No more ACRs

[99RT10]

Heard a nasty rumor that the ACRs can not be order anymore. Anybody know if this is true? I sent Bill P a PM, anyone know for sure?

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Heard this was true as well.

[ACRucrazy]

Following...

[Martin2000GTS]

I tried to order mine today and could not get it. I want to die.

[Martin]

I got the call from my concierge, and he hinted that I ordered just in time. Not sure if he knew anything or not - but he said the sold orders, along with the special editions, are unprecedented. He couldn't even give me a "rough" estimate of when the car might be done except to say "it might be as far out as this time next year, I just can't say."

If the rumor is true, the units sitting in dealer showrooms will be gone pretty quick...

[donk_316]

There are like 600 of the damn things. Call one of the big 3 dealers and buy one off the lot

[EZ 2B Green]

Sorry to hear that Martin. I know you had a great custom ACR build in mind. :(

[Martin2000GTS]

There are like 600 of the damn things. Call one of the big 3 dealers and buy one off the lot

Wanted that 1 of 1 man....... So upset right now

[Martin2000GTS]

It took me along time to get financing cause I'm newly self employed, got approved last night, got bank check this morning for deposit, went to dealer around 4pm to finish up the order and the computer system wouldn't let us order the car. We figured it was a glitch in the system and made an appointment to finish up Monday morning. Clearly that's not gonna happen. Seriously what are the chances .......what a shitty feeling... Fuck

[Dman]

There are like 600 of the damn things. Call one of the big 3 dealers and buy one off the lot

LoL, for real.

[Martin]

It took me along time to get financing cause I'm newly self employed, got approved last night, got bank check this morning for deposit, went to dealer around 4pm to finish up the order and the computer system wouldn't let us order the car. We figured it was a glitch in the system and made an appointment to finish up Monday morning. Clearly that's not gonna happen. Seriously what are the chances .......what a shitty feeling... Fuck

It might just be a computer glitch - when I was ordering mine, the system was acting up like you wouldn't believe. Dealer had to use two different systems to order the car, and the process failed a number of times before it finally took - and it never really "took" quite right. My hope is that it's just their FUBAR ordering system that is all screwed up.

[Rapidrezults]

Yup, heard this as well. The question is, will it be temporary or permanent?

[Mbccenter]

Heard this as well. I think it might be all Vipers?

[darbgnik]

From can't sell enough, to can't make enough. No happy medium apparently.


Funny, I remember hearing experts saying the assembly line was capable of many times the number of cars it was producing, seems to not really be the case after all. Can't order an SRT already, surprising that you can't order an ACR, but not out of the realm of possibility I suppose?

[Martin]

From can't sell enough, to can't make enough. No happy medium apparently.


Funny, I remember hearing experts saying the assembly line was capable of many times the number of cars it was producing, seems to not really be the case after all. Can't order an SRT already, surprising that you can't order an ACR, but not out of the realm of possibility I suppose?

If it is true, it may be a parts supplier issue. They probably have to contract for a certain number of items in order to know that they have enough to get through the production run, and also have enough spares for later. They might have gotten into a situation where they just didn't want to commit to the number of units that they'd have to in order to meet demand. If demand looks like it justifies contracting for the parts, they'll open ordering up again. Of course that's just speculation.

[Coloviper]

This FCA company is proving to be a complete cluster F$&K. I mean can they not get their stuff together already. It is End of September 2016 and they are not accepting orders for cars to be built by December 31st, 2017. Come on! This is their only way to recapture their loses. Unbelievable!

[BlueAdder]

If there are some 600 or so on order right now, considering that they can output 3 per day, I would assume that they don't want to keep on building a car that has been declared as EOL beyond late next year. Hopefully it was just a problem with the ordering system but if not, that's pretty sad for those who try to order a one of one.

There were two ACR-E at the dealership where I bought mine and the MSRP was $145K. Chances are that if indeed, one can't order a Viper anymore, those will be gone before long.

[donk_316]

I thought the deadline for the airbag / occupant ejection killing blow was Sept 2016?

I'm sure we discussed this before...

[Martin]

If there are some 600 or so on order right now, considering that they can output 3 per day, I would assume that they don't want to keep on building a car that has been declared as EOL beyond late next year. Hopefully it was just a problem with the ordering system but if not, that's pretty sad for those who try to order a one of one.

There were two ACR-E at the dealership where I bought mine and the MSRP was $145K. Chances are that if indeed, one can't order a Viper anymore, those will be gone before long.

I just sent Paul a note to see if the rumors are true or not. Those cars they have in the showroom are nice - I was actually tempted by the black one with the red stripe. If I didn't go the 1 of 1 route, I would have grabbed that thing for instant gratification.

[Coloviper]

2017 model year production ends on calendar year according to the regulators. Everyone has different model year starts and ends. Believe it has been this way for decades. If it is and they could have built it till the end of the year but chose not to.....well can't fix stupid then.

[John N]

Had a friend successfully order a one-of-one in GTS trim today from VE, so it appears may just be an ACR issue with parts inventory or suppliers. Hope they find some capacity and you all get another chance, I am thanking my lucky stars that I pulled the trigger in July.

[str5010]

It's been covered on here before by the big three dealers - FCA only purchased a certain number of ACR specific parts via supplier contract long before orders grew to the rate they are at now. Even though they can legally build out all the way until nearly a year from now the word was that supplier contributions were already locked in. Frustrating how everything has played out over the last few years.

[EZ 2B Green]

It's been covered on here before by the big three dealers - FCA only purchased a certain number of ACR specific parts via supplier contract long before orders grew to the rate they are at now. Even though they can legally build out all the way until nearly a year from now the word was that supplier contributions were already locked in. Frustrating how everything has played out over the last few years.

This was discussed at Lime Rock with Ben Keating before the race. If only ACR's are suspended from the ordering system, then this is apparently the case.

[Mark1107]

My thread was deleted, but one dealer in North Carolina ordered 90 ACRs and made their own special editions. Go on car gurus and see all 90 of them.

[EZ 2B Green]

My thread was deleted, but one dealer in North Carolina ordered 90 ACRs and made their own special editions. Go on car gurus and see all 90 of them.

I hope that dealer has good financing for their floor plan. That's $10 million dollars worth of Vipers. :eek:

[Doug D]

My wife and I have been putting this off all summer and decided over the week end to order one. Monday we talked to our dealer Paul and said we will order it on Tuesday, anyway I could not get there in time so he said lets meet Thursday. We talk Wed and he said that the orders are done, holy crap. Anyway to make a long story short he had (had) 2 on the showroom, but about 1 hour ago one is now on my driveway!!

[Martin]

Which one did you get? The black, or the gunmetal?

[ACRucrazy]

My thread was deleted, but one dealer in North Carolina ordered 90 ACRs and made their own special editions. Go on car gurus and see all 90 of them.

I heard 135

http://salisburypost.com/2016/09/25/gerry-wood-dealership-orders-135-dodge-vipers-2017-last-year-for-the-iconic-model/

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[Doug D]

Martin,

We bought the gunmetal

[PTP]

I heard 135

http://m.salisburypost.com/2016/09/25/gerry-wood-dealership-orders-135-dodge-vipers-2017-last-year-for-the-iconic-model/

WOW! I wonder how long it will take to sell them all.

[Mark1107]

Gerry is going to be very rich or over leveraged.

[Martin]

Martin,

We bought the gunmetal

That's a nice car!

[Martin]

Gerry is going to be very rich or over leveraged.

The memory is still very vivid in my mind when the last "end of Viper" panic happened. I was annoyed because some of the really nice special edition ACRs were going for $20k off of MSRP because they sat for too long.

[ACRucrazy]

The memory is still very vivid in my mind when the last "end of Viper" panic happened. I was annoyed because some of the really nice special edition ACRs were going for $20k off of MSRP because they sat for too long.Yep

[EZ 2B Green]

Anyone notice that some of the VINs listed at Gerry Wood Dodge seem odd? The last digits seem too high and many are sequential.

[sadil]

Im sure Gerry Wood hasnt even been asigned VINs for all those Vipers and that is likely why they are using bogus VINs. Regardless their "special edition" bs atill makes me laugh. Sucks that they cleaned house and blocked everyone elae from ordering custom!

[VENOM V]

Doug, fantastic, congrats! That is one if the most bad ass ACRs I've seen. Loyde nearly bought it, instead he ordered a red/black extreme with Normandin's last allocation.

Are you taking it to the VOA dinner at Normandin? I'll bring my newly striped ACR

[ViperJon]

The memory is still very vivid in my mind when the last "end of Viper" panic happened. I was annoyed because some of the really nice special edition ACRs were going for $20k off of MSRP because they sat for too long.

If they are truly making this many these will be as well. Only so many people want ACR's not to mention nothing says "special" like a thousand of them hitting the lots late next year. A Gerry Wood special edition should be priceless. :witless:

[ViperSmith]

Snooze you lose.

[Martin]

If they are truly making this many these will be as well. Only so many people want ACR's not to mention nothing says "special" like a thousand of them hitting the lots late next year. A Gerry Wood special edition should be priceless. :witless:

This^^^ And, do we think FCA is going to be sympathetic to the dealers who overdid it and over leveraged their floorplans? It won't shake out like last time where the company offered incentives to help the dealers out - this time it will likely be ugly. Well, if I get a new job by the time those hit the lots and wild discounts start happening, I might just pick up an extra ACR on the cheap. The one I have on order is kind of special to me, so I don't know if I want to beat the piss out of it on the track...

[gatesy21]

Is this true? We can't order an acr now? Any confirmed sources if this is permanent or just temporary?

[Dman]

Martin,

We bought the gunmetal

Congrats, that's an awesome choice. One of my favs. Enjoy!!

[Martin2000GTS]

Im sure Gerry Wood hasnt even been asigned VINs for all those Vipers and that is likely why they are using bogus VINs. Regardless their "special edition" bs atill makes me laugh. Sucks that they cleaned house and blocked everyone elae from ordering custom!

100% agree with this statement. I can only imagine how many people were in my boat just to watch their dream slip away. The worst thing is all those cars he ordered are not custom one of ones from what it looks like. Most likely none of the aCR,s have rear carpeting or 18 speaker stereo. Which is what I wanted

[Martin2000GTS]

Snooze you lose.

Don't really agree with this statement. Cause it's only been 3 months into the ordering process for a 2017...I guess I'm just butt hurt. This really sucks..

[Martin2000GTS]

Is this true? We can't order an acr now? Any confirmed sources if this is permanent or just temporary?

All we know is what's in this thread. Nothing official has been released that I know of . But you definitely can't walk into a dealer today and order one that's for sure

[Martin]

100% agree with this statement. I can only imagine how many people were in my boat just to watch their dream slip away. The worst thing is all those cars he ordered are not custom one of ones from what it looks like. Most likely none of the aCR,s have rear carpeting or 18 speaker stereo. Which is what I wanted

It's definitely a scary thought. Not that I really "needed" a Gen V ACR-E, but after sitting in a chemo chair for eight hours a day, five days a week for months on end, I decided that I would reward myself with the car if I beat the cancer. The minute my blood tests started coming back clean, I tried for days to muster up the strength to get to the dealer and do the deal (without barfing anywhere or passing out when standing up - which was pretty common at that stage of the chemo). I got lucky and got my order in just in time - but if I hadn't, I would be seriously disappointed that I missed the boat. I spent so many hours screwing with the configuration tool on DriveSRT.com that I would be really bummed if the orders were closed when I finally was able to get in there and finalize the order.

Truth be told, I had heard rumors of a cutoff in order acceptance at the end of September, but I thought it was just that - rumors. It was enough for me to get my sick ass down to the dealership and do the deal, though. I'll put that one in the pure luck category because I just as easily could have waited till my CT scans came back totally clean (which they did this week - yay) and I would have been more than butt hurt.

[ACR08]

You could always contact Garry Wood and see if they will sale you one of their slots or change one of their builds to match the exact build you want. Dodge probably doesn't like people to change the build, but I'm sure it can be done. Especially, since they are not even close to actually building some of these cars. As long as your build is unique and hasn't been taken by someone else you should be good to go.

[NT-ACR]

You could always contact Garry Wood and see if they will sale you one of their slots or change one of their builds to match the exact build you want. Dodge probably doesn't like people to change the build, but I'm sure it can be done. Especially, since they are not even close to actually building some of these cars. As long as your build is unique and hasn't been taken by someone else you should be good to go.

This is a great idea! I can't hurt to try.

[Larryskillzs]

It's so random, but we brought our 15' SRT at Garry wood last April.

They treated us like royalty.

A month or two ago I received a text from the sales manager asking if we were interested in trading in our Viper for a 17', because they picked up the rest of the orders on all remaining Vipers. I was shocked to hear this.

