Disappearing Thread?

[Rocket]

Please tell me we are not going down this road .....

[plumcrazy]

which one ? OP ha asked for his vca v voa thread to be deleted. i obliged

[Policy Limits]

I voted to burn it. Any luck? Lol

[plumcrazy]

no fire, just a delete...lol

[Rocket]

The only problem with that is do the other 30 or so people that commented on the thread agree to have their post deleted as well? I think it sets a bad precedent.

[Fatboy 18]

:t0152: I'm happy it was deleted

[BlknBlu]

If an original poster wants his or her thread deleted, I do not see it a problem. I have actually had several threads here deleted due to changes on the initial forum being set up and a new region being created.

Bruce

[F2V]

which one ? OP ha asked for his vca v voa thread to be deleted. i obliged

Confirmed! I felt it was getting out of hand, and not conducive to the direction we are moving at VOA. I originally thought it was an FYi in sillyness, but took on a life of its own, wound up opening olf sores...past history. I apologize to anyone affronted by the deletion.

[Space Truckin]

:t0152: I'm happy it was deleted

^^^^ What he said^^^^

[whitebeard]

Ask yourself this. What value is trying to compare both sites? One has made a massive effort to be more receptive to the membership. One has tried to make members feel involved. One has gone so far as to post meeting minutes. Which is showing an interest in it's membership and answering questions, and which hasn't?

Then we can all get a beer and watch the races.

[Policy Limits]

Or the game...damn u Miami! Lol

[AZTVR]

I would suggest that any actions taken by moderators be explained in the thread if the software allows it. In other words, in the thread in question, have one post left in the thread that says thread deleted at request of the thread starter. If the title is controversial, maybe abbreviate it or something.

Same for moderated posts that are edited or removed. Just so that folks know what was "wrong."

[VYPR BYT]

there seems to be a whole lot of baggage around here... no wonder why of course

[Policy Limits]

Yeah I think deep down certain folks want the drama; not this guy.


Delete it burn it and urinate on the ashes.

[Coloviper]

Well that was pointless wasting my time even responding in that thread positively. Whatever!!!! One honest thread delete so far for me and now questioning the value responding to other threads. Might have to spend more time with the family and less time on the website/chat rooms like this.

Just deleting threads outright as in erase rather than shutdown, locked out no view and message that said deleted at request of op or something are two different things. Sorry but the delete actions brings back wounds from days of yore. Despite the intentions thus far, that action and my thread delete thus far has me on skeptical alert with all this. Time will tell if anything is actually going to be different in the long run. Man that is disappointing though, this early on.

[ViperSmith]

Well that was pointless wasting my time even responding in that thread positively. Whatever!!!! One honest thread delete so far for me and now questioning the value responding to other threads. Might have to spend more time with the family and less time on the website/chat rooms like this.

Just deleting threads outright as in erase rather than shutdown, locked out no view and message that said deleted at request of op or something are two different things. Sorry but the delete actions brings back wounds from days of yore. Despite the intentions thus far, that action and my thread delete thus far has me on skeptical alert with all this. Time will tell if anything is actually going to be different in the long run. Man that is disappointing though, this early on.

I disagree with your assessment - I see no reason to bring up the other entity. We need to move forward. What happened is in the past - no need to bring its negativity over here!

[VYPR BYT]

Well that was pointless wasting my time even responding in that thread positively. Whatever!!!! One honest thread delete so far for me and now questioning the value responding to other threads. Might have to spend more time with the family and less time on the website/chat rooms like this.

Just deleting threads outright as in erase rather than shutdown, locked out no view and message that said deleted at request of op or something are two different things. Sorry but the delete actions brings back wounds from days of yore. Despite the intentions thus far, that action and my thread delete thus far has me on skeptical alert with all this. Time will tell if anything is actually going to be different in the long run. Man that is disappointing though, this early on.
Dude, we all went thru the same crap you did at vca... refer above to post #13.
Don't let the stuff from over there ruin our mojo. Take a deep breathe and realize the op asked it be deleted.
Don't sweat it, really... no conspiracy here. :-)

[Coloviper]

Don't get me wrong, I am in full agreement on the fact we don't need a myriad of VCA threads, debates, etc. over here despite the time I took to try to contribute in a positive manner to the one that disappeared. Where I am disappointed is in flat out erase of threads or disappearing threads versus a lockout with reason. Boils down to a trust issue when it is flat out deleted versus locked out with reason stated. Don't repeat mistakes of the past as this action alone was a major issue in the past. That is not a negative thing, but constructive criticism. Sorry, just wasn't expecting it that's all.

[01sapphirebob]

I have the utmost confidence and respect in the modeators on this forum. They were picked for their positions based on past expereince. The fact that the OP of the thread in question asked that the thread be removed/deleted makes this an open and shut case. At that point nothing is owed to anyone else. Now if it was a thread that a moderator decided to close i'm sure there would be a post by one of them stating why it was closed and left for those to see. Lets not start going down that road of "It's just like the old place." I can assure you that it is not.

[viperdan]

I have the utmost confidence and respect in the modeators on this forum. They were picked for their positions based on past expereince. The fact that the OP of the thread in question asked that the thread be removed/deleted makes this an open and shut case. At that point nothing is owed to anyone else. Now if it was a thread that a moderator decided to close i'm sure there would be a post by one of them stating why it was closed and left for those to see. Lets not start going down that road of "It's just like the old place." I can assure you that it is not.

XXXXXXXXX ten! Well said Bob.

