Special Edition Owners What will you do with your car

[uberpube]

I am just curious what people will do with their special edition cars and why they purchased them?
Will you mod it? Keep it bone stock? Store it ? Drive it ? Race it? Limit the mileage? Drive the pants off of it?

[FLATOUT]

Mine will stay stock and might see a track day or two, but mileage will be limited and I will hold on to it long term.

Andy

[FLATOUT]

Going to let ^ decide - if it's not fast it's all his fault ... no pressure.

GTS-R was actually cheaper as a package - the 1 of 1 are the posers :)

Yours is going to be a monster lol.

[Dman]

Mine will stay stock and might see a track day or two, but mileage will be limited and I will hold on to it long term.

Andy

Stock? I thought that was a 4 letter word for you, Andy. lol. I'll believe when I see it. ;-)

[Vprbite]

I specifically want to know where you guys will be storing them and will the key be nearby? Just wondering ; )

[commandomatt]

Special edition, Last edition, Final edition, Dealer edition etc......so many of these have been made over the years that it almost funny. For some reason Dodge really embraced the idea of these 'instant collectibles' when it comes to Vipers, yet interestingly enough there were more of these made than many other great color combos. Essentially making them more common than many of the std production cars made.

I think the 1 of 1's are the hot ones and the special editions are for those that didn't have enough imagination to create their own look

Don't get me wrong. Some (but not all) are good looking combos but not different enough to stand out

I say 1 of 1's rule :p0257:

[OneofOneViper]

Special edition, Last edition, Final edition, Dealer edition etc......so many of these have been made over the years that it almost funny. For some reason Dodge really embraced the idea of these 'instant collectibles' when it comes to Vipers, yet interestingly enough there were more of these made than many other great color combos. Essentially making them more common than may of the std production cars made.

I think the 1 of 1's are the hot ones and the special editions are for those that didn't have enough imagination to create their own look

Don't get me wrong. Some (but not all) are good looking combos but not different enough to stand out

I say 1 of 1's rule :p0257:

100% agree and couldn't have said it better myself.

[FLATOUT]

There were 100 98 GT2/GTS-R's made. How have those held their value in comparison to all other gen 2's?




Special edition, Last edition, Final edition, Dealer edition etc......so many of these have been made over the years that it almost funny. For some reason Dodge really embraced the idea of these 'instant collectibles' when it comes to Vipers, yet interestingly enough there were more of these made than many other great color combos. Essentially making them more common than many of the std production cars made.

I think the 1 of 1's are the hot ones and the special editions are for those that didn't have enough imagination to create their own look

Don't get me wrong. Some (but not all) are good looking combos but not different enough to stand out

I say 1 of 1's rule :p0257:

[uberpube]

Mine will be staying bone stock (except for xpel)and low mileage, once its through the break in period, its getting parked. I was just curious what others were doing with theirs. It's interesting how the package pricing worked out, it was cheaper than optioning out a car through 1 of 1. If the right offer comes along, I'll sell and buy something else.

[OneofOneViper]

There were 100 98 GT2/GTS-R's made. How have those held their value in comparison to all other gen 2's?

You're talking about something that actually changed the design and driving of the car---not just the paint like all these new special edition unit. You're comparing apples to oranges.

[ViperJon]

Mine will be staying bone stock (except for xpel)and low mileage, once its through the break in period, its getting parked. I was just curious what others were doing with theirs. It's interesting how the package pricing worked out, it was cheaper than optioning out a car through 1 of 1. If the right offer comes along, I'll sell and buy something else.

You're actually going to store the car away thinking that it's going to appreciate in value as an investment?

[ViperSmith]

I don't see the point in paying $140,000 for a car. Not drive it. Keep it as an investment. So it is worth $120,000 if your lucky in 10 years -if you are lucky.

Enjoy it.

[uberpube]

Not going complete mothball, but not going to be using as a standard road car either. Money could be made right now on it, but I want to see the car in person.

[Exhlr8n]

1 of 1 Poser pics...!

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[ViperJon]

Not going complete mothball, but not going to be using as a standard road car either. Money could be made right now on it, but I want to see the car in person.

So you're saying that you could make a profit selling it now, after sales tax and other costs.
Got to admit I'm skeptical, but good luck with the investment.

[bigmacsmallfries]

I'm a manual transmission guy, so I have the last of the manuals: a 997.2 911 Turbo, 997.2 GT3 RS, and the last mid-engined Ferrari with a manual, the F430 spyder. So the GTS-R is probably the last of my manual transmission collection. I don't have the time to drive the cars combined more than 3000-4000km/year so I expect to put around 1000km each year on the GTS-R but not for the lack of trying. lol

For you guys buying these as investments, I do think the GTS-R will be worth the most of any iteration of the Viper and more than the other special editions with the Voodoo coming in 2nd, snakeskin ACR 3rd, 1:28 ACR 4th, dealership edition ACR 5th, then the 1 of 1s and finally the standard ACR. I highly doubt the 1 of 1s are or ACR are going to make anybody money in the next few years, not really an 'investment' there's far too many that are being built. As for the 1 of 1s, what one person's idea of a nice colour is doesn't add value to a car. Seems to be exclusive to Porsche PTS on a rarer car.

