Will the Gen 5 viper come down in price

[Graphic]

Do you guys think the viper will come down some in price? 50/60k? I'd like to keep my M3 and my Evo without selling my soul. I just don't want to miss out on this car if it's going to appreciate (hoping not any time soon).

[OneofOneViper]

Personally, I don't think the car appreciates any time soon. I'm not sure if it ever gets to the $50k price either though to be honest. I would say that at the prices you can get them at right now (68-75k) that might be right around the best price you're going to see with little depreciation. They might get to 60k in a couple years however. I think they probably do reach 65k but who knows when that will be and for how long.

[Voice of Reason]

I would guess in 1.5 years you'll see some low option SRTs for 60k. But you're 4+ years away from an even 50k car. When they stop building them depreciation will slow a bit.

[Donato]

I’m planning a Gen-4 ACR or a Gen-5 GTS purchase soon and I found this tool on Cargurus, just type in: (“car make and model” price trends). I’m no expert but if you trend Corvette, you’ll see a 2015 Corvette purchase anytime in the future will always get you a lower price. With the 2015 Viper it’s like playing the stock market and currently prices look to be trending up.

There isn’t much data on the 2015 but I’m also looking at the Gen-4 and a graph on 2009 appears to be pretty steady despite the “Last Edition” launch (I would guess sometime in 2010) of the Gen-4 and things currently look to be trending down but not by much, the market looks pretty steady.

What’s interesting on the last chart is Viper 1996 and 2001 prices are up 12 and 11 percent where most of the other years are in the negatives. Now I’m no expert but I do recall some of the cars in these years stated as “Most Collectible”. Perhaps others could chime in because I really don’t know too much about it, my research on Viper only goes back about 2 months.

My thought is the most collectible years will gradually increase in price and the others will soon follow in order (I think Gen-4 ACRs will be next on the list), that is of course if they truly are not making any more Vipers. With most of the Gen-4 in the $60s I don’t see Gen-5s ever making it to the $50s.

If you ask me I would say using the data as a guide that prices are about as low as they are going to get right now and there will be a gradual steady increase in the future for all year models with the most collectible increasing first and faster. It appears to be happening right now.

And again I don’t know what I’m talking about so take it with a grain of salt but to answer your question I don’t see Gen-5 Vipers in the $50s ever. Once the Gen-5 is realized for what it truly is; (i.e. a hand built carbon fiber and aluminum supercar with a V10), prices will only go up because where else are you going to get it and it will never happen again… EVER! (at least at this price point)

[Vegaskid]

Hard to guess, but the economy is going to drive price more than anything.
Another recession and you'll get gen v's for nothing... Stays like it is and you'll wait a while.
Just buy now and sell in a few years

[ViperSmith]

Lmao. Everyone wants a steal until they own it.

[Vipes]

If history repeats itself similar to the gen 3 and 4, a six year old 2013 will be about $55k so you have to wait 2 more years.

[Donato]

If history repeats itself similar to the gen 3 and 4, a six year old 2013 will be about $55k so you have to wait 2 more years.

If production were to continue I'd say sure $55k is very likely in a few years but supposedly this time it's the end. You will not be able to get a car like a Gen-5 Viper ever again under $100k

However I do think the market will be largely driven by Viper enthusiasts and collectors and what ever they are willing to pay. For the general public sports/super car consumer I would think Corvette, Shelby, or even the new Camaro ZL1 that's getting all the press right would be a better choice before a used Viper.

It's anyone's guess but I hope you are correct because I haven't purchased mine yet. I guess we'll wait and see what happens.

[zee]

If the Gen 5's drop into the 50's that means the Gen 4's will need to be in the 30s-40s. Not sure I see that happening anytime soon, if ever. Of course condition, mileage, etc will play a factor but special models like the LE, TA, and ACR will hold value for many years to come. Even with the engine issues there are many cars that are running very strong and don't burn a drop of oil(making those ones even more desirable IMO). As others have said, with production stopping you will see prices hold strong both in short and long term.

[v10enomous]

A few years ago prices were so low that I was waiting for the bottom of the Testarossa, Diablo and Countach market.

[swexlin]

They are already down in price. Many of us would take a bath if we were selling now.

[ACRucrazy]

It will happen.

