Detroit Auto Show: ACR or roadster?

[Canadian venom]

NAIAS in a week , what are your predictions: Will we see the introduction of the ACR or the new roadster?

http://www.torquenews.com/106/new-dodge-challenger-concept-or-srt-viper-roadster-could-steal-show-detroit

[johniew398]

I think Ralph said the roadster wouldn't come out for about 21 months. Reading the article I wouldn't be surprised at some point if they bring back the ACR; but the author is saying they will wait to see what the C7 Z06 has before bringing back the ACR. That's interesting in that I believe the TA would already beat anything Chevy does to the C7 Z06. Besides the ACR was always in competition with the ZR1, not the Z06.

[mnc2886]

I've been thinking all along that we'll see the ACR at the 2014 NYIAS. Ralph stated a while back that the ACR will come before the roadster. However, if an ACR was unveiled at Detroit, it would sure steal some thunder.

[V10LEE]

It makes sense for them to wait for the C7 Z06 to come out first,and then move forward with the new ACR. The new Z06 is rumored to have between 650-670 hp, with big carbon ceramic brakes,and new aero..

[ACRucrazy]

Agreed. I would rather see SRT wait and trump the Corvette. A roadster could help Viper sales no doubt. We already have SRT, GTS and TA coupe, no need for an ACR just yet IMO.

[Schen]

I don't think anything will be at Detroit. Chrysler's biggest market the last few years has been the tri-state area. So as far as debuts for anything new I would bet my bottom dollar it would happen here. (Durango, Grand Cherokee, Cherokee, Mopar Charger, Avenger, Viper have all taken place at NYIAS, Challenger was at Chicago and Philly)

Don't forget...Z06 isn't to far away. My bet would be that being the 'biggest surprise' at NAIAS. Along with the C7.R's official debut just before the 24 at Daytona.

--RS

[CHAP]

Maybe both :dude3:

[viperdan]

The ZO6 could have 900hp, if they don't change up the a$$ end and some other cosmetic aspects of the car I wouldn't buy it...end of story.

[Troublemaker]

The ZO6 could have 900hp, if they don't change up the a$$ end and some other cosmetic aspects of the car I wouldn't buy it...end of story.

I don't see that. The Z06 has always been their track car and for that reason I think we will see a very healthy, high tech NA motor. 900hp would take some form of FI which leads to heat soak. To me the Z06 was always the all around better performer with the ZR1 having the bragging rights. Lets face it, these cars are being built for track times, that's all anyone seems to compare anymore. High HP means very little anymore, it's all about the complete packages and the track isn't opposed to showing a cars faults, it lives for it. Too much power that can't be properly applied to the chassis is just for egos.

[Policy Limits]

Ralph said 21 months from when on roadster? We already have two production years of the gen V. IMO they need something new for 2015. I'd consider upgrading my GTS coupe to a roadster or ACR, which ever is made 1st.

Lots of new cool stuff coming out with similar price point; the competition has never been stiffer

[VRYALT3R3D]

The Z06 is going to steal the show.

The Gen IV ACR sold in very limited quantities. I can see Chrysler releasing the 'vert before the ACR because it will be more profitable. Ralph made it clear in his MT interview that the ACR wont be available for the 2015MY and that the Cuda wont be happening. A Challenger refresh is what is coming. Maybe a track version.

[Policy Limits]

Isn't the new camaro the same price as the new corvette? Smh

Good point on the ACR; there's still "new" ones listed that haven't sold since 2010 lol

[VRYALT3R3D]

Isn't the new camaro the same price as the new corvette? Smh

Good point on the ACR; there's still "new" ones listed that haven't sold since 2010 lol

There is a local dealer that still has a new 2008 coupe lol.

[Policy Limits]

Wow that's 6 years old; is it still listed for the same price it had 6 years ago?

Wonder what will happen to all of the unsold 13's? Probably the same thing?

[viperdan]

I don't see that. The Z06 has always been their track car and for that reason I think we will see a very healthy, high tech NA motor. 900hp would take some form of FI which leads to heat soak. To me the Z06 was always the all around better performer with the ZR1 having the bragging rights. Lets face it, these cars are being built for track times, that's all anyone seems to compare anymore. High HP means very little anymore, it's all about the complete packages and the track isn't opposed to showing a cars faults, it lives for it. Too much power that can't be properly applied to the chassis is just for egos.

I think you missed my point, to me the C7 is a butt ugly video game car designed by a 12 year old. I scrutinize the car and see dozens of faults so even if it had 900hp I wouldn't buy it unless they changed quite a few things.

[HOLLYWOOD]

I think you missed my point, to me the C7 is a butt ugly video game car designed by a 12 year old. I scrutinize the car and see dozens of faults so even if it had 900hp I wouldn't buy it unless they changed quite a few things.

Actually Dan you need to take off your rose colored glasses and be a little more open minded. GM has actually done a pretty darn good job cranking out a mass produced car that can run with the Viper. A 650 -700 Horsespower Z06 will kill our cherished Vipers and hand our a$$ to us on a platter. Open your eyes Viperdan as the competition is a lot tougher than you really can see or would want to admit.

[ViperSmith]

Actually Dan you need to take off your rose colored glasses and be a little more open minded. GM has actually done a pretty darn good job cranking out a mass produced car that can run with the Viper. A 650 -700 Horsespower Z06 will kill our cherished Vipers and hand our a$$ to us on a platter. Open your eyes Viperdan as the competition is a lot tougher than you really can see or would want to admit.

The Z06 will not be 700HP, the Z07 did very well with only 505 - you don't need super HP to kill tracks, I don't know why people think you do.

Anyway, this is about the ACR, we will see what if anything SRT cranks out early this year. I hope to see the ACR, but doubtufl.

[Smog Dog]

Ralph said 21 months from when on roadster? We already have two production years of the gen V. IMO they need something new for 2015. I'd consider upgrading my GTS coupe to a roadster or ACR, which ever is made 1st.

Lots of new cool stuff coming out with similar price point; the competition has never been stiffer

I don't think a convertible is an upgrade over a coupe---just a matter of individual choice or preference.

Bill

[Policy Limits]

Weren't 40% of orders in the last gen for the vert?

Maybe upgrade was the wrong word; change is really what I meant.

Hope it's a targa top but I suppose it will be a vert.

[Troublemaker]

I think you missed my point, to me the C7 is a butt ugly video game car designed by a 12 year old. I scrutinize the car and see dozens of faults so even if it had 900hp I wouldn't buy it unless they changed quite a few things.

I didn't miss the point, I chose to overlook it. Somebody else will by the car you don't, the Corvette always sells well. I agree on the ass end of the car, it's the part that I don't like either.

[johniew398]

I hope it is at least two years before they roll out an ACR if they do.

[slitherv10]

SC ZO6 was something that GM has hinted at as well as a twin turbo ZR1 with @ 750 HP

[XSnake]

Vert will come before ACR

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A new color (not the blue) will also be announced soon

[viperdan]

I didn't miss the point, I chose to overlook it. Somebody else will by the car you don't, the Corvette always sells well. I agree on the ass end of the car, it's the part that I don't like either.

And someone will marry the porn star too, not me though. You're correct in that someone will always buy the Corvette, the new C7 in my eyes is a joke! Sadly the public seems to feel that way of our beloved Gen V so it goes to show how subjective a subject it can be.

[viperdan]

Actually Dan you need to take off your rose colored glasses and be a little more open minded. GM has actually done a pretty darn good job cranking out a mass produced car that can run with the Viper. A 650 -700 Horsespower Z06 will kill our cherished Vipers and hand our a$$ to us on a platter. Open your eyes Viperdan as the competition is a lot tougher than you really can see or would want to admit.