[commandomatt]

There were 100 98 GT2/GTS-R's made. How have those held their value in comparison to all other gen 2's?

Well, while the 98 certainly has value, there are another half a dozen or more special editions that has not done anything at all. I do find it kind of amusing with all the special and limited editions that have been created over the years. In relationship to the total production number, there has to be more of those 'specials' than from any other brand/model out there.

I myself think that the car that will get more attention down the road than any other will be the White/Black center/Red driver and the Silver/Black center/Red driver. These are unique and what many associate with the return of the ACR....the ultimate street going factory race car

[Vprbite]

I read in some comments somewhere to some jalopnik article that Vipers are painted in "Mommy didn't love me enough colors." I thought that was funny. That 1of1 green ACR firs that bill. I think it's drop dead sexy though. I bet it looks even better in person which is impressive.

[jdcohenmd]

Mine will be Modded day 1. I want the best NA Viper possible. I see the car as a last of the old school manual cars. I want it in my collection and will enjoy driving it on the road and track. I also just acquired a Ford GT 350R for similar reasons, but will keep that stock. As far as profiting on cars that may or may not happen in time, but I leave that up to the dealers. Enjoy your toys or what is the point.

[commandomatt]

Simple question was what are you doing with your Special Edition.

Post a picture of your creative Viper that is not called a Special Edition which sold out immediately ... or did I get that wrong like my lack of imagination :)

Happy Holidays

Hey...part of my post was to definitely stir things up a bit but don't take it to seriously. Just trying to have some fun. We each have our own opinions and most everyone on here has more passion for these Vipers than any other car out there.....me included

The GTS-R is stunning....it really is. The part I don't like about it is the fact that there will be so many of them out there. Not many by other car manufacturers standards but certainly by Viper standards.

With the 1 of 1 offering, I thought it was an incredible opportunity to create the 'right' car and also knowing that it will in fact be a pretty rare combo (not just the exterior color but the car as a whole).

While my 1 of 1 is not visually as powerful as so many of them out there, it is ultimately exactly what I wanted in this machine. I lost a lot of sleep figuring it out and while I definitely had some strong colors on my list, it all came back full circle to one of the first combos that came to mind when I started considering this car. And with that, more of a traditional and timeless design :drive:

Happy Holidays right back at you

[bigmacsmallfries]

Agree have a PTS VooDoo RS and Silver Carrera GT could not justify the PTS plus I liked silver.

The ACR being old school tech manual V10 - not sure what will happen but no intentions on selling so it doesn't matter but many believe the GTS - R will be top of the food chain.

Buying to sell is a tough way to enjoy a car unless you have a collector mindset.

You have a really sweet collection. We have similar tastes. I'd get a carrera GT over any other hypercar.

I feel pretty comfortable with the GTS-R, def wouldn't trade it with any other Viper enjoyment wise or investment wise for that matter.

[uberpube]

So you're saying that you could make a profit selling it now, after sales tax and other costs.
Got to admit I'm skeptical, but good luck with the investment.

I've already turned down a couple of offers on the car just as a paper contract, I thought I would regret not taking delivery of it.

[jdcohenmd]

I went with avalanche grey for the GT350R

[Mark1107]

I would love a GTS-R...I drool.

[SharpMan]

GTS-R looks great but collectability? I don't get it...just paint. If it had some other technical element, and actual racing link / provenance then sure but a paint package? I don't think that constitutes a real collectability. All the stuff that's really worth something from the last 60 years is either achingly beautiful, incredibly limited or has some racing / performance pedigree.

Certainly on that last count ACR-Es in general will be something sought after down the road but I have to wonder about the limited edition models...

[Bmw2nv2000]

Im not buying one so i can just blab about it but id drive the snot out of mine if i had one. Its a viper its gonna loose value for the next 10 years even if you let it sit with 5 miles on it like frankbarba 08 vvo acr that has been for sale for a long time for well under sticker. And if your spending $130k to just look at her and hope to actually get your purchase price back(let alone make a profit) youd be much better off investing that $130k in real estate for profits. And if you just like to look at your acr thats cool too but so much more fun to drive.