I'm going to keep my eye on inventory, but I'm assuming they will sell every last one of the ACR's. If not, maybe around this time next year I'll have an ACR-E in the garage instead, depending on if they will throw incentives on the car. I highly doubt they will have trouble selling these beasts.

[Purple Haze]

You guys are freaking me out I placed a one of one order for a 2017 ACR 10 days ago haven't heard back yet hopefully I'll know something this coming week. James at Concierge said at that time all should be OK...We'll see what my dealer says this week. Hoping!!!

[Stealth78]

It took me along time to get financing cause I'm newly self employed, got approved last night, got bank check this morning for deposit, went to dealer around 4pm to finish up the order and the computer system wouldn't let us order the car. We figured it was a glitch in the system and made an appointment to finish up Monday morning. Clearly that's not gonna happen. Seriously what are the chances .......what a shitty feeling... Fuck

OMG... After all this. Sorry brother, hopefully something will work out for you somehow!

[John N]

By all reports the only apparent impact is that special ordering of an ACR is on hold. There are a lot of dealer cars in the system that are being bought for inventory, so cars will still be easily available from dealer inventories. The loss is the ability to special order, and with so few options on an ACR anyway the biggest impact is likely inability to special order a 1-of-1 color. I bet most buyers will be able to find a car they like from inventory. My second choice would have been a dealer special edition in red, white and blue. Had my 1-of-1 not gone through that was my backup plan.

[Martin]

You guys are freaking me out I placed a one of one order for a 2017 ACR 10 days ago haven't heard back yet hopefully I'll know something this coming week. James at Concierge said at that time all should be OK...We'll see what my dealer says this week. Hoping!!!

If the dealer was able to enter the order and it was accepted, you should be fine. I ordered mine about two weeks ago, and already got a call from Concierge that the car was accepted and a VON was in place. As long as you have that VON, you are good to go.

[Blue T/A 2.0]

Do any dealers actually have 17 ACRs on the lot available for sale?

[Martin]

Do any dealers actually have 17 ACRs on the lot available for sale?

I thought I saw some at Viper Exchange, but can't remember for sure. Honestly, I doubt many have been built yet. All I've seen in person are '16 cars, and all the pictures at the dealership everyone's talking about seem to be the renderings from the DriveSRT site.

For giggles, I configured up a car on DriveSRT just to see if the site was still allowing people to choose the ACR-E options, and sure enough it does. That doesn't say much, because that site is always three months behind reality, but it hints that if demand is good enough, the folks at FCA may contract the additional parts necessary to build more ACRs. They definitely have the capacity to build more, but I doubt they have enough materials to get them all done at this point in time. Things like the wing aren't easy to do, and I'll bet that's one of the limiting factors.

[ClayR]

You guys have every right to be mad. The 1 of 1 program was not for dealers to order one for their lot. They were suppose to be for people customizing the car. When I ordered mine they specifically asked if it was my personal or for the dealership because, "1 of 1 isn't suppose to be for stock unit. It's really no surprise.

[ViperSmith]

You guys have every right to be mad. The 1 of 1 program was not for dealers to order one for their lot. They were suppose to be for people customizing the car. When I ordered mine they specifically asked if it was my personal or for the dealership because, "1 of 1 isn't suppose to be for stock unit. It's really no surprise.

Dodge doesn't care In the end. They sold all the parts they needed so they are happy.

Well be seeing this dealer having a fire sale in 2018, so no big deal if you want to wait.

[Dman]

Do any dealers actually have 17 ACRs on the lot available for sale?

Yep. Already marked down $10k also. I've yet to see an ACR in person, so I'm going to check one out locally that's reduced, an ACR-E, 2017.

[dewilmoth]

Yep. Already marked down $10k also. I've yet to see an ACR in person, so I'm going to check one out locally that's reduced, an ACR-E, 2017.

How's it optioned. I've only come across deals on what I'd consider poorly optioned cars, so that's why I'm curious. I'm guessing it isn't a GTC?

[uberpube]

You guys have every right to be mad. The 1 of 1 program was not for dealers to order one for their lot. They were suppose to be for people customizing the car. When I ordered mine they specifically asked if it was my personal or for the dealership because, "1 of 1 isn't suppose to be for stock unit. It's really no surprise.

Same with the Special editions, on the order screen, it says at the top "sold orders only"..

[ViperJon]

Yep. Already marked down $10k also. I've yet to see an ACR in person, so I'm going to check one out locally that's reduced, an ACR-E, 2017.

Please post a link to a dealer offering 10K off MSRP on '17's and has them in stock.

[SRZ]

Can still order 1:1 on non ACR models per the dealer I contacted this am.

[SRT_BluByU]

I think they're having a tough time producing the ACR hoods...

[commandomatt]

So people are surprised about the ACR not being available to order ?

Well over a month ago there was plenty of talk and mentioning (even from our big dealers) that production would most likely come to an end before to long. While no specific dates were set, it was known that only so many cars can and will be built. So if someone missed the boat, that is very unfortunate but there has definitely been a heads up that if you want one....you better get your shit together and order it

If an F car is offered at a limited run....they may sell out in days, even hours. Apparently the 350R is hard to get. Most, if not all at this time, of the Final Edition Vipers have been sold. Plenty more limited production cars that sell out quickly since people know to jump on them if they want one

2017 as a production year has nothing to do with it. They can only build so many ACR's and that's it. How is this hard to figure out and understand ?

Personally I do not think any dealers will get stuck with these cars. As long as I have been involved with Vipers, there has never been as much interest in a single model as with the Gen V ACR.

[Mark1107]

Im glad i got my ACR E at a 20k discount.

[ViperJon]

Im glad i got my ACR E at a 20k discount.

You bought a used ACR-E not a brand new one. Big difference.

[dewilmoth]

You bought a used ACR-E not a brand new one. Big difference.

The big difference is that he'll probably drive the car for free or close to it for a long time.

[Mark1107]

You bought a used ACR-E not a brand new one. Big difference.

Yep used at 500 miles never tracked mint condition, window sticker still in the window all aero still wrapped in plastic. That 500 miles was worth $20,000!

Lol.

[ViperJon]

The big difference is that he'll probably drive the car for free or close to it for a long time.

Maybe....maybe not. But stating you got 20K off on an ACR-E when the discussion is about NEW cars and yours is second hand is disingenuous.
Used cars are not being discussed.

[Mark1107]

Maybe....maybe not. But stating you got 20K off on an ACR-E when the discussion is about NEW cars and yours is second hand is disingenuous.
Used cars are not being discussed.



Your cracking me up VJ , butt hurt much?

[Purple Haze]

We entered the order but waiting to hear if it was accepted as a one of one about 10 days ago. Anyway I just got some more data just now directly from my friend who met with the plant manager this week...He said all 2017s must be shipped out by August 17th, 2017!!! New orders will be stopped very soon he said. Still crossing my fingers...

[Martin2000GTS]

Your cracking me up VJ , butt hurt much?

No offence man, but its a shitty situation for us, and your bragging about such a great deal doesn't really put a smile on peoples faces. But congrats on your purchase.

[ACRucrazy]

So people are surprised about the ACR not being available to order ?

Well over a month ago there was plenty of talk and mentioning (even from our big dealers) that production would most likely come to an end before to long. While no specific dates were set, it was known that only so many cars can and will be built. So if someone missed the boat, that is very unfortunate but there has definitely been a heads up that if you want one....you better get your shit together and order it

If an F car is offered at a limited run....they may sell out in days, even hours. Apparently the 350R is hard to get. Most, if not all at this time, of the Final Edition Vipers have been sold. Plenty more limited production cars that sell out quickly since people know to jump on them if they want one

2017 as a production year has nothing to do with it. They can only build so many ACR's and that's it. How is this hard to figure out and understand ?

Personally I do not think any dealers will get stuck with these cars. As long as I have been involved with Vipers, there has never been as much interest in a single model as with the Gen V ACR.

I tend to agree. Knowing 2017 was the last year, I knew I wanted a '17 model and was planning on ordering one in early 2017 for late 2017 pickup. However the writing was on the wall from what I was seeing. Dealers were hinting. Articles were discussing. Questions were being asking and replied to quite a bit over the last month or two. Because of this I decided to make the move before the end of '16. Everything I was seeing was saying the 2017 models would be "sold out" before the end of the year.


We entered the order but waiting to hear if it was accepted as a one of one about 10 days ago. Anyway I just got some more data just now directly from my friend who met with the plant manager this week...He said all 2017s must be shipped out by August 17th, 2017!!! New orders will be stopped very soon he said. Still crossing my fingers...

I kept hearing Aug 2017 also. It's surprising to me to finish early, but I think it's because of the union contract with the plant?

Just keeping an ear to the ground over the last year there has been enough to hint it's been coming..

http://www.allpar.com/news/2016/06/confirmed-new-special-edition-vipers-to-be-the-last-32000


No photos have been released yet. The last Viper is, according to a reliable source — unconfirmed by Dodge — scheduled to roll off the line in late August 2017.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTtBL7ZauYU&feature=youtu.be&t=48

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/9779-Viper-production-coming-to-an-end-in-August-of-2017!!!

[Track Pack]

With no more ACRs to be ordered, I wonder if we will see an increase in the # of TA2.0 packages, as the next closest step-brother?

[ACRucrazy]

With no more ACRs to be ordered, I wonder if we will see an increase in the # of TA2.0 packages, as the next closest step-brother?

Is that like settling for the not as sexy, older sister?




















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[CarolinaViper]

2017 model year production ends on calendar year according to the regulators. Everyone has different model year starts and ends. Believe it has been this way for decades. If it is and they could have built it till the end of the year but chose not to.....well can't fix stupid then.

The date for final phase in for side air bag (Ejection Mitigation) was decided way back in 2011 and finalized in 2013. If you want to read the entire article click on the link and then go to "Table 5—Final Rule Lead Times and Phase-In Schedule" interesting reading.

Might be why the Plant Manager at CAAP said all Vipers have to be finished my mid-August,

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2013/09/09/2013-21605/federal-motor-vehicle-safety-standards-ejection-mitigation

Table 5—Final Rule Lead Times and Phase-In Schedule

For vehicles manufactured on or after the first date and before the second date The number of vehicles certified to FMVSS No. 226 shall be not less than this percent of the manufacturer's annual production of vehicles May credits be used?
On or after September 1, 2013; before September 1, 2014 25 percent Yes.
On or after September 1, 2014; before September 1, 2015 50 percent Yes.
On or after September 1, 2015; before September 1, 2016 75 percent Yes.
On or after September 1, 2016; before September 1, 2017 100 percent Yes.
On or after September 1, 2017 All vehicles, without use of credits No.

[ACR08]

Im glad i got my ACR E at a 20k discount.

I think it's awesome you picked up a used ACR. I saw the car for sale and definitely thought about it. Good for you. However, it's misleading to say you got a 20k discount. People are going to think you got 20k off a new ACR and wonder why they can't get the same. It's important to give all the info.

[BJG32]

I think it's awesome you picked up a used ACR. I saw the car for sale and definitely thought about it. Good for you. However, it's misleading to say you got a 20k discount. People are going to think you got 20k off a new ACR and wonder why they can't get the same. It's important to give all the info.

He bought from someone who used a $15k coupon on an marked down car. The original owner even made money on the deal. Everyone won!

[ACR08]

You guys have every right to be mad. The 1 of 1 program was not for dealers to order one for their lot. They were suppose to be for people customizing the car. When I ordered mine they specifically asked if it was my personal or for the dealership because, "1 of 1 isn't suppose to be for stock unit. It's really no surprise.

I agree. I think the 1 of 1 should be for the actual owner of the car. If this rumor is true, it will be too bad if someone misses out on being able to build a car they want. That being said there were signs the ACR was going to sale out and maybe even all the Vipers. We all know it's a finite product.

Also, it is a free market and if one dealer wants to buy a bunch of them that's his right and you can't blame dodge for selling them to him instead of waiting for more buyers to order 1 of 1s on their own.

[ViperJon]

I think it's awesome you picked up a used ACR. I saw the car for sale and definitely thought about it. Good for you. However, it's misleading to say you got a 20k discount. People are going to think you got 20k off a new ACR and wonder why they can't get the same. It's important to give all the info.

Exactly my point.

[ACR08]

I think they're having a tough time producing the ACR hoods...

If that is the case can you still get an ACR (just not the ACR-E) since it shares the same hood as the SRT and TA models?

[dewilmoth]

He bought from someone who used a $15k coupon on an marked down car. The original owner even made money on the deal. Everyone won!

There has been at least one other ACR sale at quite a bit better "discount" to MSRP than Mark1107. But it was also a used car, so not relevant to this discussion. My point is the deals are out there, they are just few and far between.

[Special Ed]

With no more ACRs to be ordered, I wonder if we will see an increase in the # of TA2.0 packages, as the next closest step-brother?

