anyone looking to sell their viper or trade in to a dealership

[V10powerr]

i am looking for a 13 , 14 or 15 viper. could be base or gts.
Anyone looking to sell or thinking of trading their car, let me know.
my budget is 65k max and i can possibly get you a tax credit if I run the transaction through a used car dealer that you would have a year to use.
before those that are asking for more get upset, this is not to bring down the value of your vipers. Lower mile cars with more options go for more and i understand that.
there are people who are looking to trade that are being offered low 60's for base models thru car dealerships. I am appealing to them. not as concerned with number of miles, as long as the car is under factory warranty.
Please PM me.
clean titles please
cash buyer

[99RT10]

Might want to check Facebook. There was a red SRT track pack for $68K, maybe you guys can make a deal on it.

[serpent]

Might want to check Facebook. There was a red SRT track pack for $68K, maybe you guys can make a deal on it.
I dont have a facebook, but what do I need to do to see these facebook for sale ads? (besides starting an account)

[BJG32]

I dont have a facebook, but what do I need to do to see these facebook for sale ads? (besides starting an account)

21809


You need an account, but this is the ad referenced. I believe it's in the classifieds here too listed at $72,500.....he is now taking $67,500

[swexlin]

As a fellow Red Track Pack owner - ughh. But I'm not selling....

[Vegaskid]

Finding a valid warranty may be tough.. Double check with seller regarding any mods

[V10powerr]

thanks all, please them them coming. need to do some research as there seem to be threads on this.
if someone can please tell me if arrow pcm voids warranty or not. just a yes or a know or maybe even not worth the risk bc of denials of coverage

thanks

[Boosted Motorsports]

thanks all, please them them coming. need to do some research as there seem to be threads on this.
if someone can please tell me if arrow pcm voids warranty or not. just a yes or a know or maybe even not worth the risk bc of denials of coverage

thanks

Nope doesn't void your warranty! You can do Arrow PCM, headers, exhaust, and FCA will still cover your engine under R28 Recall....

[Space Truckin]

Nope doesn't void your warranty! You can do Arrow PCM, headers, exhaust, and FCA will still cover your engine under R28 Recall....

^^^Where is this written???^^^ :web_driver:

[The_Ruski_Driver]

thanks all, please them them coming. need to do some research as there seem to be threads on this.
if someone can please tell me if arrow pcm voids warranty or not. just a yes or a know or maybe even not worth the risk bc of denials of coverage

thanks

DEF won't cover you
OP arrow 100% voids warranty

[BJG32]

^^^Where is this written???^^^ :web_driver:


:fpopcorn:

[Boosted Motorsports]

^^^Where is this written???^^^ :web_driver:

Isn't that what the salesmen are trained to say at the dealership when you buy the arrow controller off them and they install it? :lol2:

[edc]

As a fellow Red Track Pack owner - ughh. But I'm not selling....

Well, his does have over 10k miles on it I think? So if your car has much less you should still be safe.. hah

[swexlin]

Well, his does have over 10k miles on it I think? So if your car has much less you should still be safe.. hah
11,500 on mine. Like I said, ugh.....

[BJG32]

He bought from a friend of mine for $65k. My friend impatiently sold low so he could get a Gallardo. New owner immediately put it up for sale for $75k. He's eating humble pie now on the flip attempt. I assume he's only motivated right now to get rid of it prior to 12/31 to avoid personal property tax. That car should not be selling in the 60's. He's not advertising correctly. Posted on 2 sites where people already own vipers and craigslist. You gotta have a car like that on Ebay too...its only $125 if it sells. It would of sold already.

[BJG32]

Big difference Scott.....his car has no warranty and yours does. That's a huge factor with these motors.

His car has a full warranty. 10 years. No mods or PCM.


***My car falls under the recent release of the extended powertrian warranty from dodge - best case situation to be in, own a 13-14 car that passed the recall (nothing was wrong with it) and still get the warranty extened to 10 years*** This is the situation for my car.