I have to agree with others about all the "special" edition vipers that have been produced. Its pretty ridiculous when compared to total over all production numbers. Myself when im looking at buying past vipers i was looking for the combos that were just 2 or 3 made vs the 50 or 150 or 200 special editions. And i still think those truly rare 1 of 2 or 3 color combos (esp in gen 4 acrs) will fetch top numbers some day(like 20-30 years from now) and thats a big maybe

[Vprbite]

My concern is that you could drive it 10 miles per month. And get rear ended at a stoplight. You never know.

You're lucky enough to have one. I say enjoy it and don't look back.

[Bmw2nv2000]

Any ford gt vs any viper when applied to values is apples to oranges

[darbgnik]

I don't have a special edition coming in, but my last Viper was a special edition, and I drove the wheels off of that thing. Tens of thousands of miles and many track days. I got my money's worth.
I plan on this car being worth the low end of the scale for the same reason. But it's your car, do what makes you happy! Whether it be drive it, or look at it.

[Donato]

Now I'm the last one to know anything about investing money but I would think there are much better investment vehicles than cars to invest $120k-140k on. However if your a serous collector than maybe that's your thing..

[Terminator02]

Special edition, Last edition, Final edition, Dealer edition etc......so many of these have been made over the years that it almost funny. For some reason Dodge really embraced the idea of these 'instant collectibles' when it comes to Vipers, yet interestingly enough there were more of these made than many other great color combos. Essentially making them more common than many of the std production cars made.

I think the 1 of 1's are the hot ones and the special editions are for those that didn't have enough imagination to create their own look

Don't get me wrong. Some (but not all) are good looking combos but not different enough to stand out

I say 1 of 1's rule :p0257:

There's actually TONS of GTCs. Many people who customized them I would never look at them twice. They are so individualized to their specific need all the way to some very personal dash plate. Sorry I don't see those being the real "winners." Great cars for sure. The FE 2002 Gen 2 cars hold a nice premium over most other gen 2s and the Gen 2 ACR FE probably fetch the most next to the gtsr. Try to find a Gen IV ACR-X and if you do see what the owner is asking? There are plenty of final editions worth a good amount more than the standard fare.

[uberpube]

And if your spending $130k to just look at her and hope to actually get your purchase price back(let alone make a profit) youd be much better off investing that $130k in real estate for profits.
The problem with real estate is you can't ship it around the world. A car you can sell it into a lot of different markets. You could probably unload any ACR into Japan for a healthy profit at any time, old Dodge B campervans are fetching $25k+ over there. :confused:
The 2017 ACR's on Autotrader in Canada are listed for considerably more than what I paid for the SE, but the economy isn't projected to be that strong here in the near future so I would think to get top dollar it would have to be shipped.
If the price of oil would have stayed $95+, there would likely be a lot more of these cars in Western Canada, especially ACR's, but with the downturn lots of average Joes that bought heavy hardware ended up liquidating toys.

[ViperJon]

Ford GT Heritage carries a nice premiuml.

Oh no....you're "that" guy that shows up in every Viper collectibility thread...
My opinion.....I've yet to see a product or item that is marketed and promoted as a sure fire "collectible" that actually becomes one. Nice little windfall for Viper dealers selling a bunch of cars at MSRP though. If I'm looking for a certain car it's condition and color first. It'll be gone in two years anyway.

[Bruce H.]

Maybe someone can explain how you could justify the purchases of an ACR as an investment that you basically wouldn't use in order to not diminish it's value.

I've purchased used a number of special interest cars over the years that became highly collectible after I purchased them at depreciated value, starting with a Jaguar XKE vert and more recently a Supra TT. When new they were highly rated for performance, well respected, rare in Canada and the US, relatively expensive, discontinued due to low sales, and either not replaced with a next generation model, or not replaced at all. I see a strong parallel between them and all the Gen V variants.

I searched the market extensively to find the best examples and even though I paid a premium for them it was still far less than what the cars had sold for new. While I owned them the enthusiast market gained more of an appreciation for them than when they were brand new and demand and values increased. I drove them all I wanted, even tracked the Supra TT endlessly, sold them for strong money that was considerably more than I had paid, but which was still less than what the cars had sold for new. I suspect this will also be the trend for the Gen V at some point after production ends. The market never really embraced the Gen V, starting with poor media reviews, and many factors that came afterwards. You could write a book on all the reasons why the Gen V never sold in sufficient numbers, why market value went in the toilet, and most recently it's the grenading engines that past, present and prospective owners on the forums obsess over unless the car has lots of miles on it to determine the engine's health.

So I can see how you can buy a new ACR and enjoy owning, driving or tracking it, justifying all expenses including depreciation as the cost of ownership of enjoying an expensive toy under full warranty, but I can't see how you can justify it as an investment if you restrict yourself from using it for fear of putting miles on it that would reduce it's value to a future buyer one day, or worse, if you had the additional costs of owning a second Viper that you would feel able to use as you wish.

