Future repairs of a Gen II Viper

[Darth Menace]

I know a lot of you guys are loaded, but this may be directed more to those average income guys such as myself. I was wondering if anyone stresses about the costs of future repairs of their viper. I enjoy driving this car, but even when I drive it I stress about the wear on the tires, and clutch, or possibility of windshield getting smashed by a rock.. Clutch I have no issues with, but I know eventually it is impending doom and costs a fortune. It makes it hard to enjoy in a way. My 69 Pontiac I can just drive to Napa and pick that part up for peanuts....obviously not the same thing with the Viper....add in the extra expenses of the Viper tax. Should I consider passing the love of this car along to another owner?

[Vprbite]

If you love the car, no. I think these cars are actually pretty cheap to maintain. There is no reason you should have to replace the clutch. They don't grenade. As long as you don't abuse it. People get a pretty long time out of a clutch. And isn't a Gen II clutch only about 1200 dollars or so? It's not like you have to do it yearly. How many miles do you have on your car? I had 30k on my 02 when I wrecked it and the clutch was fine at the time.

Do you really think the clutch is "impending doom"?

Windshield should be covered by insurance.

Tires are way cheaper than tires for my truck now.

I replaced my front shocks with a set of take offs from Jon B that were basically brand new and I think cost less than 700 with install.

I think if you keep up on your maintenence, components last a lot longer. And I consider myself far from "loaded." Especially lately. But if you are that worried all the time, this car is owning you. It's supposed to be fun. Enjoy it. These cars actually handle miles pretty good.

[Fatboy 18]

Clutch is one of the cheapest things on a Viper, you can pick up a stock LUK clutch for under a couple of hundred dollars on the bay ;).
Tires...Well yes they do cost more than a lot of tires but depending on just how cheap you want to run you could always contact the breaker yards and get good take offs?
It would also not hurt to ask on the forums if anyone is swapping out tires, you may get some at a great price? Brake pads are dirt cheap.
Oil is also dirt cheap in the USA, so regular oil changes should not be a problem.

Not sure on the mileage of your engine? Are you worried about something going bang?

Worst case scenario, you could get a complete replacement used engine from one of the salvage yards for probably less than it would cost to take the car to a shop and have it rebuilt.
Example http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301773714880?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Now if you want to spend extra bucks modding the car.....Well that takes this conversation into a whole different ball game! :D

If you wrench on the car yourself, that too saves some serious bucks. Other club members may also have many spare parts.

I have a several sets of old tires with a few thousand miles left on the tires, I use them for smoking up rubber on charity fun days ;)

[LifeIsGood]

Glws

[dave6666]

Oh. My. F'n. God.

Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and sell the car to someone that deserves it. I mean, this has to be one of the most idiotic ownership posts of all time brotatochip.

[MalingatorGTS]

To chime in in as an "average" income guy..and proud of it BTW! :United_States: ANY car is going to cost something to maintain. I have had plenty of other cars that cost much more than my Viper does. Granted, I don't DD the car but I do drive it. I have had to replace some things on my car but they don't cost any more unless is some crazy "Viper tax" BS. Oil is oil...tires, yes cost a bit more then for a Honda but unless you DD / track / abuse, the car, chances are the tires will expire for road worthiness before you use them up. Clutch, cost pretty much the same as any clutch on any car. Brakes, same, how often, unless you track the car will you kill a set? I redid all my rotors and pads and it cost me the same as my old SRT Charger did. I have broken a set of half-shafts too, that was no biggie either, took a little while in the garage but nothing anyone with basic mechanical skills couldn't handle.

If you do as much as you can on your own, they are relatively simple to work on...it's a Dodge after all! No crazy proprietary tools that you need to be a certified tech to buy. Drive it, enjoy it.

[MH60M]

To chime in in as an "average" income guy..and proud of it BTW! :United_States: ANY car is going to cost something to maintain. I have had plenty of other cars that cost much more than my Viper does. Granted, I don't DD the car but I do drive it. I have had to replace some things on my car but they don't cost any more unless is some crazy "Viper tax" BS. Oil is oil...tires, yes cost a bit more then for a Honda but unless you DD / track / abuse, the car, chances are the tires will expire for road worthiness before you use them up. Clutch, cost pretty much the same as any clutch on any car. Brakes, same, how often, unless you track the car will you kill a set? I redid all my rotors and pads and it cost me the same as my old SRT Charger did. I have broken a set of half-shafts too, that was no biggie either, took a little while in the garage but nothing anyone with basic mechanical skills couldn't handle.

