Sending my 2013 to Calvo Motorsports for some goodies

[Arizona Vipers]

I've posted the problems I've had with my '13 since it got the new '15 motor several times here (car shutting off, erratic idle with Arrow computers (tried two different ones) installed etc)
I'm having Calvo convert to Motec programmed by https://www.facebook.com/ninjaneeringco/
Hopefully this will solve all my problems I've had for the last year. The Motec will also allow no lift shifts with the PPG Sequential tranny they are also going to install.
(See attached pic of tranny he's already building for me)
If you haven't seen their sequential in action yet, check it out here- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_PqnQ2Mhj4&t=3s
They are also doing heads/cam and dry sump oiling setup. I hope to have the car back by my next track event mid January.

[ViperGeorge]

That will be sick!

[fuggles]

Holy sh!t man. That's gonna be one awesome beast!

[Jdmuscle]

Antonio does good work over there.. you are in good hands.

Good to see a Heads/Cam build ..

[ViperGarageElite]

Tranny sounds awesome, hows the reliability and whats it $$$

[NoMorZR1]

Custom Calvo H&C or Arrow ?

[Bruce H.]

Now that's impressive!

[Arizona Vipers]

Custom Calvo H&C or Arrow ?

Calvo's. Their last setup was over 700rwhp, we are going to tone down the RPM's a bit for road racing reliability.

[Arizona Vipers]

Check out these gear ratios. It's got a 1:1 6th!

1st 2.407
2nd 1.872
3rd 1.522
4th 1.294
5th 1.132
6th 1.0

[One Viper Bite]

A shame you have to spend your own money to get a car you bought from factory to run properly but awesome none-the-less.

I wish the PPG shifter had a more stock looking shifter though. A lower profile...

[swexlin]

You've had too many issues with that car (which is my car's twin). Hopefully this will solve them, good luck!

[7TH_SIGN]

Car will be better than ever once Calvo is done with it!

[v10tt]

Calvo is a great guy to work with, mine is over there now doing his H/C set up:dude3:
HP tuned . Will post when it gets dyno tuned in the next few days.

[v10tt]

This is from the last set up they did like yours, dry sump/motec + PPG.

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[Murpowa]

Beast

[NoMorZR1]

Can Calvo's H&C make 700rwhp without Motec ?

[v10tt]

Should sound like this:

https://www.facebook.com/10053637/videos/10106903896433101/

[Jdmuscle]

Can Calvo's H&C make 700rwhp without Motec ?

That would be an interesting thing to see..

[Pappy]

Aero next?

Pappy

[Dr.Ron]

So no lift shifts, but I assume you still need to use the clutch, or no?

[Arizona Vipers]

Aero next?

Pappy

No, not really. It's got the 2.0 splitter on the front, I'd like somebody to make me a 1.0 style rear spoiler, but extended maybe another 2" all the way across.

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So no lift shifts, but I assume you still need to use the clutch, or no?

No clutch. Only 1st gear and reverse.

[The_Ruski_Driver]

A shame you have to spend your own money to get a car you bought from factory to run properly but awesome none-the-less.

I wish the PPG shifter had a more stock looking shifter though. A lower profile...

They do that on purpose to limit hand travel distance in between shifts and putting your hand back on the wheel. Makes sense when you're making big power but I see what you're saying.

[One Viper Bite]

They do that on purpose to limit hand travel distance in between shifts and putting your hand back on the wheel. Makes sense when you're making big power but I see what you're saying.

Yeah I know the practical reasoning behind it. Odds are if you have a PPG in your Viper you're probably pushing big power and drag racing. But I'm a fan of modifying cars to look stock.

Would be even cooler if someone could make a paddle shift sequential for the Gen V!

[Dr.Ron]

No, not really. It's got the 2.0 splitter on the front, I'd like somebody to make me a 1.0 style rear spoiler, but extended maybe another 2" all the way across.

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No clutch. Only 1st gear and reverse.

That's cheating! LOL

[38D]

This is exactly the type of build I hope to do one day for my ACRE. Too awesome!

[ACR]

Whose cam?

No love for Todd at A&C?

[Speedy G]

there are 2 types of ppl......cheaters and losers!! :dude3:

[Arizona Vipers]

That's cheating! LOL

:devilish: I'm tired of killing GT3's and GTR's all over the track, then they walk away from me on the straights with less power just due to their paddle shifters. Losing 1 to 1.5 seconds on a straight due to shifting 2-3 times vs a paddle shifted 40 millisecond shift and watching cars with 200 less horse power pull away from sucks.
It also sucks to have to spend a small fortune just to get my Viper to shift as fast as any Porsche, Nissan GTR, etc, but will be worth it!

