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Jack B
12-26-2013, 11:42 PM
I installed the oem air box that that had been insulated with tunnel wrap. About one month ago I posted the results of plotting the temperature of the intake tubes versus the car's IAT readings. That data was taken with the ambient at approximately 40 degrees F, today the air temps were approximately 32 degrees F. When the weather gets closer to 40 degrees I will repeat the original test.

The addition of the tunnel wrap dramatically changed the IAT relative to the temperature of the engine bay. This test was conducted in the same manner as the last test, the car was started in the garage, pulled outside and allowed to idle for 20 minutes. As we all have seen, the difference between ambient and the IAT are always 20, 30 or even forty degrees. This data is at idle, however, it is the transient response that we are worried about. When the car is at speed the ambient and IAT will close, however, in the staging line at the drag strip seems to be a problem.

As stated, I am going to run this test again when the outdoor temps get close to 40 degrees F so we can compare with the previous data. Keep in mind at idle the car's displayed ambient will read higher than true ambient at idle due to the heat soak of car itself and the air around the car. Again, the caveat is that there was a 10 degree difference in this test and the last test. However, that data was so dramatically different it should not alter the gains the insulation showed, in this test the temperature difference between IAT and ambient air temps was basically zero, not 20, 30 or 40 degrees. The IAT's were actually less than the car's displayed ambient temperature.

I had a scan tool hooked up to the car and I was monitoring both temperatures and STFT's. A sample of that screen will follow. I have also installed a wideband O2 sensor and will log the a/f to make sure the IAT was not fooled in the wrong way. The scan tool in the picture is actually made to install in a semi-permanent mode. It is called a Dashdaq and has the ability to both scan and log. You can also input an analog 0-5, that is how the wideband will be displayed and logged.

I fabricated a plate that will extend from the radiator down to the circular cross member. It will run parallel to the box and about an inch below the box. That will go on this week end. That will further reduce the both the convected and radiant heat gain on the air box. I will run some more test after that install.

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SilveRT8
12-27-2013, 12:07 AM
Looking good Jack! Not the box, but certanly the results !
Fantastic work

Nine Ball
12-27-2013, 09:42 AM
IAT < Ambient? Awesome. I always figured the convective cooling of moving air across the IAT sensor should read lower than ambient. I guess you proved it, once the external heat source is removed.

Now we just need a manufacturer to build us some pre-molded insulation covers that will install and look OEM-like. Of course, most Viper owners won't buy it unless it has a Viper logo on it somewhere ;)

Dman
12-27-2013, 10:00 AM
Nice work! Take a sharpie and draw a snake on it & you can sell that, lol. Looks OK, IMO, for the function you seem to be getting this could be a hot item, well, I guess more of a cool item.

ViperSmith
12-27-2013, 12:26 PM
Awesome job Jack!

mnc2886
12-27-2013, 12:40 PM
SRT needs to see this thread. Great work!!

Steve M
12-27-2013, 06:38 PM
Eggggggggcellent.

ViperTony
12-27-2013, 06:57 PM
Jack, your DIY makes me want to buy a Gen5 so I can do the airbox mod too. :p Nice work!

ViperGeorge
12-28-2013, 11:46 AM
Why doesn't one of the sponsoring vendors make something to insulate the box? If SRT made one, it would cost a fortune.

XSnake
12-28-2013, 11:53 AM
Nice job!! Hopefully SRT sees this

Shooter
12-28-2013, 02:14 PM
Good work. It seems that the owners have to get the ball rolling with our Vipers sometimes. If they ever come out with an ACR, I'll have to start re-reading all these Gen V fixes.

BAD BOYZZ GARAGE
12-29-2013, 04:02 AM
Nice work Jack..! Gonna be interesting to see how your G5 evolves..

Bad Boyzz
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boostsaves
12-29-2013, 11:32 AM
Looks very promising.

99RT10
12-29-2013, 01:01 PM
Hey Jack,
where did you get the insulation at? How much did you buy to completely cover the airbox? Nice work!

