How much do you think the new ACR will depreciate

[Boosted Motorsports]

Curious how much/fast you guys think the new Gen 5 ACR will depreciate?

Gen 4 ACRs seem to be in the $70k-$80k range

I'd like to keep my current ACR and add the Gen 5 in my garage in the next few years im hoping.

Wondering if it will be in the 90-100k range in two years? Thoughts?

[SnakeWatching]

I do not own one (yet) - I am assuming that "of all the Gen 5's" ACR's will depreciate the least.

Of course I would like a lower price to get an ACR, but I have a feeling, I will never see that "Lower Price"

[BJG32]

I think you will be able to find the regular ACR below $100k. ACR-E should hold it's value pretty well with Viper going away after next year. Of course that all depends on options/miles/accidents.

One ACR-E was just sold used with about 500 miles for $121k. $140k MSRP.

[13COBRA]

3-4 years they'll be around $100k with <5k miles for a standard ACR with the ACR-E's demanding a $15-20k premium.

[Dman]

Depends on base or E.

I already missed out on a base that went for $97k, it had less than 1k miles on it, was one day late on getting my cash together. Tried for an E that went for $118k, but it had stripes. There have been a couple other E's with $130-135k MSRPs asking in the $121k range, so I'd say we've already seen below $100k for a barely used base, but Es I think will go a solid $10-20k more depending on stripes and GTC possible options, thru this year any way. If the past is any evidence, the values will continue to slide nicely for buyers. I know,some will argue with discontinuation prices will rise, i'all believe that when it happens, IMO SRTs reputation is slipping, engine assembly errors, not honoring warranties for known defects, and the vipers inexplicable and constant under-valuation for what it is, all should keep status quo of marked depreciation as always.

The resale market just has to wait for the guys buying ACRs who didn't know what they were really getting and immediately want out because they burned their taint on a side sill, or can't hear their white snake songs clearly enough on the 3 speakers.

[swexlin]

The resale market just has to wait for the guys buying ACRs who didn't know what they were really getting and immediately want out because they burned their taint on a side sill, or can't hear their white snake songs clearly enough on the 3 speakers.

That's funny as shit! You just made my day!

[skydeals]

I would agree with BJG32 and 13COBRA... I have been a high end used car dealer for the last 25 years.. I have no crystal ball, but I would say in 2 to 4 years the 2016-17 ACR would be around $ 95 k to $ 105 K ,, with ACR-E bringing $ 115 K to $ 125 K depending on the options, and miles ,,,, but with this beeing the final year and the ACR having such great reviews you never know what will happen in the long term future.... If its any help.. I am a used car Dealer and I still bought a brand new ACR-E this year..Just love it and love the 1 of 1 program...To me its worth paying a little bit more to design the car just the way you want it and having the thrill and privilege of picking it up at the Conner factory and meeting the guys that built your car... ( priceless)..... ... Skydeals

[13COBRA]

^^

I wish I would've been in the position to order a new one (coming from a Ford dealer).

[ViperJon]

I think you will be able to find the regular ACR below $100k. ACR-E should hold it's value pretty well with Viper going away after next year. Of course that all depends on options/miles/accidents.

One ACR-E was just sold used with about 500 miles for $121k. $140k MSRP.

That car was purchased at a good price and the buyer used a 15K coupon, don't hold your breathe waiting for another at that fire sale price. He wasn't into it nearly as much as most.

[Martin]

My (possibly irrational) guess is that SRT will want this upcoming summer to be the "summer of Viper" and send it off with a huge bang. They still haven't done another pass at the 'Ring, and I'll wager they have other things up their sleeves. Then, when people realize they can't get one anymore, that will support the prices for some time to come.

I'm not planning on ever selling mine, but you never know - unexpected things happen, and it's entirely possible to be forced to sell.

Another thing to keep in mind is the "half life of Vipers". These cars tend to get wrecked, and the fewer there are on the marketplace, the more the prices are supported.

[BJG32]

That car was purchased at a good price and the buyer used a 15K coupon, don't hold your breathe waiting for another at that fire sale price. He wasn't into it nearly as much as most.

That makes more sense!

[uberpube]

I haven't even gotten my car yet and I had an offer for more than I paid for it, which was MSRP.

[Martin]

I haven't even gotten my car yet and I had an offer for more than I paid for it, which was MSRP.

