DSE-VP-CC-002 Gen V Catch Can Kit Group Buy

[SSGNRDZ_28]

There has been quite a bit of interest in the Gen V catch can solution. The design is finalized and I’m ready to begin production and would like to kick things off with a group buy. This will serve to lower the price for everyone and also help fund the production.

These kits are complete including catch can(s), clamping bracket(s), fitting(s), adapter(s), caps, ty-wraps, etc. All the end user needs to do is determine the best location for their can(s), install, and cut the hoses length. The kits will work on all Gen V Vipers and offer multiple mounting locations for flexibility with other aftermarket items such as damper canisters.

To participate in the group buy please pay via my website prior to the cutoff date (Nov 6).

Estimated Timeline (subject to delays beyond my control):

Deadline to commit to group purchase: Nov 6 (please order via website or contact for other means of payment).
Estimated ship dates beginning with prepaid orders: Week of Nov 30

Shipping costs (USPS Priority Mail): $15

The website is ready for prepay orders; there are multiple links setup depending on your configuration.

http://dougshelbyengineering.com/Viper.html

These kits will also be available through Woodhouse and Viper Exchange should you want to have them installed before the car leaves the dealership. If so please contact Mark or Andy to purchase.

Original thread:

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/9412-Coming-Soon-Gen-V-Non-Invasive-Catch-Can-Bracket-DSE-VP-CC-002

Installation Instructions:

http://dougshelbyengineering.com/uploads/DSE_Dodge_Viper_Gen_V_Non-Invasive_Vented_and_Sealed_Catch_Can_Kits_R9.pdf

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Thanks,
Doug

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

Awesome , So Which Set Up Will I Need For The 16 Car I Have Coming In , Open Or Closed System ??? Single Or Dual Cans ?? I'm Thinking The Dual Input , Vented Is The Way To Go.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

All versions will install on all years. The only change to 2016 was the driver side valve cover plumbing exit location. This means there is less of a chance of oil getting from the valve cover to the air filter on 2016+.

The main decision is vented or sealed and that is personal preference depending on how you will use the car. Vented vents the fumes into the atmosphere and sealed keeps the PCV system intact but collects the oil and keeps the manifold / air filter clean. ACR-X used a vented design and this is the preference for heavy track use. I would use a sealed design for a street only car.

If you choose sealed on a 2016+ you can probably get away with a single passenger side can and keep an eye on the air filter. If there was an issue for some reason you could always add the driver side can later. If I had a 2013-2015 and wanted a sealed system I would get dual cans just due to the possible oil on the air filter during some driving conditions.

If you choose vented you will take care of both sides with one can.

Hope this helps, there is more information in the installation guide.

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

Thx , Sealed System Single Can , Order Placed !!!! Now I Just Need My ACR.

[KB Viper]

All versions will install on all years. The only change to 2016 was the driver side valve cover plumbing exit location. This means there is less of a chance of oil getting from the valve cover to the air filter on 2016+.

The main decision is vented or sealed and that is personal preference depending on how you will use the car. Vented vents the fumes into the atmosphere and sealed keeps the PCV system intact but collects the oil and keeps the manifold / air filter clean. ACR-X used a vented design and this is the preference for heavy track use. I would use a sealed design for a street only car.

If you choose sealed on a 2016+ you can probably get away with a single passenger side can and keep an eye on the air filter. If there was an issue for some reason you could always add the driver side can later. If I had a 2013-2015 and wanted a sealed system I would get dual cans just due to the possible oil on the air filter during some driving conditions.

If you choose vented you will take care of both sides with one can.

Hope this helps, there is more information in the installation guide.

Doug--awesome set up, i'm ready to order but have one question. when you say the vented can is best for heavy track use and the sealed is good for a street car which would you say i need if i have a 14 that i use as a DD but track it 3 maybe 4 times a year?
Kris

[SSGNRDZ_28]

- Both systems reduce oil entering the intake manifold / airbox and therefore reduce detonation / carbon build-up, oil mixing with fuel causing reduced fuel octane, reduced performance, reduced MPG, etc.