[early13viper]

It will be interesting to see where prices go, the economy is a big factor but other Gens prices will factor in as well. I don't see Gen 1 and Gen 2 prices going anywhere but up. (especially GTSs) And I see Gen 3 and Gen 4 staying about the same. Which brings us to the Gen 5 which is a much better car than the 4. (Although maybe I'm biased 😄) I'm not sure how the Gen 5 could sell for much less without killing Gen 4 prices which then should create a domino effect on 3s and maybe even 2s & 1s. I just don't see that happening, at least in a good economy.

[Murpowa]

If the Gen 5's drop into the 50's that means the Gen 4's will need to be in the 30s-40s. Not sure I see that happening anytime soon, if ever. Of course condition, mileage, etc will play a factor but special models like the LE, TA, and ACR will hold value for many years to come. Even with the engine issues there are many cars that are running very strong and don't burn a drop of oil(making those ones even more desirable IMO). As others have said, with production stopping you will see prices hold strong both in short and long term.

Gen III's are there now so why wouldn't the IV's follow suite in a few years? From reading your related post on pricing (which seem to be numerous) you're data point appears to be a bit skewed, IMO

[OneofOneViper]

If the Gen 5's drop into the 50's that means the Gen 4's will need to be in the 30s-40s. Not sure I see that happening anytime soon, if ever. Of course condition, mileage, etc will play a factor but special models like the LE, TA, and ACR will hold value for many years to come. Even with the engine issues there are many cars that are running very strong and don't burn a drop of oil(making those ones even more desirable IMO). As others have said, with production stopping you will see prices hold strong both in short and long term.

While I agree with most of your logic, you make one key assumption which isn't a fact. "If the Gen 5's drop into the 50's that means the Gen 4's will need to be in the 30s-40s". That isn't always true not even for viper. Look at the Gen3 and Gen2. They are the same price. In fact I think it won't be long before Gen2's are more expensive than Gen3. Every generation is a different animal. The closest generations you can compare would be Gen3 and Gen4 convertibles. Outside of that as time goes on if the viper doesn't come out with a new generation, you'll likely see price points fall in line with demand more so than age.

[Donato]

A few years ago prices were so low that I was waiting for the bottom of the Testarossa, Diablo and Countach market.

I just had to looks those price trends up and see how they compare to Viper trends and they bottomed out years back. The Testarossa (~11000 units) jumped $100k over the last few years. The Diablo (~1700 units) increased $60k over that same time period. The Countach (~2000 units) currently seems to be in the mid to high six figure bracket. Again let me prequalify I’m speaking out of ignorance, I don’t think there is a comparison between these cars and the Viper because of the lower production numbers and more globally recognized brand of Ferrari and Lamborghini vs. Dodge, but I think someone already stated something similar in another thread.

Now comparing 2009 Viper (graph above) to a 2008 Gallardo, the Viper seems to be holding its ground fairly well, what this all means to the future of Viper pricing IDK but it seems like something good to me.

[38D]

Now comparing 2009 Viper (graph above) to a 2008 Gallardo, the Viper seems to be holding its ground fairly well, what this all means to the future of Viper pricing IDK but it seems like something good to me.

One big difference is there were a lot of Gallardos produced (just over 14,000)

[Donato]

One big difference is there were a lot of Gallardos produced (just over 14,000)

That was my point, the Viper is holding its ground despite over twice the production volumes. How will the Gallardo fair in the future? I don't think they hit bottom but they could very well skyrocket in price similar to the other Lambo models and the Viper could tank? Like I said IDK but it's all very interesting, I don't think it's apples to apples in this comparison.

[zee]

Gen III's are there now so why wouldn't the IV's follow suite in a few years? From reading your related post on pricing (which seem to be numerous) you're data point appears to be a bit skewed, IMO

The key reason why I don't think it will drop much more is because of production stopping. Someone mentioned about base model SRT Gen 5's may have a chance of dropping into the 50's in a few years which I can maybe see(higher mileage ones). A low mileage, clean Gen 4 in the 30k range - just don't see that happening with the viper extinct.