Any one that wants a new one will be able to buy a brand new one for some time. But down the road won't used Viper buyers be much more likely to buy one in excellent condition that has miles on it at a significantly depreciated value rather than one that the owner barely drove and is expecting a huge price for? And with each year comes other great performance cars, some of which will surely surpass the performance of the ACR. FCA could develop a modern platform that would be shared among different divisions that a Gen VI could more economically be built on, and certainly affect used ACR values.

I can see a continuing small but reasonably healthy market for well priced used Gen V drivers/trackers, but see new car level serious money going elsewhere unless ACR values demonstrate that they are actually appreciating in value. Show me how this works and maybe I'll buy one or two and squirrel them away somewhere.

[NT-ACR]

Im not buying one so i can just blab about it but id drive the snot out of mine if i had one. Its a viper its gonna loose value for the next 10 years even if you let it sit with 5 miles on it like frankbarba 08 vvo acr that has been for sale for a long time for well under sticker. And if your spending $130k to just look at her and hope to actually get your purchase price back(let alone make a profit) youd be much better off investing that $130k in real estate for profits. And if you just like to look at your acr thats cool too but so much more fun to drive.


I have to agree with others about all the "special" edition vipers that have been produced. Its pretty ridiculous when compared to total over all production numbers. Myself when im looking at buying past vipers i was looking for the combos that were just 2 or 3 made vs the 50 or 150 or 200 special editions. And i still think those truly rare 1 of 2 or 3 color combos (esp in gen 4 acrs) will fetch top numbers some day(like 20-30 years from now) and thats a big maybe

How dare you bring logic into this!

[NT-ACR]

Ford GT Heritage carries a nice premium.

If owners don't sell expect to see a few at auctions that will set the bar.

I don't really care one way or the other but it's not crazy to think they could do well.

Lol. Right on cue!

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Ford GT Heritage carries a nice premium.

If owners don't sell expect to see a few at auctions that will set the bar.

I don't really care one way or the other but it's not crazy to think they could do well.

Lol. Right on cue!

[Policy Limits]

Well so far all I've done is stare at it in my garage! What an incredible machine! !!!

I'm dreaming of a White Christmas!

[commandomatt]

There's actually TONS of GTCs. Many people who customized them I would never look at them twice. They are so individualized to their specific need all the way to some very personal dash plate. Sorry I don't see those being the real "winners." Great cars for sure. The FE 2002 Gen 2 cars hold a nice premium over most other gen 2s and the Gen 2 ACR FE probably fetch the most next to the gtsr. Try to find a Gen IV ACR-X and if you do see what the owner is asking? There are plenty of final editions worth a good amount more than the standard fare.

I didn't say all of the 1 of 1s would be sought after. Of course, there are plenty of guys that built their cars to specs that are very personal and that only appeal to a few. This approach is true for some of the Special edition as well. I personally think that the Dealer edition color scheme is just plain bad and would never consider that car, even at a heavily discounted price

As been mentioned, many buyers will pay a premium for colors and equipment they care about and to them, this is more important than having something the factory decided to call 'unique'. Pre determined cookie cutter collectibles have often failed to perform historically

Also, the 1 of 1 program is new to the Viper production, so it's very possible that these builds will outperform the factory designs. In other words, what you mention as 'standard fare' doesn't really apply to the 1 of 1. How these will do down the road is unknown but I believe they will be something buyers will look for.

[LABrit]

Who cares...they're not going up like LE exotics from Porsche or Ferrari so go out and drive them. Will be a good 10 years before they even remotely start to go up in value.

If you really think it's a solid investment you're dreaming: the viper doesn't have the collectors following like the premium brands and the car market is down 20% on the year anyway: only the very best is selling for huge money. At the moment the main group of people that care about getting the LE Vipers are Viper owners, which says it all.

You're a long time dead - if you have the time and ability, get out and drive it instead of speculating.

I'm off for a quick coffee before the fam wake up in my 1 of 1:

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[Trainerdave]

Special edition, Last edition, Final edition, Dealer edition etc......so many of these have been made over the years that it almost funny. For some reason Dodge really embraced the idea of these 'instant collectibles' when it comes to Vipers, yet interestingly enough there were more of these made than many other great color combos. Essentially making them more common than many of the std production cars made.

I think the 1 of 1's are the hot ones and the special editions are for those that didn't have enough imagination to create their own look

Don't get me wrong. Some (but not all) are good looking combos but not different enough to stand out

I say 1 of 1's rule :p0257:

I think the 2014 numbered TA's rule but I am a tad bit bias hahah!!
In reality ALL Vipers rule doesn't matter the generation, year etc...... when people see you drive down the road they don't say.... hey that is a numbered/final edition/RT/GTS/ACR/GTS/SRT etc.... they say "THAT IS A VIPER"

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[Martin]

All I can say is there are better things to worry and think about than what to do with a car. They're meant to be driven, and unless your abilities to drive it go away, may as well have fun with it. Sure, plenty of them will get crashed - that's a Viper tradition. As far as an investment, I gave up on that notion a long time ago. They won't be worth big bucks until LONG after we're all gone or too old to let the car go because we're still in love with it. Just have fun with them - life is way too short to waste the opportunity to enjoy these things.