Actually Hollywood no I don't! I never said the competition isn't tough, I did say that I think the C7 is a joke. FYI in my garage is a 2013 427 vert which in essence is a ZO6 w/out the aluminum frame and roof. I like the car a lot but I have not drank the C7 Kool-Aid nor will I. Having crawled all over the C7 I can't figure out why anyone would buy it and I'm mot just referring to the styling, the fit and finish sucks, the interior is average at best, the LT1 is a nice motor but not much more than the LS3 was and certainly not an LS7. You're entitled to your opinion as am I, for me if I buy another Corvette it will be a C8 if the car survives until then. GM as a company is a bunch of frauds, it's a shame the morons running it ran it into the ground. And here is a tidbit for you, the C7 and the Z28 were at the Ring in the fall, they announced the Z time to be around 7:37 on a wet track yet no one has ever heard what the C7 has done, my guess is b/c it was unflattering.

[ACRucrazy]

Vert will come before ACR

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A new color (not the blue) will also be announced soon

"Stryker green" perhaps?

[Newport Viper]

Got to sell some Coupes before they will bring the Vert. My guess is SRT will wait until they see how the sales go in the summer of this year. Just dollars and Sense..

[Policy Limits]

Better weather is only 90 days away ;)

[rw99]

Challenger refresh with the Hellcat.

[72hemi]

I don't think there will be any announcements from SRT, so any hopes of the next generation Challenger or Viper model will probably be at NY in April.

[SWEEN]

They would of already hinted at it to hype it up if they were going to unveil it. My guess is that they won't.

[Capt Van]

Just my 2 cents worth but if I was a betting kind of guy, I'd put my money on a Viper Light (with V8 Hemi) before the ACR or Vert.

[Crotalidae]

Going w/ vert...

[Policy Limits]

Totally disagree Cap. I'm betting vert before ACR and bet there will never be a baby snake (thank God)

[cashcorn]

Wanting to see a vert myself..

[mnc2886]

Totally disagree Cap. I'm betting vert before ACR and bet there will never be a baby snake (thank God)

I'm pretty sure Ralph said the ACR would be before the vert. I need to look for that though.

[Policy Limits]

He specifically said the opposite. Then again it didn't seem as though he was in a hurry to make the vert.

[ViperSRT]

Hmm, just hmmm.

[brianmakse]

I don't have any facts, but my gut says no new Viper variant in Detroit - but if there is, it'll be the roadster.

[ViperGeorge]

I don't have any facts, but my gut says no new Viper variant in Detroit - but if there is, it'll be the roadster.

Ralph showed a full vert at the last VOI. Ok, a artist's rendering of one anyway. My bet is the next car to launch will be a full convertible with 12 million horsepower.

[ViperSmith]

I'm pretty sure Ralph said the ACR would be before the vert. I need to look for that though.

Lots of things change though. They may switch gears and crank out a Vert to help sales.

Can't run a business on something you said over a year before ;)

[slitherv10]

It would make no sense at all business wise to bring out the top gun (ACR) at this point as Chevy looks like they want to play the waiting game. I will do the same and bring out the ACR after and only after the ZR1 is in the works and tested. At this point the TA and even the GTS can hang with anything Chevy throws at SRT, but, the only catch is, their car may cost a lot cheaper and unfortunately put some snakes in Vette seats because of it. Bang for your buck the ZO6 looks like a hands down winner at this point anyway. Testing will tell the tail of the snake.
Not fair to compare a 120K car with a 80K car. Just like its not fair to compare the Viper to a McLaren or the like.

[Policy Limits]

If GM's new camaro is 75k I wouldn't be surprised if the Z07 is 90-100k and if the ZR1 is 120-130k

[slitherv10]

Good read, but I would take this with a grain of salt. Would be nice to see though....


http://www.topspeed.com/cars/srt/2015-srt-viper-acr-ar148260.html

[brianmakse]

Good read, but I would take this with a grain of salt. Would be nice to see though....


http://www.topspeed.com/cars/srt/2015-srt-viper-acr-ar148260.html

They're smoking the same stuff as Toronto's mayor.

[Schen]

There won't be a ZR1, that title/design is used/created once a decade by GM. The Z06 is it.

Back to Cheysler, a big unveil (actually the only one I know of) at the NAIAS is the new 200.