If you do as much as you can on your own, they are relatively simple to work on...it's a Dodge after all! No crazy proprietary tools that you need to be a certified tech to buy. Drive it, enjoy it.

^^^^^^Some of this........It's a very basic car to work on. Maintenance is easier and cheaper to do than all the newer AWD stuff. Just don't wreck it. Used airbags are going for $2300ea...not to mention body panels.

Oh. My. F'n. God.

Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and sell the car to someone that deserves it. I mean, this has to be one of the most idiotic ownership posts of all time brotatochip.

^^^^^^But Mainly this.....^^^^^^^

[Bugman Jeff]

I unofficially claim the title of "lowest income owner on the forum," and this isn't something I worry about. It's an easy to work on Dodge, not an Italian car that needs semi-regular $8k dealership tuneups. Even the Viper taxed parts aren't all that expensive compared to other cars of similar MSRP and performance. The only thing I'm really concerned with is blowing the engine because of the cost of a rebuild. Even that isn't something I really worry about. I'm not the kind of guy who needs to have everything fixed immediately no matter the cost. It might take me awhile to get it rebuilt, but I'd get it done eventually.

[capevettes]

Stop worrying about what can go wrong and live in the moment. Enjoy the drive. Life's too short. With sensible maintenance and doing alot of the work yourself these cars aren't that expensive to maintain and keep in good running order.

[Darth Menace]

Except for jack-ass Dave6666 (which I didn't read anyway due to him being blocked. Note my signature, I wish it was still true but they grew tired of him on the other sites, and likena cancer her had to spread to this forum) thanks for the info. To clarify, there is nothing wrong with my car, but the thought of impending doom as my car gets older is always there. Yes, I do my own work on my cars, but let's be serious, when the shocks go doing my own work by installing $4000 shocks won't feel any better.

[Mopar Steve]

Things are tight everywhere. A buddy told me this weekend "If it cost a nickle to shit, I'd have to throw up" but no matter how tight things are if you are going to play in the car hobby there isn't much less expensive cars to wrench on yourself than a Gen2 Viper.

[AZTVR]

To clarify, there is nothing wrong with my car, but the thought of impending doom as my car gets older is always there. Yes, I do my own work on my cars, but let's be serious, when the shocks go doing my own work by installing $4000 shocks won't feel any better. The answer is very simple. Sell it as soon as you can. If you don't like owning it because of potential maintenance costs, get a car that you can live with. You aren't married to it.

[ZZ SRT]

Yes, I do my own work on my cars, but let's be serious, when the shocks go doing my own work by installing $4000 shocks won't feel any better.

Stock shocks are Konis, so they are rebuildable. Second, I just sold my factory take-offs with 27k miles for 300 bucks WITH Eibach springs. Third, BC coilovers are 1100 bucks new.

Did you do any research on these items that you think are impending doom?

[City]

Generally speaking, a Viper is the least expensive "sportscar" to maintain and service of anything nearly comparable. I'd have to think on it, but I'd venture it's in the same "maintenance expense category" as sportscars in the $40K-$60K range. Modification parts and installations is altogether a different story.

So this is what should be your focus:


Stop worrying about what can go wrong and live in the moment. Enjoy the drive. Life's too short. With sensible maintenance and doing alot of the work yourself these cars aren't that expensive to maintain and keep in good running order.

[Rare Snake]

I find it's not the price of Gen 2 parts, as much as it's getting your hands on some of the stuff. The nastiest one I remember were the strips on the door stanchions, what a pain in the butt to fix. It's not so bad if you have a garage ornament that you rarely drive, but extremely frustrating to deal with on the road.

[SNKEBIT]

Stock shocks are Konis, so they are rebuildable. Second, I just sold my factory take-offs with 27k miles for 300 bucks WITH Eibach springs. Third, BC coilovers are 1100 bucks new.

Did you do any research on these items that you think are impending doom?

I don't think he did. Hence the answer from Dave. If you only take your car to the dealership, you get big costs.