I was led to believe that TA packages would not be available in 2017, only TA group on a GTC.

[SRT_BluByU]

If that is the case can you still get an ACR (just not the ACR-E) since it shares the same hood as the SRT and TA models?

good question.. anyone confirm?

[MK2_Viper]

I was going to order an Orange TA , worked out the configurator just last week and was planning on ordering it in the coming weeks , I just checked now and that option is gone .
I won't lose any sleep over it but it boggles my mind that they have chosen to limit themselves instead of trying to sell as many as possible and recoup some of their money especially on a package .

[MK2_Viper]

With no more ACRs to be ordered, I wonder if we will see an increase in the # of TA2.0 packages, as the next closest step-brother?

The option is no longer on configurator , it was there a few days ago but not today .

[CarolinaViper]

If that is the case can you still get an ACR (just not the ACR-E) since it shares the same hood as the SRT and TA models?

That might be the reason they quite selling the SRT...used those hoods for the 300 plus ACRs they planned on building.

[drivingdutchman]

Well that sucks if this is all true. I was in the middle of choosing colors for mine. If they sold out of ACR's because a dealer decided to stockpile them at the last minute, that's seriously ridiculous and extremely disappointing. Hopefully we hear that they are going to re-open the order books, otherwise I'll just wait. Lots of cool cars new and used at the $150k price point.

[SRT_BluByU]

That might be the reason they quite selling the SRT...used those hoods for the 300 plus ACRs they planned on building.

my understanding is the have (had) only three molds for the hoods. 1 SRT style and 2 GTS style. take rates ended up the opposite of what they expected. i thi k they ended up making another SRT style mould with the into of the ACR but cant confirm

[sadil]

The SRT hoods seem to have the ACR cutout lined out in the hood.

[Ludington1]

Can anyone comment on how dealer allocations work? Can a single dealer really order 100+ ACRs like is being said? I know Bill P even stated here that Woodhouse didn't participate in the Dealer Edition because of not wanting to burn their allocation on a fixed model.

Darren

[SharpMan]

For what it's worth. I had an order. Three colour samples from concierge and made a final selection then it was cancelled along with 79 other Canadian orders. So there you go...

[PTP]

For what it's worth. I had an order. Three colour samples from concierge and made a final selection then it was cancelled along with 79 other Canadian orders. So there you go...

That is a lot of cancelled orders. I wonder why they didn't give a heads up.

[Simms]

I sure as hell hope not. Was going to order Monday.

Something seems odd.

[ViperTony]

Well, we have two major dealers here on the forums. I'm certain they can clarify the rumor.

[Vprbite]

Is that like settling for the not as sexy, older sister?




















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Hey, don't count out the older sister. You can usually do filthy, dirty stuff with her cause she is so happy for the attention. Especially with the younger sister getting all the attention. I'll take that older sister any day ; )

[bigmacsmallfries]

For what it's worth. I had an order. Three colour samples from concierge and made a final selection then it was cancelled along with 79 other Canadian orders. So there you go...

Hey, any idea what was cancelled? I ordered a special edition model and even got my VIN assigned, I'm from Toronto. Do you know what got cancelled exactly? Are any 2017 coming to Canada? wtf is up with this?

[SilveRT8]

Stopped by my Montreal dealer in August an 2017 Viper ordering was not open yet, went back on Friday and still Viper ordering does not show up on their screen.
He called the zone and they said Viper orders for 2017 was still not open in Canada, at this time.

[donk_316]

Canada orders were cancelled as previously mentioned. Call Dave Pozzobon at Ontario Chrysler for more details.

[jkviper]

Can anyone comment on how dealer allocations work? Can a single dealer really order 100+ ACRs like is being said? I know Bill P even stated here that Woodhouse didn't participate in the Dealer Edition because of not wanting to burn their allocation on a fixed model.

Darren

I remember in 2010 ViperExchange loaded up on inventory when the car was first discontinued. Perhaps they are at it again. Just sad to see these cars end production, they are so unique.

[canadian viper]

Hey, any idea what was cancelled? I ordered a special edition model and even got my VIN assigned, I'm from Toronto. Do you know what got cancelled exactly? Are any 2017 coming to Canada? wtf is up with this?

you will get your car.........................unless the plant burns down.

[Martin]

Kinda strange that we're not hearing anything back from the dealers - but maybe they're a bit in the dark on this. I sent a note via my one-of-one portal asking what was up, and haven't heard anything back yet. But, it was after hours that I sent it, so probably won't get a response till Monday. I would be seriously bummed if they cancelled my order... At this point, I think I'm in the clear because the order was accepted and I had the intro chat with the concierge (and got issued my portal log-in), but you never know with these things. Hopefully it all works out for everyone, or the Viper will go out leaving a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

[Murpowa]

This whole thing is crazy. First they can't sell enough, now they sold too many. Any updates from the dealers on here? *taps mic*

[ViperGeorge]

If you go to Gerry Wood Dodge's website in North Carolina they are showing 12 pages of Vipers. Many in custom colors. They are showing several pages of ACRs too. Looks like he did in fact order 135 Vipers. Crazy.

[ViperDC]

Where are the dealers? Usually in every thread like stink on shit but we have one that matters with a bunch of confused people and...nothing

[bigmacsmallfries]

- - - Updated - - -


you will get your car.........................unless the plant burns down.

Thanks, I appreciate you commenting. My dealer also said that this shouldn't affect us since we have VINs already. )))

[Martin2000GTS]

Where are the dealers? Usually in every thread like stink on shit but we have one that matters with a bunch of confused people and...nothing

probably because nothing is 100% solid, so they don't want to comment until they figure out the real deal. I don't blame them. They have a rep to uphold with our club. If they give wrong info by accident half the people on here will badger them like theres no tomorrow. I'm sure they want to help the buyers and sell some cars. But I'm sure they are getting their ducks in a row first.

[ViperSmith]

And it is the weekend ;)

[Martin2000GTS]

And it is the weekend ;)

good point.....its been the longest weekend of my life lol

[Mark1107]

I called the Gerry Wood dealer hoarding and the mods deleted my thread...this is serious news for viper nation and it's being ignored?

[ACRucrazy]

I called the Gerry Wood dealer hoarding and the mods deleted my thread...this is serious news for viper nation and it's being ignored?

Threads being deleted huh?

[Martin]

I called the Gerry Wood dealer hoarding and the mods deleted my thread...this is serious news for viper nation and it's being ignored?

To some extent, I figure they're making a business move that is high risk and possibly high reward. They could easily get stuck with 50 cars they can't move, though (especially with some of the weirder color combos they picked). My beef with what they did was that they seemed to have abused the GTC program a bit. My understanding was the GTC program was supposed to be for sold orders - although there is no "rule" in place about that (other dealers have ordered non-sold orders via the GTC program, so that opened the door to doing it).

If they had gone and ordered up a ton of stock standard ACRs and ACR-Es, I'd applaud them for being risk takers and possibly putting a bunch of cars out there that make the one-of-one cars more desirable. But, virtually all the cars look like they're GTC cars which chaps my hide a little bit.

[Mark1107]

Threads being deleted huh?

Yes!

[CarolinaViper]

Yes!

Was any reason given for the deletion?

[Mark1107]

Was any reason given for the deletion?

Nope just disappeared....

[CarolinaViper]

Re-post it...The Mods need to give a reason for deleting a post, either in a PM to the originator of the post or in the Forum, so we all can learn what to post and not to post. Also, its hard to believe if its true that a dealership that no one has heard before (and I live in NC) can actually order 100 plus vipers, and yes in my opinion that's hoarding and relevant information to the members.

[Martin]

Something weird going on with the server or this thread? I keep getting a "Forbidden" screen when I try to get to this thread. Makes me think I said something bad and I got sent to the time-out room :)

[ViperJon]

Something weird going on with the server or this thread? I keep getting a "Forbidden" screen when I try to get to this thread. Makes me think I said something bad and I got sent to the time-out room :)

Happens all the time now. Some glitch.

[99RT10]

Threads being deleted huh?

If this is true, the Mods need to do a check on themselves. Do not delete :mad:

[99RT10]

Nope just disappeared....

Re post it and we will all quote you to keep it in sight. :dude3:

[Boba Fett]

threads deleted....no dealer comments....hmmm

we the buying suckers...

[Mark1107]

Martin and Viper Jon I apologize for bragging earlier.

[Mark1107]

I remade my original post. Let's see if it's deleted.

[Boba Fett]

Martin and Viper Jon I apologize for bragging earlier.

Stand up of you. I hope you are enjoying those cars. SRT certainly has put out some fine products in the past few years.

[Martin2000GTS]

Martin and Viper Jon I apologize for bragging earlier.

Its okay we still like you. Viper brother.

[Mark1107]

Its okay we still like you. Viper brother.

Thank you! We all have a love and passion for Viper.

[Larryskillzs]

With all of these orders......

I wonder how it will effect quality control.

It seems like a lot of Vipers were ordered for 2017.

If I recall, didn't all the two hundred something special edition ACR's sell out in the first day.

Then if you add the Gerrywood orders on top of the other big 2 viper dealers with a bunch of custom 1 of 1 orders, I bet they are 700-800 deep in orders.

They might be time and part restricted.

[Martin2000GTS]

Really sucks that so many of the Gerry Wood vipers are just such odd color combinations that I cant see people liking. Most of which wont have the 12 or 18 speaker stereo and interior carpeting.... Jeeze if Dodge knew they were down to 100 left over ACR-E's would have been nice to let them all be 1 of 1's. Would have been nice of them to give the big dealers a heads up, as I am sure between the big 3 dealers there were probably a large amount of people in the process of putting an order together.

I know business is business and they would probably rather sell all the cars and be out, but with that much time left I'm sure the last 100 would have been sold over the next few months no problem to special 1 of 1 customers. sucks big time for all the people that were in the process and just days away from putting in an official order.

[ACR Extreme]

All makes sense.

If I was closing a factory and could completely sell out - order everything needed it would be a no brainer.

Just in time manufacturing having everything delivered right when it's needed is a way of life for factories only way to accomplish that eliminate guess work which is what took place with the limited editions.

Call the dealers Monday morning - it's obviously true you don't see the members / dealers posting guys who are mad or waited it is what it is.

[ViperTony]

Really sucks that so many of the Gerry Wood vipers are just such odd color combinations that I cant see people liking. Most of which wont have the 12 or 18 speaker stereo and interior carpeting.... Jeeze if Dodge knew they were down to 100 left over ACR-E's would have been nice to let them all be 1 of 1's. Would have been nice of them to give the big dealers a heads up, as I am sure between the big 3 dealers there were probably a large amount of people in the process of putting an order together.

I know business is business and they would probably rather sell all the cars and be out, but with that much time left I'm sure the last 100 would have been sold over the next few months no problem to special 1 of 1 customers. sucks big time for all the people that were in the process and just days away from putting in an official order.

I still don't buy it that this dealer was able to get this large allocation. It doesn't smell right. But anyway, the interior carpeting for the trunk and insulation is a DIY if you really want it that bad. Don't fret over that. The 12/18 speaker system....do the Mopar speaker upgrade. Point is, find an ACR-E that you want and add in the speakers after the fact. When you get your ACR, trust me, you won't give a shit about the speakers or trunk carpet. You'll be too busy having a blast in the Viper. Be patient, some dealer somewhere has what you're looking for. Just need to patient and persistent.

Only time will tell if there will be a repeat of dealers sitting on large allocations of 2017's only having to have trouble selling them. This could be a situation whereby those with patience could be rewarded with good deals.

[Pappy]

I would be curious to see how Gerry Wood is going to price the cars. His adds list MSRP, but they are followed with this caveat:

"*MSRP is the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of the vehicle. It does not include any tax, tag, title, dealer added accessories, and administrative fee. Pricing and availability may vary based on a variety of factors, including options, dealer, specials, fees, and financing qualifications. Consult your dealer for actual price and complete details. Vehicles shown may have optional equipment at additional cost. *The estimated selling price that appears after calculating dealer offers is for informational purposes, only. You may not qualify for the offers, incentives, discounts, or financing. Offers, incentives, discounts, or financing are subject to expiration and other restrictions. See dealer for qualifications and complete details. *Images, prices, and options shown, including vehicle color, trim, options, pricing and other specifications are subject to availability, incentive offerings, current pricing and credit worthiness. *In transit means that vehicles have been built, but have not yet arrived at your dealer. Images shown may not necessarily represent identical vehicles in transit to your dealership. See your dealer for actual price, payments and complete details."

I know it is fairly standard wording, but there are a couple of holes you could drive a truck through. Eventually pricing should depend on supply/demand, I guess.

Pappy

[Martin]

I still don't buy it that this dealer was able to get this large allocation. It doesn't smell right.

