15K Voucher

[theviper]

I'm curious how many people still have their $15K Voucher and have not used it. Feel free to reply or PM.

[sharmut]

Sitting on mine. Have not decided to replace the TA with a 2017 ACR-E. The GTS-R look-alike at VE looks enticing. (http://www.viperexchange.com/vehicle-details/2017-dodge-viper-gtc-acr-extreme-tx-id-15554183). The more time the TA spends on the track the stronger the attraction of the ACR-E becomes.
Another option is keep the TA and redirect the cost difference to another toy, possibly a GT350R or C7 Z06(2016) or C7 GS. The current deep discounts on 2016 C7-Z06 makes it attractive. If the current ADM wasn't silly on the GT350R, that would be the first pick.

[Terminator02]

Ta values are strong though so the voucher may more than make up depreciation which was its goal. However you can't go wrong with the TA and another great ride. Personally the TA is the best car for my needs. However it sounds like you would really benefit from the acre on the track and the acre is truly the best Viper ever made. I'd go acre based on what you said.

[Bruce H.]

Still have mine in the vault, but damn if I'm not already driving the ultimate Viper for my current needs :drive:

[my bandit]

Is this voucher transferable or is it only to the granted owner? I have someone that is willing to sell me it but I wanted to know if anyone else knew the details. It would be nice to purchase a new Viper over a used one.

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

Is this voucher transferable or is it only to the granted owner? I have someone that is willing to sell me it but I wanted to know if anyone else knew the details. It would be nice to purchase a new Viper over a used one.
Only To The Original Owner, It Is Not Transferable, And Expires 2018, So Use It Or Lose It.

[ACRSNK]

Also curious how many people actually used their vouchers. All I keep hearing about is the people that have them, but never used them.

[flyboy1of1]

Hello All, Traded my 2013 GTS on a 1 of 1 [Stryker Orange GTC-Sepia interior]2017. Suffered a financial hit !! Would not of traded if not for the $15,000.00 coupon.Thanks.

[Bill Pemberton]

There have been quite a few used , and not all for the 2017 model year. Many used theirs in 2015 and 2016 , so though there are some still out there , they have been being applied over the years.

[Voice of Reason]

I traded my 13 in on my 14 the day it came in the mail, Sept 11, 2014. I occasionally think about what I'd do today if I still had my 13 + the voucher and I would have been strongly tempted to get an ACRE. But in reality the TA makes the most sense for how often I street drive + race.

[genVer]

Used mine on a ACRE from Woodhouse!

[theviper]

Also curious how many people actually used their vouchers. All I keep hearing about is the people that have them, but never used them.

That's why I started the thread. Seems like a lot of vouchers will go unused. Doesn't make sense for most people to use the voucher to just buy a newer Viper that is the same. The only reason for most current owners would be to get an ACR.

[Bill Pemberton]

Since we have done a large number of Vouchers, the idea that folks would only get an ACR to move up is not necessarily what we saw happen. Since the carbon fiber packages came out super late in 2013 , we had a lot of folks order regular Vipers , but with Aerodynamic kits,exterior carbon option group, or wait till the One of One came along , and customize their Snake. In 2015 we were heavy into Vouchers with even more changes. We have done a reasonable number of Vouchers in 2016 and have some on orders for 2017, but there have been some dramatic changes since 2013 and early 2014 ------- TAs ( 1.0 and 2.0 ) , One of Ones, ACRs , etc.

[Voice of Reason]

I know that if I still had mine there'd be NO WAY I'd let it expire without using it. Even if you just trade in what you have for exactly the same thing you'll come out ahead unless you have a loaded GTS 13/14. Then I feel for you on trade value.