[Antonio@CalvoMotorsports]

So no lift shifts, but I assume you still need to use the clutch, or no?

Just for first and reverse.

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Yeah I know the practical reasoning behind it. Odds are if you have a PPG in your Viper you're probably pushing big power and drag racing. But I'm a fan of modifying cars to look stock.

Would be even cooler if someone could make a paddle shift sequential for the Gen V!

already in the works on another car!

[Antonio@CalvoMotorsports]

Tranny sounds awesome, hows the reliability and whats it $$$

18k installed, I have yet to break one on the orange car and it makes 2000 foot pounds of tq to the tire.

[Jack B]

Are you going to install 3.07's.




Check out these gear ratios. It's got a 1:1 6th!

1st 2.407
2nd 1.872
3rd 1.522
4th 1.294
5th 1.132
6th 1.0

[Arizona Vipers]

Are you going to install 3.07's.

No, but that's a great point you bring up. We are raising redline in 6th gear only (that's the beauty of Motec) to 7000rpm.
So in the rare situations where I'm on a track where I would need to go 155, I'd be able to.
1:1 top speed with 3.55's at 6400 RPM's= 142mph. At 7000 RPM= 155mph.

[Jack B]

Just an opinion, you are better off with 3.07's and dropping the rpm. Better engine life and you can use it on the street. As it is, it is a stretch to use on the street, especially for any highway driving.



No, but that's a great point you bring up. We are raising redline in 6th gear only (that's the beauty of Motec) to 7000rpm.
So in the rare situations where I'm on a track where I would need to go 155, I'd be able to.
1:1 top speed with 3.55's at 6400 RPM's= 142mph. At 7000 RPM= 155mph.

[Arizona Vipers]

Just an opinion, you are better off with 3.07's and dropping the rpm. Better engine life and you can use it on the street. As it is, it is a stretch to use on the street, especially for any highway driving.

Agreed for a street car, but mine is a dedicated track car. Once I get the car back and start tracking it, I can make a decision if I want to change the rear gears or not. As it stands now if I had to drive on the freeway I'd be at 3200 RPM's at 71mph. Not ideal, but not the end of the world if I have to run the car down to the shop here and there.

[The_Ruski_Driver]

No, but that's a great point you bring up. We are raising redline in 6th gear only (that's the beauty of Motec) to 7000rpm.
So in the rare situations where I'm on a track where I would need to go 155, I'd be able to.
1:1 top speed with 3.55's at 6400 RPM's= 142mph. At 7000 RPM= 155mph.

Wow you really are a track guy. If someone told me my Viper gearing would only allow 155 MPH I would not even buy it. 155 is a normal day taking it out for a spin.

[dethred]

:devilish: I'm tired of killing GT3's and GTR's all over the track, then they walk away from me on the straights with less power just due to their paddle shifters. Losing 1 to 1.5 seconds on a straight due to shifting 2-3 times vs a paddle shifted 40 millisecond shift and watching cars with 200 less horse power pull away from sucks.
It also sucks to have to spend a small fortune just to get my Viper to shift as fast as any Porsche, Nissan GTR, etc, but will be worth it!

To be fair, if it's a hot day and your IAT's are up there, the difference in horsepower is probably negligible as well...

[One Viper Bite]

Is this the build Atonio discovered the deep scoring on the bearings? Posted on FB pictures of a 2013 build with 4K on the motor....

[Arizona Vipers]

Wow you really are a track guy. If someone told me my Viper gearing would only allow 155 MPH I would not even buy it. 155 is a normal day taking it out for a spin.

You Russian's are indeed crazy the, rumors are true! LOL.
I don't speed on the street, EVER. I've got too much to lose. There are only a handful of tracks in America where you would reach 155, none of which I frequent.
I hit 180 in my Ford GT in half mile events though, that's enough for me.

[Arizona Vipers]

Is this the build Atonio discovered the deep scoring on the bearings? Posted on FB pictures of a 2013 build with 4K on the motor....

No, that's not my car. Mine has 12K with a 2015 motor with 2K on it.

[The_Ruski_Driver]

You Russian's are indeed crazy the, rumors are true! LOL.
I don't speed on the street, EVER. I've got too much to lose. There are only a handful of tracks in America where you would reach 155, none of which I frequent.
I hit 180 in my Ford GT in half mile events though, that's enough for me.