I agree - and the fact that the VINs look to be rather bogus makes it smell even less right. I might be less suspicious if they listed the VINs as "TBD". It would be hilarious if people called them on that - and demanded to get the car with the specific VIN that they advertised.

They sure are getting a lot of publicity from this stunt, though.

[ViperSmith]

Don't worry about color. When they have 80 left they can't sell in 2018 you can just take your $40,000 in savings and have it painted whatever you want.

[dmann]

I called the Gerry Wood dealer hoarding and the mods deleted my thread...this is serious news for viper nation and it's being ignored?

I agree. I tried to find that post last week and it error'd saying I didn't have permissions to view it. Odd huh. I think it was deleted and not a server error.

[ek1]

A lot of things do not add up with this story. One - as another member had mentioned, that's a huge amount of inventory to have on your floor plan. It would be unusual for FCA to allow an exception for something like this, which means the dealership would have to prepay some of it and we are talking millions here. Two - I was always told that any 1 of 1 order must be a sold order. This in turn makes it theoretically impossible for a dealership to order any 1 of 1 cars. Three - their "special editions" are idiotic and some of the color combinations (like black and gold) are a disaster.

All shall be revealed on Monday by some of the dealers that frequent this forum.

[99RT10]

Don't worry about color. When they have 80 left they can't sell in 2018 you can just take your $40,000 in savings and have it painted whatever you want.

I wish, I think they will sell every last one. :(

[EZ 2B Green]

I did some more digging on the ACR VINs listed on the JW Dodge website. I think they were generated by some VIN calculator because they have a valid check digit (but they are all the same). The check digit (digit 9) is used by the DMV to catch invalid VINs.
The smoking gun is that all the strange looking ACR VINs have "X" as the check digit. This is where whoever generated all these VINs may have inadvertently screwed up. There are 11 possible values for the check digit yet almost every one of their ACRs listed has "X" as the 9th digit. What are the odds of that? There are a couple of low ACR VINs that are actually real VINs but the majority of them are randomly generated. So if the last 6 digits of the VIN are unusually high for a Viper and the 9th digit is an "X", it not a real car just a made up VIN.

I also confirmed with the concierge that 1 of 1's are sold orders only so I don't think it is possible that most cars they have listed are real.

Edit: There is another batch of mysterious VINs where every check digit is a 3. Very unusual.

[Martin2000GTS]

I did some more digging on the ACR VINs listed on the JW Dodge website. I think they were generated by some VIN calculator because they have a valid check digit (but they are all the same). The check digit (digit 9) is used by the DMV to catch invalid VINs.
The smoking gun is that all the strange looking ACR VINs have "X" as the check digit. This is where whoever generated all these VINs may have inadvertently screwed up. There are 11 possible values for the check digit yet almost every one of their ACRs listed has "X" as the 9th digit. What are the odds of that? There are a couple of low ACR VINs that are actually real VINs but the majority of them are randomly generated. So if the last 6 digits of the VIN are unusually high for a Viper and the 9th digit is an "X", it not a real car just a made up VIN.

I also confirmed with the concierge that 1 of 1's are sold orders only so I don't think it is possible that most cars they have listed are real.

Mike are you sure your not a Private Investigator or something lol. nice work

[Martin2000GTS]

I wish, I think they will sell every last one. :(

I think its different this year than in 2009. I can just feel it. I would have no problem waiting till this time next year if I knew I could buy a less than desired color scheme for $20k+ off sticker. Don't see that happening on the gen 5 ACR's though...ehh

[Mbccenter]

I have talked direct with the owner of JW and it is true. Who said he put them on a floor plan? I am sure that he will sell all of the ACR's.

[Simms]

I hate to say this, but it makes me feel like 100+ people just got robbed out of their dream 1 of 1 ACR-E's.

[Policy Limits]

He thinks it will be an instant classic. I still say give it 15 years for the Ford GT effect

[NT-ACR]

He thinks it will be an instant classic. I still say give it 15 years for the Ford GT effect

Whenever the future value of Vipers is discussed, someone always has to mention the Ford GT... every single time without fail! :smilielol:

[ViperJon]

Whenever the future value of Vipers is discussed, someone always has to mention the Ford GT... every single time without fail! :smilielol:

Have to keep those dreams alive. :witless:
You can park one next to the iconic 20 year old B&W which we are still waiting for the skyrocketing return on.
Should be any decade now.

[drivingdutchman]

I hate to say this, but it makes me feel like 100+ people just got robbed out of their dream 1 of 1 ACR-E's.

This x1000. Was in middle of narrowing down awesome color combo. Will contact dealer later today to see what's up.

[Martin]

Have to keep those dreams alive. :witless:
You can park one next to the iconic 20 year old B&W which we are still waiting for the skyrocketing return on.
Should be any decade now.

Tell me about it... I have a pristine '97 B&W with only 7776 miles on it. I'm not driving it because I figure when it hits 7777 miles that will be my lucky day :) People like me are the ones that are keeping the prices of these cars down. There are still too many of them out there. The ones that are driven are still getting crashed pretty frequently - those things definitely earned the Viper reputation for being a car that wants to kill you every time you drive it. I am pretty confident that in a few years, once Viper production is a distant memory, the no-stories cars will skyrocket in value. I'm not selling mine, though - it's got too much sentimental value.

[drivingdutchman]

Tell me about it... I have a pristine '97 B&W with only 7776 miles on it. I'm not driving it because I figure when it hits 7777 miles that will be my lucky day :) People like me are the ones that are keeping the prices of these cars down. There are still too many of them out there. The ones that are driven are still getting crashed pretty frequently - those things definitely earned the Viper reputation for being a car that wants to kill you every time you drive it. I am pretty confident that in a few years, once Viper production is a distant memory, the no-stories cars will skyrocket in value. I'm not selling mine, though - it's got too much sentimental value.

97? It's all about the 96! :witless:

[Martin]

This x1000. Was in middle of narrowing down awesome color combo. Will contact dealer later today to see what's up.

From what I'm hearing from a few people that have orders in that are in the danger zone of being cancelled, the ones where someone recently (like within the four or five weeks) picked a custom color are the ones at highest risk. The extra time it took to pick the custom colors might have messed things up. We'll see what the real story is when someone highly credible chimes in - but from what I'm hearing in the rumor mill, any order that was put in within the last few weeks might be in trouble due to this mess.

God only knows if they'll open the ordering process up again. I think it would take a situation where any dealers who are gaming the one of one system get their orders cancelled. Just doesn't seem right that the one of one system could be used to order large quantities of cars that aren't sold-orders.

[Martin2000GTS]

Might be spreading more rumors here.....but.....My local dealer that I was working with called me this morning, He spoke to James (from the Viper 1 of 1 program) that was helping us with my build last Monday. According to James, my dealer said 95% of what is being said is not true, and they are reassessing the situation and will have more info on Wednesday"......that's it.

Take that for what its worth. I'm not trying to spread rumors, I want my 1 of 1. It just gives me 2 more days of hope of potentially positive information.

I have spoke to a very reputable dealer over the weekend who is convinced its over. I do tend to believe him.....crossing my fingers that the 1 of 1 program will be back shortly....

[Martin]

97? It's all about the 96! :witless:

I know - I wanted a '96, but the orders had closed on those by the time I found a dealer that wasn't marking them up by $20k, so I ended up with a '97. It's actually not that bad of a thing - the '97 had some improvements over the '96, and I'm happy with it.

[Martin]

Heard back from the 1 of 1 concierge, and they assured me that my recently ordered car is "100% definitely going to be built". So, that is a relief... Now, we just need to hear if this order system stoppage is going to get unclogged.

[ACRSNK]

Might be spreading more rumors here.....but.....My local dealer that I was working with called me this morning, He spoke to James (from the Viper 1 of 1 program) that was helping us with my build last Monday. According to James, my dealer said 95% of what is being said is not true, and they are reassessing the situation and will have more info on Wednesday"......that's it.

Take that for what its worth. I'm not trying to spread rumors, I want my 1 of 1. It just gives me 2 more days of hope of potentially positive information.

I have spoke to a very reputable dealer over the weekend who is convinced its over. I do tend to believe him.....crossing my fingers that the 1 of 1 program will be back shortly....

Hopefully some positive news comes out. Keeping my fingers crossed for both of us.

[The_Ruski_Driver]

Not a pro or "expert" here but my opinion is as follows:

It's the end and anyone holding their breath can stop. FCA is axing 4-5 other cars this year and downsizing, it's not just the Viper. If you had the chance to clean out inventory wouldn't you? They don't care about who buys them... look at how they are handling warranty claims. Obv the dealer in question bought it in cash as an investment, and I think it was a smart play. Imagine next year it's the ONLY place you can get a NEW acr? You better believe he can charge whatever he wants.

What 20k off? Keep dreaming! With all the records this monster is setting and the most TQ you can possibly buy in stock from in an NA application there is no alternative. It was poor marketing that got the discounts moving cars in the start, but now, it's a different game. I see the values ballooning on these fast and then will fall back and even out at around 180k for an ACR loaded up and the TA around 145, special editions like the LE settling around 110-120 and the rest in the 85-100 range.

It sucks the enthusiasts couldn't order them and now it seems they can't. It's sad but it's a reality and I'd suggest browsing inventory to find one with a color and options that are the closest match.

As a side note, I'm diggin the 'crazy' colors you guys are complaining about. The pink viper they have? I'd 100% buy that for my wife if 1)I had a wife 2) I had the 125k or whatever they want burning a hole in my pocket

[Martin]

I don't know - almost this same scenario happened back in '09 and '10 during the Chrysler bankruptcy. People were panicked that they couldn't get an ACR, and some of the dealerships really stocked up on them. At that time, I didn't think the Viper would survive, and I was absolutely astounded that I kept seeing deeper and deeper discounts for really cool cars. That Gen IV ACR was also getting a ton of good press for its track performance - just about as much good press as the Gen V is. When it hit $20k off MSRP, I almost bought a second ACR.

Same thing may or may not happen here. With the grumbling about the engines blowing, the various recalls, warranties being denied, and now this ordering debacle, people may just say "screw it" and start looking at different brands. There are other options out there at similar price points, and many people aren't planning on using the car as a regular track car - so the track record bragging rights may not be a big deal to 75% of potential buyers. I can see that dealer getting stuck with a lot of cars, especially if they get delivered in wintertime. Come June, if 100 cars are still in inventory, they'll be freaking out big-time.

[RedTanRT/10]

It would be great to hear/read comments from Bill @ Woodhouse or Bernie/Courney @ Tomball.

As to sold orders, it's the honor system, submit a name on a car order (no one is going to verify) Over the years my name has been on a number of vipers orders, '96's, '03's, '15's.

Gerry Wood dealership, they've been selling G5 vipers on an off. Maybe they decided to take a shot and order a bunch on speculation. The big 3 vipers dealers could have done the same, and to some degree have.

$10-15K dealer cash, I'll bet won't happen again this time. I'm sure dealers ordering viper on spec are on their own, this company is now FCA, not the old Chrysler/Dodge.

Again, for folks interested in ordering a '17, it would be great to have one of the big viper dealers set the record straight.

[Murpowa]

It would be great to hear/read comments from Bill @ Woodhouse or Bernie/Courney @ Tomball.

As to sold orders, it's the honor system, submit a name on a car order (no one is going to verify) Over the years my name has been on a number of vipers orders, '96's, '03's, '15's.

Gerry Wood dealership, they've been selling G5 vipers on an off. Maybe they decided to take a shot and order a bunch on speculation. The big 3 vipers dealers could have done the same, and to some degree have.

Again, for folks interested in ordering a '17, it would be great to have one of the big viper dealers set the record straight.

Seriously, 7 pages and not one comment from the big boys...

[Martin2000GTS]

Seriously, 7 pages and not one comment from the big boys...

There is no comment because there is simply that. No solid information. No need to comment if they don't have SOLID information. The big 3 dealers are "the big 3 dealers" for a reason. They don't screw us around, they have always been there and done the right thing. We know the average person will be posting negative reviews because one of them said one thing wrong that may even have been out of context. I don't blame them for not saying anything yet. There is simply no SOLID information yet. Lets just hold tight and see what happens. I'm crossing my fingers for positive information. And a shout out to Bill Pemberton for spending hours on the phone with me.

[Martin2000GTS]

Also a shout out to many more guys on the forum that I have been speaking with on the phone to try and help me out. Don't want to name names, but the viper brotherhood is great.

[Mbccenter]

Heard back from the 1 of 1 concierge, and they assured me that my recently ordered car is "100% definitely going to be built". So, that is a relief... Now, we just need to hear if this order system stoppage is going to get unclogged.

I received the same call today. Very nice gentleman. Could not answer if they would be off of hold again or not? So if they don't know I don't think any dealer will.

