ACR & 18 Speakers

[2doorrocket]

Hi Guys!
I'm trying to figure out how to get the 18 speakers for my ACR. I got this prior to ordering my second one which is a 1 of 1. I'd really like to be able to drive this car more than just at the track and 3 speakers is kind of bullshit to me.

Does any one have an Extreme that they have been wanting to install the speakers in.

[docwviper]

Hi Guys!
I'm trying to figure out how to get the 18 speakers for my ACR. I got this prior to ordering my second one which is a 1 of 1. I'd really like to be able to drive this car more than just at the track and 3 speakers is kind of bullshit to me.

Does any one have an Extreme that they have been wanting to install the speakers in.

You can order an extreme with the 18 speakers, its required when getting a full laguna interior. I got mine that way.

[Murpowa]

According to Courtney (thank you) at ViperExchange, all the wiring is there. You could theoretically order a non 1:1 Extreme and choose/wire your own kick ass speakers. However, I believe it may require a trip to the dealership to get the Head unit to recognize all the speakers.

[Martin]

According to Courtney (thank you) at ViperExchange, all the wiring is there. You could theoretically order a non 1:1 Extreme and choose/wire your own kick ass speakers. However, I believe it may require a trip to the dealership to get the Head unit to recognize all the speakers.

Perhaps a dumb question - are all the speaker openings there? With the old hard-core option, they covered the speaker openings, but those covers were easy to remove if desired. I like your idea of putting speakers in yourself (and choosing your own components). I definitely wouldn't be cutting any holes, though...

[TitanSnake]

I am currently in the process of doing this myself. I have a parts list already to go. I will update all when the parts arrive and what it takes to activate.

[mjorgensen]

Perhaps a dumb question - are all the speaker openings there? With the old hard-core option, they covered the speaker openings, but those covers were easy to remove if desired. I like your idea of putting speakers in yourself (and choosing your own components). I definitely wouldn't be cutting any holes, though...

Yes all holes are there most covered with CF panels again.

[TitanSnake]

Yes all holes are there most covered with CF panels again.

Covered yes, but the buckets for the 6x9's is gone as well. I have a pic of it but don't know how to post via mobile phone.

[ACR]

Are the grill openings there? I was told no, in fact different panels were used hence one would have to cut openings for grills or buy new panels. What's the real story

[TitanSnake]

Are the grill openings there? I was told no, in fact different panels were used hence one would have to cut openings for grills or buy new panels. What's the real story.

Be patient. All locations are there. I have visually confirmed that much, as well as all wiring. When the parts I have ordered show up, I will let you guys all know. If I did my homework right, it's 1500 in parts. ACR doesn't have an amp at all. It plays through the Bluetooth side of the factory system.

[Rapidrezults]

.

Be patient. All locations are there. I have visually confirmed that much, as well as all wiring. When the parts I have ordered show up, I will let you guys all know. If I did my homework right, it's 1500 in parts.

When I ran through the components list/cost with Mark, it came up to right about 1500 as well, not sure if that was going to a full even 12 speaker setup though, but I'm definitely subscribed to your findings on this!

Let us know ASAP! :)

[ACR]

.

Be patient. All locations are there. I have visually confirmed that much, as well as all wiring. When the parts I have ordered show up, I will let you guys all know. If I did my homework right, it's 1500 in parts. ACR doesn't have an amp at all. It plays through the Bluetooth side of the factory system.

Thanks for the info. Can't wait for my ACR and after the horrid reports on the stock stereo I'm kind of anxious to see what we can do

[gpearl]

I'd rather have 3 speakers mated to a great amp than 18 coffee filter speakers run by a garbage power source. You can spend that $1500 better.

[2doorrocket]

Lol... Seems like there are a few of you who are ready to do this. Let me what you have on your parts list.

[TitanSnake]

I'd rather have 3 speakers mated to a great amp than 18 coffee filter speakers run by a garbage power source. You can spend that $1500 better.

Not to sure with you on this one. I had the 18 speaker system in my 13 gts, and it was a great stock system. I'd rather stick with the plug and play option that works great vs make my own and hope it sounds ok.

[FLATOUT]

Lol... Seems like there are a few of you who are ready to do this. Let me what you have on your parts list.

Sorry Robert I didn't get a chance to check on it today I was swamped but got your texts.

p.s. Don't throw your phone ;)

Andy

[2doorrocket]

I got another bullshit email from Concierge about how my ACR has been ready for 3 weeks and still hasn't shipped. Lol... In light of my recent tradition I intend to throw my laptop out of my car onto the freeway while doing freeway speeds in order to gain satisfaction knowing the device that delivered the message of bad news is no longer in existence.

[Martin]

I got another bullshit email from Concierge about how my ACR has been ready for 3 weeks and still hasn't shipped. Lol... In light of my recent tradition I intend to throw my laptop out of my car onto the freeway while doing freeway speeds in order to gain satisfaction knowing the device that delivered the message of bad news is no longer in existence.