Yep Russians are absolutely out of their minds I hear it all the time. I wouldn't have it any other way though brotha :)
Keep us posted on the build! Sounds like it's going to be a fun car!

[Arizona Vipers]

here's another pic from Calvo!



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[Arizona Vipers]

Man you even get a free car wash if you send your car to Calvo! LOL.
http://www.pictaram.com/media/1402685798608264476_1014846673

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[Arizona Vipers]

Just saw this, looks like dry sump is in!
https://www.facebook.com/calvomotorsports/posts/1256196927794750

I also decided to go with the carbon ACR brakes on this car, Calvo will have all the parts early next week!

[Terminator02]

You Russian's are indeed crazy the, rumors are true! LOL.
I don't speed on the street, EVER. I've got too much to lose. There are only a handful of tracks in America where you would reach 155, none of which I frequent.
I hit 180 in my Ford GT in half mile events though, that's enough for me.

Is your Ford GT modified then? Stock Ford GT I thought were about mid 140s in the 1/2 mile and lucky to get 175 in the mile? I could be mistaken but I did a quick internet search because I thought my friend said his Ford GT ran the numbers I just posted.

[Nick TA]

Any plans to track it at Chuckwalla? I wanna see/hear this thing in action!

[Arizona Vipers]

Is your Ford GT modified then? Stock Ford GT I thought were about mid 140s in the 1/2 mile and lucky to get 175 in the mile? I could be mistaken but I did a quick internet search because I thought my friend said his Ford GT ran the numbers I just posted.

It's bone stock except I swapped the factory supercharger with a 4.0 Whipple, headers, no cats. 810rwhp.

[Arizona Vipers]

Any plans to track it at Chuckwalla? I wanna see/hear this thing in action!

I should be at Chuckwalla Feb 18-19th with Nasa, and March 18th-19th with Pro Auto. Probably another time at some point during the year as well.

[SADVIPER]

Kickass project, all the best.
Those GTRs and GT3s shall have no chance whatsoever!

[Terminator02]

It's bone stock except I swapped the factory supercharger with a 4.0 Whipple, headers, no cats. 810rwhp.

That's awesome. Great build. My friend has 3 ford GT cars. One stock and others modified. It's one car I'd take over the Viper any day.

[Arizona Vipers]

Antonio just sent over a few more pics

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[Arizona Vipers]

A couple more....



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[Fourtrax250r]

WOW... cant wait to see this done and hear about the performance !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Junkie]

The dry sump stuff looks so good! Billet all the things

[RedTanRT/10]

AZ

Just saw this tread, What an awesome G5!!!

I'm debating either CW or Fontana that weekend. I'd love to see your viper run and I'll reach out if I get that way.

Interesting gears in your car. My Emco has a; 2.76 1.84 1.33 1.00 0.85 0.78 (using 3:07's). Best wishes and keep us posted!! Mike

[Dman]

Car porn at its finest. Looking forward to the final results.

[Arizona Vipers]

AZ

Just saw this tread, What an awesome G5!!!

I'm debating either CW or Fontana that weekend. I'd love to see your viper run and I'll reach out if I get that way.

Interesting gears in your car. My Emco has a; 2.76 1.84 1.33 1.00 0.85 0.78 (using 3:07's). Best wishes and keep us posted!! Mike

Will do!

[dewilmoth]

When tuners change the fuel cut rpm on these cars, are they capable of making a comesurate change to the RPM display on the dash since it's all digital? For example, on my car 6250 appears to be the redline, on a 6700rpm car will they change the redline to 6700rpm? I know it's a bit neurotic, but it bugs me when that kind of stuff isn't correct.

[swexlin]

Good lookin' stuff! Hope it all comes together soon.

[Arizona Vipers]

When tuners change the fuel cut rpm on these cars, are they capable of making a comesurate change to the RPM display on the dash since it's all digital? For example, on my car 6250 appears to be the redline, on a 6700rpm car will they change the redline to 6700rpm? I know it's a bit neurotic, but it bugs me when that kind of stuff isn't correct.

That's a question for Antonio and the Ninjaneer!

[The_Ruski_Driver]

When tuners change the fuel cut rpm on these cars, are they capable of making a comesurate change to the RPM display on the dash since it's all digital? For example, on my car 6250 appears to be the redline, on a 6700rpm car will they change the redline to 6700rpm? I know it's a bit neurotic, but it bugs me when that kind of stuff isn't correct.