[Martin]

I received the same call today. Very nice gentleman. Could not answer if they would be off of hold again or not? So if they don't know I don't think any dealer will.

Sounds like they're getting swamped with complaints from really pissed off people who can't order what they want, or are in our situation and just got orders entered. I don't think anyone but top brass at FCA know whether they'll open orders up again or not. My impression is that this is like an overbooked flight - some people get bumped, and anyone that tries to get on the flight at the last minute is screwed.

[SharpMan]

Hey, any idea what was cancelled? I ordered a special edition model and even got my VIN assigned, I'm from Toronto. Do you know what got cancelled exactly? Are any 2017 coming to Canada? wtf is up with this?

All I know is that 80 Canadian orders were cancelled. I was offered a special edition but turned it down. I imagine that they had to make room for special editions out of the overall commitment they made to their supplier. I don't think they anticipated the demand for the ACR-E (why would they) and it's not like you can just order up twice as many wings and shocks and all that on short notice and even if you could they don't have the manpower to build them.

[Martin]

All I know is that 80 Canadian orders were cancelled. I was offered a special edition but turned it down. I imagine that they had to make room for special editions out of the overall commitment they made to their supplier. I don't think they anticipated the demand for the ACR-E (why would they) and it's not like you can just order up twice as many wings and shocks and all that on short notice and even if you could they don't have the manpower to build them.

Some of the special edition cars are pretty cool - I really like the 1:28 car, and the GTS-R Commemorative. I didn't even think it was possible to get any of them anymore.

[Coloviper]

I have no knowledge of anything on this but when your best big Viper dealers the past few years are basically out in the cold on the big orders at the end and someone else steps up like they did to secure that kind of an allocation, that usually means something is up. I am just an observer and not a big conspiracy guy but what stands out for me is this, the big Viper dealers of the past were also the ones selling modifications, Prefix convertibles and targas, Arrow Phase I and II mods, suspensions changes, brake changes, etc., etc.

With the stance FCA is taking on modifications and warranty voids, it is a little suspicious that the very same dealers who have been the savior of Dodge and Viper, who participated in these mod programs are in fact now sidelined or penalized for it. Maybe there is a lawsuit for those big 3 dealers against FCA. That would not surprise me as if those owners left out in the cold are not made whole by FCA, you can bet your ass their attorneys are going after those dealers. The sold modification programs will be for off road use, but nowhere in there does it state you will lose your warranty if you modify by installation of those packages. I suspect this is just the tip of a huge iceberg which has a lot of weight underneath the water.

Now you can not blame FCA for selling the remaining allotment to a single dealer. Their "problem is solved in two ways, one it sells out their run so no worries about selling the remaining stock and two, I guarantee conditions for buying from this dealer is the dealer makes zero mods on the cars before selling them. No more issues with mods that way. FCA then controls the situation. Bet the dealer got a hell of a deal to buy them all at discount from the bulk buy. Good for them and smart if he had the cash!

This will invariably get ugly before the end of the line car roles off. The whole thing is an exercise in what not to do. Starts with FCA in not producing a car with the highest HP in their line up. Produce a Viper with more than 707 HP and chances are most would have stayed stock, except for those outliers who mod everything. Those guys accept there is no warranty once they play anyway. The entire problem has been FCA all along. You could not write a more screwed up chain of events.

[BlueAdder]

If FCA did agree to sell those 135 Vipers, it's a good commercial move. Chances are that by the time they closed the order book, they would not have had to make all those cars.
If someone at FCA got approached by the dealer and was told: Here's $17M, I need 135 Vipers. How would you refuse that?

It does suck big time for the people who want a 1 of 1 and can no longer order it. Now, if you want one you'll have to go buy it from that dealer and hope that they have whatever you wanted to in the first place.

That hot pink viper though :monkeyleft:

[46hemi]

Makes total sense. Certainly much more risk on the dealer side depending on the deal he cut. I recall in 2006 when Woodhouse bought the complete allocation of Ram SRT (100+ if memory serves) at a significant discount and sold them fairly well. Maybe they just put it out to the highest bidder and this guy won. Its not the first time SRT selling large lot of outgoing model although at the time the rams were not selling so this is a bit different. I hope he does well with them its a significant investment! My guess is early on a decent selection should be available on showroom floors for those who missed order.

[Eugene Lee]

There are like 600 of the damn things. Call one of the big 3 dealers and buy one off the lot

wow thats a lot for a car like this. I thought the built numbers where like in the 300s

[Larryskillzs]

I guess it was lost in the thread, but I'll say it again.

About 6 weeks ago I got a text from the Gerrywood manager. He told me they were buying out the entire allocation of remaining Viper orders and he was wondering if I was interested in trading my 15' I purchased from them.

This is real guys. Gerrywood basically cleaned out whatever orders were left.

I was shocked when I received the text and knew it would be a big to do in here.

It sucks that people that were waiting to order got the shaft. But the saying, you snooze you lose comes to mind.

[ACRucrazy]

I guess it was lost in the thread, but I'll say it again.

About 6 weeks ago I got a text from the Gerrywood manager. He told me they were buying out the entire allocation of remaining Viper orders and he was wondering if I was interested in trading my 15' I purchased from them.

This is real guys. Gerrywood basically cleaned out whatever orders were left.

I was shocked when I received the text and knew it would be a big to do in here.

It sucks that people that were waiting to order got the shaft. But the saying, you snooze you lose comes to mind.

Yup. I bet if the was one of the big name dealers no one will bat an eye..

[ek1]

I'd 100% buy that for my wife if 1)I had a wife 2) I had the 125k or whatever they want burning a hole in my pocket

But that's just it..the "IF" part. I have been following the market since Gen V came out and the biggest problem always was always that there was a large amount of people who loved the Viper, but only a tiny amount of people who actually spent money on one. The fact that a fully loaded new Gen V was priced similarly to 1-2 yr old exotics did not help either, because majority of shoppers in the $130K+ price range are looking for things that the Gen 5 does not deliver - prestige / brand equity / snob appeal), ease of daily use, high-end dealership experience, etc. In fact, a recent Motor Trend's "Best Driver's Car" feature is a great example of what majority of people in the $130K+ market are looking for (and will pay for). It is NOT the ACR and definitely not a regular Gen V.

The ACR may currently hold production car records at many tracks, but you can count on these records to be shattered as better chassis, powertrain, suspension and tire technologies are developed. Case in point is Gen 4 ACR, which had record-shattering performance when it was released.

IF this story about one dealership buying up the remaining 2017 ACRs is true, I can definitely see $20K off on a $160K car with some "wonderful" black and gold paint scheme, because someone can just buy it, spend $5K and wrap it in any color they like. After all, a discount of $20K on a $160K car is only 12.5% off and is not unheard of in that price range. As far as the pink car is concerned, the same logic applies. How many people out there are willing to spend $153,580 (it's not $125K) to buy their girl a present in a form of a street-legal race car with a manual transmission, non-existent ground clearance, tiny fuel tank, poor rearward visibility, weak air conditioning, etc. Better yet, how many women would spend $153,580 on a car like the ACR? Not many. And if the person looking for a pink ACR takes a few years to show up, the car will be sitting. And if the money borrowed to buy millions of dollars worth of Vipers must be repaid before the car is sold, this is when the $20K discount will come in.

I dont have a dog in this fight anyway since my car is sitting in my garage, I bought it for fun and enjoyment and could not care less if ACRs appreciate, depreciate, lose or keep value, etc, but based on historical facts I would not count on Gen V ACRs becoming "the next Ford GT" or some other rarity du jour with crazy appreciation. It's sad that some dealership decided to try and gouge people that have been delaying their ACR purchase, but their dick move is unlikely to create anything but a short-lived jump in ACR prices.

[EZ 2B Green]

If there is any truth to this dealer buying up the remaining inventory, why did they have to make up bogus VINs and display them on their website? It doesn't seem necessary and the real VINs aren't going to be anything close. The only thing that's possible is if FCA let them create their own VINs as long as they fit into some general guidelines. Even that seems far fetched to me.

[MK2_Viper]

Apologies if this has been posted already but the explanation right here says they purchased the remaining inventory, if it is not true and they are publicly posting about it then you figure someone would say something in contradiction .

http://www.gerrywood-dodge.com/blogs/1442/viper/gerry-wood-dodge-become-worlds-largest-viper-dealero/

[EZ 2B Green]

It would be one thing if they purchased the entire remaining allocation, but according to their advertising, they also configured them all. This is contrary to what the 1 of 1 program was supposed to be about. It apparently has caused a lot of dissatisfaction among customers wanting to submit orders. What a PR mess.

[Martin]

It would be one thing if they purchased the entire remaining allocation, but according to their advertising, they also configured them all. This is contrary to what the 1 of 1 program was supposed to be about. It apparently has caused a lot of dissatisfaction among customers wanting to submit orders. What a PR mess.

My feelings exactly - if they had just bought up all the stock standard ACRs and ACR-Es, it wouldn't bug me so much. But, they seemed to have really gamed the one of one system and flooded the market with one of one's. What's the use of having a unique car if all the cars are unique? In essence, Dodge let them dilute the value of a very good program.

[drivingdutchman]

I'm off to return the color books I borrowed tomorrow and will ask VE what's going on. The fact no one has mentioned anything here officially means they don't know or it's true. If true there's no rush to buy a Gen 5 ACR E IMHO (no Ford GT effect here) and it seems I'll be exotic shopping instead. A sad day for the true enthusiast. I hope Gerry Wood loses their ass on this.

[skydeals]

I dont know.. I think it was a bold and possible a smart move of what Gerry Wood has done... They now will be able to have some control on the ACR market..Now if someone wants a ACR they are going to have to possible buy one of there cars... Wood can control the price a bit, maybe sell a few at a time. If they control market share they could keep the price strong...Look all the other dealers including the big three could have took Woods leap of faith on the ACR and bought more inventory as well but they didn't. Wood must think very highly and have a strong faith in this car or he would not have taken such a big risk.. I know this really sucks for those who have not got there 1 of 1 order in , but everyone still has the opportunity to purchase this great car..Its just going to be from dealer inventory, just like we have been doing all along...For all of us that love the Viper this could be a good thing if he can keep the price and demand strong......

[Chorps]

I dont know.. I think it was a bold and possible a smart move of what Gerry Wood has done... They now will be able to have some control on the ACR market..Now if someone wants a ACR they are going to have to possible buy one of there cars... Wood can control the price a bit, maybe sell a few at a time. If they control market share they could keep the price strong...Look all the other dealers including the big three could have took Woods leap of faith on the ACR and bought more inventory as well but they didn't. Wood must think very highly and have a strong faith in this car or he would not have taken such a big risk.. I know this really sucks for those who have not got there 1 of 1 order in , but everyone still has the opportunity to purchase this great car..Its just going to be from dealer inventory, just like we have been doing all along...For all of us that love the Viper this could be a good thing if he can keep the price and demand strong......

Wow...kudos to them for being bold, that's around a $20M investment (SRP). Sucks for everyone else who was wanting to order though.

[TrackAire]

Very interesting turn of events....I would not have seen this coming, especially for a dealership that I'd never really even seen on the radar. I wonder if FCA gave them some sort of special financing deal if they bought out the remaining inventory?? I'm not in the dealership business, but wouldn't the dealer have to come up with the entire dollar figure in something like 90 days after getting the ACR's? Does Gerry Wood have that kind of financial resources?

My last thought was that Gerry Wood's location is right in the middle of most NASCAR teams and garages....maybe 50 to 60 of these cars are going to get modified like the ACR-X program for a new race series by one of the local NASCAR garages in the neighborhood. I'm pretty sure that those ACR-E-X's would sell out immediately if a race series was announced as a farewell tour paying homage the Viper legacy.

Never a dull moment when dealing with FCA..........:confused:

[ViperSmith]

Yes, very smart move. With Gen I's trading in the $350,000 range and the iconic Gen II 1996 moving st $400,000 each these guys are sure to have made a solid investment

[Fatboy 18]

Yes, very smart move. With Gen I's trading in the $350,000 range and the iconic Gen II 1996 moving st $400,000 each these guys are sure to have made a solid investm by.

:smilielol::smilielol::smilielol:

[Policy Limits]

Funny. But GTS-R cars built nearly two decades ago have a higher value now than they did then & that's pretty good, for a car. Gen V special editions will do the same & more I suspect

[Dman]

Yes, very smart move. With Gen I's trading in the $350,000 range and the iconic Gen II 1996 moving st $400,000 each these guys are sure to have made a solid investment

LMAO. I'd love to see the viper valued (actually selling) at it's true worth, let alone appreciate, but IMO the likelihood of that happening (in the next year or 15 years) is about as probable as a competent President being elected in the US.