BTW, I am taking claim to the "lowest income on the forum." !!!!! :)

[Darth Menace]

I know what you mean about that sanction strip. I lost mine in a touch less car wash and they wanted $500 for a new one. Fortunately there were two replacements under the seat when I bought the car...it felt like I won the lottery

[Darth Menace]

I didn't study up every part possible for the viper. I did look into a windshield and it is $1000 but was told there is one in stock in North America. Clutches are about $2000. Performance parts seem to be a small mint. Body parts interior and exterior cost a fortune due to their rareness. Found new Pirelli's rears for $500 a pair which isn't bad. Brakes (OE quality) aren't a bad price at all, shocks I have been told are about $3500.

And just to clarify, I do NOT buy my crap from the dealerships and I DO my own work myself (minus engine work).

Anyway, I see nobody agrees with me on this. Hopefully Dave6666 sells me one of his 50 stockpiled ECU's when mine goes.


Stock shocks are Konis, so they are rebuildable. Second, I just sold my factory take-offs with 27k miles for 300 bucks WITH Eibach springs. Third, BC coilovers are 1100 bucks new.

Did you do any research on these items that you think are impending doom?

[99RT10]

Clutches are $200-$300 maybe.

[Darth Menace]

True, i guess we didnt really specify what other sports cars we are talking about. By all means it id cheaper than other exotics in this world and I have not owned a modern era muscle car so i cant comment on those either. I woukd think it is safe to say that the new era camaros, challengers, chargers and mustangs arent too expensive for parts, but those cars arent my thing though. Fast forward to my 69 pontiac "GTO Judge" convertible...performance parts are a dime a dozen and in great abundance. I restored it for two years and any mechanical parts I needed were in stock in the city. A new chromed bumper was $300. Say all you want, it is still a bad ass car.

I think what bothers me is not just the price of replacement parts, but the fact that performance parts are so expensive and I have always been one to enjoy tinkering on my sports cars, but even that can't happen so much with Vipers.

Also, by no means am I claiming to be poor or low income, but I don't own 12 exotic cars, 3 fighter jets and a mansion in Beverly Hills like some may here. I have a cushey government job in Canada with near unlimited OT so no complaints here



Generally speaking, a Viper is the least expensive "sportscar" to maintain and service of anything nearly comparable. I'd have to think on it, but I'd venture it's in the same "maintenance expense category" as sportscars in the $40K-$60K range. Modification parts and installations is altogether a different story.

So this is what should be your focus:

[EricMcClellan]

I didn't study up every part possible for the viper. I did look into a windshield and it is $1000 but was told there is one in stock in North America. Clutches are about $2000. Performance parts seem to be a small mint. Body parts interior and exterior cost a fortune due to their rareness. Found new Pirelli's rears for $500 a pair which isn't bad. Brakes (OE quality) aren't a bad price at all, shocks I have been told are about $3500.

And just to clarify, I do NOT buy my crap from the dealerships and I DO my own work myself (minus engine work).

Anyway, I see nobody agrees with me on this. Hopefully Dave6666 sells me one of his 50 stockpiled ECU's when mine goes.

Ok ... hold on... hold on...

Having had an old 1968 Camaro (same thing as a 69 Firebird) I can say first off... No, you cannot go down to the corner store and get anything you want these days. You just cant, so stop with the hyperbole. Some things, but not everything. So calm down Francis.

Secondly, your numbers are way the hell off.

Example. You said $2,000 for a clutch? What sort of gold plated factory do you buy yours from because I'll sell you a literal shit ton for that price.
http://www.centerforce.com/products/product-detail/id/CTF-DF985985/name/dual-friction-clutch-cover-disc

^^ right there. $900 A dual friction Centerforce clutch... well above stock specs and even if you beat it (which I full well have) that clutch will out live YOU.

Windshields? Dude, that's the insurance companies problem, why the hell do you care? Only 1 left in North America? I'm calling a major bag of bullshit. My insurance company allows me 3 windshields a year... FREE. Do I worry about it? Not in hell. Ain't my problem. Besides, $1,000 for a windshield is pretty normal... Try buying one for an RCR SLC, you'll be running back to $1,000 windshields.

Tires? Get over it, its a wearable item that even if you don't use them, they go bad over time. Its a consumable, just like oil. Get used to it.

Shocks??? $3,500? Maybe for a front set of Penske's...

Let me google that for you...
DING... 2 seconds -->>>> http://theviperstore.com/Viper2_Products_Parts&Upgrades_Suspension.htm
Even UPGRADED, it's $330/ea. Hell, I'm guessing even cheaper on fleabay for used stockers.

