View Full Version : Well I didn t see that one coming
mjorgensen
10-10-2016, 02:54 PM
20415
Murpowa
10-10-2016, 02:55 PM
Hot damn
nx91notch
10-10-2016, 02:58 PM
Great news for who have never had the Arrow PCM installed.
But remember the extension is still going to be considered null and void if they determine an Arrows PCM has ever been installed on the car. But at least it's a start.
But I see it says "select 13/14 owners" I wonder which ones they consider fall under the extension? Ones that passed R28/29 recalls and still blow a motor? Certain build dates?
ViperJon
10-10-2016, 03:03 PM
Can't read it.
Fatboy 18
10-10-2016, 03:14 PM
Mopar increasing powertrain warranty from 5yrs or 100,000 miles to 10 years or 100,000 miles :)
nx91notch
10-10-2016, 03:15 PM
Can't read it.
Select 2013 - 2014 Vipers have been given an extension to 10 years/100,000 powertrain warranty
NT-ACR
10-10-2016, 03:15 PM
20415
This is my best attempt at transcribing the pertinent parts:
"To announce the increase of the Powertrain Limited Warranty coverage from 5 years/100,000 miles to 10 years/100,000 miles on the odometer, whichever occurs first, calculated from the start date of the Basic Limited Warranty, as set forth in the Warranty Information Book Section 2.1(E)
On select 2013-2014- Dodge Viper (ZD)
Timing:
Effective Immediately"
swexlin
10-10-2016, 03:44 PM
On select...which of us will be the lucky ones? Us R28 folks? I guess we'll see. I'm going in for service (routine - PA state inspection and oil change) on Thursday, so I'll ask about it,
One thing - those of us who bought an extended warranty, I guess that money was not needed to be spent.....
ViperGeorge
10-10-2016, 03:46 PM
This could be great once we find out what "Select 2013-2014 - Dodge Viper" means.
ViperPete
10-10-2016, 03:48 PM
How can we tell?!?!??!?
oh man i wonder if my car qualifies!!!!!
swexlin
10-10-2016, 03:49 PM
This could be great once we find out what "Select 2013-2014 - Dodge Viper" means.
I suspect its those of us who had the R/28 and/or R29 recalls. Just a guess.
Taximan1
10-10-2016, 04:41 PM
I agree. "select" means, this is probably for R28 2013-2014 cars only AT THIS POINT.. huge... good job FCA. And I'm sure the Arrow PCM cars are still void. that's a completely different issue.
TheMadMachinist
10-10-2016, 04:50 PM
Seems like great news to me and forgive me for saying it "But way to go FCA" Good to see them stepping up and doing right.
I really don't think any of you guys need to get your panties in a bind over their wording.
SinasViperTA
10-10-2016, 04:58 PM
Wow great news indeed! Please post how we can confirm who this applies to :)
darbgnik
10-10-2016, 05:00 PM
Can't wait to see the complaints generated by this one!
Can I start? I have a 2015...... and I'm in Canada..... Waaa. Hahaha
Larryskillzs
10-10-2016, 05:08 PM
Well,
That's called stepping up.
Good job FCA.
Maybe I'll find a 13' GTS and trade in my 15' SRT for the extra 3 years of warranty. Lol.
darbgnik
10-10-2016, 05:16 PM
Well,
That's called stepping up.
Good job FCA.
Maybe I'll find a 13' GTS and trade in my 15' SRT for the extra 3 years of warranty. Lol.
Hahaha, awesome!
early13viper
10-10-2016, 05:23 PM
I'm confused, does this mean my 2013 Launch Edition has a powertrain warranty until 2023? Or is this only for cars with engines that have been replaced?
AZTVR
10-10-2016, 05:28 PM
As a person shopping for a 2013-2014 Viper, this is excellent news!
I look forward to hearing if it is limited to the R28 cars or if it applies to all of them ! This definitely addresses a major concern that I have as a potential buyer.
Topplayer
10-10-2016, 05:32 PM
On select...which of us will be the lucky ones? Us R28 folks? I guess we'll see. I'm going in for service (routine - PA state inspection and oil change) on Thursday, so I'll ask about it,
One thing - those of us who bought an extended warranty, I guess that money was not needed to be spent.....
If its through FCA you can get 100% of your money back before your factory warranty runs out, or you can get a prorated amount back based on how long its been in use.
If you sell the car you can get some of the warranty money back or transfer it to the next owner (I guess trade in or private sale)
texasram
10-10-2016, 05:34 PM
My prayers have been answered
texasram
10-10-2016, 05:40 PM
Can't read it.
Same
That's awesome that they are stepping up on the 13-14's. I hope they do for the rest of us who got shafted!
swexlin
10-10-2016, 05:49 PM
If its through FCA you can get 100% of your money back before your factory warranty runs out, or you can get a prorated amount back based on how long its been in use.
If you sell the car you can get some of the warranty money back or transfer it to the next owner (I guess trade in or private sale)
Yes, mine is through FCA. Good to know. If I'm in the group, I'll ask my service manager the process.
texasram
10-10-2016, 05:54 PM
What is the id number so we can look up and view clearly
Wow amazing news. Can't wait to see what "select" means.
swexlin
10-10-2016, 06:12 PM
Very happy that FCA is stepping up like this. Thank you.
Policy Limits
10-10-2016, 06:20 PM
Just wow! I passed R38/39 but like many still remained concerned with subsequent failures. I had a dealer service literally Friday and wasn't news yet I guess (but got 4 new software updates, the pcm one was covered under power train warranty the others weren't) but I think that noticed is dated for today which was after my service. They should set up a system like the mopar site so we can plug in VIN's to see if we are within the "select" vehicles. Very impressive and unprecedented for a manufacturer as far as I am aware.
cashcorn
10-10-2016, 06:22 PM
Maybe, the FCA is trying to bargain up to the law suit ..
swexlin
10-10-2016, 06:25 PM
Just wow! I passed R38/39 but like many still remained concerned with subsequent failures. I had a dealer service literally Friday and wasn't news yet I guess (but got 4 new software updates, the pcm one was covered under power train warranty the others weren't) but I think that noticed is dated for today which was after my service. They should set up a system like the mopar site so we can plug in VIN's to see if we are within the "select" vehicles. Very impressive and unprecedented for a manufacturer as far as I am aware.
I go in on Thursday for service. I guess I'm getting some software updates as well? I'm going in for state inspection and oil change.
Policy Limits
10-10-2016, 06:34 PM
There are 4. Three were not so bad but the one for the instrument cluster was lengthy. I was there over an hour waiting for the software updates to complete. But more importantly, let us know if your car pops up on the extended powertrain warranty noted here!
Just wow! I passed R38/39 but like many still remained concerned with subsequent failures. I had a dealer service literally Friday and wasn't news yet I guess (but got 4 new software updates, the pcm one was covered under power train warranty the others weren't) but I think that noticed is dated for today which was after my service. They should set up a system like the mopar site so we can plug in VIN's to see if we are within the "select" vehicles. Very impressive and unprecedented for a manufacturer as far as I am aware.
Dude...you have said r38/r39 so many times in other threads too...it's r28/r29!!! ;)
swexlin
10-10-2016, 06:36 PM
There are 4. Three were not so bad but the one for the instrument cluster was lengthy. I was there over an hour waiting for the software updates to complete. But more importantly, let us know if your car pops up on the extended powertrain warranty noted here!
Thanks and will do. I'll ask about the software on Thursday.
NT-ACR
10-10-2016, 06:46 PM
Dude...you have said r38/r39 so many times in other threads too...it's r28/r29!!! ;)
No, he's correct. It's the one where they upgrade your engine to 8.8L.
Well I won't poo poo this small news. But before I start tongue kissing FCA I'll wait for the other shoe to drop. We have failed engines in cas that have and haven't had R28/29 and '13-16 years. So select 13/13s doesn't exactly get me chubbing, I guess we'll see how many are really covered and what they do about 15/16 cars or 17 for that matter. If they're taking this step, I'm also interested to see if they explain exactly why they're doing it, then we might learn the true issue(s).