Well, that's super encouraging! I have a gut feel that these cars will do just fine (as long as we don't crash them...).

[ACR Extreme]

The ACR - E should do well.

Fastest thing out there end of an era raw purpose built track car.

17's will be worth more than the 16's last year always carries a higher value.

918 buyers were getting them at 650k got great deals same with the P1 both are now double Ford GT list goes on.

GT3RS is selling 50k over so is the GT350R etc.

Personally hope they tank and get driven vs feather dusted - my guess many Special Editions will be mothballed.

[Dman]

That car was purchased at a good price and the buyer used a 15K coupon, don't hold your breathe waiting for another at that fire sale price. He wasn't into it nearly as much as most.

Oh I know, but that was just one. I was chasing 2 ACREs, same price point, similar MSRPs. Just saying. We'll see, maybe for the first time ever prices will reflect the real value of the car, I'm just not holding my breath.

[Dman]

I haven't even gotten my car yet and I had an offer for more than I paid for it, which was MSRP.

Canada economy on vipers is rough. New ones can be found here at invoice, there have been several of those sitting on lots, which IMO is awesome for the car. Imagine buying at invoice and a $15k coupon, deal of the century for the car you get.

[Darius]

Depending on if you want all the options, carbon int, exterior, stripes etc. Fully loaded one at 100k I doubt it.

[Eugene Lee]

I feel the ACR-E will hold value!

seem to be the only true track car out of the box, and no more Vipers after 2017

[Batmobile]

I think the 2016-2017 acr and the acr e will hold it value pretty good since it's the last you will prolly see a street car in this form, even if doge remade the viper it's not gonna have a stick it will be an auto and I would really surprised if a v10 was made again with turbos really starting to hit the market and electric cars being right around the corner, This viper is the last of the true muscle cars with a stick and a big engine. Also the 1of1 program cars will each hold their own values to each individual since when you find a car you like you won't find another one like it

[Boosted Motorsports]

I agree with everything said for sure. I just picked up my 2000 ACR about a month ago and will be a few years before I get even remotely bored with that! The new Gen V though are in a totally different league though and for once hearing magazines and reviews finally praise the viper is definitely even more incentive.

As for the Nurburgring I don't think you will see any more "lap record" attempts. Check out the Koenigsegg movie called "APEX" on Netflix. They tried to do a lap record with their new car and after a Skyline crashed and killed some people they put speed restrictions on the course now apparently...

[uberpube]

I look at the ACR as the Plymouth Superbird/Dodge Daytona of the modern day. The big question is, will the next generations appreciate cars like I do(gen x)and older generations have. Maybe I should be Mothballing X-boxes and I-phones instead.

[bigmacsmallfries]

I look at the ACR as the Plymouth Superbird/Dodge Daytona of the modern day. The big question is, will the next generations appreciate cars like I do(gen x)and older generations have. Maybe I should be Mothballing X-boxes and I-phones instead.

Funny you mention this, I used this car as my prime example as to the value of the ACR in the future which are going to be far more limited in production numbers.

Back to my post...

Even though you can look at data points from the past which suggest the car will depreciate, the ACR is the first Viper with significant hype, great reviews all around, the first car to look extremely similar to an actual racecar, possibly the last american v10, possibly last manual in a Viper, in addition to possibly being the last long hood design.

I think there's going to be minimal price depreciation, followed by appreciation after production ends next year.

[Mark1107]

Quote Originally Posted by BJG32 View Post
I think you will be able to find the regular ACR below $100k. ACR-E should hold it's value pretty well with Viper going away after next year. Of course that all depends on options/miles/accidents.

One ACR-E was just sold used with about 500 miles for $121k. $140k MSRP.
That car was purchased at a good price and the buyer used a 15K coupon, don't hold your breathe waiting for another at that fire sale price. He wasn't into it nearly as much as most.

Interesting. I bought that fire sale bad boy! 20k discount for 500 miles, no track use! Full stripes package.

[NT-ACR]

I agree with everything said for sure. I just picked up my 2000 ACR about a month ago and will be a few years before I get even remotely bored with that! The new Gen V though are in a totally different league though and for once hearing magazines and reviews finally praise the viper is definitely even more incentive.

As for the Nurburgring I don't think you will see any more "lap record" attempts. Check out the Koenigsegg movie called "APEX" on Netflix. They tried to do a lap record with their new car and after a Skyline crashed and killed some people they put speed restrictions on the course now apparently...