- Both systems condense and separate oil / water / fuel from the blow by gasses and collect them in the can. The difference is what happens to the gasses once the majority of the oil/water have been removed.

Sealed
- Gasses are put back into the engine
- No chance for fumes
- Quicker and easier to remove for emissions inspections as needed


Vented / Breather
- Vents the gasses into the atmosphere "Off Road Use Only"
- The venting relieves excess pressure / drag on the engine under high load and RPM
- Possible fumes
- Slightly more time consuming to return to stock for emissions testing as needed


Many of us use the cars for both the track and the street so which type of can you purchase depends on the ratio of track to street and your personal preference. If you want maximum performance and don’t care about possible fumes, emissions, venting into the atmosphere go for the vented. If you want to keep the emissions system intact and want 0% chance of fumes go with one of the sealed setups.

I think locating a vented can on the side near the gills would evacuate the fumes well but I’m not sure if the air would be taken in with a window down. Certainly locating the can on the side will cool it and allow for more effective condensation of the sludge.

To answer your question, Kris, in my opinion for a daily driver I would use a sealed system. I would probably only go vented once the car usage was more track than street.

[TrackratViper]

This is exactly what I have been looking for. Ordered placed.

[KB Viper]

thanks for the response Doug, placing order for sealed version now.

[sharmut]

Doug,

What is the service internal?

https://www.radiumauto.com/Universal...-Can-P289.aspx

[SSGNRDZ_28]

sharmut,

The Radium can I originally made a prototype bracket for was abandoned due to the size and fitting arrangement. I needed to find something smaller and I also needed to find a dual input vented solution. What is included now is as follows:

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The design is a bit different from most out there. Air coming in is directed in a rotational pattern by the deflector on the input port to give it more time to condense on the baffle. The aluminum baffle promotes condensation but also serves to contain the liquid at the bottom of the can during track running. Finally the air exiting the can is filtered by a 50 micron bronze filter. There is also threaded plug at the bottom that could be removed for a drain / valve but the can is easy to check and drain by unscrewing the base. All of the components are removable and washable.

The can is not of a DSE design but extensive engineering went into it. Is produced by Mishimoto and if you’d like to learn about the design and testing efforts that went into providing the best can possible you can read this blog: http://engineering.mishimoto.com/?cat=124

To adapt this can to the Viper application I’ve obviously designed the aluminum clamping bracket, but not so obviously custom black anodized aluminum fittings will be included in the kit. I couldn’t find everything I needed for a fitting on the market in a material that was suitable so the hose barb splices and PCV eliminator are of DSE design. As a result everything is either stainless steel or aluminum. I didn’t want anything in mild steel or plastic or parts that were too large, and this gave me an opportunity to design the perfect parts in some cases cheaper than a commercially available part.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

I also had an inquiry for two single input vented cans. The idea was to put one on each side to keep things symmetrical but to also avoid hoses crossing the engine bay. The result is about 3 feet of hose total vs 8 or 10 feet. I've added it to the website in case anyone might be interested. Needless to say custom options are available so just PM or email me if you want something that isn't shown.

[TexasTonka]

I had ordered a single dual inlet vented can but like teh idea of two seperate vented cans, this shoudl really help vent the gases better with using one on each bank. Can I chnage my order and how?

[SSGNRDZ_28]

I had ordered a single dual inlet vented can but like teh idea of two seperate vented cans, this shoudl really help vent the gases better with using one on each bank. Can I chnage my order and how?

Yes, no problem. I'll refund you and you can just order the kit on the website.

[TexasTonka]

Yes, no problem. I'll refund you and you can just order the kit on the website.



Just confirmed payment for the dual vented cans.

Thank you Doug, always great working with you. Fantastic customer service at every transaction.

[sharmut]

After doing a bit more research online and running into the Mishimoto, design glad to hear the radium didn't work out and moved to the Mishimoto.