ViperPete
10-10-2016, 07:07 PM
Mines got the warranty!!!!!! WOOT! 10 years 100k baby!
Mines got the warranty!!!!!! WOOT! 10 years 100k baby!
Mine too! Time to cancel that extended warranty tomorrow....
ViperPete
10-10-2016, 07:19 PM
Mine too! Time to cancel that extended warranty tomorrow....
My extended Service Contract is to another 4 years and up to 60k of "Bumper to Bumper" only 10k on the car now. No way I am canceling that warranty. The power train is great but I've already had the pass side window innards fail twice, both door speakers and a number of other oddities. Would get expensive over time.
Policy Limits
10-10-2016, 07:23 PM
Dude...you have said r38/r39 so many times in other threads too...it's r28/r29!!! ;)
I'm passive aggressive
NT-ACR
10-10-2016, 07:25 PM
My extended Service Contract is to another 4 years and up to 60k of "Bumper to Bumper" only 10k on the car now. No way I am canceling that warranty. The power train is great but I've already had the pass side window innards fail twice, both door speakers and a number of other oddities. Would get expensive over time.
Nothing like hand-built quality.
ViperPete
10-10-2016, 07:28 PM
Nothing like hand-built quality.
Doesn't mean that it was put together poorly. The parts are just sub-par in some cases. The people that put them together really love the cars and their jobs. Take a trip to CAAP and see for yourself.
AZTVR
10-10-2016, 07:39 PM
Mines got the warranty!!!!!! WOOT! 10 years 100k baby!
Mine too! Time to cancel that extended warranty tomorrow....
How did you guys verify that your cars were included?
I am interested to know how to look it up online, if possible
How did you guys verify that your cars were included?
I am interested to know how to look it up online, if possible
There was a dealership employee on the Facebook post for this news that offered to look them up by VIN. I assume any service dept would be able to check it for you.
v10enomous
10-10-2016, 07:55 PM
Sounds like Finance, Legal and Accounting got together and figured out that the cost of the potential litigation coupled with the bad PR was higher than just fixing the cars that break. Either way.. Great News!!!
Bill Pemberton
10-10-2016, 07:56 PM
Just checked mine and it shows 10/100 already!! Any Dodge Dealer should be able to check for you.
ACRucrazy
10-10-2016, 07:59 PM
Huge news would be extended warranty to 13-17 Vipers. We all know even 15 and 16s are having issues. I see no reason why 17 would be different.
At least it's a start!!
Bill Pemberton
10-10-2016, 08:32 PM
Checked a few 13s and it appears if you had both the R28 and R29 you got the extention. If you only had the R29 the warranty period stays the same.
Vipes
10-10-2016, 08:33 PM
Damn, that was one of the main reasons I didn't get a TA since most only have 2-3 years left on the power train warranty. Congrats to the winners!
Vibert
10-10-2016, 08:40 PM
Is there a way to get the PCM to be congruent with the odometer?
NT-ACR
10-10-2016, 08:44 PM
Is there a way to get the PCM to be congruent with the odometer?
If there is, no one has mentioned it. Maybe get a fund together to hire one of those 12 year old hackers from Russia to figure it out. Those guys can crack anything.
Policy Limits
10-10-2016, 08:46 PM
Checked a few 13s and it appears if you had both the R28 and R29 you got the extention. If you only had the R29 the warranty period stays the same.
Jackpot for DV100048? Sounds that way
BJG32
10-10-2016, 09:01 PM
Is there a way to get the PCM to be congruent with the odometer?
Fry your oem pcm with as much electicty as you can run through it, hide your arrow, install oem back into car, tow car to dealership, shrug your shoulders, now you have your warranty back for about $1500....unless they cover it all under warranty....lol
Checked a few 13s and it appears if you had both the R28 and R29 you got the extention. If you only had the R29 the warranty period stays the same.
If this is true than my theory of r29 cars is correct. I wanted one with just r29 issues since they are much less likely to blow. They don't have contamination issues, just subject to consumption. Mine doesn't burn a drop and 9,000 miles now.
Mine doesn't burn a drop either, has 7500 miles, and only had R29. Hoping I am in the clear.
And yet we've had spun bearings in R29 only cars and cars with neither 28 or 29.
I guess every car that's not on the list is owner error
And yet we've had spun bearings in R29 only cars and cars with neither 28 or 29.
I guess every car that's not on the list is owner error
Like I said, it's a lot less likely to blow on r29 cars. None of us will know for certain, but the fact the FCA only picked certain cars to issue r28 to and now to extend warranty to those cars looks like there's a pattern. Do you have any data that shows r29 cars blow due to metal shavings? The vast majority I've seen is due to low oil. We seem to go back and forth, but I ran a lot of VINs and saw patterns.
Venomns
10-11-2016, 12:38 AM
Low oil from engine burning too much too fast though?! That's still a big problem imo...
Low oil from engine burning too much too fast though?! That's still a big problem imo...
Yes but at least you can monitor it. Contamination is a crap shoot.
apeas2
10-11-2016, 04:53 AM
Where are you guys checking to see if you car got the extended warranty? My 14 Vin 100356 had R28andR29, but is showing 5 years on Mopar owners.
swexlin
10-11-2016, 05:58 AM
My extended Service Contract is to another 4 years and up to 60k of "Bumper to Bumper" only 10k on the car now. No way I am canceling that warranty. The power train is great but I've already had the pass side window innards fail twice, both door speakers and a number of other oddities. Would get expensive over time.
Confirmed I have it as well! And now I realize will keep the extended contract I bought for the reasons ViperPete gave.
swexlin
10-11-2016, 06:00 AM
Checked a few 13s and it appears if you had both the R28 and R29 you got the extention. If you only had the R29 the warranty period stays the same.
Thanks Bill, my guess was correct.
donk_316
10-11-2016, 08:45 AM
Shame they didn't feel that every G5 Viper engine was worth this warranty.
V10 Snake
10-11-2016, 08:55 AM
dealer just confirmed. powertrain warranty extended to 10 years.!!!:dude3: and yes I did have the R28 AND R29 recalls performed. everything came back normal!!
I confirmed mine does not have it. Makes sense since I was only issued r29, not r28 so not in contamination range.
texasram
10-11-2016, 09:12 AM
I confirmed mine does not have it. Makes sense since I was only issued r29, not r28 so not in contamination range.
im in the same boat to man, i havnt confirmed but this tells me that i dont have it, mines a 13 and now have 5k miles and doesnt burn a drop, before 5k i was a quart every 1k, should i waste my time and check anyway?
Vibert
10-11-2016, 09:28 AM
Shame they didn't feel that every G5 Viper engine was worth this warranty.
Word. I agree. And the Arrow PCM issue is unresolved.
Those of you that had r28 and got your warranty extended...congrats. It's great FCA is stepping up. The fact they are doing this is because people who passed r28 still were blowing motors due to oil contamination found in their motor. Another 5 years should hopefully drain out any remaining motor failures as long as those owners put some miles on it. The fact that FCA extended it another 5 years for just those r28 issued cars shows that they are still at a much higher probability of blowing.
BJG32
10-11-2016, 09:49 AM
Those of you that had r28 and got your warranty extended...congrats. It's great FCA is stepping up. The fact they are doing this is because people who passed r28 still were blowing motors due to oil contamination found in their motor. Another 5 years should hopefully drain out any remaining motor failures as long as those owners put some miles on it. The fact that FCA extended it another 5 years for just those r28 issued cars shows that they are still at a much higher probability of blowing.
.........and to those that have R28, original engine, and arrow tune..... may the force be with you.
swexlin
10-11-2016, 09:50 AM
I think I will indeed drive my car more now. Well, next season, anyway, as the cold weather is starting, and crappiness is sure to follow....