10 year 100k mile warranty - documentation from FCA included in sale.

[river rat]

21809


You need an account, but this is the ad referenced. I believe it's in the classifieds here too listed at $72,500.....he is now taking $67,500

Dang! That is a good deal.

[ViperJon]

His car has a full warranty. 10 years. No mods or PCM.


***My car falls under the recent release of the extended powertrian warranty from dodge - best case situation to be in, own a 13-14 car that passed the recall (nothing was wrong with it) and still get the warranty extened to 10 years*** This is the situation for my car.

10 year 100k mile warranty - documentation from FCA included in sale.

My apologies. Had it mixed up with the very low mileage 2015 in the classifieds with the headers and PCM.

[Space Truckin]

Isn't that what the salesmen are trained to say at the dealership when you buy the arrow controller off them and they install it? :lol2:


Hahaha.....

[Lemur]

DEF won't cover you
OP arrow 100% voids warranty

FCA has still honored r28 recalls even with arrow tunes installed. I know that's different than the warranty debacle, but I thought I'd add that tidbit.

[Terminator02]

I agree with the above regarding learning how to sell a vehicle. It's really sad to see cars having to be sold for the 60s when they are ending production, no replacement in sight and there are no real NA, manual V10 players in the segment. I think the community gets the beat down from the forums regarding prices and worth (or lack thereof) and then remember the lack of positive magazine publicity, lack of public awareness about the brand and then they just make a low ball price so someone goes "oh man I can afford this!" I understand if health concerns or something just unforseen happens which prompts a quick sale. I get it; life happens. That's why I dumped my brand new Gen V for a used Gen V that was worth it. However I see so many people selling out of fear of a potential of problems to occur and they are willing to take such a giant loss on the car that it probably outweighs the small chance of having to fix it if something occurred! Honestly there is no reason a clean low mile no stories SRT track pack shouldn't sell in the 70s. Only stories cars should be sold in the 60s. Just a shame.

[The_Ruski_Driver]

FCA has still honored r28 recalls even with arrow tunes installed. I know that's different than the warranty debacle, but I thought I'd add that tidbit.

What if you passed R28 then motor blew after and you had the Arrow Comp? Sounds like the smart thing would have been to just install the controller and use the R28 as a get out of jail free card- I don't think that makes much sense. Care to elaborate?

[Lemur]

What if you passed R28 then motor blew after and you had the Arrow Comp? Sounds like the smart thing would have been to just install the controller and use the R28 as a get out of jail free card- I don't think that makes much sense. Care to elaborate?

passing r28 and then motor blowing with arrow tune is the controversial thing right now. if your motor goes due to 'the same thing as r28' you aren't suddenly considered an r28 car... even though you probably should be. i think in time it wont be an issue having the arrow tune, but that time could take awhile.. a year? who knows...

[BJG32]

I agree 100%. Selling your car $8k under it's value to save on a possible $8k repair is asinine. Especially since the repair allows you an opportunity to make the engine bullet proof and worry free!

Glad I have no plans to sell. Values will climb once production ends and we filter out the crazy owners.

[Lemur]

I agree 100%. Selling your car $8k under it's value to save on a possible $8k repair is asinine. Especially since the repair allows you an opportunity to make the engine bullet proof and worry free!

Glad I have no plans to sell. Values will climb once production ends and we filter out the crazy owners.

Exactly!!

[AZTVR]

FCA has still honored r28 recalls even with arrow tunes installed. I know that's different than the warranty debacle, but I thought I'd add that tidbit.

I am guessing that you don't mean what your statement implies. R28 is both the testing AND replacement of the engine if required. NOT just the testing. Please clarify if you only mean that the testing portion is what they will do if arrow tunes are installed; or, if you know of a car which has had the engine replaced as a result of an r28 test failure, that would be good to hear.