[Steve-Indy]

Very well said, Martin...and, Happy Holidays to You and Yours !!

[bigmacsmallfries]

Who cares...they're not going up like LE exotics from Porsche or Ferrari so go out and drive them. Will be a good 10 years before they even remotely start to go up in value.

If you really think it's a solid investment you're dreaming: the viper doesn't have the collectors following like the premium brands and the car market is down 20% on the year anyway: only the very best is selling for huge money. At the moment the main group of people that care about getting the LE Vipers are Viper owners, which says it all.

You're a long time dead - if you have the time and ability, get out and drive it instead of speculating.

I'm off for a quick coffee before the fam wake up in my 1 of 1:

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I generally agree with what LABrit's sentiment with some modification. The Porsche and Ferrari crowd is where the money and the collectors are. No other brand can be considered in the same terms as these two value wise because everything these companies make are on fire and lauded, and so many models have doubled in value over the last few years or so to back that up. With that said, I've noticed the ACR is the first American car, maybe second after the Ford GT where large droves of buyers who are not traditional Viper/Corvette buyers are paying attention and paying up. Seems to me almost half the ACR owners are not previous Viper owners. This car may be the exception to the rule, if there's going to be any American car to buck this trend it's probably going to be the ACR. And I don't necessarily mean values will go up, but values may barely go down either.

Some assumptions here: this probably being the last v10 viper, last use of this chassis, last use of hydraulic steering, and possibly the last manual Viper, in addition to the factory shutting down, plus breaking all these track records has set up a nice final story for the ACR. This IS the American car to have in anyone's collection along with the previous Ford GT (personally I prefer the ACR over the GT but the GT has an incredible following). The special editions are just icing on the cake and may add 10-50% to the overall value of the car down the road but difficult to tell at this point. US economy is very strong going forward. Plenty of money out there to buy and collect.

Lastly, I find it interested how many low mileage Vipers are out there for sale over the years from people that put them in collections over the years. I definitely recommend everyone enjoy them the way they want to. For me, that's driving my collection whenever I can get the chance. With that said, there's lots of people out there with over a dozen cars in the their collection so it doesn't surprise me that a 10 year old car can have 1000km on it or so.

[uberpube]

Again locations matter.
Being able to "just order one" isn't something I would count on, being that it took me 6 months to find a dealer who would actually work on the order. Also Canadians can't buy new cars from US dealers, and then there is the cross border warranty issues.
For fun one weekend, I put my SE up on Kijiji for 2 days at a highly inflated price just to see what would happen. The response was pretty shocking to say the least.

[FLATOUT]

Last year folks, if or when it ever comes back it won't have the same recipe of manually shifted NA power. The Gen V ACR will be the pinnacle for Viper in this format.

The ACR's are selling incredibly well and most are pre sold.

With the platform being axed, the "collectibility" conversation gets a bit more interesting.

[Vprbite]

Last year folks, if or when it ever comes back it won't have the same recipe of manually shifted NA power. The Gen V ACR will be the pinnacle for Viper in this format.

The ACR's are selling incredibly well and most are pre sold.

With the platform being axed, the "collectibility" conversation gets a bit more interesting.

Wouldn't you say there is no shortage of ACRs as well, helping to saturate the market.

[FLATOUT]

Wouldn't you say there is no shortage of ACRs as well, helping to saturate the market.

Nope, I don't think you can ever consider a market "saturated" with under 2,000 examples ever to be produced, it might feel saturated in the short run but it won't be over the next 3-5 years.

Based on the call/order volume we've had at VE and the number of people that REALLY want one but need to wait one or two more years to get it, I'd say the market won't necessarily be like it was in the past.

Also I've seen way more collectors and hyper car owners buying this year than I've ever seen before due to the halt in production with no replacement in the foreseeable future.

Just my opinion based on what I witness everyday working in the Viper business. I could end up being completely wrong (wouldn't be the first time).

[OneofOneViper]

Wouldn't you say there is no shortage of ACRs as well, helping to saturate the market.