Taximan1
10-11-2016, 09:55 AM
looks like the R28 cars just got a value bump.. lol. Way to step up Dodge.
Bruce H.
10-11-2016, 09:57 AM
I think it was really just a matter of time until FCA figured out what to do to address the problem. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of the program being extended to cover more vehicles.
Does anyone happen to know if there's an extended warranty affecting some cars in Canada? Up here we only have a 3 yr powertrain warranty with the Viper, or at least it was 3 yrs in 2014.
looks like the R28 cars just got a value bump.. lol. Way to step up Dodge.
For the uneducated buyer, yes, it will definitely help. However, one has to wonder why they would extend just R28 issued cars. There is a lot of uncertainty with the contamination issues since its been shown that even if you pass R28, it doesn't mean shit. Regardless, the fact that FCA stepped up to help owners with a R28 is awesome. I would love to have another 5 years, but at the same time, it feels good to know that my TA is not in the oil contamination range. I still have about 3 years of warranty on the powertrain left and 1 year of bumper to bumper.
texasram
10-11-2016, 10:27 AM
For the uneducated buyer, yes, it will definitely help. However, one has to wonder why they would extend just R28 issued cars. There is a lot of uncertainty with the contamination issues since its been shown that even if you pass R28, it doesn't mean shit. Regardless, the fact that FCA stepped up to help owners with a R28 is awesome. I would love to have another 5 years, but at the same time, it feels good to know that my TA is not in the oil contamination range. I still have about 3 years of warranty on the powertrain left and 1 year of bumper to bumper.
Just this morning i have seen 2-13's go up 2 to 3 thousand on asking price
Taximan1
10-11-2016, 10:32 AM
For the uneducated buyer, yes, it will definitely help. However, one has to wonder why they would extend just R28 issued cars. There is a lot of uncertainty with the contamination issues since its been shown that even if you pass R28, it doesn't mean shit. Regardless, the fact that FCA stepped up to help owners with a R28 is awesome. I would love to have another 5 years, but at the same time, it feels good to know that my TA is not in the oil contamination range. I still have about 3 years of warranty on the powertrain left and 1 year of bumper to bumper.
R29 only cars have blown motors, we all know that (some 15-16s even). so you are NOT for sure, in the clear with R29 only....
its my opinion that the cars MOST effected by the R28, went through motors very early on in life. (like Viper5150 which went out with 10 miles on it).
Also, I still think some of the motors we have seen go out with higher mileage (5-6k) were low on oil.. not all, but some.. which caused the 0 oil pressure in the pickup for a brief period scenario.
All I know is, I have had (2) 2014 Gen5's, One with both R28/R29, and one with just R29. Both are awesome cars.. I have zero complaints with either of them, they have both been trouble free....... And I think the majority of people still feel the same way, and truly enjoy these cars..
I'm just glad to see Dodge stepping up. I feel bad for the Arrow PCM owners. but that's not new news.. Most manufacturers will void warranty for a PCM change. AMG Mercedes absolutely will, ask me how I know.. lol. (had a RennTech E55)
If they see more of these failures on 14-17 units (since all 2013 are R28 doesn't apply, all are already extended). I bet you will see the warranty expanded to cover all 2013-2017 units.
swexlin
10-11-2016, 10:34 AM
R29 only cars have blown motors, we all know that. so you are NOT in the clear with R29 only....
its my opinion that the cars MOST effected by the R28, went through motors very early on in life. (like Viper5150 which went out with 10 miles on it).
Also, I still think some of the motors we have seen go out with higher mileage (5-6k) were low on oil.. not all, but some.. which caused the 0 oil pressure in the pickup for a brief period scenario.
All I know is, I have had (2) 2014 Gen5's, One with both R28/R29, and one with just R29. Both are awesome cars.. I have zero complaints with either of them... I'm just glad to see Dodge stepping up. I feel bad for the Arrow PCM owners. but that's not new news.. Most manufacturers will void warranty for a PCM change. AMG Mercedes absolutely will, ask me how I know.. lol. (had a RennTech E55)
If they see more of these failures on 14-17 units (since all 2013 are R28 doesn't apply, all are already extended). I bet you will see the warranty expanded to cover all 2013-2017 units.
Excellent post. Only outlier car was Arizona's 13 Track Pack - he had 12,000 when it went.
Taximan1
10-11-2016, 10:41 AM
Excellent post. Only outlier car was Arizona's 13 Track Pack - he had 12,000 when it went.
right... and to that.... we have no answers (assuming it was never low on oil)... there has to be a secondary issue with these motors... I cant see how a car truly effected by oil contamination could survive, 3,4,5, or 12 thousand miles...
And if there indeed is a secondary issue.. that means all 2013-2016(and maybe even 2017). have some risk..
R29 only cars have blown motors, we all know that (some 15-16s even). so you are NOT for sure, in the clear with R29 only....
its my opinion that the cars MOST effected by the R28, went through motors very early on in life. (like Viper5150 which went out with 10 miles on it).
Also, I still think some of the motors we have seen go out with higher mileage (5-6k) were low on oil.. not all, but some.. which caused the 0 oil pressure in the pickup for a brief period scenario.
All I know is, I have had (2) 2014 Gen5's, One with both R28/R29, and one with just R29. Both are awesome cars.. I have zero complaints with either of them, they have both been trouble free....... And I think the majority of people still feel the same way, and truly enjoy these cars..
I'm just glad to see Dodge stepping up. I feel bad for the Arrow PCM owners. but that's not new news.. Most manufacturers will void warranty for a PCM change. AMG Mercedes absolutely will, ask me how I know.. lol. (had a RennTech E55)
If they see more of these failures on 14-17 units (since all 2013 are R28 doesn't apply, all are already extended). I bet you will see the warranty expanded to cover all 2013-2017 units.
I never said r29 only cars are in the clear. I said they are a lot less likely to blow and r28 cars have a higher probability
AZTVR
10-11-2016, 10:50 AM
looks like the R28 cars just got a value bump.
For the uneducated buyer, yes, it will definitely help.
zee, I didn't understand your conclusion. Why would an extended warranty only be of value to an uneducated buyer?
NT-ACR
10-11-2016, 10:52 AM
dealer just confirmed. powertrain warranty extended to 10 years.!!!:dude3: and yes I did have the R28 AND R29 recalls performed. everything came back normal!!
Ok. The fact that you have a Viper GTS from 2103 means that you obviously have a time machine. Please share the details of how you acquired it.
I look forward to your PM.
zee, I didn't understand your conclusion. Why would an extended warranty only be of value to an uneducated buyer?
I didn't mean it wouldn't add value, it certainly does. All I was trying to point out that the fact only r28 cars were issued extensions should raise some eyebrows, that's all.
GasGas
10-11-2016, 10:58 AM
I think it was really just a matter of time until FCA figured out what to do to address the problem. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of the program being extended to cover more vehicles.
Does anyone happen to know if there's an extended warranty affecting some cars in Canada? Up here we only have a 3 yr powertrain warranty with the Viper, or at least it was 3 yrs in 2014.
No bulletin released as yet but I would need a "R28" vin to confirm. I can see on the US side where the powertrain coverage was increased to 120 months or 100,000 miles for a specific vin so the American dealers should also be able to check the Canadian vin's. Like with the US, my 2013 (R29 only) did not get the extended powertrain coverage so far. However, my in service date was Sept. 2015 so still covered for almost another 2 years ...
And I agree that they may broaden the coverage for other Gen5's in the future.
Vette2Viper
10-11-2016, 11:15 AM
Happy camper here!
New 2016 engine due to a R28 recall and now I have a powertrain warranty good until Nov 2023.
texasram
10-11-2016, 11:27 AM
I didn't mean it wouldn't add value, it certainly does. All I was trying to point out that the fact only r28 cars were issued extensions should raise some eyebrows, that's all.
i dont think the vipers that i seen today suddenly increase asking price is a coincidence
Bruce H.