Copied from the FCA notice:



CUSTOMER SATISFACTION NOTIFICATION R28/R29
FCA will repair your vehicle free of charge. To address R28, the oil contamination issue, your
dealer will complete a free engine oil & filter change and send the used oil filter to FCA for analysis.
If FCA’s analysis of the oil filter is positive for debris, the dealer will contact you to schedule
replacement of the engine and related oil cooler components. If a new engine is not required, the
dealer will contact you to inform you that you do not need to return to the dealership.

[Lemur]

I am guessing that you don't mean what your statement implies. r28 is the testing AND replacement of the engine if required. NOT just the testing. Please clarify if you only mean that the testing portion is what they will do; or, if you know of a car which has had the engine replaced as a result of an r28 test failure, that would be good to hear.

Copied from the FCA notice:

I'll clarify, I was told by a well known Viper tech, who I don't want to name, that he had done r28 engine warranty engine replacements on cars with arrow tunes.

[AZTVR]

I'll clarify, I was told by a well known Viper tech, who I don't want to name, that he had done r28 engine warranty engine replacements on cars with arrow tunes.

Well, that is surprising ! Thanks for that clarification. No one has even hinted at that before.

[swexlin]

I'll clarify, I was told by a well known Viper tech, who I don't want to name, that he had done r28 engine warranty engine replacements on cars with arrow tunes.

Recently? Entirely possible BEFORE the warranty crackdown, but now that even stock engines have to wait weeks for a replacement to be approved, I don't think anymore.

[Lemur]

Recently? Entirely possible BEFORE the warranty crackdown, but now that even stock engines have to wait weeks for a replacement to be approved, I don't think anymore.

I should have asked when, it didn't sound like it was in the last few months though

[Donato]

As some of you may know I’ve been researching C7 Z06 vs. Viper purchase, as far as price trends I came across this price trending tool on CarGuru. I couldn’t tell you what it all means but the graph for Corvette is very different than the graph for Viper for the same time period. With all the threads on Viper pricing I thought some of you may find it of interest, I did because other cars I looked up all followed a similar downward slope as the Corvette graph. Viper price trends seem to be somewhat of an anomaly for any year of Viper I charted.

BTW I decided on Viper but still not sure about Gen-4 ACR or Gen-5.

[Lemur]

As some of you may know I’ve been researching C7 Z06 vs. Viper purchase, as far as price trends I came across this price trending tool on CarGuru. I couldn’t tell you what it all means but the graph for Corvette is very different than the graph for Viper for the same time period. With all the threads on Viper pricing I thought some of you may find it of interest, I did because other cars I looked up all followed a similar downward slope as the Corvette graph. Viper price trends seem to be somewhat of an anomaly for any year of Viper I charted.

BTW I decided on Viper but still not sure about Gen-4 ACR or Gen-5.

I've been looking for something like this for awhile. How far back does their data go? Where on their site is this data?

[Uranium235]

The numbers on those charts don't tell much. Comparing the price trends Corvette vs. Viper over a year and half is useless. In that period of time, it's probable that 10 times as many Vettes were sold as Vipers. Therefore, each little spike or trough in the chart on the right could be the sale of one or two cars, could be fully loaded GTS or base models. There just isn't nearly as much of a sample size on the Viper chart. The Vette graph is much smoother simply because of the sheer number sold.

[Donato]

I've been looking for something like this for awhile. How far back does their data go? Where on their site is this data?

Just Google ("car make and model" price trends), a link to CarGuru will come up. I'm not sure how to access the tool directly from CarGuru. I would guess you could model back as far as CarGuru has been tracking car prices.

[Donato]

The numbers on those charts don't tell much. Comparing the price trends Corvette vs. Viper over a year and half is useless. In that period of time, it's probable that 10 times as many Vettes were sold as Vipers. Therefore, each little spike or trough in the chart on the right could be the sale of one or two cars, could be fully loaded GTS or base models. There just isn't nearly as much of a sample size on the Viper chart. The Vette graph is much smoother simply because of the sheer number sold.