Oh, geez. It's so wonderful when people spread outdated information. First of all, at least in the states, the R35 generation car (which is what crashed and caused the ban) is simply called the "GT-R", not "Skyline". Second, the speed limit, which was put in place in March of last year, has been lifted since April 2nd of this year.

[ViperJon]

Interesting. I bought that fire sale bad boy! 20k discount for 500 miles, no track use! Full stripes package.

Worked out well all around. You got a like new car and he sold a used car and probably made money on it.

[Boosted Motorsports]

Oh, geez. It's so wonderful when people spread outdated information. First of all, at least in the states, the R35 generation car (which is what crashed and caused the ban) is simply called the "GT-R", not "Skyline". Second, the speed limit, which was put in place in March of last year, has been lifted since April 2nd of this year.

That's like saying that the SRT Viper is not a Dodge Viper... It's the same damn thing! Second, if you want to be politically correct; the Nurburgring Ring isn't in the United States so why would it abide by the nameplate in US? Quit trying to be a keyboard warrior!

Thanks for the updated info on the Nurburgring ring good to hear!

[Boosted Motorsports]

Back on topic there seems to be several ACRs on ebay currently for sub MSRP prices...

[SSGNRDZ_28]

I think it is normal for most any car to be sold +/- MSRP, you'll have some that were sold marked up and some at a discount to MSRP. I'm not really sure that's an indicator of anything other than the ACR has been out for a year now and you can still order your own spec at or under MSRP if you desire. If ordering closes you might see that change. Right now there is still an "unlimited" supply.

I'm sure the ACRs will depreciate to a point and eventually the prices will start to hold or rise again. What that time frame is and how much the deprecation will be I'm not going to guess. If more people start to catch on and ordering closes you might see the supply dry up and prices solidify. In addition, I would think if you have a unique and desirable 1 of 1 combo, find the right buyer, and aren't in a hurry to sell you could demand a premium over the average market price just due to the fact that there's only 1 (or only a few, but probably not on the market at the same time) of any given unique paint combo. Will there be a new Viper, what is it, etc. etc. Also if we have another recession I wouldn't expect prices to rise on any car so there are a lot of variables to consider, I'm there will be some good deals out there eventually.

[dmann]

Help me understand why the extreme will be worth 15K more than a base when the extreme option is 6900?

[Voice of Reason]

I do not think the used market will be kind to the non extreme ACR, but that's because I personally don't understand the point of it. Worse visibility out the rear window, no cool vents over the front tires, and no cool rear diffuser. That car doesn't check a single box for me.

I expect ACR Es to depreciate quickly over the next 3 years, at which point I will buy a gently never raced specimen, and then values will skyrocket! That's my forecast.

[Boosted Motorsports]

I do not think the used market will be kind to the non extreme ACR, but that's because I personally don't understand the point of it. Worse visibility out the rear window, no cool vents over the front tires, and no cool rear diffuser. That car doesn't check a single box for me.

I expect ACR Es to depreciate quickly over the next 3 years, at which point I will buy a gently never raced specimen, and then values will skyrocket! That's my forecast.

What is the difference that makes a non extreme have worse visibility?

[Martin]

What is the difference that makes a non extreme have worse visibility?

This is just one man's recollection of the specs - but I think the regular ACR has a smaller rear wing and it is a bit lower. The lower wing would probably obstruct the view out the rear. But, I may be wrong about that - I know for sure that the TA 2.0 wing is much lower, but I'm only vaguely sure the regular ACR has the lower stanchions.

[Nine Ball]

This is just one man's recollection of the specs - but I think the regular ACR has a smaller rear wing and it is a bit lower. The lower wing would probably obstruct the view out the rear. But, I may be wrong about that - I know for sure that the TA 2.0 wing is much lower, but I'm only vaguely sure the regular ACR has the lower stanchions.

The most obstruction comes from the short TA wing. It eats up about 1/3 of the bottom view of the rear window. The ACR-E has the least obstruction, you can't even see the wing out of the back window. I haven't sat in a TA2.0 or ACR base yet.

[v10viperbox]

Help me understand why the extreme will be worth 15K more than a base when the extreme option is 6900?