I'm not sure where you're getting these crazy ridiculous prices on things, but none of it adds up. I do most of my own work as well, and frankly, these cars remind me of my old Camaro.... Easy to get at things, basic, very few electrical bells and whistles, basic components, rear wheel drive and not super complicated to work on.

I just think you're out to lunch.

[ZZ SRT]

I didn't study up every part possible for the viper. I did look into a windshield and it is $1000 but was told there is one in stock in North America. Clutches are about $2000. Performance parts seem to be a small mint. Body parts interior and exterior cost a fortune due to their rareness. Found new Pirelli's rears for $500 a pair which isn't bad. Brakes (OE quality) aren't a bad price at all, shocks I have been told are about $3500.



I just explained to you the cost of shocks, and then you quote my answer and still say they are $3500???

Some people just can't be helped. You've gone full retard.

[EricMcClellan]

Apples and oranges. Sure, let's compare a car that has HUGE production numbers by comparison and a HUGE aftermarket, to what... a car that has a tiny aftermarket and tiny production numbers... Yes, that's fair. The fact that prices are even remotely comparable is a damn miracle.

Secondly, calling the dealer for a windshield and saying "end of subject" ... uhh... aftermarket? Did you bother to look?

Didn't you just say...

And just to clarify, I do NOT buy my crap from the dealerships

Uh... alrighty then.

But whatever, its your car. Good luck.

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I just explained to you the cost of shocks, and then you quote my answer and still say they are $3500???

Some people just can't be helped. You've gone full retard.

Maybe him and 1willy1 can form a support group.

[Geronimo]

Should I consider passing the love of this car along to another owner?Nah, just do what most other guys do. Pull it out in the driveway claybar/polish, admire and pull back in.;)

[Darth Menace]

The reason I said end of subject about the windshield was because I did call my Dodge dealership last year and that was the info I was given. I was meaning there is no way I can prove to you that I called them and told that. I use the windshield has an example and you jumped all over it. Comparing the camaro parts prices and availability to the viper in one post, then taking it all back in the next post saying apples and oranges. I have been proven wrong about some prices, but you just appear to be twisting things in all directions to prove your point. Are you roomies with Dave6666? I start a discussion and you get down my throat. You can't tell me there aren't a number of other low production cars sitting in a garage somewhere possibly to the end of time, because there are no parts anymore.

[99RT10]

Nah, just do what most other guys do. Pull it out in the driveway claybar/polish, admire and pull back in.;)

I think he should pull it in the driveway, put a for sale sign on it and get a corvette.

[EricMcClellan]

I think he should pull it in the driveway, put a for sale sign on it and get a corvette.

Then he can get the "Corvette Discount". lulz.

[C.J]

... You can't tell me there aren't a number of other low production cars sitting in a garage somewhere possibly to the end of time, because there are no parts anymore.

If that is the case, you can part out your car and buy something else. :)

Vipers are pretty tough cars, and I can see the Gen IIs being roadworthy for many years to come. As others have said, if you maintain it, it will last. Stuff like clutches, clutch master cylinders, slave cylinders, is all available and cheap. If you have a dealer work on it, then it isn't so cheap.

If you're worried about your Viper, that takes a lot of fun out of owning it...

[Darth Menace]

I agree it does. City driving I find doesn't bother me, but highway driving I cringe every time I cross paths with a transport, expecting some sort of damage.

I dont always appreciate being proven wrong, but I do in the case where I am proven wrong in parts prices. Too bad it had to be done passive-aggressively, but thanks for those with civil answers. I still think the viper tax is silly for the same part that goes on a Cherokee (power steering pump as an example), and we all know the more rare these cars get, the more rare parts will get and the price raping will be even more prominent. I am not into racing or modifying this car too much so hopefully OE equivalent parts stay affordable

And no, I will not be trading it in for a Corvette. I know it is cool for viper owners to hate Corvette's and vice versa, but that's not my thing. That being said I am not a modern sports car guy and the only other better I would want is a C1, but those things are a small mint. On a similar note I have had some Pontiac guys hating on the viper because it is a Dodge, so anyone can be childish about a make/manufacturer of vehicle.

If that is the case, you can part out your car and buy something else. :)

Vipers are pretty tough cars, and I can see the Gen IIs being roadworthy for many years to come. As others have said, if you maintain it, it will last. Stuff like clutches, clutch master cylinders, slave cylinders, is all available and cheap. If you have a dealer work on it, then it isn't so cheap.