Well, at least you're in So Cal and the driving season is still in full force. Just think how pissed you'd be if you were up against snow season right now...

[2doorrocket]

I would drive it in the snow and just wear a helmet lol

[TitanSnake]

tentative parts list for those interested:

06101736 qty 6 (screws for door woofers)
05035254AA qty 2 (door woofers)
05035253AB qty 1 (6x9 sub)
05035308A qty 1 (unity speaker to add i addition to premium kit to use as rear most 3.5")
82213535 qty 1 ( this is the 12 to 18 speaker upgrade)
05035339AA qty 4 (buckets for 6x9's, needed as once you remove delete cover it goes to the outside)
68224519AD qty 1 (2013-15amp)
OR
5035418AC qty 1 (2016 amp (thanks roadrunner!))


note that the ACR already has the 3.5 unity center dash speaker, so the one supplied in the premium upgrade kit gets moved to the trunk in addition to the 1 in the parts list.

I am currently waiting for the above parts, and will let you guys know how it turns out. Ill take pics and installation notes along the way. good thing is, a lot of the work is already done and supplied by the premium upgrade kit.

[Space Truckin]

Not to sure with you on this one. I had the 18 speaker system in my 13 gts, and it was a great stock system. I'd rather stick with the plug and play option that works great vs make my own and hope it sounds ok.

^^^this^^^:t1236:

[2doorrocket]

tentative parts list for those interested:

06101736 qty 6 (screws for door woofers)
05035254AA qty 2 (door woofers)
05035253AB qty 1 (6x9 sub)
05035308A qty 1 (unity speaker to add i addition to premium kit to use as rear most 3.5")
82213535 qty 1 ( this is the 12 to 18 speaker upgrade)
05035339AA qty 4 (buckets for 6x9's, needed as once you remove delete cover it goes to the outside)
68224519AD qty 1 (amp)

note that the ACR already has the 3.5 unity center dash speaker, so the one supplied in the premium upgrade kit gets moved to the trunk in addition to the 1 in the parts list.

I am currently waiting for the above parts, and will let you guys know how it turns out. Ill take pics and installation notes along the way. good thing is, a lot of the work is already done and supplied by the premium upgrade kit.

Fucking #HERO!

[TitanSnake]

Don't get excited yet, the two brackets for the rear two 3.5's are discontinued. Going to have to find a work around if they are not in the car already.

[ACR]

Don't get excited yet, the two brackets for the rear two 3.5's are discontinued. Going to have to find a work around if they are not in the car already.

fortunately they are only 3.5", small and light; should be easy to fab something if need be

[2doorrocket]

Don't get excited yet, the two brackets for the rear two 3.5's are discontinued. Going to have to find a work around if they are not in the car already.

Get me their part number, I had a part like that for a Challenger and my people worked voodoo.

[FLATOUT]

Nice job TitanSnake!

[TitanSnake]

68174053AA INST PNL SPEAKER BRACKET, LEFT and Right

[roadrunner]

The bracket for the two 3.5's in the trunk is still there on an ACR...

[roadrunner]

There is a new amplifier for 2016... the one you list is for earlier Gen V's. The dealer lists 5035418AC as the amp for 2016. It looks a bit different than prior model years. Also the connectors are different.

[2doorrocket]

There is a new amplifier for 2016... the one you list is for earlier Gen V's. The dealer lists 5035418AC as the amp for 2016. It looks a bit different than prior model years. Also the connectors are different.

Are you sure about this.

[TitanSnake]

There is a new amplifier for 2016... the one you list is for earlier Gen V's. The dealer lists 5035418AC as the amp for 2016. It looks a bit different than prior model years. Also the connectors are different.

Interesting. I am only able to search up to 15 on my end. Either way we will know real soon.

[ViperTony]

Instructions here. http://www.moparonlineparts.com/docs/82213535.pdf Looks like it requires accessing DealerConnect and the scan tool to complete the upgrade. So what's required to go from the 12 speaker system to the 18?

[TitanSnake]

Just the kit listed in your link

Instructions here. http://www.moparonlineparts.com/docs/82213535.pdf Looks like it requires accessing DealerConnect and the scan tool to complete the upgrade. So what's required to go from the 12 speaker system to the 18?

[2doorrocket]

Just the kit listed in your link

Lol... This is getting so much more exciting. +5. I'll go to the dealer and tell the Viper Tech. So bro it's installed, bust out the WiTech lets make the magic unfold.

[Voice of Reason]

Just the kit listed in your link

And that kit is really designed to go from 9 to 18. Starting with 12 you end up with 2 extra speakers - the center dash and a subwoofer. They must count one of those as a 2 way speaker.