[Jack B]

Is there a drain option

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Is there a drain option

I can look into it, are you just looking for a valve or a hose setup kit, etc.

The bottom is easy to unscrew and pour, the drain would be only slightly more convenient.

[caseyse]

I can look into it, are you just looking for a valve or a hose setup kit, etc.

The bottom is easy to unscrew and pour, the drain would be only slightly more convenient.

I have already placed my order, but would love a petcock (maybe a petcock w. elbow outlet). I like wedging a used oil container under the can to drain, avoiding drips with the screw off bottom.

[Simms]

Definitely in, just need to decide the exact setup.

[FSTENUF]

Definitely in, just need to decide the exact setup.


Let me know and I will order the same set up.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

I have already placed my order, but would love a petcock (maybe a petcock w. elbow outlet). I like wedging a used oil container under the can to drain, avoiding drips with the screw off bottom.

I will find a small valve for the bottom. Since the entire can bottom screws off that may end up being less of a mess in some situations plus you can inspect the fluid level. It would probably actually be quicker to just unscrew the can. 13620

There also may not leave much room to fit a container under the can so you might be looking at a hose, etc. for not much, if any added convenience.
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[caseyse]

I see, there is no room to dump into a container. Screwing off the bottom looks like the best option.

[SilveRT8]

I see, there is no room to dump into a container. Screwing off the bottom looks like the best option.

Screw that !

[donk_316]

Can these mounts be used on a different can?

I really would prefer to use a RX catch can. They come in single and dual in AND sealed. They also come with a petcock and drain hose. Also they are easily the best designed can out there.

Vented is nearly useless. I believe the sealed system is actually a better system as it creates an upper engine "vacuum" as the air is sucked through the can and into the intake. No deposits on the intake as the RX takes everything out of the air.

You drain it every other fuel up or whatever and youre golden. I drain mine into a coffee cup and toss it in the garbage at the gas station!

http://www.rxspeedworks.com/product/catch-can-kits/

Ive used these... everything else is just some mesh or stainless steel wool in a can.

From their site:

Some years back there was a University of Maine study on Oil separating catch cans, back then we were known as RevXtreme. The study showed that your average catch can like the one shown above that can be purchased for under $100 is about 15% efficient at catching foul vapors. Then your higher end catch cans were about 45-55% when connected in between the PCV and intake manifold. The RX catch can with a clean side separator to alleviate air flow restriction and a secondary vacuum connection was above 90% effective. Today, years later it’s the same story.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Can these mounts be used on a different can?

I really would prefer to use a RX catch can. They come in single and dual in AND sealed. They also come with a petcock and drain hose. Also they are easily the best designed can out there.

Vented is nearly useless. I believe the sealed system is actually a better system as it creates an upper engine "vacuum" as the air is sucked through the can and into the intake. No deposits on the intake as the RX takes everything out of the air.

You drain it every other fuel up or whatever and youre golden. I drain mine into a coffee cup and toss it in the garbage at the gas station!

http://www.rxspeedworks.com/product/catch-can-kits/

Ive used these... everything else is just some mesh or stainless steel wool in a can.

From their site:

Some years back there was a University of Maine study on Oil separating catch cans, back then we were known as RevXtreme. The study showed that your average catch can like the one shown above that can be purchased for under $100 is about 15% efficient at catching foul vapors. Then your higher end catch cans were about 45-55% when connected in between the PCV and intake manifold. The RX catch can with a clean side separator to alleviate air flow restriction and a secondary vacuum connection was above 90% effective. Today, years later it’s the same story.

Certainly the Rx can is a good product, I considered it for this application, but so is the Mishimoto can I’m offering. There’s a lot of information in this thread about the Mishimoto engineering efforts.

The disadvantage of the Rx can for the Gen V Viper application is its overall size and layout. This is only due to space limitations within the engine bay, etc.. Rx mentions this is an advantage due to better oil separation which is true, however, the Mishimoto can utilizes a brass filter instead of size to promote complete filtering of contaminants from the air.