[Stealth]

While I am glad FCA provided the Voucher, it is tough to justify its use in CA or in my case. I have a '14 GTS with all of the Carbon Fiber on the exterior plus TA Sway Bars and just love it. Even if there was a Gen V Viper model that I felt would be better for me (and there is not), it makes little financial sense to make a change. In CA, we must pay full sales tax on the new car, even if we trade (no netting trade and new car prices); taxes on the original purchase were >$10k. The depreciation hit vs. a new car would be large, even with a deal. Further, the drivetrain and other bits on a '17 are essentially the same as on a '14 (except for ACR aero and suspension).So the $15k voucher is nice, but would need to be more like $40k+ to get me motivated. Ideally, we could hold the Vouchers for Gen VI!!! :)

[F2V]

I would have used it, if there was a Gen 6...getting a serious hankering for doing a V2F, damn I've missed it :-))

[Terminator02]

While I am glad FCA provided the Voucher, it is tough to justify its use in CA or in my case. I have a '14 GTS with all of the Carbon Fiber on the exterior plus TA Sway Bars and just love it. Even if there was a Gen V Viper model that I felt would be better for me (and there is not), it makes little financial sense to make a change. In CA, we must pay full sales tax on the new car, even if we trade (no netting trade and new car prices); taxes on the original purchase were >$10k. The depreciation hit vs. a new car would be large, even with a deal. Further, the drivetrain and other bits on a '17 are essentially the same as on a '14 (except for ACR aero and suspension).So the $15k voucher is nice, but would need to be more like $40k+ to get me motivated. Ideally, we could hold the Vouchers for Gen VI!!! :)

And this is EXACTLY why the car is SO worth it. Yes, FCA messed up pricing but it wasn't because it was too expensive. If the car was popular, had awesome marketing and a huge established following the expensive Tic boxes would have been fine. Porsche, Vette, and every other maker gets away with it but it's because of demand. A car with horrible marketing, a billion different names and a total identity crisis can't just come out and be like "Your 90k Viper is now 150k. Come at me bro."

Are the amazing carbon fiber pieces worth it as a package? Heck yeah. Is the sepia interior? Sure if you like that super high quality leather. The options were outstanding in my opinion. All of this goes to show how important it is to get the EXACT viper YOU want because price then becomes rather irrelevant. Some people hunt so long for a deal instead of enjoying the car and they pass up on great cars that fit what they want. With such limited production and with this rather weird surge and steady interest in the Viper I'd recommend anyone on the fence to look at the options and get the best one you can afford. There are so many cool vipers out there but the great ones don't pop up that often. You definitely have a great car there Stealth. Enjoy it in health!

[theviper]

And this is EXACTLY why the car is SO worth it. Yes, FCA messed up pricing but it wasn't because it was too expensive. If the car was popular, had awesome marketing and a huge established following the expensive Tic boxes would have been fine. Porsche, Vette, and every other maker gets away with it but it's because of demand. A car with horrible marketing, a billion different names and a total identity crisis can't just come out and be like "Your 90k Viper is now 150k. Come at me bro."

Are the amazing carbon fiber pieces worth it as a package? Heck yeah. Is the sepia interior? Sure if you like that super high quality leather. The options were outstanding in my opinion. All of this goes to show how important it is to get the EXACT viper YOU want because price then becomes rather irrelevant. Some people hunt so long for a deal instead of enjoying the car and they pass up on great cars that fit what they want. With such limited production and with this rather weird surge and steady interest in the Viper I'd recommend anyone on the fence to look at the options and get the best one you can afford. There are so many cool vipers out there but the great ones don't pop up that often. You definitely have a great car there Stealth. Enjoy it in health!

Great post!

[cashcorn]

I've got one. I think I'll frame it.

[FSTENUF]

Also curious how many people actually used their vouchers. All I keep hearing about is the people that have them, but never used them.

Used mine at NVE 2 drove home in my ACR E best $15 K I ever spent!!!!

[Nemesis]

Used mine on my ACRE

[Crotalidae]

Used mine to upgrade from a 13 track pack to a 14 Stryker Green GT w/ Full carbon inside & out...if I had not used the voucher I'd be shopping for an ACR-E now...

[ACRucrazy]

I wish I had a voucher... haha.

[ViperJon]

People seem to be forgetting that having a voucher means you grossly overpaid the first time. LOL. Would hate to see the number a dealer throws at you for a 145K 2013 GTS on trade in now....that's got to be painful. Assuming they'd take it in.

[dewilmoth]

What's to stop people who still have a voucher and don't intend to use it from being a straw buyer? I understand it isn't transferable, but it seems to me it wouldn't be that difficult to work something out, and share the savings. I'm not in the market as I already have a great Viper, just thinking out loud.