10-11-2016, 12:21 PM
No bulletin released as yet but I would need an "R28" vin to confirm. I can see on the US side where the powertrain coverage was increased to 120months or 100,000 miles for a specific vin so the American dealers should also be able to check the Canadian vin's. Like with the US, my 2013 (R29 only) did not get the extended powertrain coverage so far. My in service date was Sept. 2015 so still good for almost another year, though.
And I agree that they may broaden the coverage for other Gen5's in the future.
I just have the R29 and 25000 miles so I think I'm in the clear, but I thought I saw a post saying a car with just the R29 got the warranty extended as well.
99RT10
10-11-2016, 03:32 PM
Those of you that had r28 and got your warranty extended...congrats. It's great FCA is stepping up. The fact they are doing this is because people who passed r28 still were blowing motors due to oil contamination found in their motor. Another 5 years should hopefully drain out any remaining motor failures as long as those owners put some miles on it. The fact that FCA extended it another 5 years for just those r28 issued cars shows that they are still at a much higher probability of blowing.
All Gen 5s should get the extended warranty, but that being said those who don't get the extended warrant had better drive the dogsh!t out of their own the cars. If they have only a few years left, I would rather find out before the warranty runs out rather than after. Plus think of the fun you will have driving the car EVERYWHERE :D
uberpube
10-11-2016, 05:32 PM
Ok. The fact that you have a Viper GTS from 2103 means that you obviously have a time machine. Please share the details of how you acquired it.
I look forward to your PM.
Man, so much for buying the last special edition....
I had my dealer ask the question about engine issues, and he said so far all he has heard is crickets.
ViperGeorge
10-11-2016, 05:38 PM
Every car with R28 also has R29. R29 effected all MY 13, 14, and 15. So in reality they are extending the warranty BECAUSE the car is subject to R28 not R28 and R29. R29 is irrelevant.
SuperBird4404BBL
10-11-2016, 06:59 PM
My car was also selected for the extended warranty. I got both recalls.
I'm keeping my Chrysler extended warranty, I could not imagine dealing with all the electronics.
Chrysler should give all of us that purchased the extended warranty some cash back. Like that would happen!
prpaster
10-11-2016, 07:39 PM
I still dont understand the Arrow thing. If it blows and the arrow PCM is on it at the time and you try to switch it they are going to no as none of the faults will be on it. But if it fails and it is on the Stock PCM they have to prove the aftermarket pcm caused the issue. I know this has been said a 100 times. I find it interesting that the dealers and even screwing owners as they get paid for the warranty work. Seems there might be more to some of these story's just doesnt make a lot of sense but logical doesnt always prevail.
AZTVR
10-11-2016, 10:14 PM
I still dont understand the Arrow thing. If it blows and the arrow PCM is on it at the time and you try to switch it they are going to no as none of the faults will be on it. But if it fails and it is on the Stock PCM they have to prove the aftermarket pcm caused the issue. I know this has been said a 100 times. I find it interesting that the dealers and even screwing owners as they get paid for the warranty work. Seems there might be more to some of these story's just doesnt make a lot of sense but logical doesnt always prevail.
You are very correct. It has all been said 100 times before. As far as I have read, no one has completed the process whereby FCA is made to prove that the aftermarket part was the cause of the failure.
You are very correct. It has all been said 100 times before. As far as I have read, no one has completed the process whereby FCA is made to prove that the aftermarket part was the cause of the failure.
I am working on getting that to happen, its not easy to do so when they will not cooperate. The next steps are legal action. My car is on a truck, with Frank Barba from the forum, to Arrow to get the motor pulled, analyzed, and rebuilt. I will post their findings soon.
swexlin
10-12-2016, 06:28 AM
My car was also selected for the extended warranty. I got both recalls.
I'm keeping my Chrysler extended warranty, I could not imagine dealing with all the electronics.
Chrysler should give all of us that purchased the extended warranty some cash back. Like that would happen!
Good to hear Greg!
BJG32
10-12-2016, 08:12 AM
I am working on getting that to happen, its not easy to do so when they will not cooperate. The next steps are legal action. My car is on a truck, with Frank Barba from the forum, to Arrow to get the motor pulled, analyzed, and rebuilt. I will post their findings soon.
Thank you for fighting this!
I still dont understand the Arrow thing. If it blows and the arrow PCM is on it at the time and you try to switch it they are going to no as none of the faults will be on it. But if it fails and it is on the Stock PCM they have to prove the aftermarket pcm caused the issue. I know this has been said a 100 times. I find it interesting that the dealers and even screwing owners as they get paid for the warranty work. Seems there might be more to some of these story's just doesnt make a lot of sense but logical doesnt always prevail.
Because you're being logical, and FCA is not, that's why it doesn't make sense.
I just read that FCA is now using the same argument to defend itself against the Yelchin death, where the kid from Star Trek was killed when his Jeep backed into him when he got out, the Jeep had a recall on it for .... not going into Park correctly, and FCA is reporting in court docs that Yelchin had modifications on the Jeep and so the recall and they aren't responsible, the family court rebuttal says that the mods had nothing to do with the Jeep going into Park or the defect.
Sound familiar. And we think we have problems, at least our Viper aren't running us over by design and FCA denying it.
I am working on getting that to happen, its not easy to do so when they will not cooperate. The next steps are legal action. My car is on a truck, with Frank Barba from the forum, to Arrow to get the motor pulled, analyzed, and rebuilt. I will post their findings soon.
Arrow has a dog in this fight for sure as well, and they have the 'man' as far as the engine goes, so you're taking the best path. We're all behind you and wishing you the best. And yes, thanks for fighting, you're 100% in the right and hopefully that will prevail.
ViperGeorge
10-12-2016, 10:13 AM
Sound familiar. And we think we have problems, at least our Viper aren't running us over by design and FCA denying it.
Well at least not yet.
evomind
10-12-2016, 11:26 AM
Because you're being logical, and FCA is not, that's why it doesn't make sense.
I just read that FCA is now using the same argument to defend itself against the Yelchin death, where the kid from Star Trek was killed when his Jeep backed into him when he got out, the Jeep had a recall on it for .... not going into Park correctly, and FCA is reporting in court docs that Yelchin had modifications on the Jeep and so the recall and they aren't responsible, the family court rebuttal says that the mods had nothing to do with the Jeep going into Park or the defect.
Sound familiar. And we think we have problems, at least our Viper aren't running us over by design and FCA denying it.
Ouch!
Ludington1
10-12-2016, 11:45 AM
Interesting note about the Yelchin case and I wouldn't underestimate the way which that could be affecting the Viper/PCM situation.
Interesting note about the Yelchin case and I wouldn't underestimate the way which that could be affecting the Viper/PCM situation.
Yea. Since precedent setting is so critical. All claim denials for totally unrelated mods across their products might indeed be tied together. The wrongful death case for Yelchin, with his earning potential, I'm sure is huge. Nothing hurts your bottom line more than having an up and coming celebrity movie star die from a product defect.
May he RIP, crush asphyxiation. Sad. Was a fan of his work from his early days and Star Trek, that's why I was interested in the follow up. And was amazed at what I read.
swexlin
10-12-2016, 12:00 PM
Yea. Since precedent setting is so critical. All claim denials for totally unrelated mods across their products might indeed be tied together. The wrongful death case for Yelchin, with his earning potential, I'm sure is huge. Nothing hurts your bottom line more than having an up and coming celebrity movie star die from a product defect.
May he RIP, crush asphyxiation. Sad. Was a fan of his work from his early days and Star Trek, that's why I was interested in the follow up. And was amazed at what I read.
Seems to me if it gets traction, FCA would back down - they know it wasn't the mod that killed him. If they continue to deny for that, the public fallout and bad press will be huge.