I do realize there are less Viper points to plot but compared to my previous car (BMW M5 V10) there were about 20k cars made with 18k cars in the USA and still the chart looks different. There are currently 224 M5 V10s for sale nationwide compared to 400 Vipers. Now I’m the last one to claim to be an expert on any of this, I just found it of interest.

Just FYI, V10 M5 prices have tanked in the last few years due to a similar mysterious engine malfunction with spinning rod bearings. However the difference being the parts for the V10 M5 are super expensive and the electronics are such that when you replace the engine it’s still questionable if it will ever run correctly again and the cost to fix it is more than the car is worth.

The V10 M5 is an engineering masterpiece with a 205mph top speed and a 507hp NA 5.0 liter V10 that revs up to 8350 rpm and that engine just screams. It’s a crying shame that such a fine automobile will be basically worth scrap metal in a few more years.

[V10powerr]

guys no doubt, the viper holds better value than the vette and also imo just a piece of art though i like the vette too, just not as exclusive.
still looking for the person looking to trade their car as trade values are low.
does anyone recommend any auctions I could find a gen v at?

thanks

[Lemur]

guys no doubt, the viper holds better value than the vette and also imo just a piece of art though i like the vette too, just not as exclusive.
still looking for the person looking to trade their car as trade values are low.
does anyone recommend any auctions I could find a gen v at?

thanks

I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I highly doubt you'll see a gen V viper sent through an auction. I mean, it will happen eventually, but you'll be waiting/searching for a LONG time. I don't think it's a viable purchase strategy. I'd just buy something that's a good deal in the winter.

[Boosted Motorsports]

guys no doubt, the viper holds better value than the vette and also imo just a piece of art though i like the vette too, just not as exclusive.
still looking for the person looking to trade their car as trade values are low.
does anyone recommend any auctions I could find a gen v at?

thanks

If the red GTS with track pack listed for $67,500 right now doesn't sound like an amazing price you may be looking at the wrong vehicle for your budget...

[Lemur]

If the red GTS with track pack listed for $67,500 right now doesn't sound like an amazing price you may be looking at the wrong vehicle for your budget...

LOL seriously

[BJG32]

Yep... getting into salvage territory. No clean tittled gen 5 should be in the 60's. Yes it happens, but its out of ignorance/desperation of the seller.

Make the guy an offer. Find out what personal property taxes are and shave that off the asking price as your offer. He'll lose that money anyway if he owns it on 1/1/2017.

[V10powerr]

did not realize that was a gts- thought it was a track pack- there is another in in WI with a branded title gts for 69k if anyone is interested
a clean gts for 68 is a hell of a deal but dont think this one is a gts.

[darbgnik]

If the red GTS with track pack listed for $67,500 right now doesn't sound like an amazing price you may be looking at the wrong vehicle for your budget...

No disrespect intended to the OP, but this is my thought as well.

[V10powerr]

guys no disrespect taken, i totally agree with you guys 68 for a gts is great but not sure if your facts are right, thats not a GTS

[darbgnik]

guys no disrespect taken, i totally agree with you guys 68 for a gts is great but not sure if your facts are right, thats not a GTS

You're right, it's not a GTS. But strangely enough, even though the GTS can cost tens of thousands more, to purchase, the resale and trade in value don't reflect it.

You pay a little more for a used GTS, but get a lot more bells and whistles for the little extra. The used SRT's are cheaper, but not nearly as much as you'd think. Go figure! That track pack car is as cheap as you'll find a non story car, if it indeed has no stories.....

[OneofOneViper]

Personal preferences aside, the resale for GTS and SRT are the same because by far the majority of the people buying vipers prefer the SRT hood over the GTS. The GTS has a nice interior, but the hood plays a huge part and for years my friends and I wondered why Dodge gave the SRT version the better hood. It just comes down to not understanding the customer. Most buying a Viper want the aggressive look, not a smoother more refined look. It's showing up in resale values now.