There are a lot of good posts and threads on this forum about catch cans. Some have done their own which is always an option. As you have mentioned multiple times, you want to use an Rx can on your Viper. Unfortunately the bracket I’ve designed won’t work with the Rx can, but I'm sure if you order a Rx can test fit with your Viper you can get something to work.

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Screw that !

There is a generic drain kit offered by Mishimoto and I’m sure it will work for those set on having one. I’m happy to add this to my website at cost and include it for those who want one. I can also supply a mini ball valve, which I have ordered for evaluation, but again, space limitations for the Viper are a consideration. Another option is to do your own, the thread is 3/8 NPT at the bottom of the can.

http://www.mishimoto.com/compact-baffled-oil-catch-can-petcock-drain-kit.html

[SSGNRDZ_28]

For those who have ordered one of the the vented kits here is the PCV eliminator piece. The barbed splices included in all of the kits will be similar. They both will be black anodized.

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There will be an update to the bracket to recess the socket cap screws, I'll have photos of that in the future as the machining happens.

I've updated the P/N scheme on this thread and on the website to make more sense with the addition of the dual can vented kit, I've updated the installation instructions.

For those planning on using a vented kit, it truly is a track oriented kit. The performance is better but be aware that more frequent oil changes are recommended due to the cans being open to the atmosphere. Those who frequent the track are used to changing fluids on a more regular basis.

Thanks
Doug

[Steve M]

I never measured the threads on the PCV valve on my own car, but I assume it is a -10 o-ring boss?

Nothing looks better IMO than a nicely machined part, and that is a nicely machined part.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

I never measured the threads on the PCV valve on my own car, but I assume it is a -10 o-ring boss?

Nothing looks better IMO than a nicely machined part, and that is a nicely machined part.

Thanks! I always enjoy seeing designs realized in aluminum.

The thread is 1"-12 and this valve is common to the Gen IV as you know but that thread is not common to many (or any) available fittings that I found.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Victoryman sent some photos of what was in his passenger side can after 350 miles of street driving. Thanks for taking the time to do this!

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He also added some aluminum hose separators which I'm looking into including with the sealed kits. I appreciate his feedback and with it the kits are still evolving prior to shipment.

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The other prototype catch can will be running on a certain heads and cam car at the Project X runway event in Texas on November 8th so we will see what oil is caught with a day of aggressive driving.

[TA Two Oh]

Ordered dual sealed kit. Doug, thank you for designing and fabricating this, and sourcing all the necessary anciliary parts. Looks like it'll be an easy installation, thanks to you!

[Viperawi]

After dealing with you with the intake heatshield I can't let this one slip away haha. I just placed the order for three dual sealed system for me and my friends cars. Thanks so much for putting the time and effort on this. I have no doubt it will be top notch!

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Ordered dual sealed kit. Doug, thank you for designing and fabricating this, and sourcing all the necessary anciliary parts. Looks like it'll be an easy installation, thanks to you!


After dealing with you with the intake heatshield I can't let this one slip away haha. I just placed the order for three dual sealed system for me and my friends cars. Thanks so much for putting the time and effort on this. I have no doubt it will be top notch!

Thanks to you both for your orders!

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Most of the kits have already shipped or will ship today. Thanks again to all who participated.

Doug

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[Simms]

I'm going with the dual sealed setup. Can someone provide the details again on the line/hose separators?

[SSGNRDZ_28]

I'm going with the dual sealed setup. Can someone provide the details again on the line/hose separators?

The OD of the hose is ~0.90 so it is a matter of finding a separator that will fit. Victoryman's were slightly too small but worked OK. There are a ton on eBay and other sites of various cost / color / design. Typically something designed for AN -10 or -12 would probably work but you have to look at the specs to determine the ID. If you find some and want me to help figure out if they will work let me know.

[mblgjr]

Just got mine in the mail today!