I wouldn't say that. Currently (although ordering has been re-opened) I haven't heard of any ACR extreme builds being approved by Dodge which weren't submitted before the shut down. If you want an ACR extreme at this point you either buy used or pre spec built ACR as they show up at dealers. Some dealers still have vipers coming in which they ordered 5-6 months ago right now. Either way, one thing is for certain--ACR-Es are being sold at MSRP and with lots of demand. Who knows what that means for future investment, I think it's crazy to look at a brand new car as an investment if you can't afford the million dollar + cars where only 20 or 50 etc are made. Love the car, do what you want. I won't drive my gen5 ACR-E all that much because it's beautiful and I don't want it to get damaged. I have other cars for that. This one is for me to appreciate and drive on special occasions. I also never plan to sell the car. It will stay in the family.

[Policy Limits]

Feels epic knowing you own the last V10 made with a stick, a numbered low production, exclusive hand made exotic American super car that broke over a dozen race track records. To get the most exclusive special edition made in American colors is just an epic feeling. There isn't a car collector in the world whom would kick one out of his garage. Widest tires on any production car in the world, largest naturally aspirated engine made, exclusively a 3 pedal car, a barely street legal race car. Just wow all around. My window sticker says it was especially made for me as does the dash plaque and custom car cover will match the paint scheme with my name on it. It's so personal and special. I'm obviously biased but then again I could've purchased anything I wanted and the decision wasn't even close in comparison to other choices. Drive and enjoy it as its generally not an investment. But I could definitely see this one turning out that way in the future. I hope I keep mine forever though.

[viperBase1]

Here's a 1998 GTS-R / 1200 miles / $110K
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/cto/5906304176.html

They seem to be holding value pretty well.

[OneofOneViper]

Here's a 1998 GTS-R / 1200 miles / $110K
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/cto/5906304176.html

They seem to be holding value pretty well.

I'm sure you know as well as anyone that what you list something for is not what they sell for in almost all cases. I saw a launch editions for sale on Ebay a few weeks back for 250k. Does that mean launch editions are holding great value as well?

I do agree that GTS-R vipers have held value better than any other viper, but it wasn't just a paint job done to those cars which is one of the big reasons they are holding value so well. The new tribute GTS-R vipers are just a paint job and while I do have some desire to own one of the original GTS-Rs, the new tribute cars have no additional appeal to me over any other ACR-E viper.

[Policy Limits]

The special editions are.......wait for it......Special. in addition to being special edition it's also a 25th anniversary edition and most likely a Final edition. At the end of the day you purchase what makes you happy and for reasons of your own. Every viper is hand made in low volume and is therefore special. However, this one feels extra special.

[Terminator02]

The special editions are.......wait for it......Special. in addition to being special edition it's also a 25th anniversary edition and most likely a Final edition. At the end of the day you purchase what makes you happy and for reasons of your own. Every viper is hand made in low volume and is therefore special. However, this one feels extra special.

You will preach to a group that won't listen. Some people just don't "get it." I totally accept differing viewpoints but these forums have a small portion of people who think they "own you" and write like sophist insecure kids. I just don't understand why they insist on coming to the forums daily. Just silly.

I completely agree, these vipers are special as are all vipers. I think they should be driven as there are much better investments including different cars to buy. However to each their own.

Some people just need to accept that some people want to buy a car and obsess and worry about prices, or paint perfection, or pure racing or just intrinsic street cruising that doesn't need to be justified.

We have the ultimate progression of 25 years of Viper evolution in our gen Vs and especially the ACRE cars. I grew up with the blue and white poster so I'm very biased and passionate. I'm glad some people hope to make a killing on the collectibility of the car as that means mine with miles will be worth more than I think! I just think too many teens or really immature people just keep picking arguments for the sake of "owning us."

Just ironic because we are driving the dream cars of many on here yet we seem to be soo wrong with our logic. I'll continue to bet on myself and take my chances. :bth_smiley_formula1

[viperBase1]

The new tribute GTS-R vipers are just a paint job...

Thanks, I did not know that. :cool:

I get schooled on this Forum every day.

[ViperGeorge]

If I had the money, I would buy two ACR-Es. One to drive and one to look at. Maybe the zero mileage one would be a nice inheritance to my kids in 30 years but I could still enjoy the hell out of the driven one in the meantime.

[Donato]

The special editions are.......wait for it......Special. in addition to being special edition it's also a 25th anniversary edition and most likely a Final edition. At the end of the day you purchase what makes you happy and for reasons of your own. Every viper is hand made in low volume and is therefore special. However, this one feels extra special.

That is just too cool! Do you have video or pics as it goes through the Conner assembly plant? It all just adds to the ownership experience and stories to tell about these amazing cars..

[Special Ed]

You ever notice that when a group of people buy something because it will become collectible one day, that day never comes.

[FLATOUT]

Stage 2 1/4 mile - how quick is it.

I went 9.9@141 with our off the shelf stage 2 package.

[FLATOUT]

The 98 car was in no way a revolutionary leap forward in performance and was also a "tribute" car.


I'm sure you know as well as anyone that what you list something for is not what they sell for in almost all cases. I saw a launch editions for sale on Ebay a few weeks back for 250k. Does that mean launch editions are holding great value as well?

