What are some basic mods that wont void warranty

[texasram]

I have decided not to go all out in terms of modifications on mine untill warranty has expired, and that wont be long because i only have r29 on my car, and was thinking how wonderful a full bellanger system would be and or knn cai untill then. But basically is there anything you guys would do and not have to worry about warranty validation issues?

[BJG32]

Nobody really knows. I changed to higflows to keep my white paint from browning. FCA denied paint warranty for same. By correcting the problem I voided my warranty.

Your best bet is to write FCA and get their answer in writing.

[BJG32]

Start here... ViperGeorge has his email.


Taylor
Customer Service Representative
SRT Premium Care
1-855-778-8326

[texasram]

Start here... ViperGeorge has his email.


Taylor
Customer Service Representative
SRT Premium Care
1-855-778-8326
Good ideah will do

[swexlin]

Unfortunately, I believe FCA will use any excuse, and since headers change the parameters of the engine (in their eyes) you're playing with fire. I don't agree with it, but IMO, you're taking a chance.

[ViperPete]

I think those boomerang splash guards I got from Woodhouse are probably an OK modification.

[steve911]

I dunno maybe wax your Car?:)

[Dman]

Full Belanger? Dude, no question, warranty voided. They're tearing motors apart at the dealer to look for reasons to cover failed motors, this per our big dealers, it doesn't take much tearing down to see headers, done. HP change, A/F change, simply a 'change' equals voided warranty.

The only prudent course, knowing what we know at this point, is zero mods of any performance items, engine, drivetrain, suspension, computer. There are guys waiting weeks for coverage approval with bone stock cars, that's your barometer right now.

Try writing, but I'm certain you'll get some quote from the warranty manual that provides zero clarity and suggests that changing the windshield washer fluid could void your warranty, lol. I'd stay bone stock in till you're totally willing to foot the cost of any and all failures, then go for it and enjoy.

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I think those boomerang splash guards I got from Woodhouse are probably an OK modification.

Aero dynamics modification, alters the air resistance on the car and drivetrain, denied and voided. Hehe.

[BlknBlu]

Valve stem caps.

Bruce

[ViperPete]

Tint is probably going to be OK.

Maybe some custom floor mats?

"Pine-fresh" rear view mirror smelly stuff for the interior? Probably alright.

I keep a few Viper hats on the rear deck. Easy to grab and look good from the outside.... probably alright too.

[BJG32]

Tint is probably going to be OK.

Maybe some custom floor mats?

"Pine-fresh" rear view mirror smelly stuff for the interior? Probably alright.

I keep a few Viper hats on the rear deck. Easy to grab and look good from the outside.... probably alright too.

No tint if rear glass is exploding and window regulators are failing

[ViperGeorge]

Start here... ViperGeorge has his email.


Taylor
Customer Service Representative
SRT Premium Care
1-855-778-8326

Unfortunately this guy is a tool. He would just quote you the warranty and say any and all modifications could and probably would void your warranty.

[Trainerdave]

Valve stem caps.

Bruce


Correction.... Titanium Valve stem caps , to save some weight LOL!

[ViperPete]

No tint if rear glass is exploding and window regulators are failing

Yeah i thought about that after i typed it. Oh well

[AZTVR]

Unfortunately this guy is a tool. He would just quote you the warranty and say any and all modifications could and probably would void your warranty.

I bet you that no one employed by FCA would give you any different answer than that, officially.

Unofficially, they would probably say the same.

[The_Ruski_Driver]

I think you'd be good with a catback and an intake- both may change the sound and do nearly nothing for performance other than weight savings possibly

[Fatboy 18]

20773

These should be OK, but may add weight!

You could also add this with no problems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YGOjLUJVWA

:dude3:

[ViperPete]

Lol that video is great.

[Voice of Reason]

Complete list of mods that will not void Viper warranties.

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The end

[Dman]

Complete list of mods that will not void Viper warranties.

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The end

Post of the Year!

[Fatboy 18]

Not sure if these will void FCA Rules or not?

20774

:t1253:

[ACRucrazy]

Such a shame..