Jack B
12-29-2013, 11:02 PM
It is the DEI tunnel wrap. I bought it from Summit. The product is approx 3/16" think with a sticky back. They have three different sizes. This was the large package, I think 48 X 48. I used about 1/2 of it on the air box. The bottom side of the box has two layers. When I pulled the sills off, I also added some to the sill area.


Hey Jack,
where did you get the insulation at? How much did you buy to completely cover the airbox? Nice work!

Fatboy 18
12-30-2013, 05:50 AM
I think you have made a really neat job of that install, looks great :dude3:

Happy New Year :t1567:

Steve M
12-30-2013, 08:20 AM
Got any fancy IR camera shots to go along with your initial data?

Jack B
12-30-2013, 09:59 AM
It will not show much. The emissivity of the box is now approx .2, therefore, will not give an accurate ir signature. The interesting part is that the change was so dramatic, the IAT temp was less than the indicated ambient temp for the full 20 minutes. It may be a different story on a 90 degree day at the track, time will tell. PM me your email address, I will send you something interesting.

The finishing step is to put an air/oil separator on the PCV side next, I just ordered one from Jegs. Perhaps by isolating both sides of the intake from the crankcase we can help rule out KR (Knock-Retard) as our power robber. At a minimum, we are going to gain a few hp from cooler air. The best scenario is that we now have an IAT temp that is more in line with the ambient and not a heat soaked engine bay.



Got any fancy IR camera shots to go along with your initial data?

Nine Ball
12-30-2013, 10:44 AM
Is this what you used?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dei-010412/overview/ (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dei-010412/overview/)

or

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dei-050503/overview/

ACRucrazy
12-30-2013, 10:46 AM
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dei-050503/overview/

This is it I believe

Jack B
12-30-2013, 02:19 PM
From the Summit On-Line catalog:

http://www.summitracing.com/search/brand/design-engineering-dei/product-line/dei-floor-and-tunnel-shields


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Is this what you used?
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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dei-010412/overview/[/URL]

or

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dei-050503/overview/

PeerBlock
01-01-2014, 01:36 PM
Hey, that wrap makes your intake looks like my buddy's grow room.

If anyone else wants to try this, there's another product called reflectix that is basically the same thing, minus the sticky back, that you can get at lowe's or home depot. I used it before in a similar manner on another project and it works well.

Jack B
01-01-2014, 06:17 PM
Why do you even bother, did you wear out your welcome at the VCA.

Again, you jump into the middle of a thread that was a derivative of multiple previous threads and start acting like you know it all, yet, I will bet you have read none of the previous threads. This comment is more directed at your post in the other airbox thread.


Hey, that wrap makes your intake looks like my buddy's grow room.

If anyone else wants to try this, there's another product called reflectix that is basically the same thing, minus the sticky back, that you can get at lowe's or home depot. I used it before in a similar manner on another project and it works well.

PeerBlock
01-01-2014, 06:53 PM
Why do you even bother, did you wear out your welcome at the VCA.

Again, you jump into the middle of a thread that was a derivative of multiple previous threads and start acting like you know it all, yet, I will bet you have read none of the previous threads. This comment is more directed at your post in the other airbox thread.

This is the new VCA, except they changed the C to an O so now it's the VOA.

Now if you're going to keep acting like a whiny liberal, why don't you trade in your viper for a prius?

And if you need "multiple previous threads" to arrive at the conclusion that insulating your airbox would reduce the delta between incoming air and under-hood air then you're kinda bringing up the rear on the common sense train...but since you already bothered to do it I just wanted to know what kind of improvements in performance, if any, you noticed. I'm sure you did a before and after comparison, or are you just preoccupied with scoring lower temperature readings that ultimately have no real bearing on the viper's performance?

whitebeard
01-01-2014, 07:20 PM
This is not the Alley or AG. Please refrain from antagonistic and intentional smack. We are not VCA either, no swinging the wand either.

Please keep threads on track and to the point. Thank you.

Viper Girl
01-01-2014, 07:45 PM
:t1236:WB!

Happy New Year guys, the airbox threads have been awesome :icon_devil: