When was block washing station put in place

[Dman]

I'd swear this is buried in a thread here somewhere, sorry to ask, but dang if I can find it.

Wondering on the month/year it was put into place.

Thanks.

[texasram]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was yesterday

[Steve-Indy]

While I do not know, you might start here:

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/threads/15194-Lets-talk-ROOT-CAUSE

[01sapphirebob]

I know it was there in January of this year when we toured CAAP. I think it was installed maybe a month before that. Our tour guide led the team of guys that installed it.

[ViperJon]

Good.....mine was built in January.

[ViperGeorge]

Good.....mine was built in January.

But when was your engine assembled? Hard to know.

[Granger73]

The engine serial number should contain build date info.

[mjorgensen]

From what I have been told the station has been there for years just never really used on every engine. Not sure if they are all being done now or not.

[Mopar'er no car]

From what I have been told the station has been there for years just never really used on every engine. Not sure if they are all being done now or not.

The station was not there in October. If it was, it was in no plain view or even close to where the engines are assembled. In January it was there, we were told it was new.. We were also told each block would be sent through this washing station..

[texasram]

From what I have been told the station has been there for years just never really used on every engine. Not sure if they are all being done now or not.

So im guessing the early r29 only cars are the ones that did get cleaned

[Dman]

This is helpful. Personally I'm ruling out cars built prior to the washing station. I've heard it's been there but was not cost effective prior, I guess it became cost effective with warranty replacements.

So engine builds post 1/16 at the earliest for me, thanks. This may explain why some aftermarket guys have commented on '16 engines they've seen being hit or miss with bearing condition, earlier cars were dirtier than ones after the station in place, would be a pretty logical guess, and engine assembly being key, not car build date.

So, I have a plan, I just ruled out a few cars and one I was getting ready to make an offer on.

Thanks!!

Man I almost went to McLaren but after driving one I just didn't feel it with the padddles etc. I gotta get me another viper.

[dmann]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was yesterday

^
lol

[Dman]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was yesterday

This would be funnier if it weren't so believable. lol.

[Dman]

The engine serial number should contain build date info.

I'd look but already sold my '13, where is the engine SN located ? Thx.

[dadeuce]

This is helpful. Personally I'm ruling out cars built prior to the washing station. I've heard it's been there but was not cost effective prior, I guess it became cost effective with warranty replacements.

So engine builds post 1/16 at the earliest for me, thanks. This may explain why some aftermarket guys have commented on '16 engines they've seen being hit or miss with bearing condition, earlier cars were dirtier than ones after the station in place, would be a pretty logical guess, and engine assembly being key, not car build date.

So, I have a plan, I just ruled out a few cars and one I was getting ready to make an offer on.

Thanks!!

Man I almost went to McLaren but after driving one I just didn't feel it with the padddles etc. I gotta get me another viper.

What about that post the other day from Calvo? They had an ACR that seemed like it came straight from the factory. Those bearings looked kinda rough in the picture. Not trying to knock your logic, but ruling out engines before 1/16 might not mean you are getting an all around rock solid one. I think it's a crap shoot and you can't over think it. C'mon Dman ... if it blows, that's a great excuse to go TT. You know you want to :)

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/16064-Twin-turbo-car-number-11-is-also-the-first-Twin-Turbo-ACR-and-man-is-she-pretty?highlight=calvo

[Dman]

What about that post the other day from Calvo? They had an ACR that seemed like it came straight from the factory. Those bearings looked kinda rough in the picture. Not trying to knock your logic, but ruling out engines before 1/16 might not mean you are getting an all around rock solid one. I think it's a crap shoot and you can't over think it. C'mon Dman ... if it blows, that's a great excuse to go TT. You know you want to :)

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/16064-Twin-turbo-car-number-11-is-also-the-first-Twin-Turbo-ACR-and-man-is-she-pretty?highlight=calvo

Yea, that's a '16, I think, I assumed, and he's said it's been hit or miss. I'm thinking it's because of the use of the washing station engaged mid production year so late '16s would be 'gooder' than earlier ones prior to the wash process, and engine build dates being the key, not car build dates, I mean a '17 could even possibly have a pre-wash station engine if they assemble in advance, I dunno. I'm piecing together several discussions ive been having with several folks who hang with Winkles and company. There's no straight story on it, at this point I'm not sure even FCA really knows, lol, but being this will be my last real Viper, I'm going to use as much logic and passion as possible. Best advice I've rec'd from multiple people who are way more in the know than me, is that is should be much safer with a post washing station engine, so that's my target, not perfect, and that's fine, grain of salt taken.

