn't stand it anymore. Then I found out in 2015/2016 they made a purple one-love that color... I had built my business up since the 1990s and could now afford one. A friend owns a Dodge Dealership and sold me one at his cost. I told him not too! I didn't care what I had to pay just had to have one. So in 2016 I ordered a GTC Stryker Purple and took the factory tour. Best day of my life!!! I really don't care if my car triples in price or falls to 5k...I mean that as it will never be for sale. I make my money elsewhere. Six months later when I found out this may be/is the last year I ordered another Viper 2017 GTC ACR-you guessed it, in purple from my same dealer friend. Gerry I actually called your company you had nearly exactly what I was about to order but it had sold!!! I understand there is a lot of people here with investments and care about values down the road. I deal in antiques and understand people concerns and how everyone tries to figure out values. I deal with these people everyday and no it's not Vipers but the concerns are the same. It's often a crap shoot. I say buy and enjoy...hopefully it'll go up! For the sake of the heritage of the Viper I do hope they go up, for all of you. I really believe it will, every one of them. Enjoy your Vipers they really are a great car!


There is no question I took a gamble. My conversations with FCA indicated that ordering was not brisk, and production would not have met capacity when the factory shut down in the early summer 2017.

However, we have over 60% of our cars sold (marked sold on the website www.gerrywoodviper.com) and 85% of these are to first time Viper buyers, and often first time Mopar buyers. This car, now that it has been marked for extinction, is being demanded by those who've "considered" one but always had other options. I have sold two cars each to six individuals in the past 3 months, and not one of those six people have ever owned a Viper. When people say "I'll take two" and are cash buyers, it's a solid indication of what's happening below the headlines.

Without a doubt, if the car was to only be sold to people who had enjoyed pervious generations it would have never sold out. Rest assured, they are selling and they are selling briskly. Our slowest week was 5. The holidays slowed up, and I joke that "guys who wanted more cars in 2017 needed to focus on diamonds an furs over the holidays so they could get those cars next year", but inquiries over New Years showed a major uptick in demand.

[ACR Steve]

Snorman- go look at the new turbo its an amazing car.

[Snorman]

Snorman- go look at the new turbo its an amazing car.
I probably won't go from a 991.1 to a 991.2 Turbo. I'll wait to see what's next. Not enough of change from what I have now.
I do like what they did with the rear fascia, but only 20 more hp, same interior, not many changes.
S.