[zee]

While I agree with most of your logic, you make one key assumption which isn't a fact. "If the Gen 5's drop into the 50's that means the Gen 4's will need to be in the 30s-40s". That isn't always true not even for viper. Look at the Gen3 and Gen2. They are the same price. In fact I think it won't be long before Gen2's are more expensive than Gen3. Every generation is a different animal. The closest generations you can compare would be Gen3 and Gen4 convertibles. Outside of that as time goes on if the viper doesn't come out with a new generation, you'll likely see price points fall in line with demand more so than age.

Fair point. I sold my Gen 2 for more than most Gen 3's go for and that was a few years ago. It really depends on model and mileage. I believe gen 2's are highly sought after and the gen 5 is a new and improved gen 2. It has everything the gen 2 lacked and so much more - that's why I think it will hold its value much better than previous generations.

[texasram]

My monroney sticker listed 117k, i picked it up for 72k, i think that's plenty of depreciation per this thread

[Vipes]

Am I the only one that still doesn't believe viper production is ending? I think we see a gen VI in 3-4 years.

[texasram]

Am I the only one that still doesn't believe viper production is ended? I think we see a gen VI in 3-4 years.

Since there has already been 2 hiatus, you can only assume it will happen again

[OneofOneViper]

Am I the only one that still doesn't believe viper production is ending? I think we see a gen VI in 3-4 years.

In the past I never thought the Viper was going to end to be honest. Not once when they said production was coming to an end. This time, I think it really comes to an end for the foreseeable future. Dodge loses money on every viper and while Dodge was OK with that, Fiat is not sold on what the Viper brings to the table in terms of advertisement, branding prestige, etc. Those things aren't quantifiable. I watched an interview with the CEO some time in the last year after announcing they were ending the Viper program. He made it very clear that every Jeep they make is a Jeep sold. They will be investing a lot into Jeep because it's a "sure thing". Next on the list was re-vitalizing the Alfa Romeo brand in Europe. That isn't a guaranteed bet but they saw potential in the brand. Nowhere was it mentioned about how the Viper program would be re-introduced or re-visited to see what it could bring to the table.

In my personal opinion, the viper doesn't come back for years if it comes back at all. If it does come back, Fiat will want to make sure they aren't producing cars at a huge loss so it'll be either something designed to compete with the Corvette where they produced 5k+ units a years (unlikely), or it'll be something like the new Ford GT where they make very limited production of 100-200 units and sell them for extremely high prices of 300k+.

[zee]

Am I the only one that still doesn't believe viper production is ending? I think we see a gen VI in 3-4 years.

If it does come back, you can bet it won't be NA and likely be offered in an auto option making previous gen's that much more desirable.

[texasram]

If it does come back, you can bet it won't be NA and likely be offered in an auto option making previous gen's that much more desirable.

Bet it wont? the flagship lambos have always had v12's, it's its' signature dish, same with a vipers v10, it isnt as outlandish as a v12, so more than likely it will be retained, the auto part i agree with though

[Martin]

One thing I'd like to see are total cost of ownership stats for the cars being discussed here. I know a few people who own Lambos and Ferraris, and keeping them serviced properly is key to them holding their value. When you factor in a $10k service every couple of years, that has to be done at the dealer so that the records follow the car, the Viper tends to get the edge in cost-value no matter how you slice it. The Vipers have traditionally been DIY cars for the most part, and service isn't that expensive in comparison to other exotics.

Let's hope the Gen V follows tradition... I know that I'll be getting the extended warranty when mine comes in, and I won't be doing any mods to it while it's under warranty. Then, when warranty is up, it might be fun to have the engine "done right" by one of the very qualified builders in the ecosystem. When you think about it, a full engine rebuild on a Viper is about the same price as a major routine service on some of the exotics - so not a completely bad deal in my mind.

[texasram]

Are you saying you plan on doing a rebuild regardless of anything? even if your engine is still nice and tight?

[zee]

Bet it wont? the flagship lambos have always had v12's, it's its' signature dish, same with a vipers v10, it isnt as outlandish as a v12, so more than likely it will be retained, the auto part i agree with though

I hope it comes back so it can prove one of us wrong! A bet I would definitely not mind losing =)

[Martin]

Are you saying you plan on doing a rebuild regardless of anything? even if your engine is still nice and tight?