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

People seem to be forgetting that having a voucher means you grossly overpaid the first time. LOL. Would hate to see the number a dealer throws at you for a 145K 2013 GTS on trade in now....that's got to be painful. Assuming they'd take it in.

Your Exactly Right John, I Just Overpaid For My T/A, And Made It Back On The ACR, Sort Of , LOL !!!

[Voice of Reason]

What's to stop people who still have a voucher and don't intend to use it from being a straw buyer? I understand it isn't transferable, but it seems to me it wouldn't be that difficult to work something out, and share the savings. I'm not in the market as I already have a great Viper, just thinking out loud.

The sales tax implications make doing something like this not worth it. The real buyer would instantly become a second owner and that removes a lot of lemon law protections in most states.

[ViperJon]

The sales tax implications make doing something like this not worth it. The real buyer would instantly become a second owner and that removes a lot of lemon law protections in most states.

We don't pay sales tax here in NY on an out of state purchase till the car is registered which could be never. What's to stop you from selling it before it's registered.

[Bill Pemberton]

In most States you can not sell the car if it has not been registered , unless you are a Dealer ( and no voucher to a Dealer) .

[cashcorn]

I want to trade my voucher for the heads/cam package.

[Shooter]

Ha. I still have mine too. I don't see another new Viper in my future.

[darbgnik]

The sales tax implications make doing something like this not worth it. The real buyer would instantly become a second owner and that removes a lot of lemon law protections in most states.

Where I live, there's no tax on a used vehicle sold privately, no matter how new or valuable. So that would only leave the question as to whether 15K off the price is worth the loss of lemon protection, if a lemon situation were to occur.

[Nine Ball]

I used my voucher to trade my '13 SRT for my '14 TA. I wish I had another voucher. Some of you that are sitting on them could make some quick bucks if you find a close-out priced Viper and buy it with the voucher just to flip it on resale. Could even find an interested used car dealership to fund it, just saying.

[TA Two Oh]

Where I live, there's no tax on a used vehicle sold privately, no matter how new or valuable. So that would only leave the question as to whether 15K off the price is worth the loss of lemon protection, if a lemon situation were to occur.

Not an issue; no such thing as a Lemon Law in Alberta. (Or most of Canada as far as I know)

[ViperJon]

Where I live, there's no tax on a used vehicle sold privately, no matter how new or valuable. So that would only leave the question as to whether 15K off the price is worth the loss of lemon protection, if a lemon situation were to occur.

Oh it's absolutely worth that micro chance.

[venum4u]

I want to trade my voucher for the heads/cam package.



This

[Nemesis]

Buy it in an LLC. Have two members, the straw and the real, then the legal owner is the LLC, and its a single owner car.


The sales tax implications make doing something like this not worth it. The real buyer would instantly become a second owner and that removes a lot of lemon law protections in most states.

[dewilmoth]

Buy it in an LLC. Have two members, the straw and the real, then the legal owner is the LLC, and its a single owner car.

+1. And when you sell the car, you can sell the LLC, which the new owner won't pay sales tax on.

[Bruce]

Keep the straw purchase ideas coming guys. I'm listening....

[Voice of Reason]

But could the LLC buy the car and use the voucher? The purchase order name and voucher name have to match or else the voucher is invalid.

[steve911]

The name of the LLC could be the persons name who holds the voucher. The address of the LLC can be the address of the voucher holder. But, having said that and NOT ever seeing a voucher, is there a disclaimer about a commercial type purchase?

[Nemesis]

The signer who holds the voucher has the right to title and register the car as they see fit. Its one way to keep cars as 'single owner' from a title standpoint.. Just LLC transfers.

[Shooter]

The name of the LLC could be the persons name who holds the voucher. The address of the LLC can be the address of the voucher holder. But, having said that and NOT ever seeing a voucher, is there a disclaimer about a commercial type purchase?

Looks doable. It specifically says "eligible participant or business" on the back of mine.