If you're worried about your Viper, that takes a lot of fun out of owning it...

[Fatboy 18]

Clutch
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LUK-CLUTCH-KIT-1992-2006-DODGE-VIPER-RT-10-GTS-SRT-10-RAM-1500-8-0L-8-3L-/400509032161?hash=item5d4032d6e1:g:YLgAAOxydB1Si7u t

[drewsss]

Counseling is (usually) covered by insurance.

Maybe a low cost alternative to address these issues? :t15197:

[high flier]

They all cost a fortune if based on the wife's budget! I have a 98 Cobra that I have sunk $15-20k into with SC, Methanol injection and more parts than can be listed here (on top of the purchase price of $14k at 15000 miles) so $35k + in a car thats worth less than 1/2 that
Yeah... stupid but I love the car. Now that its 18 yrs old I have invested in building it and in addition the wear items are still wearing and needing attention (rubber parts, interior panels, back window on vert top, etc etc etc
I can tell you this if you want to keep MTC cheap only add simple bolt ons and "common sense" stuff vs "building" the car
For my 00 Viper I purchased in Nov I have installed Dynamat to keep heat down inside, modern Head Unit to BT my music, side sill vents to keep heat down, soldered 3 broken wires in the door. 700-800 bucks tops
Next up AC service (this one will be dealer) and Hiflo Cats to keep heat down and that will be it for this year.... another 700-800 bucks for a total of $1500 from NOV to NOV.... Then I start my list for the next year, PS Pulley, Cat back, smooth tubes and anything needs to be fixed or PM'd.... If you can't afford $1000-$1500 a year in MTC and/or @%$* happens (not saying you can't get by with less) you need to get rid of it or any other hobby car you own.

[Vprbite]

I think i was the first to answer this thread. But it seems OP doesn't want to hear it. I think even my prices were a bit high. I thought that replacing the clutch was about 1200 including install. Looks like it is a bit cheaper. And I bet the window for my truck is at least a grand. It's twice the size of my Viper windshield. With install, I know I paid less than 700 dollars to replace my front shocks with take offs including install, but they may have been a little cheaper than that, it was a few years ago. OP said he found rear tires from Pirelli for 500 each. Does that mean the fronts are 100 bucks each? Because their deal for members is incredible and partsrack is offering great deals on tires as well. Tires for my truck are two grand.

Since I started driving again after my wreck, I have put between 18 and 19k miles on my car in 3 years and it is not my DD. I just love driving it. And I do not worry about "impending doom." I keep my fluids changed which allows one to see any problems before they get too bad as well as keeps components in working order. And, after that, just leave it up to the universe. The transmission on my pickup could go. I can't see that being replaced or rebuilt with what I find in my couch cushions.

If you are that concerned about impending doom, watch this video, it should make you feel better. And these cars in the video are slower. Especially slower when they aren't moving.

http://youtu.be/8qCze1j1des

[71firebird400]

Pop another Prozac; you're creating your own prison you poor fella!

http://i68.tinypic.com/jjya9w.jpg

[MH60M]

Jesus....sell it already.....knock out a couple teeth, grow a mullet and go buy another shitbox Nova or something to "tinker" with if that's what makes you happy. This isn't the 80s with cheap gas and cars. Everything you priced for your old Gen2 Viper is the same as a brand new 2016 Camry....(except for an oil change) :). You're going to pay the $$ one way or the other. It's not a Lambo, Lotus, Maserati, etc...... its a Dodge. If you're scared to drive it.....sell it.......or put it in a bubble-dome and "will" it to a relative that will appreciate it when you croak.

LIFE IS SHORT.....get outside, or in your garage and do what makes you happy......not bitch & stir shit on a internet forum.....the 80yr old you is going to be embarrassed by your behavior right now.

[City]

There are civil ways to express your contempt of another's question or opinion without referencing the individual. A few here have unnecessarily breached that forum guideline. I'd strongly suggest it stop ... now.

Thank you,

Hall Monitor

[Solid Red 98]

Dude, drive the crap out of the car and enjoy the hell out of every wide open throttle pull. Nobody is promised anything in this life. If something breaks--which on Vipers is rare, unless you are really hard on the car and bad on basic maintenance--just fix it and get back in the saddle. If its really expensive, park it and save up the scratch till you can pay for it--just like any other car. Unlike its modern counterparts, cascade failures that are hard to even figure out, and cost bundles are also rare. Ive had mine for 9 years and it has been extremely reliable--to the point that I forget it is a 1998 car, kinda ancient. What ever you do, the future is always unpredictable to some extent, so D r i v e. My only anxiety regarding future repairs is parts availability, but for the right price somebody has it, or some substitution can be made, or rebuild the old one...whatever....party on.....

[EricMcClellan]

I think i was the first to answer this thread. But it seems OP doesn't want to hear it.

Seems to be the theme here...

[BrianACR]

I totally understand what you mean about passing a big transport truck. I cringe someetimes too... As to prices on parts, up here in the Great White North some things just arent available and we have to buy from across the border. And that can hurt a bit, but that's part of being a Viper driver ;) I also do what I can on my own, to save $$ on labour. Not that I'm cheap, but, well ok I am cheap :rolleyes:

[EricMcClellan]

Here's the deal....


A car... any car for that matter is a material thing and over a long enough time line... its all just vapor in the wind. Nothing will last forever, not me, not you... Not this computer I'm writing on... its all temporary. The truth is that at some point it will all break... every last thing on earth will eventually be reclaimed.

Get what enjoyment you can out of it and stop worrying because in the long run, we're all not long for this world.

[ViperRT98]

I see nothing wrong with OP concern....

so what it is numbers are off on the parts prices, there will be a time when there's prices could be very accurate IE inflation..

Almost a year ago everyone was in a panic due to the camshaft sensor, Dave6666 stocked up on OEM hoods...

There are parts that could become non-existent or extremely hard to come by... If we use the thread as an educational Gathering for potential parts that we could need that would no longer be made instead of bashing this idea this would be a more Productive Community...

[Fatboy 18]

Have to say, before owning my AWESOME VIPER, I had a cobra replica, I sunk thousands of £ pounds into that thing! Since owning my Viper since 2008 I have saved a fortune! :D

[Lemay88]

Why not add my 2 cents,
Which ever week-end toy you have, if you do not enjoy it 100%... Get rid of it...
Life is too short to spend the little happy time we have worrying about costs and other boring things.

Ben

[Darth Menace]

Thank you! Some people still bitch on here even after I admitted some mistakes on prices (but do know that they are significantly higher than some of the old north American classics, despite the Camaro owner here saying the prices/availability are the same. Enjoy sniffing that glue). Prices and availability do suck and will only get worse. Anyway, I guess the conversation is over. Rarity on parts in the future will only make the viper tax more prominent...fast chance on us helping each other out with extra parts like band of brothers.


I see nothing wrong with OP concern....

so what it is numbers are off on the parts prices, there will be a time when there's prices could be very accurate IE inflation..

Almost a year ago everyone was in a panic due to the camshaft sensor, Dave6666 stocked up on OEM hoods...

There are parts that could become non-existent or extremely hard to come by... If we use the thread as an educational Gathering for potential parts that we could need that would no longer be made instead of bashing this idea this would be a more Productive Community...

[Darth Menace]

Have to say, before owning my AWESOME VIPER, I had a cobra replica, I sunk thousands of £ pounds into that thing! Since owning my Viper since 2008 I have saved a fortune! :DStrange, before I bought the GTO I was looking at a Shelby Cobra clone. Parts list prices didn't seem too bad, using a lot of run of the mill Ford parts helped too. Changed my opinion when I decided I wanted a convertible that the whole family can drive in

[Vprbite]

There are civil ways to express your contempt of another's question or opinion without referencing the individual. A few here have unnecessarily breached that forum guideline. I'd strongly suggest it stop ... now.

Thank you,

Hall Monitor

Everyone loves the hall monitor. In high school, we used to make sure his underwear was on nice and tight, ya know,cause we liked him and wanted to thank him for all he did for us. : )

[Vprbite]

I see nothing wrong with OP concern....

so what it is numbers are off on the parts prices, there will be a time when there's prices could be very accurate IE inflation..

Almost a year ago everyone was in a panic due to the camshaft sensor, Dave6666 stocked up on OEM hoods...

There are parts that could become non-existent or extremely hard to come by... If we use the thread as an educational Gathering for potential parts that we could need that would no longer be made instead of bashing this idea this would be a more Productive Community...


I think saying "ugh, the Viper tax sucks. Why does a windshield wiper have to cost 140 bucks?" Is different than saying one doesn't want to drive their car because they feel impending doom with every push of the clutch. It doesn't sound like a fun ownership experience.