It really depends on how today's builds stand up. If my engine is still perfect and I like it as it is, I'll leave it as it is. If it's showing signs of trouble (Blackstone results, for example), I'll probably step up to the plate for a quality upgrade and make sure the engine is done right. Really hard to say at this point - the car is still just going into paint prep, so what I do with it five or seven years from now is a complete crap shoot.

[Viper Girl]

I think if FCA isn't going to use the Viper brand in the future, they should spin it off to someone who will... I have heard the rumors too about spinning off all of FCA, but I think thats highly unlikely...

[texasram]

I think if FCA isn't going to use the Viper brand in the future, they should spin it off to someone who will... I have heard the rumors too about spinning off all of FCA, but I think thats highly unlikely...

You mean fiat spinning off of chrysler and it going back just chrysler? or fiat and chrysler parting ways like when diamler-chrysler parted ways?

[v10enomous]

Fair point. I sold my Gen 2 for more than most Gen 3's go for and that was a few years ago. It really depends on model and mileage. I believe gen 2's are highly sought after and the gen 5 is a new and improved gen 2. It has everything the gen 2 lacked and so much more - that's why I think it will hold its value much better than previous generations.

I agree... The Gen2 Viper GTS is the C2 Mid years Corvette of Vipers. So imagine how desirable a factory fresh modern version of the C2 Corvette would be if GM ever built it. There are companies that convert C5 Corvettes to look like C2's so that's basically what you have with the Gen5 but better.

[repiV]

http://www.corvetteonline.com/news/have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too-the-karl-custom-corvette-story/

[v10enomous]

http://www.corvetteonline.com/news/have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too-the-karl-custom-corvette-story/

The C2 corvettes went largely unappreciated from the 70's into the nineties and they really aren't great cars but try to buy a decent one now.

[venum4u]

The C2 corvettes went largely unappreciated from the 70's into the nineties and they really aren't great cars but try to buy a decent one now.
All depends on your definition of great, I own 2 a 66 coupe 427/425 and a 67 vert 502 GM crate engine. Big smile on face while driving equals great

[v10enomous]

All depends on your definition of great, I own 2 a 66 coupe 427/425 and a 67 vert 502 GM crate engine. Big smile on face while driving equals great

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have one but the stock brakes, suspension and steering are pretty archaic,then there's the retractable headlight problems, half shafts, transverse leaf spring, chassis rust and even the fiberglass wasn't very good. My auto shop teacher had a 67 convertible that we would work on back in 1974 and 1975.

[venum4u]

The C2 corvettes went largely unappreciated from the 70's into the nineties and they really aren't great cars but try to buy a decent one now.
Yes, you just basically described most American cars from that era

[zee]

Yes, you just basically described most American cars from that era

There is definitely a charm of the old school feel regardless of how outdated everything is. Different and unique driving experience for sure.

[Jdmuscle]

This question is answered three ways..

1) people that don't own a Gen V and would like one in the future see the prices going down as any other viper
2) people that own a gen V think it's the end of an era and it'll hold its value and may appreciate a bit
3) truth.. no one knows

[ViperSmith]

This question is answered three ways..

1) people that don't own a Gen V and would like one in the future see the prices going down as any other viper
2) people that own a gen V think it's the end of an era and it'll hold its value and may appreciate a bit
3) truth.. no one knows

#1 changes once they own it and want to sell it

[OneofOneViper]

#1 changes once they own it and want to sell it

I would actually argue that this is the number 2 change now. The number 1 change currently is the dealerships unwillingness to sell below MSRP in recent months. It doesn't matter where you go. I went and called 30+ dealers looking for a deal on a brand new ACR-E and no one was willing to sell below MSRP. With that stance those vipers sold in 2013 and 14 will hold their values quite well because many of them were discounted to 75k or so to get them off the lot but that deal will never happen again.

[v10enomous]

I would actually argue that this is the number 2 change now. The number 1 change currently is the dealerships unwillingness to sell below MSRP in recent months. It doesn't matter where you go. I went and called 30+ dealers looking for a deal on a brand new ACR-E and no one was willing to sell below MSRP. With that stance those vipers sold in 2013 and 14 will hold their values quite well because many of them were discounted to 75k or so to get them off the lot but that deal will never happen again.