Look at the difference between Gen IV ACR and the standard Coupe or convertible. The ACR is the big dog and it is simply more desirable. Plus significantly less of them tend to get made.

[Coloviper]

The most obstruction comes from the short TA wing. It eats up about 1/3 of the bottom view of the rear window. The ACR-E has the least obstruction, you can't even see the wing out of the back window. I haven't sat in a TA2.0 or ACR base yet.

Whatsa behind you, doesn't matter!

[dmann]

Look at the difference between Gen IV ACR and the standard Coupe or convertible. The ACR is the big dog and it is simply more desirable. Plus significantly less of them tend to get made.

Both the base and Extreme are ACRs. The extreme just has a diff hood, front splitter, another canard, and the rear diffuser, and bigger rear wing.

[ViperJon]

Both the base and Extreme are ACRs. The extreme just has a diff hood, front splitter, another canard, and the rear diffuser, and bigger rear wing.

Oh that's all? :)

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

Well I Got The Base ACR, And The Rear View Is Just Fine, You Can't Even See The Wing , Only Ducking Down You Can See The Bottom Of It, In My View The Base ACR Is A T/A On Steroids , The Base Will Be The Rare Dog , So Ha Ha , They Built A Small Handful Of Bases, To The Huge # Of Extremes , And Now That's All There Building, Buy The Time There Worth More , We Will All Be In Wheel Chairs Any Way, So Don't Bank On It , LOL..:dancingman:

[Boosted Motorsports]

I get the feeling all of these higher models TA, Base ACR, Extreme ACR; are going to drive the price of a regular GTS into the ground!

[Policy Limits]

The models: Extremes & Special Editions
The Value: King's Ransom
When: 10-15 years after 2017

[BrianACR]

I get the feeling all of these higher models TA, Base ACR, Extreme ACR; are going to drive the price of a regular GTS into the ground!

Maybe that means one day I'll be able to afford a G5!!!

[Bruce H.]

I think appreciating TA values will help prop up ACR prices...and the other way around should be true as well :)

[Sub Driver]

That's like saying that the SRT Viper is not a Dodge Viper... It's the same damn thing! Second, if you want to be politically correct; the Nurburgring Ring isn't in the United States so why would it abide by the nameplate in US? Quit trying to be a keyboard warrior!

Thanks for the updated info on the Nurburgring ring good to hear!
Actually it is not the same thing. The GTR is completely different from the Skyline which was only sold in Japan and similar to our Infinity G series. Even in Japan they have separated into two different models. It is no longer the same as when the Skyline had different variants to include the GTR (GT-T, GTR, Vspec, etc).

[Special Ed]

The most obstruction comes from the short TA wing. It eats up about 1/3 of the bottom view of the rear window. The ACR-E has the least obstruction, you can't even see the wing out of the back window. I haven't sat in a TA2.0 or ACR base yet.
The TA 1 has a spoiler the TA 2 has a wing and it doesn't,t obstruct your view at all.

[NT-ACR]

That's like saying that the SRT Viper is not a Dodge Viper... It's the same damn thing! Second, if you want to be politically correct; the Nurburgring Ring isn't in the United States so why would it abide by the nameplate in US? Quit trying to be a keyboard warrior!

Thanks for the updated info on the Nurburgring ring good to hear!

Lol. Still not doing any research and yet acting like you know everything. Go look up the Skyline and you'll be enlightened. I can promise you it is most definitely not "the same damn thing".

[dmann]

Well I Got The Base ACR, And The Rear View Is Just Fine, You Can't Even See The Wing , Only Ducking Down You Can See The Bottom Of It, In My View The Base ACR Is A T/A On Steroids , The Base Will Be The Rare Dog , So Ha Ha , They Built A Small Handful Of Bases, To The Huge # Of Extremes , And Now That's All There Building, Buy The Time There Worth More , We Will All Be In Wheel Chairs Any Way, So Don't Bank On It , LOL..:dancingman:

Thats the way I'm seeing it too :)
Man does that look good!

[Boosted Motorsports]

Lol. Still not doing any research and yet acting like you know everything. Go look up the Skyline and you'll be enlightened. I can promise you it is most definitely not "the same damn thing".

Yes you are so righteous. The Skyline has no relation or heritage to a GTR. The SRT Viper also has no association with a Dodge Viper. Completely different. Don't call a SRT a Dodge for fear NT-ACR will call you out! :monkeyleft:

[Terminator02]

Fact is no one knows. There will be depreciation, the question is to what extent and for how long. I see acre values holding quite well but the people who think they will be some appreciating asset aren't thinking realistically.