[Mbccenter]

The negativity of the Viper owners is one of the reasons for the low value. They kill themselves. Go to a Ford GT board and read how they are.. I do think that the ACR will be strong value wise but I am just going to drive it for what it is.. If my kid gets to sell it for big $ after I am gone that will be good for them..

[genVer]

The negativity of the Viper owners is one of the reasons for the low value. They kill themselves. Go to a Ford GT board and read how they are.. I do think that the ACR will be strong value wise but I am just going to drive it for what it is.. If my kid gets to sell it for big $ after I am gone that will be good for them..

Great post Mbccenter!

[ViperJon]

The negativity of the Viper owners is one of the reasons for the low value. They kill themselves. Go to a Ford GT board and read how they are.. I do think that the ACR will be strong value wise but I am just going to drive it for what it is.. If my kid gets to sell it for big $ after I am gone that will be good for them..

And there it is.....the inevitable Viper vs. FGT comparo that nobody is buying into.....'cause if people weren't "negative" Viper values would be skyrocketing!

[ACRSNK]

Funny. But GTS-R cars built nearly two decades ago have a higher value now than they did then & that's pretty good, for a car. Gen V special editions will do the same & more I suspect

Have you seen the prices on the GTS-R's that have actually changed hands in the last 1 -2 years? Check the auction results. To say that they have a "higher value" is a bit of a stretch when you can still find them at sticker or less and that is for a wrapper car. Car is over 18 years old. That car has not brought any value to anyone that bought one new. In fact, it is a failed investment, but I still like and will have one someday.

[Fatboy 18]

The negativity of the Viper owners is one of the reasons for the low value. They kill themselves. Go to a Ford GT board and read how they are.. I do think that the ACR will be strong value wise but I am just going to drive it for what it is.. If my kid gets to sell it for big $ after I am gone that will be good for them..

OK, So they made 4038 Ford GT'S FROM 2004 TO 2006 with a retail price of approx $150k
Again prices vary, but there's one on the bay currently for $160k and seem to be topping out at $400k

Now are you going to include All Gen V Vipers or are we just talking of the Gen V ACR here? Do we know how many Gen V ACRs have been built so far?

[Martin2000GTS]

Yes, very smart move. With Gen I's trading in the $350,000 range and the iconic Gen II 1996 moving st $400,000 each these guys are sure to have made a solid investment

lol...I did laugh reading that....

[Martin2000GTS]

OK, So they made 4038 Ford GT'S FROM 2004 TO 2006 with a retail price of approx $150k
Again prices vary, but there's one on the bay currently for $160k and seem to be topping out at $400k

Now are you going to include All Gen V Vipers or are we just talking of the Gen V ACR here? Do we know how many Gen V ACRs have been built so far?

I do think about this pretty often. And do make the comparisons as well with the Ford GT and Viper. But here is my reasoning and take it for what its worth. They made 4038 Ford GT' total as you say. Plus of course the "real ones" from back in the day which go for millions and there are only a hand full of them. I think the racing heritage of the Ford GT from back in the day appeals to people more than the viper racing heritage. On top of that the total amount of viper s in existence today (from 92-17) I'm guessing is 30,000 cars? (That's just a guess I really don't know the answer.) Having an extreme ACR will be rare in the viper community, but that's just it...in the community. But still not overall as rare as a Ford GT plus its racing heritage.

Anyways I just want to buy my 1 of 1 and be buried in it. I never plan on selling it just like I never plan on selling my current viper that I have had for 13 years.

[Martin2000GTS]

We should be getting updated info real soon here. I don't want to spread any rumors so I'm just waiting for an official announcement which I am sure will happen any day now. I feel like we make a lot of assumptions on here that just gets people excited and mad over nothing. Lets wait for the official word, then save our bashing for then :) Trust me I'm losing my hair wondering if I'm going to be out a 1 of 1.

[ACR Extreme]

The negativity of the Viper owners is one of the reasons for the low value. They kill themselves. Go to a Ford GT board and read how they are.. I do think that the ACR will be strong value wise but I am just going to drive it for what it is.. If my kid gets to sell it for big $ after I am gone that will be good for them..

You are spot on and will follow in those exact footsteps.

The endless badgering of FCA dealers is a reflection of misery loves company over nothing.

It's either a few defective engines or poor builds - shooting themselves in both feet on a daily basis those posts directly drive the market down a few posts later the same complain about value.

So many posts of prices what happened a decade ago it's as if one can change history even today people complain about a dealership doing their job.

The only way prices go up is positive ownership - it's that simple.

[ACRSNK]

We should be getting updated info real soon here. I don't want to spread any rumors so I'm just waiting for an official announcement which I am sure will happen any day now. I feel like we make a lot of assumptions on here that just gets people excited and mad over nothing. Lets wait for the official word, then save our bashing for then :) Trust me I'm losing my hair wondering if I'm going to be out a 1 of 1.

Go ahead and spread some rumors....inquiring minds want to know what you know :drive:

[Simms]

We should be getting updated info real soon here. I don't want to spread any rumors so I'm just waiting for an official announcement which I am sure will happen any day now. I feel like we make a lot of assumptions on here that just gets people excited and mad over nothing. Lets wait for the official word, then save our bashing for then :) Trust me I'm losing my hair wondering if I'm going to be out a 1 of 1.

Your last sentence is not encouraging.

[bluesrt]

Yep used at 500 miles never tracked mint condition, window sticker still in the window all aero still wrapped in plastic. That 500 miles was worth $20,000!

Lol.

that was the car that got dropped off the trailer

[NT-ACR]

And there it is.....the inevitable Viper vs. FGT comparo that nobody is buying into.....'cause if people weren't "negative" Viper values would be skyrocketing!

:t1236:

[ACRucrazy]

OK, So they made 4038 Ford GT'S FROM 2004 TO 2006 with a retail price of approx $150k
Again prices vary, but there's one on the bay currently for $160k and seem to be topping out at $400k

Now are you going to include All Gen V Vipers or are we just talking of the Gen V ACR here? Do we know how many Gen V ACRs have been built so far?

Gen IV ACR, 635.
Gen V ACR probably a bit more than that.
Total Gen V Viper probably a bit more than 4038 in 5 years.

[Dman]

realism isn't negativity, it's just keeping it real.

if the love, positive attitude and thinking it's the greatest thing made by the owner, would make a cars' value go up .... mustangs would resale for a million dollars.

we can all meet back here in 20 years and see. meantime, I hope everyone waiting on good news gets it, shame if some folks are left out as a result of the "gobble up" strategy.

[Fatboy 18]

Gen IV ACR, 635.
Gen V ACR probably a bit more than that.
Total Gen V Viper probably a bit more than 4038 in 5 years.

Good Info, thank you, Well If we keep it to the ACRs then future pricing and Values could get exciting :)

[Fatboy 18]

Gen IV ACR, 635.
Gen V ACR probably a bit more than that.
Total Gen V Viper probably a bit more than 4038 in 5 years.

Good Info, thank you, Well If we keep it to the ACRs then future pricing and Values could get exciting :)

[ViperDC]

Yes, very smart move. With Gen I's trading in the $350,000 range and the iconic Gen II 1996 moving st $400,000 each these guys are sure to have made a solid investment

Lmao

[drivingdutchman]

As per the other thread it is confirmed that GW did indeed cause this debacle after FCA allowed them to get away with ordering GTC's as stock cars. Sigh..... We will see if FCA is able to do anything to remedy the situation they've put themselves in. Lots of unhappy people at the moment. I fully understand that at the end of any product cycle there will always be unhappy people who don't get what they want, but this seems to be extraordinarily mismanaged.

[Martin]

As per the other thread it is confirmed that GW did indeed cause this debacle after FCA allowed them to get away with ordering GTC's as stock cars. Sigh..... We will see if FCA is able to do anything to remedy the situation they've put themselves in. Lots of unhappy people at the moment. I fully understand that at the end of any product cycle there will always be unhappy people who don't get what they want, but this seems to be extraordinarily mismanaged.

I'm shocked that FCA "extraordinarily mismanaged" something... [/SARCASM]

[GerryWoodViper]

If there is any truth to this dealer buying up the remaining inventory, why did they have to make up bogus VINs and display them on their website? It doesn't seem necessary and the real VINs aren't going to be anything close. The only thing that's possible is if FCA let them create their own VINs as long as they fit into some general guidelines. Even that seems far fetched to me.

Ready my letter to the VOA please. Those are the VON's. We have VIN's on most cars now and site will update overnight.

[GerryWoodViper]

Really sucks that so many of the Gerry Wood vipers are just such odd color combinations that I cant see people liking. Most of which wont have the 12 or 18 speaker stereo and interior carpeting.... Jeeze if Dodge knew they were down to 100 left over ACR-E's would have been nice to let them all be 1 of 1's. Would have been nice of them to give the big dealers a heads up, as I am sure between the big 3 dealers there were probably a large amount of people in the process of putting an order together.

I know business is business and they would probably rather sell all the cars and be out, but with that much time left I'm sure the last 100 would have been sold over the next few months no problem to special 1 of 1 customers. sucks big time for all the people that were in the process and just days away from putting in an official order.

All the cars that are special editions are with the Harman Kardon and full carpet, they are GTC at the core. The colors are really amazing - we used the AkzoNobel color books and we had a panel of Viper lovers give input. WE looked at them in the sun, shade, night time, inside and out. They are stunning! Unfortunately, in this custom color spectrum the images we post on our site simply don't show the colors correctly. We have a courtesy sample 4" x 6" for each color and the custom stripes also that we will FedEx to buyers to touch and feel. We can send multiple to make the decision process better. Whatever it takes to help you make the correct decision.

[ViperJon]

100% agree with this statement. I can only imagine how many people were in my boat just to watch their dream slip away. The worst thing is all those cars he ordered are not custom one of ones from what it looks like. Most likely none of the aCR,s have rear carpeting or 18 speaker stereo. Which is what I wanted

Hate to tell you but a lot of ACR-E buyers didn't want the speakers and carpeting....that was kinda the purpose of the ACR-E. I wanted the exact car that set the track records not the cushy version. Can always add the speakers and carpeting.

[ViperDC]

All the cars that are special editions are with the Harman Kardon and full carpet, they are GTC at the core. The colors are really amazing - we used the AkzoNobel color books and we had a panel of Viper lovers give input. WE looked at them in the sun, shade, night time, inside and out. They are stunning! Unfortunately, in this custom color spectrum the images we post on our site simply don't show the colors correctly. We have a courtesy sample 4" x 6" for each color and the custom stripes also that we will FedEx to buyers to touch and feel. We can send multiple to make the decision process better. Whatever it takes to help you make the correct decision.

Looking forward to seeing some of them

[Martin]

Hate to tell you but a lot of ACR-E buyers didn't want the speakers and carpeting....that was kinda the purpose of the ACR-E. I wanted the exact car that set the track records not the cushy version. Can always add the speakers and carpeting.

I was one that was waiting for the "super hardcore" ACR-E version to come out - and I'm glad I didn't wait too long. I figure I can always take out the speakers and carpeting and swap the cushy seats for the ballistic nylon Sabelt seats I wanted.

[VRYALT3R3D]

I didn't believe it when my dealer told me there was a 10 day window in Canada to order a Viper. Now I regret it. I found a 16 ACR on the lot though.

[Martin]

I didn't believe it when my dealer told me there was a 10 day window in Canada to order a Viper. Now I regret it. I found a 16 ACR on the lot though.

What's somewhat amusing (in a tragic comedy sort of way) is that not long ago, rumors were floating around about the ordering window closing shortly. A few people got bashed for that rumor, and some dealers got the heavy hand treatment on the grounds that they are just trying to spread rumors to get people to buy. Well, the rumors were true, and here we are. May as well make the best of it - trust me, it's not as bad as cancer. Definite first-world problem.

[drivingdutchman]

What's somewhat amusing (in a tragic comedy sort of way) is that not long ago, rumors were floating around about the ordering window closing shortly. A few people got bashed for that rumor, and some dealers got the heavy hand treatment on the grounds that they are just trying to spread rumors to get people to buy. Well, the rumors were true, and here we are. May as well make the best of it - trust me, it's not as bad as cancer. Definite first-world problem.

First world problems indeed. It's severely disappointing but it'll work out in the end. I'm now kinda looking forward to my first exotic if this viper business doesn't work out.

[ACR Extreme]

All the cars that are special editions are with the Harman Kardon and full carpet, they are GTC at the core. The colors are really amazing - we used the AkzoNobel color books and we had a panel of Viper lovers give input. WE looked at them in the sun, shade, night time, inside and out. They are stunning! Unfortunately, in this custom color spectrum the images we post on our site simply don't show the colors correctly. We have a courtesy sample 4" x 6" for each color and the custom stripes also that we will FedEx to buyers to touch and feel. We can send multiple to make the decision process better. Whatever it takes to help you make the correct decision.