I do agree that GTS-R vipers have held value better than any other viper, but it wasn't just a paint job done to those cars which is one of the big reasons they are holding value so well. The new tribute GTS-R vipers are just a paint job and while I do have some desire to own one of the original GTS-Rs, the new tribute cars have no additional appeal to me over any other ACR-E viper.

[Terminator02]

I went 9.9@141 with our off the shelf stage 2 package.

People postulate the wing holds the car back but in a stage ll and only a 1/4 mile I'm thinking the wing may help get these cars out of the dig faster? What is your take. I think the acre will be very fast through 1/4 mile with the package as it will plant quickly.

[FLATOUT]

People postulate the wing holds the car back but in a stage ll and only a 1/4 mile I'm thinking the wing may help get these cars out of the dig faster? What is your take. I think the acre will be very fast through 1/4 mile with the package as it will plant quickly.

The wing left on eats almost 5mph in the quarter. We had one ACR E customer with a VE heads/cam setup go 10.4@136 with the front splitter extension on and the rear wing removed in +70 ft DA.

[uberpube]

Holding time is going to be a factor for sure....To bad there wasn't a Dodge Daytona/Plymouth Superbird forum around in 1969/1970 to go back and read. A lot of those cars sat on the lots forever and were deeply discounted and had sizeable production numbers.

[uberpube]

Keep in mind those were taken straight to the track - broken fixed right back at it.
They sold nearly 2000 to the general public through the dealerships as street cars, a whole whack of the superbirds were converted back to Road runner sheet metal so they'd sell. Those cars were pretty extreme for most people. Not unlike the ACR is today.

[1of1TA1.0]

Andy, I don't disagree that it was a tribute car but it had quite a few unique items. The new GTS-R is just that, a paint scheme. No offense meant by this but in 1998 there was not a VooDoo Edition, a Dealer Edition, the Snakeskin Green Editions, the GTS-R edition, don't forget a True 1 of 1 option etc.... I believe all of the final special editions will retain their value more than most other Gen V's but the Gen 2 GTS-R is sure to be a highly collectible car, even with 100 of them made.
The 98 car was in no way a revolutionary leap forward in performance and was also a "tribute" car.

[bluesrt]

the dealer edition and voodoo cars will allways be a wanted top dollar car

[ACRucrazy]

Andy, I don't disagree that it was a tribute car but it had quite a few unique items. The new GTS-R is just that, a paint scheme. No offense meant by this but in 1998 there was not a VooDoo Edition, a Dealer Edition, the Snakeskin Green Editions, the GTS-R edition, don't forget a True 1 of 1 option etc.... I believe all of the final special editions will retain their value more than most other Gen V's but the Gen 2 GTS-R is sure to be a highly collectible car, even with 100 of them made.

And a packet of Polaroids! The Gen 2 is awesome!

[FLATOUT]

And a packet of Polaroids! The Gen 2 is awesome!

Ah Polaroids :D Something else I will have to explain to my children that will make me feel like a grandpa lol.

Andy

[swexlin]

Ah Polaroids :D Something else I will have to explain to my children that will make me feel like a grandpa lol.

Andy

Well, I'm old enough to remember my mother's Polaroid Land Camera which produced the pictures you had to wait, then peel - they didn't develop before your eyes!

[uberpube]

Well, I'm old enough to remember my mother's Polaroid Land Camera which produced the pictures you had to wait, then peel - they didn't develop before your eyes!
Black and white or color?

[swexlin]

Hey, I'm not that old - color!

[Track Pack]

ttt

[serpent]

People postulate the wing holds the car back but in a stage ll and only a 1/4 mile I'm thinking the wing may help get these cars out of the dig faster? What is your take. I think the acre will be very fast through 1/4 mile with the package as it will plant quickly.
Lol that is the funniest shit I've read here. Just stop. The wing isn't helping for drag or top speed application. Just like the c7z z07 rear spoiler, shit is anti top speed.

[ViperSRT]

Yep, must be the weight of the wing that helps it "dig faster."

No, the wing only works with air velocity. And the force increases with the square of the velocity so at low speeds it does almost nothing. Now if you had a dragster that put down substantially more power mid track at already high speeds that may differ. But that is not the Vipers league.

[Terminator02]

Yep, must be the weight of the wing that helps it "dig faster."

No, the wing only works with air velocity. And the force increases with the square of the velocity so at low speeds it does almost nothing. Now if you had a dragster that put down substantially more power mid track at already high speeds that may differ. But that is not the Vipers league.