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[Nemesis]

If Harry Dick has a voucher, and Harry Dick decides to purchase a viper with his Voucher, Harry Dick buys the car, and while in the Finance office, Harry says, Mr Bush, I want this titles in my LLC. That's its. Mr Bush doesn't know that here is another member to the LLC nor does he care.

[ViperJon]

Absolutely doable.

[ViperTony]

If Harry Dick has a voucher, and Harry Dick decides to purchase a viper with his Voucher, Harry Dick buys the car, and while in the Finance office, Harry says, Mr Bush, I want this titles in my LLC. That's its. Mr Bush doesn't know that here is another member to the LLC nor does he care.

Correct.

[cashcorn]

what next..

[sharmut]

If Harry Dick has a voucher, and Harry Dick decides to purchase a viper with his Voucher, Harry Dick buys the car, and while in the Finance office, Harry says, Mr Bush, I want this titles in my LLC. That's its. Mr Bush doesn't know that here is another member to the LLC nor does he care.

According to the voucher, the address needs to match.

[Nemesis]

Probably to your license, but again they don't care whether your registering it to you house, or the moon. When I used mine they didn't match.


According to the voucher, the address needs to match.

[Mark1107]

I profited from the voucher.... my buddy bought and sold a 13 GTS and got the Voucher. He used the voucher to buy a 16 ACR for 140k he bought for 120k. He put 593 miles on it and sold it to me for 120! I love the voucher!!!!

[ViperTony]

he put 593 miles on it and sold it to me for 120! I love the voucher!!!!

lol.

[SD268]

i wish i had a voucher... Haha.

same.

[Bill Pemberton]

Not doable. Name on the Voucher must match the name and the exact address. Way around that is tough and no Dealer is going to risk eating 15K, as there are other parameters that need to be met. No one will take a chance and mouse this, as it will be a fine, likely an audit , and the loss of 15K -- not worth the trouble for a sale with huge risks.

[mblgjr]

I really just wish I had a 15k check in hand.

I kinda looked at an ACR obviously and thought of doing a GTC built nearly identical to my GTS with a color change. But in the end I still would be spending a LOT of money just to swap into a newer car & I like what I have already.

I suppose mine will go to waste.

[Nemesis]

Pemberton, if I walk in with my voucher and my license and buy a viper from you and tell you to title it and register it in my LLC your not going to do that?


Not doable. Name on the Voucher must match the name and the exact address. Way around that is tough and no Dealer is going to risk eating 15K, as there are other parameters that need to be met. No one will take a chance and mouse this, as it will be a fine, likely an audit , and the loss of 15K -- not worth the trouble for a sale with huge risks.

[lawdogg149]

Still got mine. Waiting around on the prices to drop below invoice. Then will buy through my Montana LLC. Its me signing the note buying the car.

[Bill Pemberton]

Nemesis ---- huge risks and it is finite on what they will accept. So frankly unless everything can be verified to a T, who would risk 15K loss on a sale . Quite a few Dealers have already had it happen, and I have had to jump through numerous hoops on folks that just moved during the timeframe. Divorces are also an issue , which entails an address change, and one has to have utility bills and other items to prove older addresses. Been through the mess numerous times and it is problematic if you don't have all your ducks in order and LLCs can be questionable when done in Montana -- no bills to show in an audit. There is a lot more to it , but suffice it to say , not many of you will risk losing 15K and FCA is monitoring this with a vengeance. No use to go into this any further as we have done 20+ coupons already , but I have to do my due diligence and I sure am not going to risk the Company on something they ( FCA ) can call into question.

[ViperJon]

Still got mine. Waiting around on the prices to drop below invoice. Then will buy through my Montana LLC. Its me signing the note buying the car.

Nothing says baller like riding around with Montana plates on a sports car.

[Nemesis]

😂. ......


Nothing says baller like riding around with Montana plates on a sports car.

[darbgnik]

Nothing says baller like riding around with Montana plates on a sports car.

Hahahahaha

[Nemesis]

Or rocking dealer plates in perpetuity.

Nothing says baller like riding around with Montana plates on a sports car.

[flyboy1of1]

Hello All, Curious, anyone happen to know the number of vouchers issued by F.C.A.????Thanks Bob