[Jack B]

You already know it, but, you do nice work.


Most of the kits have already shipped or will ship today. Thanks again to all who participated.

Doug

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[Rapidrezults]

Got mine today as well. Looks top notch as always. Thanks Doug!

[Nambo]

Mine showed up at Woodhouse yesterday and will get installed when the motor goes back in.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

You already know it, but, you do nice work.


Got mine today as well. Looks top notch as always. Thanks Doug!

Thanks guys, that means a lot.

[Simms]

I just realized I comitted to the group buy but did not place an order (time got away from me). I apologize and will be placing a dual sealed order.
Thanks

[SRT BILL]

Just received mine today, top notch as is with all of Doug's products. Guess I have a small weekend project now.

[docwviper]

Thanks guys, that means a lot.

Can I still get in on the group buy? I was busy the last few weeks and just saw his. I hope so *fingers crossed*. I need one non vented can. Thanks!

[TexasTonka]

Got my kit today and installed as soon as I got home, install went easy. I have the dual vented cans so teh hardest part was plugging the nipple under teh intake manafold. Finally got a zip tie on that thing and made it secure. Both cans fit great and look amazing. everything fit without issue and install took right at an hour to measure everything twice before cutting and getting the hoses just right. At the same time I swapped my red smooth tubes out for black just for looks.

I started it up and I guess being to anxious I forgot to plug in the sensors on the intake so the dash lit up to remind me. Turned off the car and plugged them in, checked all connections and cranked it back again. I got code P0098 No. 2 Intake Air Temperature Sensor Circuit High Input. I figured it would go away with a quick drive to the gas station. 10 miles away I filled up and started it to go back home. This time I get P0098 and P0113 No. 1 Intake Air Temperature Circuit High Input. Any suggestion on what I shoudl do?
I have heard of these codes on GenIV cars when they installed smooth tubes, but I just swapped colors, I had smooth tubes before. I don't see the catch cans relating to these codes at all. Should I just try to clear the codes and see if they come back?

[Jack B]

Just because you reconnected the plugs does not mean the codes go away immediately.


Got my kit today and installed as soon as I got home, install went easy. I have the dual vented cans so teh hardest part was plugging the nipple under teh intake manafold. Finally got a zip tie on that thing and made it secure. Both cans fit great and look amazing. everything fit without issue and install took right at an hour to measure everything twice before cutting and getting the hoses just right. At the same time I swapped my red smooth tubes out for black just for looks.

I started it up and I guess being to anxious I forgot to plug in the sensors on the intake so the dash lit up to remind me. Turned off the car and plugged them in, checked all connections and cranked it back again. I got code P0098 No. 2 Intake Air Temperature Sensor Circuit High Input. I figured it would go away with a quick drive to the gas station. 10 miles away I filled up and started it to go back home. This time I get P0098 and P0113 No. 1 Intake Air Temperature Circuit High Input. Any suggestion on what I shoudl do?
I have heard of these codes on GenIV cars when they installed smooth tubes, but I just swapped colors, I had smooth tubes before. I don't see the catch cans relating to these codes at all. Should I just try to clear the codes and see if they come back?

[KB Viper]

after 700 miles, passenger side had about 3/4 inch of oil in the can. drivers side had some oil residue, cans definitely work. Thanks Doug!
http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii510/kristopherbush/IMG_0130-2_zpsfxbwjzkp.jpg

[Jack B]

For anyone with a G5, this should be high on their list as the first mod. Doug's kit goes beyond "well designed".



after 700 miles, passenger side had about 3/4 inch of oil in the can. drivers side had some oil residue, cans definitely work. Thanks Doug!
http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii510/kristopherbush/IMG_0130-2_zpsfxbwjzkp.jpg

[SSGNRDZ_28]

after 700 miles, passenger side had about 3/4 inch of oil in the can. drivers side had some oil residue, cans definitely work. Thanks Doug!