Congratulations!

Impressive to have continued confidence - good for you!

[The_Don]

With that being said, I'm surprised the FCA allowed this.

[bluesrt]

Im not. Got to get to gettin. Its ben out there to if you want one better get one. Sleepers lost out. Or bullshit talkers now can cry and say boo hoo i was just getting ready. Ya right

[Martin2000GTS]

All the cars that are special editions are with the Harman Kardon and full carpet, they are GTC at the core. The colors are really amazing - we used the AkzoNobel color books and we had a panel of Viper lovers give input. WE looked at them in the sun, shade, night time, inside and out. They are stunning! Unfortunately, in this custom color spectrum the images we post on our site simply don't show the colors correctly. We have a courtesy sample 4" x 6" for each color and the custom stripes also that we will FedEx to buyers to touch and feel. We can send multiple to make the decision process better. Whatever it takes to help you make the correct decision.

Sorry I am not interested in your "special edition". I wanted my "one of one" Viper. Which I tried to order on Friday and was told I can no longer do so with my local dealer. The viper program could have easily moved a wimpy 100 orders over the next few months to customers like myself that wanted exactly what they wanted. and had it delivered to a local dealer, or even a club sponsor. I get it your in the business of selling cars and you need to do what you need to do to make money. I'm just pissed I cant get my dream car which I waited a whopping 3 months to order after 2017's were able to be ordered. Now I'm stuck getting something I don't really want, or a fancy "Gerry Wood" edition. kill me.

[Martin2000GTS]

Hate to tell you but a lot of ACR-E buyers didn't want the speakers and carpeting....that was kinda the purpose of the ACR-E. I wanted the exact car that set the track records not the cushy version. Can always add the speakers and carpeting.

I disagree with this statement. Many people ordered the GTC w/ACR package so they can get the HK system and interior carpeting. I have also spoke to the reputable dealers on this board and they to have said people want the system in their ACR-E. Take a look at the "Hardcore" package in the gen 4, They sold such minimal quantities. The average owner wants a decent stereo. as opposed to no stereo or a 3 speaker system. Hence the reason for the 1 of 1 program. Just my opinion.

[Martin2000GTS]

Im not. Got to get to gettin. Its ben out there to if you want one better get one. Sleepers lost out. Or bullshit talkers now can cry and say boo hoo i was just getting ready. Ya right

Ordering a car 3 months into the 2017 ordering season in my opinion is not waiting until the last minute to order a 2017 GTC. Its a big purchase for some and maybe just pennies to others. Not all viper buyers can just make a decision on a $140k car on a whim. ....I mean come on ....its been 3 months..... but yeah I'm butt hurt. sucks.

[drivingdutchman]

Ordering a car 3 months into the 2017 ordering season in my opinion is not waiting until the last minute to order a 2017 GTC. Its a big purchase for some and maybe just pennies to others. Not all viper buyers can just make a decision on a $140k car on a whim. ....I mean come on ....its been 3 months..... but yeah I'm butt hurt. sucks.

Agree x1000.

[NKC]

I didn't believe it when my dealer told me there was a 10 day window in Canada to order a Viper. Now I regret it. I found a 16 ACR on the lot though.

10 day window for Canada? Where did you hear that? I couldn't even get in since January. Still waiting.

[ACRSNK]

It's a less than $2K one day add-in if it's that big a deal for the stereo. Many have done it.
Not a deal breaker by any means. Carry on crying.

With all your wise posts, why are you still only an "enthusiast" on here? You should at least become a mamba member.

And for the record, most people that I have talked to with ACR's have the stereo and carpet, or were planning on doing a 1of1 and ordering it that way. Hardcore is nice, but I think the car is still quite capable with the added 2 pounds of weight. Lol.

[ViperJon]

Adding the stereo into an ACR-E is about 2K and a day's effort, many have done it. Certainly not a deal breaker.
Have to laugh at all the "I was just getting ready to order my custom dream car" posts" when the writings been on the wall for months.
There will be hundreds to pick from next year surely you can find one to suit your needs if you are actually SERIOUS.

[ViperSmith]

Sorry I am not interested in your "special edition". I wanted my "one of one" Viper. Which I tried to order on Friday and was told I can no longer do so with my local dealer. The viper program could have easily moved a wimpy 100 orders over the next few months to customers like myself that wanted exactly what they wanted. and had it delivered to a local dealer, or even a club sponsor. I get it your in the business of selling cars and you need to do what you need to do to make money. I'm just pissed I cant get my dream car which I waited a whopping 3 months to order after 2017's were able to be ordered. Now I'm stuck getting something I don't really want, or a fancy "Gerry Wood" edition. kill me.

I find it hard to believe many buyers are going to drop $140k+ on a car they didn't spec.

We saw how this played out in 2013, especially without the lack of color customization . In reality a bizarre no name dealer teamed up with dodge (who doesn't give a shit about Viper owners at this point) to buy up and block up the 1-1 program

The dealer can pat themselves on the back as doing everyone a favor all they want, but in reality it is a shitty move on their and dodges part.

I could see if this was April and the books were closing up, but it isn't.

In the end I'd have to assume most of the people that HAD to have a Gen V ACR were already there with money down, so not a big deal for most. So, in reality who will be buying?

[ViperJon]

With all your wise posts, why are you still only an "enthusiast" on here? You should at least become a mamba member..

After eight years of being a VCA member I don't feel the need to join another club. But I support Dodge by buying three NEW Vipers in the last six years over 100K each. How about you lets hear how you've supported the Viper. One used car is it?

[Murpowa]

Im not. Got to get to gettin. Its ben out there to if you want one better get one. Sleepers lost out. Or bullshit talkers now can cry and say boo hoo i was just getting ready. Ya right

Seriously?

This may be hard for you and a few others of such stature to understand, however, not everyone can cut a check for 120k on a moments notice without some forward planning.

[Murpowa]

I find it hard to believe many buyers are going to drop $140k+ on a car they didn't spec.

We saw how this played out in 2013, especially without the lack of color customization . In reality a bizarre no name dealer teamed up with dodge (who doesn't give a shit about Viper owners at this point) to buy up and block up the 1-1 program

The dealer can pat themselves on the back as doing everyone a favor all they want, but in reality it is a shitty move on their and dodges part.


Agree with your sentiment 100%.

Gerry, congrats on getting this deal done with Dodge and hopefully you are thinking long term because you will likely be sitting on those special editions for years to come.

[gatesy21]

Agree with your sentiment 100%.

Gerry, congrats on getting this deal done with Dodge and hopefully you are thinking long term because you will likely be sitting on those special editions for years to come.

100% agree!

[ViperJon]

The irony of it is:

If Woodhouse had done it: GREAT move by Woodhouse really looking out for the Viper nation 'cause we will have a nice supply of cars and Bill P is a great guy to work with. Can't wait to see the Woodhouse special editions going to be fantastic. Way to go this is great news for the Viper nation!

If Tomball had done it: Isn't this just like Bernie trying to corner the market on Vipers. This is very upsetting because they are sooo hard to deal with. Maybe I can talk to Courtney. I heard she gives much better pricing. Can only imagine the special editions. This is bad news for the Viper nation.

But Gerry Woods did it: Who the hell do these guys think they are? The nerve.....thinking they can sell Vipers and we have never heard of them. And making their own special editions? As if they have a clue what they are doing. I was just going to pull the string on one after waiting two plus years...This is a disaster for the Viper nation. I'm getting a Vette.

[Mbccenter]

Welcome Gerry. Congrats on your Viper purchases and I hope it goes well for you. I am sure it will.

The news has been out there for some time to get your orders in. I chose to deal with a dealer that knew what was going on with Dodge to help me make sure I got my order in time. And it was with only days to spare to get it done. I could not get the color I wanted anyway so went with option #2. There is some inventory on the dealer lots yet and I would suggest buying them before they are gone if you want a new one.

[Mbccenter]

The irony of it is:

If Woodhouse had done it: GREAT move by Woodhouse really looking out for the Viper nation 'cause we will have a nice supply of cars and Bill P is a great guy to work with. Can't wait to see the Woodhouse special editions going to be fantastic. Way to go this is great news for the Viper nation!

If Tomball had done it: Isn't this just like Bernie trying to corner the market on Vipers. This is very upsetting because they are sooo hard to deal with. Maybe I can talk to Courtney. I heard she gives much better pricing. Can only imagine the special editions. This is bad news for the Viper nation.

But Gerry Woods did it: Who the hell do these guys think they are? The nerve.....thinking they can sell Vipers and we have never heard of them. And making their own special editions? As if they have a clue what they are doing. I was just going to pull the string on one after waiting two plus years...This is a disaster for the Viper nation. I'm getting a Vette.

So true

[ViperSmith]

The irony of it is:

If Woodhouse had done it: GREAT move by Woodhouse really looking out for the Viper nation 'cause we will have a nice supply of cars and Bill P is a great guy to work with. Can't wait to see the Woodhouse special editions going to be fantastic. Way to go this is great news for the Viper nation!

If Tomball had done it: Isn't this just like Bernie trying to corner the market on Vipers. This is very upsetting because they are sooo hard to deal with. Maybe I can talk to Courtney. I heard she gives much better pricing. Can only imagine the special editions. This is bad news for the Viper nation.

But Gerry Woods did it: Who the hell do these guys think they are? The nerve.....thinking they can sell Vipers and we have never heard of them. And making their own special editions? As if they have a clue what they are doing. I was just going to pull the string on one after waiting two plus years...This is a disaster for the Viper nation. I'm getting a Vette.

Jon, possibly so. I still think people would be bothered by them scooping up inventory and making the ACR uncustomizable. I think that's what many are taking issue with, you can't build the ACR to your specs. Again, if it were next April and it wasn't sold out, I don't think there would be heartache.

It is an unknown dealer who did this, who hasn't been committed to Viper Owners for 25 years which I think makes this not sit well with some either.

Oh well, bfd in the end.

[ViperTony]

After eight years of being a VCA Pill member I don't feel the need to join another club. But I support Dodge by buying three NEW Vipers in the last six years over 100K each. How about you lets hear how you've supported the Viper. One used car is it?

I thought it was because you're a cheap bastard :witless: I stand corrected. Member or not we still love you.

[ACRucrazy]

The irony of it is:

If Woodhouse had done it: GREAT move by Woodhouse really looking out for the Viper nation 'cause we will have a nice supply of cars and Bill P is a great guy to work with. Can't wait to see the Woodhouse special editions going to be fantastic. Way to go this is great news for the Viper nation!

If Tomball had done it: Isn't this just like Bernie trying to corner the market on Vipers. This is very upsetting because they are sooo hard to deal with. Maybe I can talk to Courtney. I heard she gives much better pricing. Can only imagine the special editions. This is bad news for the Viper nation.

But Gerry Woods did it: Who the hell do these guys think they are? The nerve.....thinking they can sell Vipers and we have never heard of them. And making their own special editions? As if they have a clue what they are doing. I was just going to pull the string on one after waiting two plus years...This is a disaster for the Viper nation. I'm getting a Vette.


And there she is. The elephant in the room finally!

[SSGNRDZ_28]

I ordered the day pricing was announced in June, ordering had opened maybe a week or 2 before that. I have VIN 100. It was my guess (along with others) that ordering would close long before normal and we stated that in a few posts on a few threads. There were too many variables to have confidence in ordering staying open for the long haul, and obviously this was not a scenario anyone could have predicted.

I feel pretty bad for those getting ready to pull the trigger on a 1 of 1 ACR. I know I would have been disappointed. If ordering does happen to open again, consider that your second chance and don't hesitate, it will probably close again shortly thereafter given what has happened.

The good news is there are still ACRs to be had, and other 1 of 1 models you can still order, and while it may not be the exact car you had wanted to order, you might be able to get close. I know if I hadn't been able to order my 1 of 1, I had a few alternates in the back of my mind that in all reality I would have been 99% as happy with once the car was in my garage, it is funny how you convince yourself what you have is awesome once you are committed to it. Luckily there are ways to fill in some of the gaps with options, and even sending the car back to Prefix for stripes is possible. Realizing of course it is not the same and most likely more expensive to do any of this after the fact. Get some of these sample colors from Gerry Wood or contact our known dealers with existing inventory, you might end up liking it, and it saves the back-and-forth of making your own decision and wondering if it is the right one. The good news is you can see your car in person before you commit to it, unlike the 1 of 1 people.

As for Gerry Wood, we've certainly heard of them now, and they are a sponsor, so good for them and the VOA. It is hard to say they don't like Vipers when they've bought that many without having them sold. So I hope they are welcomed into the community. The Viper world is small and not getting any bigger any time soon.