AZTVR
10-12-2016, 01:06 PM
I just read that FCA is now using the same argument to defend itself against the Yelchin death, where the kid from Star Trek was killed when his Jeep backed into him when he got out, the Jeep had a recall on it for .... not going into Park correctly, and FCA is reporting in court docs that Yelchin had modifications on the Jeep and so the recall and they aren't responsible, the family court rebuttal says that the mods had nothing to do with the Jeep going into Park or the defect..
Interesting. Could you post a link? I did a search and could not find anything where FCA was defending itself based on mods, or any mention of any mods that might have been suspected. I do see some articles about the dealership's defense (which is also being sued in addition to FCA) and they mention mods; but, the quotes of the dealership's defense documents don't actually say anything about mods. One of the tabloids says that the words may "hint" that he "may" have made changes that caused the issue. I saw absolutely nothing that hinted at that. It just looks like an entertainment "reporter" puffing something up to me.
It wouldn't surprise me if FCA used the modification thing as a defense; but, I'd like to see something that actually says that that's what they are doing.
Policy Limits
10-12-2016, 01:07 PM
My car is warrantied powertrain-wise until 2023. Andy from Facebook said so after checking my VIN, therefore it must be true. Lolz
MK2_Viper
10-12-2016, 01:30 PM
All Gen 5s should get the extended warranty, but that being said those who don't get the extended warrant had better drive the dogsh!t out of their own the cars. If they have only a few years left, I would rather find out before the warranty runs out rather than after. Plus think of the fun you will have driving the car EVERYWHERE :D
I'm heeding this advice lol !
Stealth
10-12-2016, 01:35 PM
My Dealer just verified that my '14 GTS with 7,900 mi. received the 10 year/100k mi. powertrain warranty addition. The car had both the R28 and R29 Recalls and has been running perfectly.
Like others, I also have the 7yr. Maxicare Chrysler Extended Warranty and have no plans to change that. My car has had 4 oil/filter changes (including R28) so maybe that helped. Excluding any Owner low oil operation errors (if any), it sure looks like it is probably just luck-of-the draw for problems/vs. no problems. It is good of FCA to provide the extended powertrain warranty--it was not necessary but a good business decision. It would probably also be a good idea to give it to all Gen Vs.
Terminator02
10-12-2016, 01:50 PM
OK let's assume fca never steps up and takes ownership of their inherent defects. Let's assume all the people current and future are denied coverage due to the controller. Is it worth worrying every day, researching probabilities, not modding to your liking and not driving how you want to in order to save around 10-15k to properly crate ship and rebuild? I have thoroughly evaluated that and it's just too damn an awesome and fun car to continue to worry about the "what ifs." I do hope people that aren't happy find a solution because having cars like these really are intended to be a fun and exciting and visceral experience. I'm no rich billionaire but I'm ready to pony up the cost if the worst happens as my car is exactly how I want it. I genuinely hope everyone does their costs benefits analysis and arrive at a comfort point.
Dave
viper04
10-12-2016, 02:10 PM
Good news for sure!
lochnessmonster
10-12-2016, 08:46 PM
I'm not surprised at all............. Just like I wasn't surprised with the way FCA dealt with Rexius, or the fact that I haven't been PM'd back by the VOA regarding Disc's issues.... I've defended this company's actions from the start of all the BS, and I'll continue to do so, until they give me reason to do otherwise. What's the phrase? "Ye have little faith." Yeah, that's it...........
Terminator02
10-13-2016, 07:25 AM
I never said r29 only cars are in the clear. I said they are a lot less likely to blow and r28 cars have a higher probability
If this is true than my theory of r29 cars is correct. I wanted one with just r29 issues since they are much less likely to blow. They don't have contamination issues, just subject to consumption. Mine doesn't burn a drop and 9,000 miles now.
"I confirmed mine does not have it. Makes sense since I was only issued r29, not r28 so not in contamination range"
Cringeworthy. You have stated in one page of comments the same thing 3 different ways. The entire forum and possibly Prius forums know you are happy with just having r29 as you specifically sought it out. You also belabor this delusional belief that r28 cars have a "much higher probability to blow." Explain with alacrity that point please as you mention probability in a very high range over and over.
sadil
10-13-2016, 08:54 AM
"I confirmed mine does not have it. Makes sense since I was only issued r29, not r28 so not in contamination range"
Cringeworthy. You have stated in one page of comments the same thing 3 different ways. The entire forum and possibly Prius forums know you are happy with just having r29 as you specifically sought it out. You also belabor this delusional belief that r28 cars have a "much higher probability to blow." Explain with alacrity that point please as you mention probability in a very high range over and over.
Lack of engineering reasoning and an excess amount of opinion-backed "facts" seem to be a recurring theme over here lol.
texasram
10-13-2016, 11:36 AM
"I confirmed mine does not have it. Makes sense since I was only issued r29, not r28 so not in contamination range"
Cringeworthy. You have stated in one page of comments the same thing 3 different ways. The entire forum and possibly Prius forums know you are happy with just having r29 as you specifically sought it out. You also belabor this delusional belief that r28 cars have a "much higher probability to blow." Explain with alacrity that point please as you mention probability in a very high range over and over.
Says the guy who says he knows how every1 else drives there vipers
Terminator02
10-13-2016, 12:06 PM
Says the guy who says he knows how every1 else drives there vipers
Invest in an education.
Policy Limits
10-13-2016, 12:19 PM
Lmfboooooooo
ViperSmith
10-13-2016, 12:29 PM
Lord, they extend warranties and people still find something to complain about. Bunch of teenage girls.
Terminator02
10-13-2016, 01:09 PM
Lord, they extend warranties and people still find something to complain about. Bunch of teenage girls.
I came with a question as to why some insist on using language that hinders quite a few people who have r28 vehicles. There's no evidence that they have a "very high probability of blowing up" compared to other cars. But that type of language without concrete facts does nothing beneficial for r28 owners. TEXASGED had to chime in and be cute and you come in offering nothing either. Interestingly because I remember your last posts talking about how shady it was for the new forum vendor to scoop up the last of the vehicles only seeing the negative and not positive aspects. Mr Smith I'd like to introduce you to a kettle over yonder.
prpaster
10-13-2016, 08:02 PM
Yea. Since precedent setting is so critical. All claim denials for totally unrelated mods across their products might indeed be tied together. The wrongful death case for Yelchin, with his earning potential, I'm sure is huge. Nothing hurts your bottom line more than having an up and coming celebrity movie star die from a product defect.
May he RIP, crush asphyxiation. Sad. Was a fan of his work from his early days and Star Trek, that's why I was interested in the follow up. And was amazed at what I read.
Funny thing is my 14 Ram would do this shit all the time . it would be in my driveway i would go inside come back and it would be half way down when i returned. just crazy more people didnt get hurt by this issue .
351carlo
10-13-2016, 09:36 PM
I came with a question as to why some insist on using language that hinders quite a few people who have r28 vehicles. There's no evidence that they have a "very high probability of blowing up" compared to other cars. But that type of language without concrete facts does nothing beneficial for r28 owners. TEXASGED had to chime in and be cute and you come in offering nothing either. Interestingly because I remember your last posts talking about how shady it was for the new forum vendor to scoop up the last of the vehicles only seeing the negative and not positive aspects. Mr Smith I'd like to introduce you to a kettle over yonder.
You want to know why a guy thinks a car that has been recalled for excess engine oil contamination has a higher probability of engine failure than other cars that don't fall under that recall?
I would think FCA confirmed they have data that shows there's a higher probability of engine complications when they issued a recall. It's not like they threw darts at a board of VINs and decided what to issue recalls on. How is his commenting on that "hindering" you in any way?
Terminator02
10-14-2016, 10:31 AM
You want to know why a guy thinks a car that has been recalled for excess engine oil contamination has a higher probability of engine failure than other cars that don't fall under that recall?