[roadrunner]

Are you sure about this.

Very... just look in the trunk of a pre-2016 and a 2016...

There are two connectors for the 2013-2015 amp, and three for the 2016. And the pinouts are different.

[ACR]

I wonder how many ohm the stock "sub" 6x9 are and how many watts are sent them, be nice to upgrade and easy since one is going through all this

[TitanSnake]

Very... just look in the trunk of a pre-2016 and a 2016...

There are two connectors for the 2013-2015 amp, and three for the 2016. And the pinouts are different.

I just pulled apart the foam tape around the connectors, and there is indeed 3 plugs. Two large and a smaller one. Thanks for the heads up roadrunner. Updating original post to reflect 2016 amp

[ViperTony]

I just think it's great that speaker upgrades are being discussed an an ACR thread. :witless:

[TitanSnake]

I just think it's great that speaker upgrades are being discussed an an ACR thread. :witless:

LOL, I know. I thought I could live with the 3 speaker system. It's worse than just turning my phone on and listing to music through its built in speakers.

[gcrain]

I just think it's great that speaker upgrades are being discussed an an ACR thread. :witless:

On the off chance I don't want to listen to the engine I think I would go with an Ipod and noise cancelling earbuds.

[2doorrocket]

This is discontinued: 05035253AB with no superseding part number.

[ViperTony]

On the off chance I don't want to listen to the engine I think I would go with an Ipod and noise cancelling earbuds.

I was one of those guys berating the stereo system, any stereo system, in the GenV. But I now admit that I love the 18 speaker system. I may love it for the wrong reasons though because I crank it up to cancel out the drone in the cockpit. But it's a nice system.

[ViperSmith]

This is discontinued: 05035253AB with no superseding part number.

Is that the sub? I've got an extra somewhere I think.

[2doorrocket]

Is that the sub? I've got an extra somewhere I think.

Lol... Well then buddy, wanna find it, is it sealed? DM me ill buy it off you

[darbgnik]

Lol... Well then buddy, wanna find it, is it sealed? DM me ill buy it off you

I think I might have a couple left over as well, if you're referring to the 6x9s behind the seat, if Smith can't find em.

[gcrain]

I was one of those guys berating the stereo system, any stereo system, in the GenV. But I now admit that I love the 18 speaker system. I may love it for the wrong reasons though because I crank it up to cancel out the drone in the cockpit. But it's a nice system.

I knew some systems had this capability but i wasn't sure about the Viper. Does the meager stock system also have this? I would think it would be built into the head unit.

[mjorgensen]

This is discontinued: 05035253AB with no superseding part number.

Guys from Design replied to me last night, this part number is current and the problem is with the Mopar system they say, I'm trying to track down that angle now. Not unheard of so hopefully can be corrected soon for you all wanting to add back speakers to the ACR.

[2doorrocket]

Guys from Design replied to me last night, this part number is current and the problem is with the Mopar system they say, I'm trying to track down that angle now. Not unheard of so hopefully can be corrected soon for you all wanting to add back speakers to the ACR.

Just change the AB to AA and the part is in stock.

[mjorgensen]

Just change the AB to AA and the part is in stock.

Yes, but for some reason though they have the AB part as active, the AA part says in 13' out 13' the AB parts says in 13' and out 16' so trying to find out if anything has really changed in the connectors or spec that would prevent interchanging them with a 16' car.

[2doorrocket]

Yes, but for some reason though they have the AB part as active, the AA part says in 13' out 13' the AB parts says in 13' and out 16' so trying to find out if anything has really changed in the connectors or spec that would prevent interchanging them with a 16' car.

Have you found anything yet?

[dasvolk]

You guys should have bought TA 2.0s ;)

[TitanSnake]

All speakers on the list fit and are plug and play. The rear brackets are already existing just as roadrunner said. Once I receive the correct amp I will post if it works or not. No point on doing a write up until I know it works for sure, but I have no doubt it will.

So far the 2 door and 2 rear unity speakers work without the amp. Even though there is little low end response, it's still worlds better than the 3 speaker set up.

[ACR]

You guys should have bought TA 2.0s ;)

Why? 1 of 1 ACR are 2k more than standard and come with 18 speakers if one was so inclined

[TitanSnake]

Why? 1 of 1 ACR are 2k more than standard and come with 18 speakers if one was so inclined

Not to mention the 1 of 1 negates getting all the options one wants if someone already built one that way ;). This is an easy work around.

[2doorrocket]

So guys, do we have some instructions as how to put humpty dumpty back together again?

[KB Viper]

So guys, do we have some instructions as how to put humpty dumpty back together again?

bring it to my house Robzilla, I can get those speakers installed pretty easily.

[TitanSnake]

So guys, do we have some instructions as how to put humpty dumpty back together again?
Like I said, the install is probably the simplest install I have ever done. If you have read the instructions with the upgrade package, that is pretty much it. While doing the upper door speakers you simply put it the the door woofers. The rear most speakers it's literally two clips and the seal holding the rear panel carpet in place. I have pics of the install once I know it works.

[darbgnik]

If you're using the instructions from the speaker upgrade kit, they missed a screw hidden under the SRS badge on the door panels. 2013s and maybe 2014s didn't have this screw.

[TitanSnake]

If you're using the instructions from the speaker upgrade kit, they missed a screw hidden under the SRS badge on the door panels. 2013s and maybe 2014s didn't have this screw..


And you have to be carful pulling all those covers off too because the tabs are weak. I found the screw after I went to pull the first panel and found the panel rotating around the srs panel. Popped right off and of course a third screw. The door woofer also requires you to look under the panel to make sure all the posts are line up before reinstalling. If the woofer is not seated in its pocket properly, it will not allow the panel to rest fully against the door.

[TitanSnake]

woofer behind seat wires
14112

woofer buckets drivers side

[ATTACH=CONFIG]14113

rear speaker install
14114
14115
14116

[TitanSnake]

rear speaker installed
14117

none of my door speaker woofer install pics came out worth a damn. too dark when i put them in.

[Vprbite]

So guys, do we have some instructions as how to put humpty dumpty back together again?

If all the Kings horses and all the kimgs ken couldn't do it, what chance do we have? Though I gotta tell ya, horses, even the Kings horses, would be my last choice reassembling just about anything.

[ACR]

What's the quality of the drivers like? If crap I may buy the Dodge amp but go w aftermarket speakers

[TitanSnake]

What's the quality of the drivers like? If crap I may buy the Dodge amp but go w aftermarket speakers


Quality is actually really good for the price. 6x9's are flat style woofers as is the 6.5" in the door. Paper cones, but still nice. Plus they are the right impedance for the system.

[ACR]

06101736 qty 6 (screws for door woofers)
05035254AA qty 2 (door woofers)
05035253AB qty 1 (6x9 sub) Available???
05035308A qty 1 (unity speaker to add i addition to premium kit to use as rear most 3.5")
82213535 qty 1 ( this is the 12 to 18 speaker upgrade)
05035339AA qty 4 (buckets for 6x9's, needed as once you remove delete cover it goes to the outside)
68224519AD qty 1 (amp) OR is it 5035418AC ???

Titan Can you finalize the list including the right amp? Not sure if the above is the latest with 2016 amp p/n

[TitanSnake]

5035418AC Is the correct amp for 2016. Still trying to get my hands on one.

[TexasTonka]

Sweet! Hell I'd like to upgrade my TA2.0 to the 18 speaker and 2016 Amp, appreciate it guys.

[TitanSnake]

The 2016 amp will not work in the 2015. You need the other amp
68224519AD

[darbgnik]

Sweet! Hell I'd like to upgrade my TA2.0 to the 18 speaker and 2016 Amp, appreciate it guys.

The amp you have in yours is fine, you just need the speaker kit, and get the radio reflashed at the dealer to turn on the rear "subs" you added. The door speakers will play as soon as you install them.

[TexasTonka]

Great! Thanks again

[TexasTonka]

tentative parts list for those interested:

06101736 qty 6 (screws for door woofers)
05035254AA qty 2 (door woofers)
05035253AB qty 1 (6x9 sub)
05035308A qty 1 (unity speaker to add i addition to premium kit to use as rear most 3.5")
82213535 qty 1 ( this is the 12 to 18 speaker upgrade)
05035339AA qty 4 (buckets for 6x9's, needed as once you remove delete cover it goes to the outside)
68224519AD qty 1 (2013-15amp)
OR
5035418AC qty 1 (2016 amp (thanks roadrunner!))


note that the ACR already has the 3.5 unity center dash speaker, so the one supplied in the premium upgrade kit gets moved to the trunk in addition to the 1 in the parts list.

I am currently waiting for the above parts, and will let you guys know how it turns out. Ill take pics and installation notes along the way. good thing is, a lot of the work is already done and supplied by the premium upgrade kit.

Great work on the parts list, really appreciate the info. I just ordered 82213535 to upgrade my TA2.0 to the 18 speaker system. I do have one question though, it looks like I already have a grill and speaker in the center dash, not a cover like the upper door speakers. You mention using the extra 3.5" in the rear of the car. Where exactly are the rear speakers? I've look all around the hatch area but can't find where they would be.

[TexasTonka]

And one last question. Do I need "05035339AA qty 4 (buckets for 6x9's, needed as once you remove delete cover it goes to the outside)" if I am upgrading from the 12 to 18 system? I would assume if I do need them, I would only need 3?

[TitanSnake]

The list I compiled was to convert an ACR over. I am unfamiliar with the TA.