[Dman]

I'll clarify, I was told by a well known Viper tech, who I don't want to name, that he had done r28 engine warranty engine replacements on cars with arrow tunes.

Pretty much certain that if that happened, it was prior to Sept. FCA has the take pics and check deltas of mileage, all sorts of checks that can have nothing to do with what's wrong, just to look for warranty denial. No one is getting covered with an Arrow, even suspension mods like lowering, is voiding entire car warranty from FCA. Welcome to the new Dodge. You mod anything, you're on your own.

[Dman]

Personal preferences aside, the resale for GTS and SRT are the same because by far the majority of the people buying vipers prefer the SRT hood over the GTS. The GTS has a nice interior, but the hood plays a huge part and for years my friends and I wondered why Dodge gave the SRT version the better hood. It just comes down to not understanding the customer. Most buying a Viper want the aggressive look, not a smoother more refined look. It's showing up in resale values now.

Yea, people don't give value credit for the GTS, buyers compare prices of base $85k cars with $140k stickered cars. That's why GTSs have such devasting depreciation. The upscale model thing just didn't hold in the aftermarket. Even new they pretty much ditched it for the GT. When I see all the GTSs the Gerry Wood bought for 2017, it blows my mind, new and aftermarket have shown they're just not valued up over a GT in buyers minds.

[ViperSmith]

I am getting ready to list my Silver 2015 SRT with 8,000 miles for $71k. never modded. New rear tires and new fronts sitting in the basement.

[Dman]

I am getting ready to list my Silver 2015 SRT with 8,000 miles for $71k. never modded. New rear tires and new fronts sitting in the basement.
This makes me sad, Harold.

Amazing price for a sweet silver snake.

[edc]

I dropped the price on my 2015 SRT with 1200 miles down to $75k. I'm guessing the Arrow PCM is scaring people off from a brand new car. I guess I'll have to keep it :( lol Maybe I'll raise the price back up in Spring time when more people are looking to purchase?


I think the whole worry about loss of warranty thing is kind of silly though. That's how it is for ANY car maker. But understandable since the Vipers have recently had some issues. Meh, my oil level is always in the safe zone with no usage noted.:t89039:

Anyone notice the Corvette automatic 8-speeds eating themselves recently? ;)

[ViperSmith]

This makes me sad, Harold.

Amazing price for a sweet silver snake.
Buy it and mod to your hearts content 😂

[swexlin]

I am getting ready to list my Silver 2015 SRT with 8,000 miles for $71k. never modded. New rear tires and new fronts sitting in the basement.

Sorry to hear Harold. That's a nice car.

[V10powerr]

harold can you please pm me details of the car- options, date of warranty expiration, location.

[GerryWoodViper]

Yea, people don't give value credit for the GTS, buyers compare prices of base $85k cars with $140k stickered cars. That's why GTSs have such devasting depreciation. The upscale model thing just didn't hold in the aftermarket. Even new they pretty much ditched it for the GT. When I see all the GTSs the Gerry Wood bought for 2017, it blows my mind, new and aftermarket have shown they're just not valued up over a GT in buyers minds.

The GTS order amounted to only 7 of the 141 Vipers we ordered, and we are seeing movement on them. We are delivering our black GTS today, and we have deposits on 2 others. The Viper buyer is moving from GT's to GTS as this is the last year and for just 15% more you get a lot more. Price is secondary to finding "that right car" that will be the last one the client will be able to buy brand new. The sales history of Viper bares little relevance to the current market, as one would expect when an entire car culture is forced to buy their last new car.

our ADVANCED AERO SOLID edition cars are also picking up, as the carbon treatment and Advanced Aero look is popular for those who don't want the "hey look at me" ACR-E Spec and rough ride.

[V10powerr]

quick update - 2 options on the table, will keep you posted. someone also contacted me with a great deal on a 15 vette, not z06 (different animal) but lets see what happens.
one of them told me that their base model trade in by a dealer came in at 62k! he is looking into the ACR when he sells the base model.