Interesting question!

[FLATOUT]

When tuners change the fuel cut rpm on these cars, are they capable of making a comesurate change to the RPM display on the dash since it's all digital? For example, on my car 6250 appears to be the redline, on a 6700rpm car will they change the redline to 6700rpm? I know it's a bit neurotic, but it bugs me when that kind of stuff isn't correct.

I was spinning mine to 7,000 for a time and no, we didn't actually change the color orientation on the gauge. I just knew that I wouldn't hit the fuel cut until 7,000. That being said it wasn't something that bothered me so we didn't address trying to change it either. Might be something Antonio and ninjaneer can change though via their standalone.

Andy

[ClayR]

Oh man that was yours he was posting on FB! Damn that thing looks like a thing of beauty!

[Antonio@CalvoMotorsports]

Are you going to install 3.07's.

We have been putting 3.23 in a lot of the lately.

[Arizona Vipers]

Some updated pics from Calvo, looks like they got the carbon ACR brakes installed Should be another 30 lbs shaved. Getting very close to my 2999 lbs goal!

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[SRT BILL]

Arizona, very exciting stuff your doing to this car. I've been following from the beginning, please continue to keep us posted. I also agree with the logic of modding the 2013 and keeping ACR stock for now. Good luck with all the final details.

[Back In Black]

Can the no-lift upshit and downshift be made to work with the stock PCM?

[Arizona Vipers]

The heads came in!
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[SRT BILL]

Wow, they look good! Did Head Games do them?

[swexlin]

They're sculpture unto themselves. Wow!

[Jdmuscle]

Bad ass... I'm happy more NA builds are coming up.

[Nick TA]

Can the no-lift upshit and downshift be made to work with the stock PCM?

Yeah I'm curious about this too, Calvo?

[7TH_SIGN]

The Calvo sticker on the side sills alone adds 500hp to the wheels. Very nice! Looking forward to the finished product!

[Jdmuscle]

The Calvo sticker on the side sills alone adds 500hp to the wheels. Very nice! Looking forward to the finished product!

You need a gen V again and you know it. As much as I like Supras... I drove my friends stock 97 with just an exhaust and intake etc and boy was it boring AF. :) Supra's need to be modded to be interesting this day and age but at the same time... stock ones hold value much better.

[Back In Black]

Yeah I'm curious about this too, Calvo?

From the information I've gotten from Pfitzner and others, the answer is no.

[NoMorZR1]

Arrow Stage II heads ?

[7TH_SIGN]

You need a gen V again and you know it. As much as I like Supras... I drove my friends stock 97 with just an exhaust and intake etc and boy was it boring AF. :) Supra's need to be modded to be interesting this day and age but at the same time... stock ones hold value much better.

Yeah I do miss the GEN V at times but I can't live without a Supra in my garage lol. I do plan on building this one even though its considered to be rare being that its a turbo factory hardtop with 29k miles on it and all matching vins. Also a one owner cars but as you said, Supras need to be modded, well for me EVERY car needs to be modded. Life's too short to stay stock. Still wish I could get a ride in a turbo Viper. C'mon boost yours already!!

[nx91notch]

What mufflers are those?

[aNinjaneer]

When tuners change the fuel cut rpm on these cars, are they capable of making a comesurate change to the RPM display on the dash since it's all digital? For example, on my car 6250 appears to be the redline, on a 6700rpm car will they change the redline to 6700rpm? I know it's a bit neurotic, but it bugs me when that kind of stuff isn't correct.

No. Unfortunately, the RPM at which the gauge turns red is built into the dash. I would have to dig into the compiled code in the dash and change it to fix that, so not really worth it.


Can the no-lift upshit and downshift be made to work with the stock PCM?

For the sequential, there are boxes that can piggyback ECUs without the ability to properly control the shifting, but it's not recommended, and nobody knows if it would throw any lights on the dash. I personally wouldn't spend $18k on a transmission with a $500 piggyback box controlling. The MoTeC offers so many additional features that it pays for itself. Traction control, knock control, closed-loop fuel control, launch control, and no limit to the tuning potential.

[Space Truckin]

Arrow Stage II heads ?

^^^Head Games^^^IIRC...:confused:

[Arizona Vipers]

What mufflers are those?


Viper Exchange Titanium. They are louder than hell with no cats.

[nx91notch]

Viper Exchange Titanium. They are louder than hell with no cats.

Thanks!