That said, the rear speakers are behind the carpeted panel that is in the rear center panel. It's the panel that covers the latch for the hatch.

The speaker buckets are needed for each 6x9 you add. The ACR has none, which is why 4 are needed.

[TitanSnake]

If you already have the front center speaker, obviously you don't need it. Hopefully someone else can chime in if the TA has the rear most 3.5" speakers. I am under the impression that it does, which means you wouldn't need them.

[TexasTonka]

Appreciate it, great thread and info

[darbgnik]

The only speakers you should have to add on a 2015 are the door speakers, and one additional "sub" behind each seat. You will need 2 of the speaker buckets for behind the seats, I didn't even know they were available when I did mine, but to be honest, I only ordered the upgrade kit so I didn't have to look at the blanks in the door, knowing there should be speakers there.......

Ordering this whole kit was still cheaper than ordering the individual pieces(door speaker grilles are pricey), even tough you end up with some extra parts. I have a spare center speaker with grill, as well as two extra behind the seats speakers

http://moparonlineparts.com/dodge-viper-speaker-upgrade-p-5838.html

[TexasTonka]

The only speakers you should have to add on a 2015 are the door speakers, and one additional "sub" behind each seat. You will need 2 of the speaker buckets for behind the seats, I didn't even know they were available when I did mine, but to be honest, I only ordered the upgrade kit so I didn't have to look at the blanks in the door, knowing there should be speakers there.......

Ordering this whole kit was still cheaper than ordering the individual pieces(door speaker grilles are pricey), even tough you end up with some extra parts. I have a spare center speaker with grill, as well as two extra behind the seats speakers

http://moparonlineparts.com/dodge-viper-speaker-upgrade-p-5838.html

I scored the upgrade kit on fleabay for $350 and I just ordered the buckets, ordered three just in case. I've seen a wrote up where a guy removed his door panels to find speakers there too, just no grills. I would think with as minor it is just to bolt in an extra 4 speakers all 2015+ Viper would come with the 18 speaker system. Looks like a very easy upgrade after the fact so at teh plant I can't see it taking more than an extra 5 minutes per car and $100 MAYBE in parts.

[ACR]

The only speakers you should have to add on a 2015 are the door speakers, and one additional "sub" behind each seat. You will need 2 of the speaker buckets for behind the seats, I didn't even know they were available when I did mine, but to be honest, I only ordered the upgrade kit so I didn't have to look at the blanks in the door, knowing there should be speakers there.......

Ordering this whole kit was still cheaper than ordering the individual pieces(door speaker grilles are pricey), even tough you end up with some extra parts. I have a spare center speaker with grill, as well as two extra behind the seats speakers

http://moparonlineparts.com/dodge-viper-speaker-upgrade-p-5838.html

but what are going to do for an amp? seems no one can source one

[darbgnik]

but what are going to do for an amp? seems no one can source one

Sorry, this thread went off tangent a bit. The last few posts were about 2015 cars. No info to add on the 2016 cars....

[SRT BILL]

Darbgnik do you have the part# for the speaker buckets??

[TexasTonka]

Sorry about that, didn't mean to high jack the thread for '15 TA models.
Great information in the thread!

For ACR owners I'll be posting up any unused speakers from the kit so you can piece a 12 or 18 speakers system together.

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

I Also have an Extra Center dash Tweeter And 2 Extra Rear Subs If Any Body Needs Them Too Upgrade There ACR. Make A Fair Offer And There Yours.

[darbgnik]

Darbgnik do you have the part# for the speaker buckets??

As taken from earlier in this thread:
05035339AA qty 4 (buckets for 6x9's, needed as once you remove delete cover it goes to the outside)

[SRT BILL]

Thanks Brad, guess I missed the earlier post.

[TitanSnake]

Thanks to FLATOUT I finally have an amp incoming. Should know later next week what programming steps are needed.

[2doorrocket]

Thanks to FLATOUT I finally have an amp incoming. Should know later next week what programming steps are needed.

My AMP showed up today, that part number listed earlier. I can't wait to take this thing apart and actually be able to listen to music on the damn thing lol

[2doorrocket]

Lol... So, 2 hours later, buckets, and speakers, and rear speakers are in. Door Panel is a treacherous motherfucker. It tried to eat my fingers 4 times. I won, moments later.

[ACR]

Thanks to FLATOUT I finally have an amp incoming. Should know later next week what programming steps are needed.

For a 16' MY? I was told there is no price given by Dodge and hence it couldn't be sold. P/N 5035418AC

[2doorrocket]

For a 16' MY? I was told there is no price given by Dodge and hence it couldn't be sold. P/N 5035418AC

I've got one, and it doesn't work, it fried my radio. There is some sort of tap on the harness for those 3 front speakers to get power, if you plug in the AMP it will simply blow up the radio.

[Dman]

I've got one, and it doesn't work, it fried my radio. There is some sort of tap on the harness for those 3 front speakers to get power, if you plug in the AMP it will simply blow up the radio.

Well damn, that sucks. I know folks really appreciate all the info on this project that probably 90% of ACR owners will be interested in, sorry you had this happen for your trouble, hope it works out and you get it replaced/squared away, the price of being a pioneer on something can be pain, best of luck & keep us posted.

[TexasTonka]

Don't get excited yet, the two brackets for the rear two 3.5's are discontinued. Going to have to find a work around if they are not in the car already.

TitanSnake- I have two brand new rear brackets for the rear 3.5" speakers. If you need them let me know.

[TitanSnake]

TitanSnake- I have two brand new rear brackets for the rear 3.5" speakers. If you need them let me know.

Thanks, but all cars already come with them, including the ACR. It's also where the push pins slide into to hold the rear carpeted panel.

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

Well As I Figured Would Be The Case , Just Installed The Speakers In The Doors , And As We All Know They Work, It's The Rear Subs That Don't, And The Radio Was Updated For The 18 Speakers ,I Know Because The Radio Now Has The Surround Sound Option, And That's Not There On The 12 Speaker Set Up, Same Shit With My T/A,Only The Fronts And No Rear Subs. Oh Well I Give Up , Now I Got 16 Speakers At Least, *uck It!!!!!!!

[roadrunner]

The 12 speaker systems have the surround option... So maybe the dealer set the option to RC5 (12 speaker), whereas you want RCA (18 speaker).

But yes you are close if you have that menu option and have fade/balance/volume via the AMP.

[bluesrt]

shouldn't all this shit come with simple instructions?

[2doorrocket]

shouldn't all this shit come with simple instructions?

No because we're all trying to put a square peg in a round hole lol

[TitanSnake]

The 12 speaker systems have the surround option... So maybe the dealer set the option to RC5 (12 speaker), whereas you want RCA (18 speaker).

But yes you are close if you have that menu option and have fade/balance/volume via the AMP.

is there possibly another jumper somewhere to connect to provide power to the subs?

[2doorrocket]

is there possibly another jumper somewhere to connect to provide power to the subs?

I think the vehicle was coded wrong. Have the dealer reflash, make sure the jumper is properly connected under the steering column. If that's not in Full Audio it wont work.

[Rapidrezults]

I was really hoping this would've been a simple add on. Nothing is ever simple, I guess. I'm leaning more toward a decent aftermarket setup at this point. To those taking the first stab at this I applaud you! I really hope this thread paves the way for a successful upgrade at some point.

[Dman]

Well As I Figured Would Be The Case , Just Installed The Speakers In The Doors , And As We All Know They Work, It's The Rear Subs That Don't, And The Radio Was Updated For The 18 Speakers ,I Know Because The Radio Now Has The Surround Sound Option, And That's Not There On The 12 Speaker Set Up, Same Shit With My T/A,Only The Fronts And No Rear Subs. Oh Well I Give Up , Now I Got 16 Speakers At Least, *uck It!!!!!!!

Jeff, surprised you didn't just have VE do this mod when it arrived. Would've been easier ... and everyone could've cheated off it, lol. Looks like you're very close though. I mean 16 speakers is great progress.

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

Hey Dave , All I Had Viper Exchange Do ,Was Flash The Radio, I Had The Speaker Kit Here From My T/A,That I Took Out Before Trading It In, Had The Same Issue With The ta, Just The Fronts Had Sound And The Radio Was Flashed, And The Rear Subs Nothing, I Started With The 12 System , And Just The Doors Had Sound As Soon As Its Plugged In , All Cars That Have The 12 Speaker Set Up And Do Not Flash The Radio,The Door Speakers Work Instantly.The REAR Subs Are The Issue. Remember One Speaker To Them Counts As 2 Speakers , The Speakers You Add Has A Tweeter And Mid,All In One Counts As 2 Speakers, Which Is Deceptive In My Eyes, But What Ever,, I Called SRT And They Told Me To Go Back To The Dealer, No Help There.

[Russ Oasis]

Dman, Andy at the VE was hesitant to do mine (they sold me the car). He wanted to wait until the bugs with the additional speakers were more ironed out.

[TitanSnake]

If the vehicle is coded correctly, there has to be either a jumper we are missing for the subs, or there is a different amp, as obviously the subs are not getting power. Can someone with a 2016 viper with the 18 speaker system from the factory check to be sure they have the same amp?

[roadrunner]

Yes the amp is identical between the 12 and 18 speaker setups... the difference is what EQ the amp is set to. And that comes in from the Sales codes that are loaded from the dealer tool. If the 3rd and 4th subs are off-line, the EQ is in 12 speaker mode. I think 12 speaker is RC5 sales code. 18 speaker is RCA sales code. The ACR non-external amp speaker system is RC8.

The subwoofer amplifier channel outputs are disabled when the 12 channel EQ is set. You can see there is no audio on those channels right at the amp... same amp in a 18 speaker car, and the additional outputs go live.

A district service manager showed on a tool only the factory service mangers have called is think "CDA?" that an 18 speaker car has "Cabin Equalization Curve Number" set to "Viper System 2 (Harman Class D)", and on a 12 speaker car it is "Viper System 1 (Harman Class D)", and finally on an ACR with the three speaker system it said "2-Speaker Base (Race car) (ZD)"

Now thats not something the average dealer can even see... so I'm not sure how you do it without getting regional support involved???

The jumper under the dash by the steering column is just for looping the headunit outputs directly to the dash speakers... the other position of the jumper removes the loop and sends headunit output to the amp inputs, and the amp outputs to the speaker locations. This jumper system appears only on vehicles built with the RC8 (3 speaker) audio. It appears they were preparing for a future Mopar kit...

[TitanSnake]

and here we are being impatient, LOL. Thanks again roadrunner!

[2doorrocket]

I've got a Field Engineer coming to install my new radio, and reflash my car. LOL We shall figure this out, it can't possibly be this complicated. I will post instructions of the entire process in another post.

[darbgnik]

Well, even without all the "subs" working, this is still a worthwhile improvement over the 3 dash speakers, to keep it in perspective.....

By the way, this was my solution to the sub issue, even after buying the speaker upgrade.


But something to keep I mind, to anyone considering installing a stand alone sub in the hatch; At certain frequencies, at elevated volumes, the hatch itself will rattle noticeably due to the sound pressure levels in the hatch area, something you won't have to worry about with the factory pieces behind the seats.

[ViperTony]

I've got a Field Engineer coming to install my new radio, and reflash my car. LOL We shall figure this out, it can't possibly be this complicated. I will post instructions of the entire process in another post.

That's great news!

http://www.funtoxin.com/cosmos/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/12-1685159679.jpg

[RickyBobby]

Going through this speaker upgrade process with the local dealer right now with my 2014 SRT and running into the SW problems mentioned in this post about getting the last (2) 6x9 subs behind the seats to enable. Did you have any progress with the regional rep and your dealer?


I've got a Field Engineer coming to install my new radio, and reflash my car. LOL We shall figure this out, it can't possibly be this complicated. I will post instructions of the entire process in another post.

[Coloviper]

Sure seems simpler if they would have just had 18 speaker stereo as standard equipment for all. No options! Glad someone is documenting what to do. Most 14's I am looking at used, have standard 12 speaker system and I would sure want to have the 18 speaker in it eventually.

[AZTVR]

Sure seems simpler if they would have just had 18 speaker stereo as standard equipment for all. No options! Glad someone is documenting what to do. Most 14's I am looking at used, have standard 12 speaker system and I would sure want to have the 18 speaker in it eventually.

I think that they thought that they were making a statement about the ACR being a race car. Looks like they didn't read their market quite right. They should have made the speaker un-delete be an option. That way people could have a version one step lower than a hardcore version.

[2doorrocket]

Field Engineer replaced the radio, he couldn't figure out how to enable the amp and said at this time someone at Chrysler needs to recode my VIN in order for them to be able to push down the software to enable the AMP. At least I have a new radio tho.

[04mystic]

Well As I Figured Would Be The Case , Just Installed The Speakers In The Doors , And As We All Know They Work, It's The Rear Subs That Don't, And The Radio Was Updated For The 18 Speakers ,I Know Because The Radio Now Has The Surround Sound Option, And That's Not There On The 12 Speaker Set Up, Same Shit With My T/A,Only The Fronts And No Rear Subs. Oh Well I Give Up , Now I Got 16 Speakers At Least, *uck It!!!!!!!


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjlhMz_hfPJAhXDOyYKHYhNBR8QFgglMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.grammarbook.com%2Fpunctuation %2Fcapital.asp&usg=AFQjCNFXuKWvelniqpKNtvqCBwTjS6wWPA

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

Wow. didn't know this thread had to be correct with punctuation as well as my grammar! Well, this is a first! Let's keep this thread on topic, and I am (I'm) being nice! But, Thank you, 04mystic:t0152: . , !

[v10enomous]

How much does it cost to go from the 12 speaker system to 18 in a GTC ACR ?

[CarolinaViper]

How much does it cost to go from the 12 speaker system to 18 in a GTC ACR ?

About $2000

[TitanSnake]

Field Engineer replaced the radio, he couldn't figure out how to enable the amp and said at this time someone at Chrysler needs to recode my VIN in order for them to be able to push down the software to enable the AMP. At least I have a new radio tho.


I hooked mine up today as well, no go. I was hoping all i had to put in was the fuse in block 49 of the fuse panel to get it activated, but it was already there.