[AZTVR]

one of them told me that their base model trade in by a dealer came in at 62k! he is looking into the ACR when he sells the base model.

So, I guess that you would be expecting to pay at minimum, the trade-in value plus what the seller would have saved on sales tax by trading it in.

[Arizona Vipers]

So, I guess that you would be expecting to pay at minimum, the trade-in value plus what the seller would have saved on sales tax by trading it in.

Yeah, that PLUS whatever the dealer is making on the car he's trading in for. Trade in values mean nothing.

[The_Ruski_Driver]

Yeah, that PLUS whatever the dealer is making on the car he's trading in for. Trade in values mean nothing.

Exactly, they are a business, they have to make money. That 62k car will be listed at 82-85, they wouldn't even entertain an offer in the 60s.

[V10powerr]

agreed, i have to offer them more than the trade in plus tax break to make sure its a win for him too not just a break even.

[theviper]

agreed, i have to offer them more than the trade in plus tax break to make sure its a win for him too not just a break even.

The dealer doesn't need to make $20K to break even! If Vipers appreciate, great. But you have 4 choices...buy what you like and pay a little higher, buy something the dealer needs to sell, buy from a private party, buy a previously wrecked one.

[Synergy]

That 13 track pack at 68k is a no brainer...

[ek1]

I agree with the above regarding learning how to sell a vehicle. It's really sad to see cars having to be sold for the 60s when they are ending production, no replacement in sight and there are no real NA, manual V10 players in the segment. I think the community gets the beat down from the forums regarding prices and worth (or lack thereof) and then remember the lack of positive magazine publicity, lack of public awareness about the brand and then they just make a low ball price so someone goes "oh man I can afford this!" I understand if health concerns or something just unforseen happens which prompts a quick sale. I get it; life happens. That's why I dumped my brand new Gen V for a used Gen V that was worth it. However I see so many people selling out of fear of a potential of problems to occur and they are willing to take such a giant loss on the car that it probably outweighs the small chance of having to fix it if something occurred! Honestly there is no reason a clean low mile no stories SRT track pack shouldn't sell in the 70s. Only stories cars should be sold in the 60s. Just a shame.

From what I recall, a similar thing happened with Chrysler's winged cars (like '69 Daytona, '70 Superbird, etc.). Incredible cars for the time, but very few actual people willing to pay money for them. I think I read a story in some car magazine on how someone scored a '69 Daytona for pennies on the dollar (like 40% of original MSRP) back in 71. Of course today you need a quarter mil to get a pristine example. Same thing may happen with ACRs some day, except most of us here won't be around to see it. Yet another reason to drive yours as often as possible and enjoy it.

As far as the giant loss is concerned, the definition of "giant" differs from one person to another. A car dealership where I got one of my other cars routinely gets a stream of 1-2 year old cars. They sell them for $225k-$350K new and people trade them in 1-2 years later at 50%-60% of that on a trade-in. So someone takes a loss of $75K a year and does not look back.

[gregtrips]

I now own that red 13' track package here in Texas. great car and great price. It ended up being traded in to a dealer in Georgia and I just had them add a maxcare bumper to bumper warranty which is good until 2021 and of course the 10 year powertrain which is good until 2023.

[ACRSNK]

I now own that red 13' track package here in Texas. great car and great price. It ended up being traded in to a dealer in Georgia and I just had them add a maxcare bumper to bumper warranty which is good until 2021 and of course the 10 year powertrain which is good until 2023.

Congrats! Nice car!

[swexlin]

I now own that red 13' track package here in Texas. great car and great price. It ended up being traded in to a dealer in Georgia and I just had them add a maxcare bumper to bumper warranty which is good until 2021 and of course the 10 year powertrain which is good until 2023.


Nice choice (but I could be biased, see sig!) Congrats. I think there are 100 of the 13 Red SRT Track Pack cars, if that means anything.....