[socal]

On a brighter note, most modifications will only void your warranty if something breaks, so you might be fine with everything. Or maybe not. It's best to think of it like a reverse lottery.

[Snorman]

I think those boomerang splash guards I got from Woodhouse are probably an OK modification.
http://i.imgur.com/Q7iUrO9.jpg
S.

[USCDOC]

20773

These should be OK, but may add weight!

You could also add this with no problems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YGOjLUJVWA

:dude3:

Wahahahahahaahaha.... I like how they showed a "FAIL" in the middle... I'm still laughing at that and the reverse lottery comment :lol2:

[FLATOUT]

VE Active Suspension, DS Heatshield, UD Pulley, VE Big brake kit, Team Tech belts, VE Ti Catback, Braille battery, just a couple things I can think of real quick.

[Dman]

VE Active Suspension, DS Heatshield, UD Pulley, VE Big brake kit, Team Tech belts, VE Ti Catback, Braille battery, just a couple things I can think of real quick.

Andy, so you're saying these are mods that VE will guarantee FCA will not use to void your warranty, in writing? Or that you have this guidance already from FCA? Thx.

[ViperSmith]

Mark, so you're saying these are mods that VE will guarantee FCA will not use to void your warranty, in writing? Or that you have this guidance already from FCA? Thx.
Tony :-p

[sadil]

Mark, so you're saying these are mods that VE will guarantee FCA will not use to void your warranty, in writing? Or that you have this guidance already from FCA? Thx.

Nothing on that list besides the U/D pulley should effect engine warranty. I think that's pretty obvious.

Everything else on the car besides the stuff on the list should still be under warranty.

I'm pretty sure if you bought from VE and brought it in for an issue, you would be fine with those....

Somewhere else, well good luck.

[BJG32]

On a brighter note, most modifications will only void your warranty if something breaks, so you might be fine with everything. Or maybe not. It's best to think of it like a reverse lottery.

reverse lottery.... love it.

[ViperJon]

I'm pretty sure if you bought from VE and brought it in for an issue, you would be fine with those.....

That would be convenient for people across the US.

[Snorman]

VE Active Suspension, DS Heatshield, UD Pulley, VE Big brake kit, Team Tech belts, VE Ti Catback, Braille battery, just a couple things I can think of real quick.Andy...do you have a VE BBK that's compatible with the ACR CCB knuckles?
S.

[sadil]

That would be convenient for people across the US.

Well the lack of FCA dealer support for the Viper has been well-documented. I think we can close that debate, it sucks.

Just don't see Dman (Mr I hate FCA) jumping on Andy for listing some great mods that wont void your warranty (besides U/D pulley).

It comes back to your dealer, if they know nothing about vipers, your screwed because they will document what they see and FCA will be looking for something to deny (which is not the dealer's fault).

In regards to brakes, suspension, seatbelts, and catback?? Com'n folks, who is really getting warranty denied for these things? Why are we wasting time on here fueling ridiculous fires.

I'm heavily against the dealer network in general, but if that is what we have to live with, then supporting good dealers is the right thing to do for now.

[texasram]

VE Active Suspension, DS Heatshield, UD Pulley, VE Big brake kit, Team Tech belts, VE Ti Catback, Braille battery, just a couple things I can think of real quick.
This is pretty much along the lines of what i was thinking

[BJG32]

Well the lack of FCA dealer support for the Viper has been well-documented. I think we can close that debate, it sucks.

Just don't see Dman (Mr I hate FCA) jumping on Andy for listing some great mods that wont void your warranty (besides U/D pulley).

It comes back to your dealer, if they know nothing about vipers, your screwed because they will document what they see and FCA will be looking for something to deny (which is not the dealer's fault).

In regards to brakes, suspension, seatbelts, and catback?? Com'n folks, who is really getting warranty denied for these things? Why are we wasting time on here fueling ridiculous fires.

I'm heavily against the dealer network in general, but if that is what we have to live with, then supporting good dealers is the right thing to do for now.

I had my yellowing white paint denied September of 2015 for having highflows on. I installed the highflows to stop the yellowing. There is absolutely reason to believe exhaust mod's could void at least part of your warranty.

However, this was the same time I had my engine blow. They covered the engine with the high-flows installed, but alot has changed since then.

Here is what I would do.....If you decide to mod your exhaust I would keep all stock parts. Worst case, If you blow an engine, tow the car home, put the stock parts back on, and tow/ship to the best dealer you can afford to get your car to.

[The_Ruski_Driver]

UD pulley voiding warranty? GET OUT OF HERE cmon guys no it won't. The poor guy wants to make his car cool and you're attacking him. I was gonna do UD and catback myself for a few ponies as well

[Martin]

I'm even starting to worry about getting a clear wrap on the car because someone at FCA might say "oops, you put a clear wrap on - that voided your paint warranty..."

[The_Ruski_Driver]

I'm even starting to worry about getting a clear wrap on the car because someone at FCA might say "oops, you put a clear wrap on - that voided your paint warranty..."

What's a paint warranty??

[Martin]

What's a paint warranty??

I don't know what category it falls under (corrosion or bumper to bumper, perhaps?), but there have been cases of paint bubbling up, discoloring, or otherwise having manufacturing defects that people have had to get fixed. I have personal experience with paint defects on both my Gen II and Gen IV.

[BJG32]

What's a paint warranty??

If something goes wrong with your paint you should be covered under the warranty. The stock cats bake the hell out of the sills. Browning paint is very common. If you happen to have clear wrap on the browning area, who knows what they'll say.

See post #35 for my experience.

[esm_viper]

Andy...do you have a VE BBK that's compatible with the ACR CCB knuckles?
S.

Here you go.

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/14657-Viper-Carbon-Ceramic-Converting-to-RB-Iron-Rotor

[7TH_SIGN]

We all know basic boltons like exhaust, headers, intake should not void warranties. I think altering the stock PCM carries a higher risk of warranty denial (so long as the PCM caused the failure which in the GEN V and Arrow case we know it did not).

I read some people saying that if your car clears a certain mileage it is safe. I disagree and until we get a clear acknowledgement from FCA on what is truly causing these failures, there is no "safe mileage mark". Parts can fail at anytime for any reason. What you have to ask yourself is will FCA cover it under warranty.

However with what we have seen other members go through with their failed motors and FCAs refusal to cover it, I would highly recommend you leave the car completely stock when it comes to power modifications. At least until your warranty runs out or your willing to either:

1. Fight to the death should your engine fail and FCA denies warranty coverage (lemon law, arbitration, court)
2. Your willing to come out of pocket for a rebuild
3. The modification can be uninstalled and car put back to stock form without FCA knowing about the mod. This can be risky as any trained tech could notice the reverting to factory parts (this can't be done with a Arrow PCM)


You can do all the appearance mods you would like, they cant deny a failed motor due to canards or body parts you installed and if they try to they will have an extremely difficult time doing so and fail.

I've received a lot of PMs about owners and their issues with the paint on their GEN Vs. If you have this issue don't bother contacting FCA, they will drag it out for months and it will be a very frustrating experience. Go straight to Prefix, they really care and stand behind their work. They will cover the paint issue and you won't have to come out of pocket one cent unless you want to ship the car to them. They are the definition and example of a perfect customer service experience. I can't say enough good things about Prefix. FCA on the other hand...... Well you already know.

[Dman]

Well the lack of FCA dealer support for the Viper has been well-documented. I think we can close that debate, it sucks.

Just don't see Dman (Mr I hate FCA) jumping on Andy for listing some great mods that wont void your warranty (besides U/D pulley).

It comes back to your dealer, if they know nothing about vipers, your screwed because they will document what they see and FCA will be looking for something to deny (which is not the dealer's fault).

In regards to brakes, suspension, seatbelts, and catback?? Com'n folks, who is really getting warranty denied for these things? Why are we wasting time on here fueling ridiculous fires.

I'm heavily against the dealer network in general, but if that is what we have to live with, then supporting good dealers is the right thing to do for now.