[Rocket]

So are we saying that any time an OP wants his thread deleted, it get's deleted?

Again, I think this sets a bad precedent. OP starts a thread, disagrees with what is posted in it, asks that the thread be removed, and poof - it's gone?

[F2V]

So are we saying that any time an OP wants his thread deleted, it get's deleted?

Again, I think this sets a bad precedent. OP starts a thread, disagrees with what is posted in it, asks that the thread be removed, and poof - it's gone?

Dude...get a handle on this! Several people requested in the thread, that it be deleted...which you damn well knew about. Further a moderator posted he would ask my (OP) permission to delete it (twice). The moderator pm'd me and asked my permission to delete it. I didn't ask why, as it was clearly obvious after I read through the 20 or so posts, as I have stated above. I didn't wake up this morning, and say gee, I don't like this thread...but when respected people here, felt it was getting out of hand...I agreed and complied.

As for a moderator message when a thread is deleted with reasoning. That makes sense, but I'm sure it was an oversight..as it was very clear this morning where this threat was headed. Let's not drive off the road over this please :-)

[Viper Girl]

If someone asks us to change or help with a thread title... we do... Its that simple.

Posts and threads are not going to go poof, or get locked for that matter as many are used to happening on other sites.
We are a new forum. We have a nice place set up... People seem pretty happy here... We are not going to ruin it by being controlling moderators.

[plumcrazy]

you can be sure no threads will be deleted from here out. they will be closed with a reason posted. simple fix.

and the 2 times i think i had to edit or moderate, a note was sent to the poster. and IIRC the original poster has the ability to delete their own thread with no reason or cause but i might be wrong

[ViperSmith]

So are we saying that any time an OP wants his thread deleted, it get's deleted?

Again, I think this sets a bad precedent. OP starts a thread, disagrees with what is posted in it, asks that the thread be removed, and poof - it's gone?

Way it works on a lot of forums I visit... Usually the thread starter can delete their own threads.

You guys are creating a mountain out of an ant hill.

[Newport Viper]

We own VIPERS .............expect drama!

[Red Snake]

Surely you people don't expect an entire internet talk forum to be operated and NO threads EVER get deleted?



Get real, lol.

[slysnake]

I don't know what thread is being discussed, but as a general practice I'm against deleting threads. People that want to edit their own posts should do that. Mods need to close a thread then that's fine. They put a final post on it "Thread closed because ....". Closed is not the same as deleted.

[Janni]

If the OP wants it deleted - it should be deleted. What if someone posted something they decided wasn't too smart / was too personal / wasn't really how they felt / posted while angry / drunk / stoned on thanksgiving turkey - and wanted it gone? If 30 people had commented on it (ikely because it was all the above!), it's still fair to delete.

It's not often in life you get a "do-over" - and even less so with the internet - but if someone changes their mind about sharing and starting a thread and they want it gone - it's still the one thing we can do to help not immortalize their error in judgment.

Again - it's up to the OP. This one could have gone either way. But I am not sure we want to allow the OP to lock threads? Do we? Locking is almost always done as a moderator issue - and I am sure the black heli's would have been circling if we just locked it, wouldn't they?

[VYPR BYT]

Everything is answered on the 1st page... that is if ya can read past a 5th grade level.


which one ? OP ha asked for his vca v voa thread to be deleted. i obliged
The above post tells us who, what, when, where and why.
Then, after seeing a few reactions to it, and realizing it was a simple oversight, he later follows up with a solution to preclude this from ever happening again.


you can be sure no threads will be deleted from here out. they will be closed with a reason posted. simple fix.


Open-n-Shut case as I see it!

So imho, anyone questioning beyond this point is doing so at the risk of making themselves look stupid or antagonistic.
Mike

[F2V]

<<< it's still the one thing we can do to help not immortalize their error in judgment.>>>

Wow, this has taken on a life beyond the cancelled thread! Anyway, if the above quote is directed at me, for the record I made no error in judgement, either in starting the thread or cancelling/deleting it. Further, I never posted in the thread, other than starting it.

[Rocket]

F2V - "Dude" ... glad you finally get it ... it always was about more than your cancelled thread.

[City]

This first appropriate thread deletion is obviously causing some unfortunate flashbacks. As other mods have mentioned and I will pledge (as long as I'm around :D), threads will NEVER disappear here without due process and notification. At present, we're considering means to insure that the question of this thread never appears again.



Part of the reason we are all here is due to the deceitful manipulation of posts and threads. Many of us were subject to this and it's simply ugly to experience. IMO, probably a good thing that folks are ticked. Such will NOT occur here!

[F2V]

F2V - "Dude" ... glad you finally get it ... it always was about more than your cancelled thread.

Dude is cool...btw, we have bookend Vipers!!

[Troublemaker]

This first appropriate thread deletion is obviously causing some unfortunate flashbacks. As other mods have mentioned and I will pledge (as long as I'm around :D), threads will NEVER disappear here without due process and notification. At present, we're considering means to insure that the question of this thread never appears again.



Part of the reason we are all here is due to the deceitful manipulation of posts and threads. Many of us were subject to this and it's simply ugly to experience. IMO, probably a good thing that folks are ticked. Such will NOT occur here!

Since we all came from somewhere that did this on a regular basis, everyone is a little jumpy. Respect is earned not given, the explanation as to why it was done is where the respect comes from. Plum said this is something that will never happen again, but I still think the OP should retain the power to do what they want with their thread or post if is going in a way that was/is never intended.