I have ARH headers with high flow cats bolted to stock mufflers at the moment. Been thinking about the VE setup.

[Arizona Vipers]

Found this on Facebook. It's almost done!

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[dewilmoth]

That oil setup is artwork.

[38D]

Does the Daily dry sump reduce ground clearance?

[Arizona Vipers]

Car is just about done! Dyno'd at 705rwhp on pump gas.
Here's a video running through all 6 gears in 6 seconds lol- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XxedZWa5lA

[PRVT JET]

Wow!!!!!!

[pdv25]

Car is just about done! Dyno'd at 705rwhp on pump gas.
Here's a video running through all 6 gears in 6 seconds lol- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XxedZWa5lA


That looks pretty sick!!! Congrats!!!

[swexlin]

Holy sheet - car looks like it's going to tear apart! That thing will be a monster on the road.

[jpgunn123]

Very Nice!

[Pappy]

Awesome! Now, get it home and let's see it on the track.

Pappy

[Bleed viper]

That is insane, thanks for sharing. Can't wait to see some real world driving pulls, ought to be sweet.

[Antonio@CalvoMotorsports]

Can the no-lift upshit and downshift be made to work with the stock PCM?

Nope need a motec.

[Antonio@CalvoMotorsports]

Does the Daily dry sump reduce ground clearance?

Its a 1/3 of the thickness of a factory pan. the pump is still higher up than the factory pan too.

[Back In Black]

Nope need a motec.

Not even with a stand alone box like Pro-Shift or Geartronics? They claim closed loop with DBW compatibility on any ECU.

[Scott_in_fl]

Oh my!!! That sequential shift is bananas!

[ZeeViper]

Thing looks so nasty. super jealous haha, great build!!

awesome job Calvo!!

[Antonio@CalvoMotorsports]

Not even with a stand alone box like Pro-Shift or Geartronics? They claim closed loop with DBW compatibility on any ECU.

We haven't tried, but I doubt it would work remotely close to the way the motec controls it. If you are going to spend 18k on a trans I am a firm believer do it once, do it right.

[Bruce H.]

Wow...love it!

[NoMorZR1]

Any flow#'s on those heads versus stock or StageII ?

[Back In Black]

We haven't tried, but I doubt it would work remotely close to the way the motec controls it. If you are going to spend 18k on a trans I am a firm believer do it once, do it right.

Understood but there are a few of us dinosaurs out there that prefer to stick with the factory electronics.

[aNinjaneer]

Understood but there are a few of us dinosaurs out there that prefer to stick with the factory electronics.

It may technically be feasible, but I can't imagine the driving experience would be pleasant by any means. The MoTeC has an incredibly sophisticated shift sequence with numerous different stages, using closed-loop control with both the force and positions sensors. A piggyback unit may be able to get it to shift, but we don't know how the engine would behave, especially given the stock torque management, which is still not well-understood. As for downshifting, it's pretty simple to blip the pedal yourself, it's just less convenient, especially when racing, with your foot on the brake.

[GTSilver]

Some updated pics from Calvo, looks like they got the carbon ACR brakes installed Should be another 30 lbs shaved. Getting very close to my 2999 lbs goal!

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Did you ever get the chance to weigh your car ? And also how loud is the VE ti exhaust as I'm considering changing my corsa to it if it saves a lot of weight.

Thanks
Yousif

[Arizona Vipers]

Did you ever get the chance to weigh your car ? And also how loud is the VE ti exhaust as I'm considering changing my corsa to it if it saves a lot of weight.

Thanks
Yousif

It's 3010 lbs. The dry sump setup added some weight obviously. I'll be around 2980 when I get my race seat installed. I'm probably doing a cage too, so that's going to add another 120-130 back in.
The VE titanium exhaust is very loud and doesn't save much weight, it's just the straight muffler section, not from the headers back like the Agency Power setup.

[Snakebit10]

Absolutely impressive. Can't wait to see the numbers on your beast.

I can't help but wonder the carnage an ACR with this setup and 2980lb weight would cause on track.

[Arizona Vipers]

Absolutely impressive. Can't wait to see the numbers on your beast.

I can't help but wonder the carnage an ACR with this setup and 2980lb weight would cause on track.

I'll be adding the factory ACR aero parts asap, I've slowly been accumulating them piece by piece. I just installed the rear ACR diffuser. I'll be running Doug Shelby's extreme extreme extended strakes and extreme extreme front splitter extension as well. Shocks are MCS double adjustable from Woodhouse.