I would think FCA confirmed they have data that shows there's a higher probability of engine complications when they issued a recall. It's not like they threw darts at a board of VINs and decided what to issue recalls on. How is his commenting on that "hindering" you in any way?
Typical non owner speak. My bone of contention is that some people speak out of their ass regarding these issues and it confuses the whole issue. Examples of facts are that r29 is a recall attempting to address oil consumption and r28 was to identify possible block contamination. Were these issues fixed from the recalls? We don't know to what extent. We have data that show people passing one or both recalls have still spun a bearing. If someone says there's a much higher probability of blowing an engine then it needs to have oroof and frankly that proof is not there. At best, there is another risk factor which may make engine failure more likely. Now that's a fair statement. An r28 owner may not consume a drop of oil and have no debris and an r29 owner or one with no recalls may spin a bearing on a track day due to running on low oil. Comprende?
texasram
10-14-2016, 12:10 PM
Funny thing is my 14 Ram would do this shit all the time . it would be in my driveway i would go inside come back and it would be half way down when i returned. just crazy more people didnt get hurt by this issue .
so its happening with the rotary shifters to? thought was xclusive to T handle center console shifters
Policy Limits
10-15-2016, 02:26 PM
Check your mail box. Boom. And pow!
Check your mail box. Boom. And pow!
Policy Limits,
Is your car R28, R29 or both?
Terminator02
10-15-2016, 02:44 PM
Check your mail box. Boom. And pow!
congrats. I got my letter yesterday but there's no getting around my stage ll lol. I think this really helps r28 stock owners not only for peace of mind but also is a strong selling point if one were to sell. 10 years is a serious deal for such a high performance car. Forget possible engine replacement, it may cover some other issues independent of a bearing issue.
Terminator02
10-15-2016, 02:45 PM
Policy Limits,
Is your car R28, R29 or both?
I believe it's been clarified that r28 is the only qualified at car the moment. R28 cars all have r29.
I believe it's been clarified that r28 is the only qualified at car the moment. R28 cars all have r29.
Wondering if it might expand to R29 as well. Might be easier if folks start listing their list of recalls and oil consumption in their sigs.... :)
swexlin
10-15-2016, 03:09 PM
Haven't received the letter yet, but I was in for service yesterday, and he showed me the update on the printout from the system.
AZTVR
10-15-2016, 03:39 PM
Wondering if it might expand to R29 as well. Might be easier if folks start listing their list of recalls and oil consumption in their sigs.... :)
IMHO, there has been nothing to indicate that r29 has anything to do with engine failures, from all that I have read on the forum.
SuperBird4404BBL
10-15-2016, 04:53 PM
Received my extended 10 year, 100,000 mile power train warranty letter today.
AdairII
10-15-2016, 08:42 PM
Me too -
catwood
10-15-2016, 10:36 PM
Got the letter today myself. :)
VIPERGTSRT10
10-17-2016, 03:35 PM
Just got my letter yesterday, great news!
swexlin
10-17-2016, 05:48 PM
Got my letter today.
98intrigue
10-17-2016, 08:00 PM
I got my letter today and was pumped to see that my R29 only car got the extended warranty!!! Then I looked up at the VIN and noticed it was my old TA. Damnit! Haha
viperr
10-17-2016, 10:30 PM
I also got my warranty extension letter today. I put a lot of miles on my last Viper (109,000) and my 2014 has about 18,000 now. It had 9,000 miles on it in January when I got it.
Got mine this weekend, I'll shoot a note to the new owner. Just chiming in for the record. Mine was a '13 with 28/29 pass, zero oil burning.
BJG32
10-18-2016, 08:38 AM
I am so glad I didn't get one and anyone with an arrow tune should feel the same.
I really feel bad for anyone that was sold on an arrow tune and now has a car FCA admits is sub par on engine reliability. You are now without a warranty the manufacturer says you should have for 10 years to work out the bugs. Arrow mod'd cars will be a very hard sell to an educated buyer and I sense a lot of deception ahead to the uneducated buyers. A lot of owners and future buyers of these cars are going to get screwed on future blown engines. My guess is R28 owners with arrow tunes will be trying to dump their cars before they blow up. The market will be flooded with 13's/14's with stock ecu reinstalled, but skeletons in the closet... I am already seeing the PCM's being sold at a "steal" (but no mention of what an install will do to the warranty). Sellers already preying on the ignorant.
Example below.....
20578
ACRucrazy
10-18-2016, 11:34 AM
I am already seeing the PCM's being sold at a "steal" (but no mention of what an install will do to the warranty). Sellers already preying on the ignorant.
Example below.....
20578
I don't see how someone selling a new PCM for below cost "preying on the ignorant".
Just because you don't want one doesn't mean the PCMs are no good to everyone.
I am so glad I didn't get one and anyone with an arrow tune should feel the same.
I really feel bad for anyone that was sold on an arrow tune and now has a car FCA admits is sub par on engine reliability. You are now without a warranty the manufacturer says you should have for 10 years to work out the bugs. Arrow mod'd cars will be a very hard sell to an educated buyer and I sense a lot of deception ahead to the uneducated buyers. A lot of owners and future buyers of these cars are going to get screwed on future blown engines. My guess is R28 owners with arrow tunes will be trying to dump their cars before they blow up. The market will be flooded with 13's/14's with stock ecu reinstalled, but skeletons in the closet... I am already seeing the PCM's being sold at a "steal" (but no mention of what an install will do to the warranty). Sellers already preying on the ignorant.
Example below.....
20578
The suggestion I would have to anyone buying used is to have a PPI done by a Dodge dealer, if you are interested in warranty.
I would imagine that if the dealers are invalidating warranties, they can also supply something in writing stating a particular car is still under warranty.
I don't see how someone selling a new PCM for below cost "preying on the ignorant".
Just because you don't want one doesn't mean the PCMs are no good to everyone.
I think he meant that given the warranties being voided due to the PCM, that it would probably be good for a seller to let a buyer know they might lose their warranty.
BJG32
10-18-2016, 01:02 PM
I think he meant that given the warranties being voided due to the PCM, that it would probably be good for a seller to let a buyer know they might lose their warranty.
Exactly. My hunch is he heard the news before he installed and now he's selling to try an get as much of his money back as possible. I'd bet the farm he's aware of the the warranty issue. A warning about the warranty would be the right thing to do.... but that's just me. He should go after a refund from the dealer that sold it to him. 100% refund and no further warranties voided.
AZTVR
10-18-2016, 01:15 PM
Exactly. My hunch is he heard the news before he installed and now he's selling to try an get as much of his money back as possible. I'd bet the farm he's aware of the the warranty issue. A warning about the warranty would be the right thing to do.... but that's just me. He should go after a refund from the dealer that sold it to him. 100% refund and no further warranties voided.
So I assume that you found out that he has not warned the person who was buying that from him. Or, are you saying that he should have the warning in his internet ad?
"I confirmed mine does not have it. Makes sense since I was only issued r29, not r28 so not in contamination range"
Cringeworthy. You have stated in one page of comments the same thing 3 different ways. The entire forum and possibly Prius forums know you are happy with just having r29 as you specifically sought it out. You also belabor this delusional belief that r28 cars have a "much higher probability to blow." Explain with alacrity that point please as you mention probability in a very high range over and over.
Lol. You're a funny guy. All the data suggests that the r28 are at a higher risk. We can speculate all day long but I am just going off the patterns I am seeing. I ran a lot of VINs and the fact FCA is selecting r28 cars only to warranty further supports the theory. Do I know for sure? Hell no. I state my opinion just like you or anyone else on this forum. Don't be a dick about it and tell me that I can't state my opinions. You know how many times you have repeated the same shit in your long ass posts?
So I assume that you found out that he has not warned the person who was buying that from him. Or, are you saying that he should have the warning in his internet ad?