Too funny, in one part of the sentence you try to bash me for bashing Andy, and then second part of sentence you say he's indeed wrong. Hey, Sadil, stop bashing Andy. ;-P

For the record, I love Mark, in a manly sort of way. I'm asking, for example, I put a different suspension on the car, my diff whines & needs replaced, he's listing that as a safe mod, will VE assure me that FCA will replace my diff, which we know they have issues with, even with an excuse of having changed something that could indeed impact it? Again, they don't need to prove the suspension caused the diff to whine, or there to be ample evidence of stock setups failing - that's just like the bearing issue. Not sure how this is obtuse, if they will do this, then we have a stand up dealer who can give us a mods list with 100% assurance we can do those mods, many would like to know that and I'm sure take advantage of those mods that are safe. That's nor "hating on FCA", whatever that means, that's me asking for the club so we know the real options, which is what this thread is about per the OP.

[John N]

Ummmm....by Mark do you mean Andy???? Everyone knows bashing Mark is entirely different than bashing Andy.:t15197:

[Snorman]

Here you go.

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/14657-Viper-Carbon-Ceramic-Converting-to-RB-Iron-Rotor
Yes, but as far as I know, RB doesn't offer a rear conversion.
S.

[Dman]

Ummmm....by Mark do you mean Andy???? Everyone knows bashing Mark is entirely different than bashing Andy.:t15197:

Yes, yes I do, and, yes, you're right. lol

I was texting my friend Mark when on the forum, must've crossed my flux capacitor oblongata and typed Mark. Doh.

[FLATOUT]

Yes, but as far as I know, RB doesn't offer a rear conversion.
S.

No sir we do not. Only for the non ACR knuckle cars. Do have a rotor replacement coming for the carbon ceramics soon that won't break the bank.

[FLATOUT]

Andy, so you're saying these are mods that VE will guarantee FCA will not use to void your warranty, in writing? Or that you have this guidance already from FCA? Thx.

Not garunteeing anything in the current environment. I sneezed in my 15 yesterday and was waiting for a black ops team to swoop in and take the car away.

People should leave their car stock if they're that worried.

[Magzx12r]

VE Active Suspension, DS Heatshield, UD Pulley, VE Big brake kit, Team Tech belts, VE Ti Catback, Braille battery, just a couple things I can think of real quick.

Andy,
Do you keep the Ti cat back in stock? How long to install?

[Terminator02]

Andy,
Do you keep the Ti cat back in stock? How long to install?

I have it and it's awesome. I can't discuss how it sounds alone but in combination with the head and cam work I think it's part of the reason my set up gets so many compliments. The weight savings alone are great and price is pretty fair when considering the price of non Ti cats.

[FLATOUT]

Andy,
Do you keep the Ti cat back in stock? How long to install?

I have a 3 inch setup in stock, if you want a 2 1/2 inch inlet I can get one fab'd up in 3 days. Remove the side sills, pull off old Catback and install the new one. Couple hours depending on your skill level.

Andy

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I have it and it's awesome. I can't discuss how it sounds alone but in combination with the head and cam work I think it's part of the reason my set up gets so many compliments. The weight savings alone are great and price is pretty fair when considering the price of non Ti cats.

Agree, sounds great on the heads/cam builds.

[ddominator1]

how about removing the fake gas pedal? lol

[The_Ruski_Driver]

I have a 3 inch setup in stock, if you want a 2 1/2 inch inlet I can get one fab'd up in 3 days. Remove the side sills, pull off old Catback and install the new one. Couple hours depending on your skill level.

Andy

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Agree, sounds great on the heads/cam builds.

Are there instructions floating around somewhere for the install? Any video of a otherwise stock genV? I'm interested as I just sold my 3rd car... Thanks

[reshetov]

I'm enjoying all the sarcasm in this thread I have to say, but unfortunately it's true.

My car has now officially been at the dealer 3 weeks, 2 of which it has been waiting on a FCA decision to warranty the blow up motor. 100% stock, and they are looking at every little thing to deny the warranty and still no decision. If there is any doubt at all to anyone on here that something can void a warranty, they will use it against you. Any basic modification outside of aesthetics will absolutely void the warranty - to those of you guys thinking anything otherwise unfortunately just haven't experienced this yourself, and would only learn when it happens.