Wow, KB that's a good amount of oil that would otherwise be in your intake manifold, thanks for sharing. Good to know the driver side is catching some oil as well. I appreciate these updates from those using the cans.



For anyone with a G5, this should be high on their list as the first mod. Doug's kit goes beyond "well designed".
Thanks again Jack!

[SRT BILL]

On a one can closed system which is the better side to do install to catch the most oil?

[SSGNRDZ_28]

On a one can closed system which is the better side to do install to catch the most oil?

The passenger side will catch the most oil and is recommended for all 2013+ Vipers at a minimum.

The 2013-2015 cars had an issue with oil entering the airbox and getting into the air filter under certain conditions and a driver side catch can will prevent this, but the amount of oil collected will be much less. KBs report is a a good indication of what can be expected.

[Simms]

My sealed, dual can setup arrived last week. FANTASTIC quality. Well thought out.

[GTSilver]

My dual vented can setup arrived a few days back and the quality of parts are amazing. This and DSE heat shield should be a priority for any viper.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

My sealed, dual can setup arrived last week. FANTASTIC quality. Well thought out.


My dual vented can setup arrived a few days back and the quality of parts are amazing. This and DSE heat shield should be a priority for any viper.

Thanks guys! Glad you like them.

I thought I would share this photo of a great looking ACR engine bay. What I wanted to point out is the routing of the hose into the intake manifold. This is the way Woodhouse has been installing the kits and I think it is a good option for people to consider when doing their own installs.

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[Jack B]

For clarity, the pass side is under vacuum via the pcv valve, therefore, by design will draw oil.

The Dr side is theoretically intake air for the pass side, however, if the car does a high G turn to the right, oil is forced forward into the airbox. Severe blow-by can also force oil out of the dr side. This was corrected for 2015?





On a one can closed system which is the better side to do install to catch the most oil?

[SRT BILL]

Nice Doug, is this a one canister closed system?

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Nice Doug, is this a one canister closed system?

Yes, the install shown above is a single canister closed system. This is all that should be needed for 2016+ cars due to the update unless the owner desires a vented/breather system.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

For clarity, the pass side is under vacuum via the pcv valve, therefore, by design will draw oil.

The Dr side is theoretically intake air for the pass side, however, if the car does a high G turn to the right, oil is forced forward into the airbox. Severe blow-by can also force oil out of the dr side. This was corrected for 2015?

All correct, other than the change to the driver side valve cover was made for MY 2016.

[SRT BILL]

Thanks Doug & Jack for the info. Going to do my one can closed system install on my 2013 that is still stock except for the heat shield. Just wanted to make sure that the passenger side is the preferred position. I most likely will eventually do the Arrow pcm and high flow cats with stock cat backs. Do you think this modification would then make a dual can system a better idea or am I still good with the one can system. Thanks for any and all opinions.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

I don't think your mods will change the catch can situation. You can always add the second can later if you find you are getting oil in your airbox / air filter. The kits are in stock and ready to ship.

Thanks!
Doug

[Simms]

Just wanted to share a few pics for those interested. I apologize for the photo orientation, I did this from my phone.

To help clean up the end of my hoses, I used 24mm DEI shrink tube. Helps with the sheeting from fraying.
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I also found that Earl's 15/16" hose separators worked well for me. SLIGHTY to big, I mean a HAIR, but would only move if the hoses were exactly parallel. The way may hoses were, the separators were perfect and did not move.

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Driver's side. My line in was 17.5" long, and the out was 24" long.

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[Simms]

Passenger's side. My line in was 15.5" long. Line out was 16". PLEASE NOTE AT THIS TIME I TIED DIRECTLY INTO THE FACTORY HARD LINE. I WILL REVISE DIRECTLY TO THE MANIFOLD AT A LATER DATE. I was having access issues at the time and took the easy way for now.

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All complete.

