What is the average Gen 1 and 2 oil consumption ?

[Dajerseyviper]

I was just curios as to what Gen 1&2 viper owners are seeing as far as average oil consumption between oil changes and if it varies from standard oil to synthetic. I have yet to hit the oil change mileage since I purchased amd changed and just want to know what I should expect when I do my oil..

[dave6666]

Uh, update here slick. Your car isn't supposed to consume oil. The correct amount is zero :smilielol:

[Dajerseyviper]

Uhhh update slick, every modern combustion engine ever built since the day they were invented, consumes a certain amount of oil. You will never put in 5 qts and get EXACTLY 5 qts out...But I'm sure you already knew that..

If someone without the "know it all chip on their shoulder" wants to respond, feel free...

[capevettes]

I've only owned my 2001 since September but I've driven it over 2,000 miles. I bought it with 16,000 miles on it and it's a little over 18,000 now. The oil is still on the full line on the dipstick. From what I've read these motors don't use alot of oil unless you have ring/valve issues. There are alot of people here who've driven alot more miles in Vipers than me that can answer this.

[SNKEBIT]

Uhhh update slick, every modern combustion engine ever built since the day they were invented, consumes a certain amount of oil. You will never put in 5 qts and get EXACTLY 5 qts out...But I'm sure you already knew that..

If someone without the "know it all chip on their shoulder" wants to respond, feel free...

Uhhh, update slick, unless there's a problem with your modern car, they don't use oil............

[Coloviper]

The Viper motors are not suppose to consume any oil. Yes the new GEN V ones have an issue which they we correcting with some recalls but the older ones really don't use any. I put 9,000 miles on the 06' I had from new and it never used anything of note. My ole 96' RT/10, I bought used and put on about 4,000 miles and again no noticeable drop. If yours is NA, stock and using oil, then you likely have an issue somewhere. If you are running a power adder then it can use a little. Hell my 06' Cayenne Turbo S which I put on 123,000 miles, it eats about a quart every 1,500 miles. Those Turbos and little leaks on a lot of the million faset points just seem to use a little. Nothing ever hits the ground but you see weep points in spots. My wife's 04' Cayenne Turbo uses about 1 quart every 3,500 miles. Again those Turbos consume some.

If I was you, I would not worry too much. If you are not seeing the usual signs of rings, blow by or smoke out the exhaust, or leaks under the car, it should be minimal. Don't be quick to diagnose a quadruple bypass when all you have is indigestion.

[Dajerseyviper]

Uhhh, update slick, unless there's a problem with your modern car, they don't use oil............

Ok slick, let have a typical Internet know it all debate then.
https://www.cars.com/articles/how-much-oil-consumption-is-normal-1420682864535/
http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/233

[10PISTNZ]

My observation.
I change my oil once a year before it goes in storage for 5 to 6 months. Average use a year is 4,000 +/- km ( 2,500 miles) I do at least 1 track day, hopefully 2.
I use Mobil 1 5w40 and I'm usually down quarter to half liter. A cupful at most.

[Dajerseyviper]

The Viper motors are not suppose to consume any oil. Yes the new GEN V ones have an issue which they we correcting with some recalls but the older ones really don't use any. I put 9,000 miles on the 06' I had from new and it never used anything of note. My ole 96' RT/10, I bought used and put on about 4,000 miles and again no noticeable drop. If yours is NA, stock and using oil, then you likely have an issue somewhere. If you are running a power adder then it can use a little. Hell my 06' Cayenne Turbo S which I put on 123,000 miles, it eats about a quart every 1,500 miles. Those Turbos and little leaks on a lot of the million faset points just seem to use a little. Nothing ever hits the ground but you see weep points in spots. My wife's 04' Cayenne Turbo uses about 1 quart every 3,500 miles. Again those Turbos consume some.

If I was you, I would not worry too much. If you are not seeing the usual signs of rings, blow by or smoke out the exhaust, or leaks under the car, it should be minimal. Don't be quick to diagnose a quadruple bypass when all you have is indigestion.

I was just wondering what the average is. I have has to add about 3/4 to 1 quart over the past 2 years(4000 miles) . I have had some performance motors that ate 3 to 4 quarts between oil changes with no blow by or smoke, but they were loose built motors.

I have no visible leaks ony car amd figured I'm within the normal range for a V10 performance motor..

[99RT10]

Uh, update here slick. Your car isn't supposed to consume oil. The correct amount is zero :smilielol:

Agreed, I maybe have put in one quart, more like 1/2 quart between each oil change.

[Josrocket]

I put about 6k miles on my viper every few months. May lose, 1/4 of a quart. Never enough to bother toping off

[trappster]

Zero oil consumption on mine.

Edit: synthetic, though it doesn't matter.

[Fatboy 18]

My car uses a Lot!

[sssammm]

My car uses a Lot!

You forgot to put the cap on again?

[GhostStalker27]

A lot of 'slicks' in here...

[2Luke2]

Can we please start using Slick's first name and their last initial so we can keep them straight?

[Dajerseyviper]

I'm gonna call everyone "slick"from now on..

[Mad Max]

98 GTS here. No detectable usage here at just under 40K. Even after a track day. 0W-40 Mobil 1. 5 to 6K miles a year the past 3 years.

[PittsburghRT]

Both Gen 1 and 2 have had zero oil consumption between oil changes with Mobil1 10w-30 .

[chicagopd50]

I found alot of people on forums talk out of there ass without even know facts, . Oil consuption will happen to anymotor wheather u know it or not. I had a gen 2 and i would say 1 qrt to 3000 miles. Most "slicks" here dont even change their own oil to relize how much is missing. Once again it al depends how many miles and how hard u drive it. But u do get oil consuption.

[Camfab]

I found alot of people on forums talk out of there ass without even know facts, . Oil consuption will happen to anymotor wheather u know it or not. I had a gen 2 and i would say 1 qrt to 3000 miles. Most "slicks" here dont even change their own oil to relize how much is missing. Once again it al depends how many miles and how hard u drive it. But u do get oil consuption.

I have to agree with this. In fact I'll go one step further and say that any Gen Viper, especially Gen I and II will consume copious amounts of oil if driven hard or driven like a Ricer. The definition of Driving like a Ricer is simple............ most of the Gen II video's I've seen here and elsewhere, display it perfectly. It's when you drive and hold gears unnecessarily long and then let off the gas at speed without engaging the clutch and finding an appropriate gear. This driving style as well as heavy track use will create high engine vacuum conditions under deccel. The OEM crankcase PCV system will suck up oil like crazy under these conditions. I can assure you that even Vipers driven like little old ladys will have their intake manifold full of oil with the stock system. Pull any early cars heads, even with low mileage and they will show heavy carbon loading on the pistons. I hope this answers your question.

[Dajerseyviper]

I found alot of people on forums talk out of there ass without even know facts, . Oil consuption will happen to anymotor wheather u know it or not. I had a gen 2 and i would say 1 qrt to 3000 miles. Most "slicks" here dont even change their own oil to relize how much is missing. Once again it al depends how many miles and how hard u drive it. But u do get oil consuption.

Thank you!!! Amen!!

[Dajerseyviper]

I have to agree with this. In fact I'll go one step further and say that any Gen Viper, especially Gen I and II will consume copious amounts of oil if driven hard or driven like a Ricer. The definition of Driving like a Ricer is simple............ most of the Gen II video's I've seen here and elsewhere, display it perfectly. It's when you drive and hold gears unnecessarily long and then let off the gas at speed without engaging the clutch and finding an appropriate gear. This driving style as well as heavy track use will create high engine vacuum conditions under deccel. The OEM crankcase PCV system will suck up oil like crazy under these conditions. I can assure you that even Vipers driven like little old ladys will have their intake manifold full of oil with the stock system. Pull any early cars heads, even with low mileage and they will show heavy carbon loading on the pistons. I hope this answers your question.

This is what I thought, but certain guys named "slick" are know it alls and have to take jabs whenever they can..But they really do not know as much as they THINK they know.. ;-) FYI I kinda drive my car like a ricer I guess. I do a lot of rev matching and engine braking or down shifting when slowing or going into turns... :-)

[Fatboy 18]

I can use at least 2 to 3 ltrs between oil changes, I drive the car hard, regularly fill up a puke tank. No exterior engine leaks. do not notice any excessive blue smoke from the rear but I love letting the engine do the braking and listening to the exhaust over run. popping and cracking. Valve guide oil seals may be suspect? The throttle body on the left hand side of the engine always used to have a black dirty film of oil on it (prior to fitting a catch can). Car still pulls like a train and I have not noticed any performance drop? Car is not a garage queen and I do look after it more than most but it does use oil? Spark plugs do not seem fouled either? Rings may be suspect? Hell I don't know, I just keep driving it :)

[SNKEBIT]

Sorry guys, I am a mechanic for a living, the only cars that use oil around here are the ones with 150K + on them. The local Vipers here don't use any.