[ViperJon]

I'm enjoying all the sarcasm in this thread I have to say, but unfortunately it's true.

My car has now officially been at the dealer 3 weeks, 2 of which it has been waiting on a FCA decision to warranty the blow up motor. 100% stock, and they are looking at every little thing to deny the warranty and still no decision. If there is any doubt at all to anyone on here that something can void a warranty, they will use it against you. Any basic modification outside of aesthetics will absolutely void the warranty - to those of you guys thinking anything otherwise unfortunately just haven't experienced this yourself, and would only learn when it happens.

My sympathies Reshetov I would be livid. Spend six figures on the top of the line car and this is the treatment when things go bad.

[The_Ruski_Driver]

I'm enjoying all the sarcasm in this thread I have to say, but unfortunately it's true.

My car has now officially been at the dealer 3 weeks, 2 of which it has been waiting on a FCA decision to warranty the blow up motor. 100% stock, and they are looking at every little thing to deny the warranty and still no decision. If there is any doubt at all to anyone on here that something can void a warranty, they will use it against you. Any basic modification outside of aesthetics will absolutely void the warranty - to those of you guys thinking anything otherwise unfortunately just haven't experienced this yourself, and would only learn when it happens.

You can get lemon law'd on this one if you want your money back- by the time they start working on it, it'll likely be past the threshold. Where in NJ? Do you come up to Bergen County events? Wish you could make it to next Sunday's cruise I'm hosting

[ViperGeorge]

I'm enjoying all the sarcasm in this thread I have to say, but unfortunately it's true.

My car has now officially been at the dealer 3 weeks, 2 of which it has been waiting on a FCA decision to warranty the blow up motor. 100% stock, and they are looking at every little thing to deny the warranty and still no decision. If there is any doubt at all to anyone on here that something can void a warranty, they will use it against you. Any basic modification outside of aesthetics will absolutely void the warranty - to those of you guys thinking anything otherwise unfortunately just haven't experienced this yourself, and would only learn when it happens.

A friend with a stock 14 had the same issue. Took FCA almost a month to approve his engine replacement. They finally did and the car is getting its new engine installed as I write this. Car was in the shop something like a month. He probably could have lemon'd it at that point but it is a nice car. Black TA.

[7TH_SIGN]

I'm enjoying all the sarcasm in this thread I have to say, but unfortunately it's true.

My car has now officially been at the dealer 3 weeks, 2 of which it has been waiting on a FCA decision to warranty the blow up motor. 100% stock, and they are looking at every little thing to deny the warranty and still no decision. If there is any doubt at all to anyone on here that something can void a warranty, they will use it against you. Any basic modification outside of aesthetics will absolutely void the warranty - to those of you guys thinking anything otherwise unfortunately just haven't experienced this yourself, and would only learn when it happens.

Your absolutely right on all levels with this statement.

[Fatboy 18]

I'm enjoying all the sarcasm in this thread I have to say, but unfortunately it's true.

My car has now officially been at the dealer 3 weeks, 2 of which it has been waiting on a FCA decision to warranty the blow up motor. 100% stock, and they are looking at every little thing to deny the warranty and still no decision. If there is any doubt at all to anyone on here that something can void a warranty, they will use it against you. Any basic modification outside of aesthetics will absolutely void the warranty - to those of you guys thinking anything otherwise unfortunately just haven't experienced this yourself, and would only learn when it happens.

Very, very sorry to hear you are another owner who stepped up to buy a GenV are getting this sort of service from Dodge FCA.

Some legacy ey!

[ViperPete]

how about removing the fake gas pedal? lol

You mean the dead-pedal? I doubt that would void the warranty

[Fatboy 18]

You mean the dead-pedal? I doubt that would void the warranty
I read that as more sarcasm, (if you removed the accelerator pedal then the car would not go anywhere and your engine might be safe).......Only said might be ;)