Well I didn't proof this from weeks ago and usually write when I have a minute to type from a phone. To clarify, I meant the tires would help get the car going faster than other models from "the dig" and that the package may help put up some serious times at the track. I was actually going against the reviews being surprised that the ACR puts up some of the faster 1/4 times despite the wing. My point was the tires and package combined should put up some of the best times from the dig. Roll racing would have some impact on times as drag becomes a bigger factor.

I see how my post was confusing. Hopefully you get your viper out a bit this weekend as the weather will be near sixty in metro Detroit.

[Purple Haze]

What he said....


Feels epic knowing you own the last V10 made with a stick, a numbered low production, exclusive hand made exotic American super car that broke over a dozen race track records. To get the most exclusive special edition made in American colors is just an epic feeling. There isn't a car collector in the world whom would kick one out of his garage. Widest tires on any production car in the world, largest naturally aspirated engine made, exclusively a 3 pedal car, a barely street legal race car. Just wow all around. My window sticker says it was especially made for me as does the dash plaque and custom car cover will match the paint scheme with my name on it. It's so personal and special. I'm obviously biased but then again I could've purchased anything I wanted and the decision wasn't even close in comparison to other choices. Drive and enjoy it as its generally not an investment. But I could definitely see this one turning out that way in the future. I hope I keep mine forever though.

[ViperSRT]

Terminator understood. Tires definitely help.

Sorry about the tongue in cheek ribbing. Was in that kind of mood. :)

Now if only I had a car in Michigan ... (one is in Florida at my vacation house and the new one is in D1 status, so no where near ready to drive).

[Policy Limits]

Was 72 in New England yesterday. ...can't wait until this sand & salt is off the roads. Almost time !

[Stealth78]

Was 72 in New England yesterday. ...can't wait until this sand & salt is off the roads. Almost time !

Seriously this is torcher, sunshine, 70, but crap covered roads.... Ugh... But I drive a measly "has been GenIV" so I shouldn't be so worried. Sorry couldn't help myself

[Policy Limits]

Let it go. The beamer dude caught a one week vaca. Where u from? Lowell? Fall River? Chelsea?

[Stealth78]

Let it go. The beamer dude caught a one week vaca. Where u from? Lowell? Fall River? Chelsea?

Just outside of Worcester. I was the one that previously mentioned that I can't wait to see your car if you are at Thompson Speedway or Palmer MotorSports Park, which is about 10-15 minutes fromy house.

[Policy Limits]

Cool. I went to Assumption. See u at the track(s)!

[ACRSNK]

Seriously this is torcher, sunshine, 70, but crap covered roads.... Ugh... But I drive a measly "has been GenIV" so I shouldn't be so worried. Sorry couldn't help myself

So take out the Viper truck then! Good Time with that thing...Surely Right? That thing is Totally Awesome as well!

[Stealth78]

So take out the Viper truck then! Good Time with that thing...Surely Right? That thing is Totally Awesome as well!

It is a Totally Astounding vehicle as well. Great To See you posting about something Relevant.

[uberpube]

It is a Totally Astounding vehicle as well. Great To See you posting about something Relevant.

Which srt-10 truck do you have? I have a 2006 quad cab, we drive it year round, even have a winter tires on it right now on 20" replicas. It's really good in snow, better than most would expect.

[Stealth78]

Which srt-10 truck do you have? I have a 2006 quad cab, we drive it year round, even have a winter tires on it right now on 20" replicas. It's really good in snow, better than most would expect.

Ha! I've had two, both regular cabs. I had a black 06 that I wish I never sold, and I still have my silver 04. These trucks really are a blast and seem to be bullet proof. I've never run either one in the snow, Hell I try not to even drive em in the rain. My 04 has about 26K miles on it and does not have a spot of rust on the undercarriage. Honestly these trucks are getting harder and harder to find, well clean ones anyway. With under 10,000 total trucks ever built and only about half of them being regular cabs with the Viper 6 speed they are definitely rare. I've seen endless pictures of them being totalled, and then there are a bunch with high mileage for sale. I can't imagine there are much more than 100-200 of them in the world that are what I would consider clean. Are you on the VTCOA? I've been on there for years running the same screen name, hence my screen name as my 06 was completely murdered out. There is nothing stealthy about a SSG Viper. Lol!

[customryder]

The true "cz" vin numbers acr's will probably be worth the most 40 years from now. Just my guess... are are building a lot of these gtc/acr's

[Scott_in_fl]

The true "cz" vin numbers acr's will probably be worth the most 40 years from now. Just my guess... are are building a lot of these gtc/acr's

I don't believe this.

[OneofOneViper]

The true "cz" vin numbers acr's will probably be worth the most 40 years from now. Just my guess... are are building a lot of these gtc/acr's

Not a chance. They don't even hold as good in resale right now. Just because less are made doesn't mean they have higher demand. Lower production numbers only contribute one factor into what a car will be worth in the future.

[customryder]

none of the gtc owners will believe this. I get it.