Business is business, stuff happens, and unexpectedly the game changed overnight. Ordering would have closed anyway, IMO the fact that someone bought 135 only shifted it forward a little, or maybe just put a pause on ordering while they catch up and fully understand what it means for the supply of ACR parts. That is the past, the future is what you decide to make of it. Not ordering an ACR? Get your order in now. Wanted a 1 of 1 ACR? Time for plan B, whatever you decide that is.

[AZTVR]

This all sounds to me like a really smart move on FCA's part. I liken it to a custom house builder that has xxx lots left to build in his subdivision and has already purchased all of the materials to build those houses and has said that he can not build any more. People have been showing up at his showroom house looking at the options; but, haven't committed, and at some point in time an investor comes in and says, I will buy all of the remaining houses today.

What would you have said as the builder/business owner? I realize that many of you aren't business owners; neither am I, but, I can certainly see the wisdom of their decision.

[ViperPete]

This is a pleasant distraction from all the "engine blowing up" "FCA is the devil" threads....

Carry on.

[Murpowa]

This all sounds to me like a really smart move on FCA's part. I liken it to a custom house builder that has xxx lots left to build in his subdivision and has already purchased all of the materials to build those houses and has said that he can not build any more. People have been showing up at his showroom house looking at the options; but, haven't committed, and at some point in time an investor comes in and says, I will buy all of the remaining houses today.

What would you have said as the builder/business owner? I realize that many of you aren't business owners; neither am I, but, I can certainly see the wisdom of their decision.

Creating and selling a program aimed at the customer (1 of 1 ordering) only to sell out to a dealer who depleting an chance of a potential buyer to customize their own vehicle? Not to mention what issues FCA may face with warranties after these cars have sat on the dealer's lot for a lengthy period of time (thinking about PDV's situation).

Not sure smart is the right word..

[ACRucrazy]

Creating and selling a program aimed at the customer (1 of 1 ordering) only to sell out to a dealer who depleting an chance of a potential buyer to customize their own vehicle? Not to mention what issues FCA may face with warranties after these cars have sat on the dealer's lot for a lengthy period of time (thinking about PDV's situation).

Not sure smart is the right word..

Maybe Gerry Wood can comment, but from what I read they used the 1 of 1 to create 3 special editions. Those special editions have a grand total of 38.

It seem's the gripe people are having is a dealer "snatched up" the last of the Vipers. We know the plant is shutting down in Aug of next year. That's 10 months away. Some of these parts take months to get. I am sure Dodge has an allocation for x number of parts. I'd have to think having the opportunity to have the remaining few Vipers picked up by a dealer well only 10 months to go made all the sense in the world. Connor needs to know exactly what Vipers are going to be built and what parts are going to be needed. Waiting until spring 2017 is not an option.

When rumors started 12 months ago that 2017 was it, I was HOPING they would build Vipers up until the end of Dec 2017. It would have been better for me and a lot of people I am sure. I was planning on getting an order in Spring 2017 for late 2017 pickup. As the 2016 model year came to a close and 2017 ramped up it was VERY CLEAR orders would not stay open long. It was a math game. The second Dodge announced 248 "Special Editions" and 223 of those being ACR spec back in June and pretty much all of them being spoken for within minutes of ordering being opened that should have been everyones green light to shit or get off the pot.

Want to blame someone? Blame Dodge for making 248 special editions taking away from 1 of 1 allocations.

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[Martin]

Honestly, I have nothing personal against Gerry Wood Dodge or FCA, but I do think the situation is a little shady. I've talked to dealers, and this situation was not well communicated. If FCA had notified all the dealers that an interested party was about to snatch up all the remaining production capacity, and told the dealers that they had X amount of time to contact their customers and get their orders in, that would have been the right thing to do. There were a lot of people out there going through the back-and-forth one-of-one process of getting color chips, approving them, etc. Many of those orders got cancelled - and that is shitty to say the least. These customers and dealers were playing by the rules - "sold order" cars, following the somewhat complicated and time consuming one-of-one process as mandated by FCA, and they got hosed.

From what I'm hearing from several sources, the GW deal was not communicated to the dealers - they all got blindsided by it. That put them in a bad situation - they now have pissed off customers, and the customers have to go to an unfamiliar non-local dealer to do a deal.

Sure, everyone "should have seen the writing on the wall" but that really isn't realistic. We've all seen rumors of "the end of the world" so many times that we take it with a grain of salt. If FCA had sent an official and strongly worded notice to the dealers of what was about to happen, and given them time to contact customers, this whole mess could have been avoided. It was just horribly mis-managed - and that is sad since it sends the Viper out on a bad note.

[Brian GTS]

^ this.

[ACRSNK]

After eight years of being a VCA member I don't feel the need to join another club. But I support Dodge by buying three NEW Vipers in the last six years over 100K each. How about you lets hear how you've supported the Viper. One used car is it?

Not even close. I have multiple cars and 2 soon to be 3 Vipers. Have owned 5 Vipers in total along with many other Dodge products. That's how I support the Viper. Now stop being so cheap and support the VOA that you like to come to and post on so often. Surely you can afford it if you have spent over $300K on Vipers in the last six years. Lol.

[Purple Haze]

Whatever happens I am proud to be a new Viper GTC owner as of June 2016. I just love my car and looking forward to my ACR I ordered! Concierge is a class act and I'm sure they are doing the best they can with all considered. Whether they go up or down in price I personally do not care my sons can sell them when I'm gone-that's why I got two! There will be plenty of ACRs out there and to have one in any combo is a treat IMO. As my one friend stated, "I've never seen one in any combo I didn't like." I have to agree with him. I hope you all get what you want. Viper is American car history!

[bkrone]

I'm honestly surprised orders were open for as long as they were. It's a bum deal for those that were debating but if some of the colors for the solid package that they show on their images are what they are ordering they aren't all that bad. Looks like they have a couple of copperhead style cars inbound. The problem with notifying others is you run the risk of the person wanting to buy all of them coming back saying nope don't want to anymore. Money talks, business is business.

[sadil]

There is a lot of concern about not being able to get a 1of1 car. Cant the non-VIN assigned Gerry Wood cars be had in any way desired? Are changes that hard to make during the VON process? If I truly wanted a 1of1 ACR my way I would be hitting up Gerry Wood right now and trying to get a VON-assigned car changed asap.

[Special Ed]

Seriously?

This may be hard for you and a few others of such stature to understand, however, not everyone can cut a check for 120k on a moments notice without some forward planning.

Moments notice? Really? It has been known for at least six months or more that 2017 was the last year of the viper. That is a long moment.

[v10viperbox]

Been on the fence about custom order but I am almost certain that they will have one close enough on the lot at some point and I will not have to wait. Good enough for me. Just glad the plant is going to be running at cap for he foreseeable future.

[Special Ed]

The irony of it is:

If Woodhouse had done it: GREAT move by Woodhouse really looking out for the Viper nation 'cause we will have a nice supply of cars and Bill P is a great guy to work with. Can't wait to see the Woodhouse special editions going to be fantastic. Way to go this is great news for the Viper nation!

If Tomball had done it: Isn't this just like Bernie trying to corner the market on Vipers. This is very upsetting because they are sooo hard to deal with. Maybe I can talk to Courtney. I heard she gives much better pricing. Can only imagine the special editions. This is bad news for the Viper nation.

But Gerry Woods did it: Who the hell do these guys think they are? The nerve.....thinking they can sell Vipers and we have never heard of them. And making their own special editions? As if they have a clue what they are doing. I was just going to pull the string on one after waiting two plus years...This is a disaster for the Viper nation. I'm getting a Vette.

I have to say, John, that when your right your right.

[Martin]

There is a lot of concern about not being able to get a 1of1 car. Cant the non-VIN assigned Gerry Wood cars be had in any way desired? Are changes that hard to make during the VON process? If I truly wanted a 1of1 ACR my way I would be hitting up Gerry Wood right now and trying to get a VON-assigned car changed asap.

That was my understanding - I was told that the order could be changed as long as a VIN was not yet assigned and the car wasn't in D status. The only reason I have some confidence that this is true is that I was on the fence about a few options, and I was told that I could make changes between when the car was initially accepted and the VIN was assigned. Of course, I knew that I ran the risk of the changes being declined because someone else might have ordered the same thing, but that was more of an administrative issue than anything else.

I think right now, GW might be afraid that their orders will get kicked out of the system if they try to make any changes. I know of a few people that did make changes, and that is what caused their orders to get kicked out of the system. Once you make a change, even if you have an approved order, you go into unapproved status until the order is re-approved. Right now, if you go into unapproved status, you're going to get kicked out of the system.

[Murpowa]

Moments notice? Really? It has been known for at least six months or more that 2017 was the last year of the viper. That is a long moment.

Yes, as others have previously stated, who would have known that orders would have been opened and closed in less than a few months. Typically, you think you'd be able to order through 2017...

[ACRucrazy]

Yes, as others have previously stated, who would have known that orders would have been opened and closed in less than a few months. Typically, you think you'd be able to order through 2017...

Typically you would be able to.

Typically 200+ Vipers of the final year don't "sell out within 40 minutes"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/04/autos/dodge-viper/

With 2016 total production of being what? 600 give or take? And 1/3 of that sold in minutes for 2017 along with all the others who wanted to get in on the final year it really didn't take much thought to know the door could close at any time.

Just look at the hints have been dropped for those who haven't been following along.

8 weeks ago


We have one each of the most sought after Limited Models ( one 1:28, one Vooodoo, and one GTSR), and of course we have allocation to order a One of One. Though no one knows for sure when the ordering process will end, it is easy to extrapolate the numbers in already and take note that the cars will likely fill the estimated Production capabilities before this year is out. Logically, unlike most years, they will not request excess parts from suppliers and they can not extend the build time since the Plant is closing. Even upping production has virtually no chance ,as training new employees for a very short term is not viable. Hope that answers your question.

6 weeks ago


This should alleviate the rumors of a set date for orders to cease of August 31st that has been stated from some Dealers. Kuniskis mentioning that the Plant is booked through March does give everyone a reasonable and reliable statement of how rapidly sales are going, though.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/woodward-dream-cruise/2016/08/18/dodge-viper-owners-frustrated-cars-demise/88979454/


3 weeks ago

Plant is being shut down, so like any company Dodge/SRT will need to have completion of the build process done by then. As noted by Tim Kuniskis last month build out is factored through March. There have been quite a few orders since then so it is not unlikely that the Viper will be sold out for production in the relatively near future. Sadil is correct, base models are in super low supply , but of course they would be higher than 85K as Dodge often posts pricing not including shipping and gas guzzler -- so add $5095. Least expensive 2017 SRT incoming or in stock is around 94K going up to 107K. There are around 27 2016s out there.

Be happy to help anyone acquire one of those if they are interested.......heh, it's my job to ask,hehe.


Martin ,

There is no Jan. 1st mandatory cutoff date. No date has been set by SRT/Dodge, yet heck for all we know things could happen sooner......



Etc etc..

[Murpowa]

So in other words, you would have had to stalk this forum as none of that information was "sticky" or publicly announced.

In the end, it is what it is...

[Martin2000GTS]

Honestly, I have nothing personal against Gerry Wood Dodge or FCA, but I do think the situation is a little shady. I've talked to dealers, and this situation was not well communicated. If FCA had notified all the dealers that an interested party was about to snatch up all the remaining production capacity, and told the dealers that they had X amount of time to contact their customers and get their orders in, that would have been the right thing to do. There were a lot of people out there going through the back-and-forth one-of-one process of getting color chips, approving them, etc. Many of those orders got cancelled - and that is shitty to say the least. These customers and dealers were playing by the rules - "sold order" cars, following the somewhat complicated and time consuming one-of-one process as mandated by FCA, and they got hosed.

From what I'm hearing from several sources, the GW deal was not communicated to the dealers - they all got blindsided by it. That put them in a bad situation - they now have pissed off customers, and the customers have to go to an unfamiliar non-local dealer to do a deal.

Sure, everyone "should have seen the writing on the wall" but that really isn't realistic. We've all seen rumors of "the end of the world" so many times that we take it with a grain of salt. If FCA had sent an official and strongly worded notice to the dealers of what was about to happen, and given them time to contact customers, this whole mess could have been avoided. It was just horribly mis-managed - and that is sad since it sends the Viper out on a bad note.

100% with you.

[ACRucrazy]

So in other words, you would have had to stalk this forum as none of that information was "sticky" or publicly announced.

In the end, it is what it is...


No, you just had to pay attention to what was going on and realize the last year of the Viper was going to be popular and plant closes in August. Understanding that its a hand built Viper, made in low quantities and nearly half of those were sold as "Special Edition" by Dodge. It really wasn't tough to know the end was coming sooner than later. I wanted a warning. A heads up. I wanted to wait to order. But after poking around, trying to get an answer from someone on the forums I realized know one had them to share here.

It was just clear that the orders would fill quickly and there were only so many slots available for the hand built car.