The reason they are already showing up used is likely due to people realizing it's too hardcore for the owner. As a former gen ll ACR owner I wouldn't go into an ACRE. It's too much car for me. There are people like me that are going to want different versions. There are benefits to basically every model in my opinion.

People are hyper focused on the track records set right now but the SRT TA held the record at Laguna prior. Maybe the mid engine corvette takes all the track records back in a year or two? Who knows.

Buy what ya can afford and enjoy it. It's just a car. If you want appreciating assets you can enjoy then go buy 15 Rolex Daytonas. I promise you they will appreciate in value and you can wear them.

[ViperDC]

Gen 4 ACRs seem to be in the $70k-$80k range


More like $60-70k

[Martin]

More like $60-70k

It's hard to compare depreciation of the Gen IV ACR to the Gen V. In 2012, when I crashed my Gen IV ACR, the values had skyrocketed because everyone thought it was the last ACR (and maybe the last of the Vipers). The minute the Gen V was announced, Gen IV ACR prices started dropping. Then, when the Gen V ACR was unveiled, the bottom kind of fell out of the market for Gen IV ACRs. I have a feeling that will turn around when production actually stops and no new Vipers are to be had - that will bolster the prices of all Vipers. The ACR, especially, will likely hang in there value wise - I'm pretty sure SRT will pull one more rabbit out of its hat right before the car is retired for good. They will send it off in a way that people remember. In my eyes, it's going to be an instant classic - I could be wrong, but it has a lot going for it in that direction.

[Pappy]

I'm pretty sure SRT will pull one more rabbit out of its hat right before the car is retired for good. They will send it off in a way that people remember.

A Nurburgring record would do it for me!

Pappy

[gcrain]

Curious how much/fast you guys think the new Gen 5 ACR will depreciate?


This question has become so dependent on the resolution of the spun bearing issue that I find it to depressing to think about.

[commandomatt]

I think there will two different categories of used ACR's in a few years. Those that have been tracked and those that have not.

This is not to start an argument about the ACR being a track car and it should be used as intended, nor whether or not some of the tracked cars are better maintained etc.

It comes down to perception and many, myself included, would not consider a track car if buying used.

Many, maybe even the majority, of these cars are in fact being bought to be used more or less on the track. Apparently there are a fair amount of track guys buying these, switching from other brands, due to its impressive performance right out of the gate.

That said, it's possible that in 5-10 years, that the non tracked cars will be far and few in-between and may be worth a bit more

[dewilmoth]

I think there will two different categories of used ACR's in a few years. Those that have been tracked and those that have not.

This is not to start an argument about the ACR being a track car and it should be used as intended, nor whether or not some of the tracked cars are better maintained etc.

It comes down to perception and many, myself included, would not consider a track car if buying used.

Many, maybe even the majority, of these cars are in fact being bought to be used more or less on the track. Apparently there are a fair amount of track guys buying these, switching from other brands, due to its impressive performance right out of the gate.

That said, it's possible that in 5-10 years, that the non tracked cars will be far and few in-between and may be worth a bit more

Bingo! My thoughts exactly.

[darbgnik]

I think there will two different categories of used ACR's in a few years. Those that have been tracked and those that have not.

This is not to start an argument about the ACR being a track car and it should be used as intended, nor whether or not some of the tracked cars are better maintained etc.

It comes down to perception and many, myself included, would not consider a track car if buying used.

Many, maybe even the majority, of these cars are in fact being bought to be used more or less on the track. Apparently there are a fair amount of track guys buying these, switching from other brands, due to its impressive performance right out of the gate.

That said, it's possible that in 5-10 years, that the non tracked cars will be far and few in-between and may be worth a bit more

Maybe, but in 5-10 years, what proof will there be of track use, if a guy details the car, changes the tires, and the rotors look good?

I track my car extensively, but I'm not sure you could spot it, if my brakes and tires were new........ Even the new Team tech harness bar holds the lap belts now, so you wouldn't know about them by checking the carpet for cuts.


Even further down the road, condition will be the determining factor, not use. I wonder how many passes my 70 Charger did on the strip in it's day....... never mind, I don't care. lol