--RS

[johniew398]

Good read, but I would take this with a grain of salt. Would be nice to see though....


http://www.topspeed.com/cars/srt/2015-srt-viper-acr-ar148260.html

Yes, definitely with a grain of salt when you read comments such as this one:

"...Considering that the previous Viper ACR offered an extra 100 horsepower over the standard version..."

Kind of interesting since my ACR had the same horsepower as regular Viper.

And if a new ACR looked like the rendering they showed? Wouldn't sell. A new ACR has to look similar to the race version to sell.

[Troublemaker]

Just my 2 cents worth but if I was a betting kind of guy, I'd put my money on a Viper Light (with V8 Hemi) before the ACR or Vert.

I have to agree. Even if this isn't the announcement, it should be. They need to compete with the base Vette with a bread and butter car.

[Rocket]

My prediction for the Viper display at the show: Carbon edition, TA, and a new color. Can't imagine they would show anything else with the current sales levels and the fact that the Corvette will be the talk of the show. Unless they have something to one-up the Vette - no reason to show anything at this time.

[mnc2886]

A vert first wouldn't help IMO. The Z06 is being debuted with the Viper in its cross hairs. SRT needs to repsond with a higher performance model. It was stated in an earnings release that the Gen V would get a refresh in 2015. That may mean more power. I think it would be a better to stick to the performance aspect of the Viper and release an ACR. A vert release with more power that is higher performance than Chevy' s Z06 would sell by an order of magnitude better.

[Bill Pemberton]

Good catch, Johnie, concerning HP, as that really nailed the lack of credibility about the article. There was no scientific monitoring of our requests concerning the next ACR or convertible, but I
can safely say that we are getting a conservative minimum of 2 times as many questions about the convertible as the ACR. Keep in mind I am an ACR owner, but if we look at past sales , it is a
logical conclusion that there would be more interest among the overall public for a topless Snake. To be very frank , I am trying to be conservative , as I honestly think it is even higher than double,
but as we are only one Dealership , I do not have a take on what everyone else is hearing -- though a couple of other Dealers I have chatted with mention they feel the same. The ACR has a very
passionate base of customers, so it is inevitable this conversation will continue to spark alot of interest and rumors.

[Policy Limits]

Bill I'd probably go round two with ya if they go topless. Would be a six figure savings if i got that instead of the Huracan. I want Crusher Orange or Stryker Green though. There's so much interest in my Adrenaline GTS that you'd probably move it with one phone call if u take it on trade lol

[mnc2886]

Good catch, Johnie, concerning HP, as that really nailed the lack of credibility about the article. There was no scientific monitoring of our requests concerning the next ACR or convertible, but I
can safely say that we are getting a conservative minimum of 2 times as many questions about the convertible as the ACR. Keep in mind I am an ACR owner, but if we look at past sales , it is a
logical conclusion that there would be more interest among the overall public for a topless Snake. To be very frank , I am trying to be conservative , as I honestly think it is even higher than double,
but as we are only one Dealership , I do not have a take on what everyone else is hearing -- though a couple of other Dealers I have chatted with mention they feel the same. The ACR has a very
passionate base of customers, so it is inevitable this conversation will continue to spark alot of interest and rumors.

How about the best of both worlds? An ACR Vert. Those sold out fast last time. :)

[Policy Limits]

Great point!! Sign me up for THAT!!!

[J TNT]

Just speculation , but my money would be on the Convertible first , from a business case point of view ,just makes sense . :car-smiley-003:

[slitherv10]

They're smoking the same stuff as Toronto's mayor.

Hey hey hey...we'll have none of that now.....besides..it was crack..:smilielol:

[Policy Limits]

How are the Roads in Canada? Are they supercar friendly?

[slitherv10]

How are the Roads in Canada? Are they supercar friendly?

Oh yes...for sure....saw a nice Merc out earlier today and a few Lambo's.

They went by pretty fast so I didn't get a chance to take a good look but. the driver did slow down to enter the inspection station and that gave me a chance to ask him where they were getting delivered.
He said somewhere down in Sunny New Englands way.