[Red Snake]

Sounds like alot of wishful thinking in this thread. I have never had to add oil between changes on my car. It stays on the full line of the dipstick. I would be looking for root causes if i had to add oil between changes.

[Geronimo]

No oil loss here in between on a 96 GTS. 29,000 miles.

[Camfab]

Ok, who's going to volunteer their perfect 100% stock car to a test. Let's take it out to Willow Springs for ten full track days with someone who can actually drive. We'll seal the engine compartment on the morning of day one and see what happens at the end of day ten. Should be no oil consumption, right?

[SNKEBIT]

Beating the hell outta your car, any car, on the track is not the same as everyday driving on the street. If your every day driver is consuming oil with regular driving, it has issues. The viper is just like any other vehicle, beat it and it's gonna use oil.

[Camfab]

Beating the hell outta your car, any car, on the track is not the same as everyday driving on the street. If your every day driver is consuming oil with regular driving, it has issues. The viper is just like any other vehicle, beat it and it's gonna use oil.

Thank you! I think the point here is that you typically have two groups of Viper owners. Those who pussy foot their cars and change the oil because of age rather than actual miles driven. Then you have those that actually track their cars and beat the snot out of them. In the later group exists a subset that likely never track their cars however tend to drive their cars in a manner that would draw attention. I've already outlined what I meant earlier. Those types of drivers will in fact see oil usage. Really this was my point all along, the results of two entirely different driving styles will in fact make a difference in consumption and it has nothing to do with a modern power plant or a mechanical issue. I think we can all agree that a vehicle with mechanical issues like worn rings, valve guides, etc. will burn excess amounts of oil, but that's not what the OP was asking.......

[Red Snake]

OP, how many ten day track sessions at WillowSprings did you beat the snot out of your car whilst you were topping off with 3/4 qt of oil in only 4,000 miles?

[Geronimo]

I'm amazed at how some guys want to get into an argument over these kind of things lol. Obviously there are those who track and those who just daily drive and there is going to be a difference. I have a 2014 Dodge Dart that uses 2 quarts of oil every 6000 miles and Chrysler says that is normal oil consumption and won't address the problem:mad:

[SNKEBIT]

I'm amazed at how some guys want to get into an argument over these kind of things lol. Obviously there are those who track and those who just daily drive and there is going to be a difference. I have a 2014 Dodge Dart that uses 2 quarts of oil every 6000 miles and Chrysler says that is normal oil consumption and won't address the problem:mad:

You're not screaming loud enuff at the right person!

[Dajerseyviper]

Beating the hell outta your car, any car, on the track is not the same as everyday driving on the street. If your every day driver is consuming oil with regular driving, it has issues. The viper is just like any other vehicle, beat it and it's gonna use oil.

Driving is driving,combustion engines use/burn oil...Period...Some more than others under different conditions..If you are a mechanic, you would know this. You said if a car burns oil it has an issue, now your saying only heavily tracked cars burn oil on track days? Seriously?

[Dajerseyviper]

I think we can all agree that a vehicle with mechanical issues like worn rings, valve guides, etc. will burn excess amounts of oil, but that's not what the OP was asking.......

If this were the case you would see smoke upon start up after the car sits,(valve seals) Smoke with acceleration or deceleration, (piston rings) and fouled/blackened spark plugs. i see none of the above and still use about a quart in 3000 miles with street driving. I like to rev match and engine brake, keep the car in a lower gear on the highway for fast acceleration rather than lugging, and drive my car spiritedly at times if the road conditions safely permit it. Not recklessly, but accelerating hard out of toll booths at times, using the engine to pull me out of turns when the road is clear, and downshifting when about to enter a turn to be in the right gear for exiting it.

I can assume a good majority of it is being blown out of the crank case and recirculated through the EGR and burned in the combustion mixture. Im gonna try a nice catch can and properly vent the crank case in the future to see if this makes a difference.

All cars use oil, no car can perfectly seal the motor from burning one drop of oil, the tolerances would literally have to be 0.00000000001. If the dude that said only cars with issue use oil is indeed a mechanic, I wouldn't even let him change the sparkplug on my lawnmower...

[C.J]

... I have never had to add oil between changes on my car. It stays on the full line of the dipstick. I would be looking for root causes if i had to add oil between changes.

Same for my 2001 RT/10 with 16,000 miles on it using Mobil1 0W-40.

For sanity's sake, I check the oil before any major drive (Tail of the Dragon, etc). Am I burning some oil? Could be, but, not enough to see the impact of that consumption on the dipstick.

[Camfab]

If this were the case you would see smoke upon start up after the car sits,(valve seals) Smoke with acceleration or deceleration, (piston rings) and fouled/blackened spark plugs. i see none of the above and still use about a quart in 3000 miles with street driving. I like to rev match and engine brake, keep the car in a lower gear on the highway for fast acceleration rather than lugging, and drive my car spiritedly at times if the road conditions safely permit it. Not recklessly, but accelerating hard out of toll booths at times, using the engine to pull me out of turns when the road is clear, and downshifting when about to enter a turn to be in the right gear for exiting it.

I can assume a good majority of it is being blown out of the crank case and recirculated through the EGR and burned in the combustion mixture. Im gonna try a nice catch can and properly vent the crank case in the future to see if this makes a difference.

All cars use oil, no car can perfectly seal the motor from burning one drop of oil, the tolerances would literally have to be 0.00000000001. If the dude that said only cars with issue use oil is indeed a mechanic, I wouldn't even let him change the sparkplug on my lawnmower...

The PCV system is the common culprit. The Viper has no EGR.

[Geronimo]

You're not screaming loud enuff at the right person!Give me the name of who I need to yell at. I have filed a report with Chrysler and I take it to the dealer and get robbed on the oil change. The have recorded the amount of usage and both the dealer and Chrysler say this is in the bounds of normal usage. I'm not the only one on the Dart. Many others. Hopefully there will be some kind of recall. I have no idea where the oil is going. Plugs are clean and no smoke out the exhaust. Going to install a catch can and see if it is going that way. Some say it is being evaporated in the heads due to some kind of actuator.

[Red Snake]

I'm amazed at how some guys want to get into an argument over these kind of things lol. Obviously there are those who track and those who just daily drive and there is going to be a difference. I have a 2014 Dodge Dart that uses 2 quarts of oil every 6000 miles and Chrysler says that is normal oil consumption and won't address the problem:mad:
Your service advisor is full of crap. They just dont want to fix it.

That is excessive oil consumption. ;)

[Bmw2nv2000]

Try driving a new model $100k BMW 750LI and burning a quart every 1500 miles from day one and BMWNA tells me that's normal for their twin turbo V8

[braunstein82]

I don't really know what I'm talking about, but doesn't a "oil catch can" collect oil vapor loss so it's not recirculated. So wouldn't that mean that typical engines lose oil? I honestly don't know, just been considering getting one.

[SNKEBIT]

All cars use oil, no car can perfectly seal the motor from burning one drop of oil, the tolerances would literally have to be 0.00000000001. If the dude that said only cars with issue use oil is indeed a mechanic, I wouldn't even let him change the sparkplug on my lawnmower...[/QUOTE]

Really? wow

[Geronimo]

Your service advisor is full of crap. They just dont want to fix it.

That is excessive oil consumption. ;)You know that and I know that but I can't afford any more attorney fees for "aggravated assault" so I have to bend over on this one. Been to 2 dealers and got the same jive.

[Red Snake]

All cars use oil, no car can perfectly seal the motor from burning one drop of oil, the tolerances would literally have to be 0.00000000001. If the dude that said only cars with issue use oil is indeed a mechanic, I wouldn't even let him change the sparkplug on my lawnmower...

Really? wow[/QUOTE]


I must be extremely fortunate. I have 6 cars, 2 motorcycles and a lawn mower and I dont have to add oil to ANY of them between changes. Maybe they are built with excessively tight tolerances.

[Vipernoob]

I must be extremely fortunate. I have 6 cars, 2 motorcycles and a lawn mower and I dont have to add oil to ANY of them between changes. Maybe they are built with excessively tight tolerances.

If you rev-matched your down shifts then you would be burning through oil as fast as gas. Especially with the lawn mower.