[ViperRT98]

I think saying "ugh, the Viper tax sucks. Why does a windshield wiper have to cost 140 bucks?" Is different than saying one doesn't want to drive their car because they feel impending doom with every push of the clutch. It doesn't sound like a fun ownership experience.

You are putting your Idea as the only way to enjoy this ownership experience...

Maybe his or even mine could differ.. I don't drive my Viper very often I enjoy trying to preserve my car and keep it look new... I enjoy that and makes my ownership experience different than driving it hard and putting a lot of miles on it... Their is nothing wrong with either experience just different points of view on how we enjoy the cars...

The OP is just concerned about some parts not being available in the future and that should be something we all need to think about... Even on your Gen3 this will become an issue at some point...

Hopefully there will be an aftermarket parts for all of us to buy if OEM parts are no longer available. .. no matter how we enjoy our cars....

[Darth Menace]

Agreed, I do enjoy owning it...love driving it, but at the same time I have feelings on the total opposite end of the spectrum. I guess I have just gotten used to being able to go to the local parts place and snag parts for my other 3 vehicles, and this not being possible with the viper is a scary thing. I guess I clued into that more-so when I blew an upper rad hose and had to mend it together with exhaust pipe internally and clamp it together just so I could drive it to a car show.


You are putting your Idea as the only way to enjoy this ownership experience...

Maybe his or even mine could differ.. I don't drive my Viper very often I enjoy trying to preserve my car and keep it look new... I enjoy that and makes my ownership experience different than driving it hard and putting a lot of miles on it... Their is nothing wrong with either experience just different points of view on how we enjoy the cars...

The OP is just concerned about some parts not being available in the future and that should be something we all need to think about... Even on your Gen3 this will become an issue at some point...

Hopefully there will be an aftermarket parts for all of us to buy if OEM parts are no longer available. .. no matter how we enjoy our cars....

[Vprbite]

You are putting your Idea as the only way to enjoy this ownership experience...

Maybe his or even mine could differ.. I don't drive my Viper very often I enjoy trying to preserve my car and keep it look new... I enjoy that and makes my ownership experience different than driving it hard and putting a lot of miles on it... Their is nothing wrong with either experience just different points of view on how we enjoy the cars...

The OP is just concerned about some parts not being available in the future and that should be something we all need to think about... Even on your Gen3 this will become an issue at some point...

Hopefully there will be an aftermarket parts for all of us to buy if OEM parts are no longer available. .. no matter how we enjoy our cars....

I'll concur that you make a good point. I choose to enjoy my car the way i described. Others choose to only track them. You Are right that there is no "one right way" to enjoy the car. I just mean that whether one drives it a lot or just on Sundays, waiting every moment for something to go wrong just doesn't sound like a fun ownership experience.

And I'm aware that my Gen III will have the same parts issues as the Gen Is ans IIs are having. But I plan on crossing that bridge when I get there. I will upgrade if I must. Till then I will just take as good care as I can of the vehicle and enjoy it.

Obviously, one must do what makes them happy. OP just didn't sound happy to me.

[Alice the cat]

You are putting your Idea as the only way to enjoy this ownership experience...

Maybe his or even mine could differ.. I don't drive my Viper very often I enjoy trying to preserve my car and keep it look new... I enjoy that and makes my ownership experience different than driving it hard and putting a lot of miles on it... Their is nothing wrong with either experience just different points of view on how we enjoy the cars...

The OP is just concerned about some parts not being available in the future and that should be something we all need to think about... Even on your Gen3 this will become an issue at some point...

Hopefully there will be an aftermarket parts for all of us to buy if OEM parts are no longer available. .. no matter how we enjoy our cars....

Bravo. Well said.

[HKViper]

I sort of get the OPs view. Sort of. When I drive my car, I get paranoid of the wear and tear, not so much from a monetary view point, but from the viewpoint I love the car so much, I lust over it so much, that I'm afraid if it getting wrecked and not being able to replace it. The money side? Fuck it, it's only money. :smilielol:

[Dajerseyviper]

My 2002 Viper is probably the easiest most basic car I have owned and worked on in the past several cars. My 2003 Nissan was way worse to work on..Heck, My 67 Camaro was a PITA to work on, but then again it way HIGHLY modified for road racing...The Viper is a s basic as they come..A big engine, 2 seats and 4 wheels...No bells and whistles to stress you..