I do plan on modding. My plan is to buy, drive it's ass off for 6-12 months, then ... H/C most likely. My dream is a TT from Antonio, but being all-in, with the car, TT, and possible bottom end at $200k, I can't wrap my head around dumping that much into one thing, I want to hang onto my other toys too. Plus my racing habit is pricey and I won't dig into that budget either. 1st world problems, lol.

[dethred]

Best advice I've rec'd from multiple people who are way more in the know than me, is that is should be much safer with a post washing station engine, so that's my target, not perfect, and that's fine, grain of salt taken.

Don't you mean "grain of casting sand"? Ha!

Dodge installs new block washing station, but still blames Arrow PCM for engine failures. Funny enough, Dave, a McLaren is the top of my shortlist when I sell my GTS in the next few months. Yes, paddles are nowhere near as fun, especially against the Viper's gearbox, but unless you've seen one run away from you in the half mile (and I do mean run!), you can't fully appreciate it.

[texasram]

Don't you mean "grain of casting sand"? Ha!

Dodge installs new block washing station, but still blames Arrow PCM for engine failures. Funny enough, Dave, a McLaren is the top of my shortlist when I sell my GTS in the next few months. Yes, paddles are nowhere near as fun, especially against the Viper's gearbox, but unless you've seen one run away from you in the half mile (and I do mean run!), you can't fully appreciate it.
Deth how could you let go of such a beautifully spec'd gts as yours, its gorgeous

[dethred]

Deth how could you let go of such a beautifully spec'd gts as yours, its gorgeous

Honestly? The dealership network for Dodge is horrendous. If I lived near Woodhouse or Tomball, I'd never get rid of the car but I'm stuck with "Joe Dirt's Southern Pride Dodge" or equivalent. I have a Porsche 911 too, and when I take that car in for service I am treated the same as a 918 owner. I don't want to be treated like anything special, but I want to be treated like I am the customer and they are there to earn my business. That is a rare dynamic for any dealership to achieve, and Porsche does it very well.

When I take my more expensive 154k Viper (not what I paid, admittedly) into a Dodge dealership for service, they treat me like I brought in a dart... washing the car with a dirty mop and all (I kid you not). Not only that, but they charge more per hour than Porsche to work on these cars. They're almost all a bunch of uneducated con artists, and I don't want a dollar more of my money going to FCA or anyone associated with them. I had to find a third dealership now, because the 2nd one was so irresponsible that they cancelled my first appointment mere hours before, and kept saying they'd call to reschedule. It took over a month for SRT to get a confirmation from dealership #2 that my car passed R28-29, and the service manager said he'd email me the letter he got 3 times and never did. They're just failures in general. I am 100% cordial to them through it all, and they take advantage, as is their nature.

/rant over, back on topic, sorry Dave.

[Terminator02]

My dealer experiences are chill. They love my cars and I give them respect back. They throw in some nice discounts too. It's not lambo service but having lambo performance and exclusivity at dodge pricing...well comes at a price. I think we are seeing less bearing issues, more positive threads and some awesome modded cars having great results so focusing on precipitating factors from negative events seems futile to me.

Honestly there's very little reason to be on the fence for a viper right now given all the options. Want a stock car and a billion year stock warranty? You are covered. Want to get a viper to mod and have great heads and cam and turbo packages? You are covered. Want to build an absolute monster for under 200k. You are covered. Not much more you can ask for IMO. Just buy the car you like and then actively pursue the forum that supports your car.

[FLATOUT]

You should buy my car and be done with it. The best part about installing all of these H/C Packages is getting to see inside of so many brand new motors. Some are much better than others. I still find the 2015's to be some of the cleanest from machining to casting. I got lucky my motor has been one of the best ones that we've opened up #luckofthedraw.

Andy



Yea, that's a '16, I think, I assumed, and he's said it's been hit or miss. I'm thinking it's because of the use of the washing station engaged mid production year so late '16s would be 'gooder' than earlier ones prior to the wash process, and engine build dates being the key, not car build dates, I mean a '17 could even possibly have a pre-wash station engine if they assemble in advance, I dunno. I'm piecing together several discussions ive been having with several folks who hang with Winkles and company. There's no straight story on it, at this point I'm not sure even FCA really knows, lol, but being this will be my last real Viper, I'm going to use as much logic and passion as possible. Best advice I've rec'd from multiple people who are way more in the know than me, is that is should be much safer with a post washing station engine, so that's my target, not perfect, and that's fine, grain of salt taken.

I do plan on modding. My plan is to buy, drive it's ass off for 6-12 months, then ... H/C most likely. My dream is a TT from Antonio, but being all-in, with the car, TT, and possible bottom end at $200k, I can't wrap my head around dumping that much into one thing, I want to hang onto my other toys too. Plus my racing habit is pricey and I won't dig into that budget either. 1st world problems, lol.