[ACR]

Might as well go with aftermarket amp and a LOC, simplest solution

[Junkie]

Might as well go with aftermarket amp and a LOC, simplest solution
That's what I will be doing

[TitanSnake]

I'm not ready to give up on it. It's going to be something simple we are missing and it will be an easy upgrade once we figure it out.

[jkviper]

here is the install instruction for the 12 to 18 speaker upgrade, on page 9 it explains the VIN and sales code need to be changed to get all 18 speakers working.

sort of interesting that the speaker upgrade kit is $569 and it cost $2000 for the sound system upgrade from the factory. I wonder how much the dealer charges to upgrade the sales code in the radio to activate the 18 speaker equalization.

http://www.moparonlineparts.com/docs/82213535.pdf

[ViperSmith]

here is the install instruction for the 12 to 18 speaker upgrade, on page 9 it explains the VIN and sales code need to be changed to get all 18 speakers working.

sort of interesting that the speaker upgrade kit is $569 and it cost $2000 for the sound system upgrade from the factory. I wonder how much the dealer charges to upgrade the sales code in the radio to activate the 18 speaker equalization.

http://www.moparonlineparts.com/docs/82213535.pdf

Cost me $50

[jkviper]

Cost me $50

well, that sounds like the way to go.

[1.8t]

here is the install instruction for the 12 to 18 speaker upgrade, on page 9 it explains the VIN and sales code need to be changed to get all 18 speakers working.

sort of interesting that the speaker upgrade kit is $569 and it cost $2000 for the sound system upgrade from the factory. I wonder how much the dealer charges to upgrade the sales code in the radio to activate the 18 speaker equalization.

http://www.moparonlineparts.com/docs/82213535.pdf

This doesn't work. I had have had 2 separate dealers try and even watched as they followed the directions to the "T" and my additional subs still don't work. There is more to this equation that what is conveyed in the instructions.

[TitanSnake]

hey roadrunner or anyone else, was looking around the rear of the trunk, and found one jumper not connected that has masking tape on it. Found a picture of a car with the amp installed, and its connected to what appears to be a distribution block of some sort. Any idea on what this is highlighted by the arrows? one arrow points to the block, the other to the jumper marked by tape thats plugged in. Probably just grasping at strings, but you never know.

14708

[TitanSnake]

Here is the same connector in my car. Is it possible it's part of the canbus system? It would explain why we can't get the amp to turn on because the system cannot see it.



14713

[darbgnik]

Here is the same connector in my car. Is it possible it's part of the canbus system? It would explain why we can't get the amp to turn on because the system cannot see it.



14713

Mine definitely has that jumper there, in my car with the 12 speaker stereo. It's plugged into the second from the left of that green block(looking from the back of the car), but for some reason I can't upload a pic at the moment.....

So I'd say you are onto something!

[2doorrocket]

Mine definitely has that jumper there, in my car with the 12 speaker stereo. It's plugged into the second from the left of that green block(looking from the back of the car), but for some reason I can't upload a pic at the moment.....

So I'd say you are onto something!

I wonder if that's the jumper for the active damping suspension. Idk what it is, does anyone have a 1 of 1 ACR with speakers in the damn thing? That can post a pic of their trunk

[darbgnik]

I wonder if that's the jumper for the active damping suspension. Idk what it is, does anyone have a 1 of 1 ACR with speakers in the damn thing? That can post a pic of their trunk
Mine doesn't have the two mode suspension, so it's definitely not for that. I'd guess it's to do with the stereo.

[2doorrocket]

Mine doesn't have the two mode suspension, so it's definitely not for that. I'd guess it's to do with the stereo.

Send me a picture of your trunk to 415-889-9490

[darbgnik]

Send me a picture of your trunk to 415-889-9490

Sent. Ill try to upload later for everyone else.

[ViperTony]

FWIW, here's a pic of my trunk connector. '13 GTS with HK 18 speakers.

14722

[TitanSnake]

I doubt it's for the mag ride, I'm betting it's how the antenna for the radio and gps are connected to the head unit. It's most likely the turn on lead.

[2doorrocket]

I doubt it's for the mag ride, I'm betting it's how the antenna for the radio and gps are connected to the head unit. It's most likely the turn on lead.

This jumper is actually required in order for the mag ride / adcm controller to be recognized by the vehicle. I'm betting it's also what allows the AMP to communicate as well. Because the SRT models with Track Pack have this jumper plugged in and they don't have mag ride.

[Bamfordr]

Bumping this to see if the OP was successful with the OEM 18 speaker upgrade? Have a '17 ACR coming with 3 speakers soon.

[TitanSnake]

It works perfect. The problem now is getting all the parts.

[ViperJon]

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/12013-Installation-Instructions-for-SRT-18-Speaker-High-Performance-Audio-in-Viper-ACR-16

Read the posts especially at the end.