Plus you get bragging rights to quickest, fastest and lightest straight line Viper ever produced in some instances... Point of view is everything... ;)

[viperBase1]

IMHO Corvettes don't compare.
They've just made too damn many of 'em.

Total Corvettes Produced: ~2 Million (and only a very small fraction of those can be considered SuperCars). Not much of a Track record either.
Total Vipers Produced: ~38 Thousand [after 2017] (exact #?) All of 'em SuperCars! Tremendous Track record & history.

I have 4 Corvettes on my block..only one of 'em qualifies as a SuperCar.
No Vipers. I'll be the first on my block!

[Vipes]

No Vipers. I'll be the first on my block!

Nice, I feel like that applies to my whole town. I see 4 or 5 vettes on almost every short drive I take, still never seen a viper in my suburb.

http://i65.tinypic.com/5bvhfs.jpg

[V10powerr]

i owned a viper bought a murcie, kept both for a few months and then sold the viper as i did not drive it enough, twive in 4 months in summer as the murcie was new. now i miss the viper for its drive, which is much better than murcie so may buy another one even if i dont drive it much.
if u can get in at a good price, for me about 65-67 for used track packs, about 70 for a gts, you can drive the hell out of them and have lower depreciation than 99% of cars. love the feel and drive. i think we will not see gen v in the high 50's for a long time. mid 60's , maybe 1 or 2 desperate sellers in the lowers 60's but mid will be more likely, again this is for base or track, just my 2c

[DZnutz]

All you guys on this forum are unbelievable. I have never seen any car forum/club try to analyze the resale/discount price of their vehicles even remotely as much as on here and as often. some random guy, who signed up this month and his first post brings up the value and depreciation of the viper again and you guys go on for pages. Any post relating to discounts or depreciation should not be responded to

[Jdmuscle]

I would actually argue that this is the number 2 change now. The number 1 change currently is the dealerships unwillingness to sell below MSRP in recent months. It doesn't matter where you go. I went and called 30+ dealers looking for a deal on a brand new ACR-E and no one was willing to sell below MSRP. With that stance those vipers sold in 2013 and 14 will hold their values quite well because many of them were discounted to 75k or so to get them off the lot but that deal will never happen again.

That's good to know... soon these cars will appreciate if dealers hold their own on not discounting the cars. But if no one buys them.. they'll be forced to discount them.

[Stealth78]

Fair point. I sold my Gen 2 for more than most Gen 3's go for and that was a few years ago. It really depends on model and mileage. I believe gen 2's are highly sought after and the gen 5 is a new and improved gen 2. It has everything the gen 2 lacked and so much more - that's why I think it will hold its value much better than previous generations.

Without being biased I can't help to think the GenIV is being overlooked. There are still plenty of nice non ACR GenIV's selling in the $6X's. That's a 8, 9, 10 year old car still selling at 60% of it's original window sticker. Prior to the GenV coming out the GenIV was by far the most amazing all around Viper ever built. Another thing that will help the GenIV retain it's value is the extremely low production numbers accompanied by it's bulletproof reputation. I'm not saying that the GenIV's will ever surpass the GenV's in value, but holding onto their value in comparison to their original cost is going to be a tough one to beat for the GenV's.

[Coloviper]

I hear the Gen VIs are starting to depreciate since they committed the design to CAD from concept. Kind of how much sense this thread makes.

Reality is, if this is truly the end (I mean the real end) of the line for the Viper model, then the GEN Vs will still do fairly well on resale. It is supply and demand. Problem is on the demand side, the kind of people that want the Viper are slowly going down in numbers every year. It is a throwback car no matter how much forward they try to take it technically. How ever having said that, resale GEN V cars are starting to be harder and harder to find. The supply is dwindling and that is a fact!

It will be interesting to see in the future how this shakes out but I have a feeling the GEN V is going to do just fine (in the long run). Hell all it takes is one kiddie car movie where it is the star and there it goes up and away, in this society we live in. Make it a main character in Cars 3 and it will take off.

All Vipers will have their day in the sun. Depends on a lot of things and factors. Collecting has ups and downs. Personally, if I had the money, I would be in a GEN V while I could get in one. I believe they will appreciate after the last car leaves the lot. They will take the rest of the GENs up with them however. BUT we as a community need to document the living hell out of the cars, how to maintain them and work on them, complete with restoration guides and intensely detailed videos. THAT is what will bring them up because chances are it will be the owner who is working on them. Until we realize that and we cross reference approved parts, etc. so that some of the maintenance and upgrades come down. Shave some of the burs off the Viper tax, and watch them climb. Right now they are a bit misunderstood and we need to remove that stigma.

[ViperDC]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have one but the stock brakes, suspension and steering are pretty archaic,then there's the retractable headlight problems, half shafts, transverse leaf spring, chassis rust and even the fiberglass wasn't very good. My auto shop teacher had a 67 convertible that we would work on back in 1974 and 1975.

Well no shit they're 5 decades old...for their time the cars were fantastic.

Still look amazing even today.

[texasram]

That's good to know... soon these cars will appreciate if dealers hold their own on not discounting the cars. But if no one buys them.. they'll be forced to discount them.

Exactly, supply and demand, that's why gas is the price it is

[SharpMan]

Exactly, supply and demand, that's why gas is the price it is

Well S&D and OPEC.

[serpent]

Plus you get bragging rights to quickest, fastest and lightest straight line Viper ever produced in some instances... Point of view is everything... ;)
Suckers point of view (i know it's not yours).
This isnt the same comparison, but its like someone saying they wanted to go fast and got the manual version of the car and base model all because its cheaper and lighter. Only to get smoked by an auto loaded car, how might you ask? Because said base model guy cannot drive for shit. Even if he could drive, he wouldnt be able to out shift today's automatics.

[v10enomous]

I'll meet you half way on this.... If you watch the auctions on TV you will see 60's muscle cars that were minimally optioned to save weight and get the most performance bang for the buck. Plus drag pack cars which even had lighter weight body panels and those cars are very desirable and bring a big premium. Even with today's cars you see cars without back seats, carpeting, radios and air conditioning that command a big premium. Heck... there is an ongoing debate about straight ACR's vs GTC ACR's and future values. I certainly wasn't trying to imply that a GenV SRT Viper like mine would be pricier or more desirable in the future than the more highly optioned Vipers and ACR's, I was just saying that they have the unique distinction of being the lightest and fastest in a straight line for whatever that's worth even if nothing more than conversation.


Suckers point of view (i know it's not yours).
This isnt the same comparison, but its like someone saying they wanted to go fast and got the manual version of the car and base model all because its cheaper and lighter. Only to get smoked by an auto loaded car, how might you ask? Because said base model guy cannot drive for shit. Even if he could drive, he wouldnt be able to out shift today's automatics.

[texasram]

Well S&D and OPEC.

opec is the demand factor of suply and demand

[ViperSRT]

opec is the demand factor of suply and demand

Sorry OPEC is part of the supply side. We are the demand side.

[serpent]

I'll meet you half way on this.... If you watch the auctions on TV you will see 60's muscle cars that were minimally optioned to save weight and get the most performance bang for the buck. Plus drag pack cars which even had lighter weight body panels and those cars are very desirable and bring a big premium. Even with today's cars you see cars without back seats, carpeting, radios and air conditioning that command a big premium. Heck... there is an ongoing debate about straight ACR's vs GTC ACR's and future values. I certainly wasn't trying to imply that a GenV SRT Viper like mine would be pricier or more desirable in the future than the more highly optioned Vipers and ACR's, I was just saying that they have the unique distinction of being the lightest and fastest in a straight line for whatever that's worth even if nothing more than conversation.
I dont know how many of you guys are keeping your gen V, so you cant really use 60's cars to drive your point. That was 50+ years ago, are you going to keep the Gen V for that long?

Also, Im selling my 5.0 and it isnt a base, the base cars are selling for cheaper than the loaded cars. The auto is more desired because it shifts faster and it doesnt have a shitty designed mt82 (dont know why people blame the chinese when they just build it to the designers spec).
Another good example is an a8 Hellcat vs the manual hellcat. The manual version will be lighter, but it is like .5 second - 1 sec slower because of the driver. The auto hellcat is selling for more.

[SharpMan]

Another good example is an a8 Hellcat vs the manual hellcat. The manual version will be lighter, but it is like .5 second - 1 sec slower because of the driver. The auto hellcat is selling for more.

The manual Hellcat is sooooo nice to drive though. Great shifter.