I don't see viper exchange changing their internet ad on the race controller to spell out it voids your warranty ... so maybe the seller is waiting on them first and then use their warning.
Agree, maybe the person is warning verbally, maybe it's caveat emptor, like it was for all other buyers. Calling him out for judgement without details, seems pretty lame.
I'm still not buying it that 13/14 cars or R28 cars are some larger problem. I think at absolute best, and to me it's a stretch, the washing station took care of some free debris. And what we're seeing now is engines still going, but delayed as debris is working it's way loose and thru to a fouling point. With ACRs still spinning bearings, IMHO, all engines, all years are at equal risk. We'll never know the answer, FCA will make sure of it. I'm still waiting on the 1st 17 to happen, that happens and ... game over man, game over. pfft.
BJG32
10-18-2016, 01:52 PM
So I assume that you found out that he has not warned the person who was buying that from him. Or, are you saying that he should have the warning in his internet ad?
Yes I am assuming that months down the road when he finally finds the owner who doesn't know about the warranty voiding issue he will likely not ruin his sale with a warning right before he collects payment. Yes, I personally feel a warning in the ad is the right thing to do.
I also feel that the dealers selling the PCM should make sure there buyers are informed before purchase. I am assuming they are doing this. It would be awesome if they updated their ads online with the same information. It will increase the chances of somebody buying one from a sneaky owner to have the information before they purchase/install.
As far as calling him out and being lame. I purposely left his name off the ad. Nobody is calling anyone out...just an example of a few ads I have seen.
ACRucrazy
10-18-2016, 04:55 PM
I think he meant that given the warranties being voided due to the PCM, that it would probably be good for a seller to let a buyer know they might lose their warranty.
It's not the sellers job to inform the buyer what may or may not happen to warranty on the buyers vehicle. Especially on a 2nd hand aftermarket performance parts.
It's not the sellers job to inform the buyer what may or may not happen to warranty on the buyers vehicle. Especially on a 2nd hand aftermarket performance parts.
I'd agree with that. Wonder what (if any) PPI Dodge could do to a car to determine warranty status. It would clear up any worries on the buyer's side.
IANAL, but I've also wondered if telling a buyer the car has a warranty when it would not be honored would constitute fraud? Again, IANAL.
Terminator02
10-18-2016, 06:11 PM
Lol. You're a funny guy. All the data suggests that the r28 are at a higher risk. We can speculate all day long but I am just going off the patterns I am seeing. I ran a lot of VINs and the fact FCA is selecting r28 cars only to warranty further supports the theory. Do I know for sure? Hell no. I state my opinion just like you or anyone else on this forum. Don't be a dick about it and tell me that I can't state my opinions. You know how many times you have repeated the same shit in your long ass posts?
1. Where do I state you cannot state your opinions?
2. You are right it is about being probability but the way you word it sounds ridiculous. R28 May have a higher probability. You nor I have no conclusive reason to KNOW why FCA extended R28. There could be reasons to point to the contrary as the bean counters have already crunched some serious numbers. I would say R28 may have a higher probability.
3. Zee you do belabor your point over and over why you got an r29 car, why you love orange , how much money you made by studying market trends, and why your thinking is "right" very often. You have gone to other people's new car posts and asked why they didn't go "orange" why they didnt get the six hood vent, etc. You did it when I posted that I got my black 15 GT and to many others. I find you obnoxious but I never say you can't "state your point." I'll leave it at that and for you to have your much needed last words...
1. Where do I state you cannot state your opinions?
2. You are right it is about being probability but the way you word it sounds ridiculous. R28 May have a higher probability. You nor I have no conclusive reason to KNOW why FCA extended R28. There could be reasons to point to the contrary as the bean counters have already crunched some serious numbers. I would say R28 may have a higher probability.
3. Zee you do belabor your point over and over why you got an r29 car, why you love orange , how much money you made by studying market trends, and why your thinking is "right" very often. You have gone to other people's new car posts and asked why they didn't go "orange" why they didnt get the six hood vent, etc. You did it when I posted that I got my black 15 GT and to many others. I find you obnoxious but I never say you can't "state your point." I'll leave it at that and for you to have your much needed last words...
I'm not going to get in a back and forth with you. You obviously don't like my take on stuff so stop reading it. I don't need the last word but I don't appreciate you trying to belittle my points/opinions.
Terminator02
10-18-2016, 06:36 PM
I'm not going to get in a back and forth with you. You obviously don't like my take on stuff so stop reading it. I don't need the last word but I don't appreciate some dick head trying to belittle my points/opinions.
Zee I said I find you obnoxious but that I never said you can't state your point. Are you that insecure that you have to resort to calling me names? Seriously accept criticism and divergent viewpoints and counter as much as you would like. You already got into a "back and forth." Calling me what you are is simply put; a TOS violation. Play fair or keep quiet.
vipernm
10-18-2016, 07:39 PM
So I was looking at a 2014 GTS online and I shot the dealer (a Dodge dealer in suburban Atlanta) the usual questions including if R28 and R29 had been accomplished. The dealer got back to me and said both had been done and the car checks out.
So how come he's telling me that there is no extended powertrain warranty? I told him I'm not interested and that was that. So exactly what does 'select' 13 and 14's mean? I thought R28 was it. Maybe he's hiding something. Is there a special app (like dealer connect) that a VIN is input into?
AZTVR
10-18-2016, 08:18 PM
So I was looking at a 2014 GTS online and I shot the dealer (a Dodge dealer in suburban Atlanta) the usual questions including if R28 and R29 had been accomplished. The dealer got back to me and said both had been done and the car checks out.
First, you should personally verify whether the car was subject to the r28 recall. https://www.mopar.com/en-us/my-vehicle/recalls.html
Terminator02
10-18-2016, 08:52 PM
So I was looking at a 2014 GTS online and I shot the dealer (a Dodge dealer in suburban Atlanta) the usual questions including if R28 and R29 had been accomplished. The dealer got back to me and said both had been done and the car checks out.
So how come he's telling me that there is no extended powertrain warranty? I told him I'm not interested and that was that. So exactly what does 'select' 13 and 14's mean? I thought R28 was it. Maybe he's hiding something. Is there a special app (like dealer connect) that a VIN is input into?
The way he responded sounds like both recalls were done unless you maybe miswrote. If both recalls were done then you wouldn't be eligible on that car. However if it's r28 only you would be. Don't put it past a dealer to possibly not know the situation. Sadly many just don't understand what's going on withthese vehicles and part of it is the bad fca marketing and dealer education /training. Just inquire further and the forums can help you figure this out. Vin numbers help.
The way he responded sounds like both recalls were done unless you maybe miswrote. If both recalls were done then you wouldn't be eligible on that car. However if it's r28 only you would be. Don't put it past a dealer to possibly not know the situation. Sadly many just don't understand what's going on withthese vehicles and part of it is the bad fca marketing and dealer education /training. Just inquire further and the forums can help you figure this out. Vin numbers help.
Any car that's issued r28 will have r29 issued as well. So if both recalls were done, then the car should get the extended warranty. At least that's what I've seen. This is the first I heard of an r28 car not getting the warranty.
vipernm
10-18-2016, 09:18 PM
First, you should personally verify whether the car was subject to the r28 recall. https://www.mopar.com/en-us/my-vehicle/recalls.html
So all of their 13-14's had both R-28 and R-29 done. I guess I have to re-read this thread - I thought R29 alone is not an extension of warranty, R28 by itself is an extension or R28 & R29 together is. Not clear on the decision rule that is in play.
So all of their 13-14's had both R-28 and R-29 done. I guess I have to re-read this thread - I thought R29 alone is not an extension of warranty, R28 by itself is an extension or R28 & R29 together is. Not clear on the decision rule that is in play.
I have never heard of an r28 only issued car. All 2015 and under G5 vipers have r29, with a select amount having r28 as well due to possible contamination issue.