[DaveW]

Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones. Stock 2000 GTS with 45k that I don't track, but is driven hard on every accel ramp and downshifted during every stop - leading to only one brakepad change in past 10k. Change the oil (Mobil 1 10-30) once a year at inspection, whether it needs it or not ;) No noticeable loss on the dipstick ever. Previously owned BMWs and Mercedes all used oil that needed topping off with a quart or more before the annual changes, and were never driven as aggressively as I do the Viper on the street. Not saying a tracked car won't use oil, which seems logical for an extreme use of the car.

[Red Snake]

If you rev-matched your down shifts then you would be burning through oil as fast as gas. Especially with the lawn mower.

I must try that, especially with the lawn mower.

[HKViper]

I must be extremely fortunate. I have 6 cars, 2 motorcycles and a lawn mower and I dont have to add oil to ANY of them between changes. Maybe they are built with excessively tight tolerances.

It's actually quite common with most new cars. Subaru uses oil like a son of a bitch in all of their new models. It is normal.

[RTTTTed]

My engine has 10,000mi since I did rings and bearings. Rod bearing were prematurely worn out (#3 down to copper) and I've never added oil except at oil change time. I usually do a lot of highway driving to get to the events I race in. Most events are 1000 to 2000 miles away. Roe supercharged with Ross forged pistons.

[BigSnake]

interesting topic!!! any engine that runs HOT turns to burn more oil thru the pcv system, and not thru the internals or valve seals. Guys that track their vipers install a oil catch can for a reason! It all depend if you warm up your engine, where you live, type of pistons in the engine, etc etc etc! MOST our vipers are at a mileage where oil burn rate should be VERY minimal that it is hard to diagnose that engine is actually burning oil.

Posted by a mechanic by trade;)

[Red Snake]

interesting topic!!! any engine that runs HOT turns to burn more oil thru the pcv system, and not thru the internals or valve seals. Guys that track their vipers install a oil catch can for a reason! It all depend if you warm up your engine, where you live, type of pistons in the engine, etc etc etc! MOST our vipers are at a mileage where oil burn rate should be VERY minimal that it is hard to diagnose that engine is actually burning oil.

Posted by a mechanic by trade;)
So in your opinion as a mechanic, should a Viper that isnt being tracked and has no leaks use 3/4 to 1 qt of oil every 4000 miles?

[Rolf]

My 2006 Ram SRT-10 gets < 7k miles a year and burns about a quart of oil per month. More if I'm towing my trailer. Even after an engine rebuild a few years ago. New pistons, rings, valves, shaved head... Still runs like a champ, no smoke.

I got my 1998 Viper GTS late last year and have not put a lot of miles on it, but it is burning oil too. Every car/truck I've ever owned has burned some oil. All American. I have a pretty heavy foot, but it seems typical. My mechanic friends say it's normal.

For what it's worth, my Japanese motorcycles don't really noticeably burn any oil, even with heavy track/street abuse. My European ones do burn a little.

[Dajerseyviper]

Really? wow


I must be extremely fortunate. I have 6 cars, 2 motorcycles and a lawn mower and I dont have to add oil to ANY of them between changes. Maybe they are built with excessively tight tolerances.[/QUOTE]

Or, you are full of it...

[ICPREY]

My 70K mile SRT10 Ram uses probably 1/2 qt every 4-5k miles, my Viper is near zero, and my SRT8 Jeep with 50K miles on it is a qt about every 10K miles or so. The Jeeps catch can fills up a lot more than the Vipers or Rams though.

[Red Snake]

I must be extremely fortunate. I have 6 cars, 2 motorcycles and a lawn mower and I dont have to add oil to ANY of them between changes. Maybe they are built with excessively tight tolerances.

Or, you are full of it...[/QUOTE]
Not hardly. My stuff just isnt burning or leaking oil.

[Dajerseyviper]

Not hardly. My stuff just isnt burning or leaking oil.

every motor uses oil... They teach it in mechanics 101...I find it hard to believe not one of your cars burns a drop of oil. Perhaps your just stubbornly sticking with your original opinion, I dont know..

[Red Snake]

every motor uses oil... They teach it in mechanics 101...I find it hard to believe not one of your cars burns a drop of oil. Perhaps your just stubbornly sticking with your original opinion, I dont know..

Of course they do, but not enough to need additional between changes. That would be excessive consumption unless the car lives on the track. Thats the whole point here.