Terminator02
10-18-2016, 09:30 PM
Any car that's issued r28 will have r29 issued as well. So if both recalls were done, then the car should get the extended warranty. At least that's what I've seen. This is the first I heard of an r28 car not getting the warranty.
Yup that's correct I misspoke.
AZTVR
10-18-2016, 09:38 PM
So all of their 13-14's had both R-28 and R-29 done. I guess I have to re-read this thread - I thought R29 alone is not an extension of warranty, R28 by itself is an extension or R28 & R29 together is. Not clear on the decision rule that is in play.
Not all 13's and 14's were subject to the r28 recall. Only certain VINs were selected through a process that was not made public by FCA, and is a matter of conjecture here. The selection process for which cars have been chosen for the 10 year , 100,000 mile extension has not been made public either. Up to this point, only cars that were subject to r28 have been identified as getting the extension. This has been reported by quite a number of people here and on the VOA facebook page.
vipernm
10-18-2016, 10:57 PM
Not all 13's and 14's were subject to the r28 recall. Only certain VINs were selected through a process that was not made public by FCA, and is a matter of conjecture here. The selection process for which cars have been chosen for the 10 year , 100,000 mile extension has not been made public either. Up to this point, only cars that were subject to r28 have been identified as getting the extension. This has been reported by quite a number of people here and on the VOA facebook page.
Got it - clear as mud! The lack of transparency is astounding but not surprising at this point.
Cars subject to r28 does not => extension. The converse appears to be true though.
Thanks for the information.
swexlin
10-19-2016, 06:21 AM
Any car that's issued r28 will have r29 issued as well. So if both recalls were done, then the car should get the extended warranty. At least that's what I've seen. This is the first I heard of an r28 car not getting the warranty.
I was about to post the same thing.
AZTVR
10-19-2016, 09:04 AM
Cars subject to r28 does not => extension. The converse appears to be true though. I don't know what you mean by "Cars subject to r28 does not => extension."
Up until your first post above, the internet chatter has led us to believe that all cars subject to r28 will have the extension. We would like to confirm the information that you posted. If you can post the VIN of the vehicle, or PM it, or a link to the ad, we can then confirm it. We suspect that there was probably a misunderstanding somewhere in the process that got you the info that you posted. (I looked and couldn't see any 2014 GTS listed for sale in the Atlanta area; so, I could not confirm it myself.)
BJG32
10-19-2016, 10:22 AM
It's not the sellers job to inform the buyer what may or may not happen to warranty on the buyers vehicle. Especially on a 2nd hand aftermarket performance parts.
Yep it's not the seller's job, but it's the right thing to do. If you can sell a PCM to an unsuspecting buyer and not feel bad, great. I wouldn't do it without warning them. I have stronger ethics than you. Debate over.
ACRucrazy
10-19-2016, 10:30 AM
Yep it's not the seller's job, but it's the right thing to do. If you can sell a PCM to an unsuspecting buyer and not feel bad, great. I wouldn't do it without warning them. I have stronger ethics than you. Debate over.
"Unsuspecting buyer"
https://media.giphy.com/media/QgixZj4y3TwnS/giphy.gif
BJG32
10-19-2016, 10:50 AM
"Unsuspecting buyer"
https://media.giphy.com/media/QgixZj4y3TwnS/giphy.gif
If you do all your chores, someday you can own more then gen 5 wheels and have a reason to be here.
ViperPete
10-19-2016, 10:59 AM
Got the letter yesterday.
What an awesome thing FCA did. I am so incredibly pleased.
10yr 100k. So so cool.
For what it's worth... I couldn't sell a known problem either...and I've been in the car business for 12 years and sold many personal vehicles on the side.
Aftermarket or not, its not "buyer beware", do the right thing.
ACRucrazy
10-19-2016, 11:00 AM
If you do all your chores, someday you can own more then gen 5 wheels and have a reason to be here.
*Than
Dr.Ron
10-19-2016, 12:17 PM
Got it - clear as mud! The lack of transparency is astounding but not surprising at this point.
Cars subject to r28 does not => extension. The converse appears to be true though.
Thanks for the information.
I believe......R29 only doesn't =extension.
R28 & R29= extension.
I got my extension letter a few days ago.
My car also passed R28 about a month ago. In the "Post your Blackstone oil results" thread, I also posted my results and Blackstone said the oil looked great!
I'm still going to watch for oil consumption though.
Ron
vipernm
10-19-2016, 01:11 PM
I don't know what you mean by "Cars subject to r28 does not => extension."
Up until your first post above, the internet chatter has led us to believe that all cars subject to r28 will have the extension. We would like to confirm the information that you posted. If you can post the VIN of the vehicle, or PM it, or a link to the ad, we can then confirm it. We suspect that there was probably a misunderstanding somewhere in the process that got you the info that you posted. (I looked and couldn't see any 2014 GTS listed for sale in the Atlanta area; so, I could not confirm it myself.)
I mean cars that have had r28 does not imply that they will get an extended powertrain warranty. There are 3 SRT Vipers at Palmer Dodge that the salesman claim do not have the extended warranty. Their Vins are as follows:
VIN : 1C3ADEBZ4DV400349
VIN : 1C3ADEBZ8DV100023
VIN : 1C3ADEBZ0DV400557
vipernm
10-19-2016, 01:13 PM
I believe......R29 only doesn't =extension.
R28 & R29= extension.
I got my extension letter a few days ago.
My car also passed R28 about a month ago. In the "Post your B oil results" thread, I also posted my results and Blackstone said the oil looked great!
I'm still going to watch for oil consumption though.
Ron
All 3 SRT's have had both.
darbgnik
10-19-2016, 08:12 PM
*Than
Hahahahahahahaha. That's funny, right thar!
donk_316
10-20-2016, 02:20 AM
So Canadian powertrain warranty is 3yrs/60,000kms and now they are giving some Vipers a 10yr/160,000km warranty??
BJG32
10-20-2016, 08:31 AM
Hahahahahahahaha. That's funny, right thar!
Well, he almost nailed it, but his "T" should be lowercase.
Now if you think that was funny, here's a joke for you
"Poopoo peepee face!"
ACRucrazy
10-20-2016, 10:54 AM
Well, he almost nailed it, but his "T" should be lowercase.
Now if you think that was funny, here's a joke for you
"Poopoo peepee face!"
http://www.gifbin.com/bin/012014/1391200819_movie_character_faceoff.gif
GasGas
11-01-2016, 07:07 PM
So Canadian powertrain warranty is 3yrs/60,000kms and now they are giving some Vipers a 10yr/160,000km warranty??
10yr/160,000km is official today and as with the US, letters will be going out to R28 owners only. There are provisions in the letter for the possible reimbursement of owner paid powertrain related repairs.
texasram
11-02-2016, 09:23 AM
What is the issue with not extending the warranty on ALL of the cars for these years if they think the r29 only cars are safe then they wont have to take a hit on a high failure rate down the line, i would be saying the same if i had the 10/100k
AZTVR
11-05-2016, 03:50 PM
I mean cars that have had r28 does not imply that they will get an extended powertrain warranty. There are 3 SRT Vipers at Palmer Dodge that the salesman claim do not have the extended warranty. Their Vins are as follows:
VIN : 1C3ADEBZ4DV400349
VIN : 1C3ADEBZ8DV100023
VIN : 1C3ADEBZ0DV400557
I asked someone who has access to the information, and they confirmed that the three VINs that you listed above are subject to the r28 recall and they also have the extended 10 year 100,000 mile powertrain warranty.
vipernm
11-06-2016, 05:50 PM
I asked someone who has access to the information, and they confirmed that the three VINs that you listed above are subject to the r28 recall and they also have the extended 10 year 100,000 mile powertrain warranty.
I guess dealerships should train their own folks so that they can provide potential customers with accurate information. Geez!
I guess I should have called Eddie Martin over at Airpark.
Thanks for chasing this down ... still looking
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