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[SRT BILL]

Simms, very nice work! I'm getting ready to do my one can install on the passengers side. You have some great ideas using the shrink tube and the hose separators. Now I have to try and round up the parts to make a pro-looking job like you've done.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Thank you for the update Simms, very clean install. I like what you've done with the heat shrink and hose separators.

For anyone with access to a heat gun, the Gates 32925 Clamp also works well to tidy up the hose ends and provide additional clamping. This is what I use on the can side of the vented kits.

[Jack B]

Let us know if you get any oil in the drivers side can. After I added the catch cans early on I subsequently found no oil in the drivers side can. I think there was an oem oversight in that the drivers side hose had no restriction and it pointed forward towards the air filter, this could force oil forward during braking or hard right hand turns. Therefore any change in the hose direction mitigated the problem.

I am on the fence about changing my ugly catch can on the drivers side, let us know what you find, however, you probably are cold weather stranded like the most of us in the North or Midwest.


Just wanted to share a few pics for those interested. I apologize for the photo orientation, I did this from my phone.

To help clean up the end of my hoses, I used 24mm DEI shrink tube. Helps with the sheeting from fraying.
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I also found that Earl's 15/16" hose separators worked well for me. SLIGHTY to big, I mean a HAIR, but would only move if the hoses were exactly parallel. The way may hoses were, the separators were perfect and did not move.

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Driver's side. My line in was 17.5" long, and the out was 24" long.

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[Simms]

Let us know if you get any oil in the drivers side can. After I added the catch cans early on I subsequently found no oil in the drivers side can. I think there was an oem oversight in that the drivers side hose had no restriction and it pointed forward towards the air filter, this could force oil forward during braking or hard right hand turns. Therefore any change in the hose direction mitigated the problem.

I am on the fence about changing my ugly catch can on the drivers side, let us know what you find, however, you probably are cold weather stranded like the most of us in the North or Midwest.

Will do Jack. Yes, stranded in Pittsburgh for a couple months. Under normal driving conditions, I don't expect to see much. After a track day or HPDE I think it will be interesting though.

[Jack B]

Let us know if you get any oil in the drivers side can. After I added the catch cans early on I subsequently found no oil in the drivers side can. I think there was an oem oversight in that the drivers side hose had no restriction and it pointed forward towards the air filter, this could force oil forward during braking or hard right hand turns. Therefore any change in the hose direction mitigated the problem.

I am on the fence about changing my ugly catch can on the drivers side, let us know what you find, however, you probably are cold weather stranded like the most of us in the North or Midwest.


Just wanted to share a few pics for those interested. I apologize for the photo orientation, I did this from my phone.

To help clean up the end of my hoses, I used 24mm DEI shrink tube. Helps with the sheeting from fraying.
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I also found that Earl's 15/16" hose separators worked well for me. SLIGHTY to big, I mean a HAIR, but would only move if the hoses were exactly parallel. The way may hoses were, the separators were perfect and did not move.

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Driver's side. My line in was 17.5" long, and the out was 24" long.

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[TexasTonka]

I knew I was too hasty installing these! I used black gorilla tape on the ends but the Gates shrink clamps would have been perfect. I'll have to swap out if the gorilla tape fails. With covers on you can't see it and being black it hides itself.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Let us know if you get any oil in the drivers side can. After I added the catch cans early on I subsequently found no oil in the drivers side can. I think there was an oem oversight in that the drivers side hose had no restriction and it pointed forward towards the air filter, this could force oil forward during braking or hard right hand turns. Therefore any change in the hose direction mitigated the problem.

I am on the fence about changing my ugly catch can on the drivers side, let us know what you find, however, you probably are cold weather stranded like the most of us in the North or Midwest.

KBViper reported a few posts back residue in the driver side can after 700 (street?) miles. I would guess you wouldn't see too much accumulate unless you are meeting the conditions you describe on a regular basis. His install would have routed the hose straight out to the sidebar, where was your driver side can located? Did you see any residue or a dry can?

[Jack B]

Straight out and low, no oil. I had oil in the filter before I put in the ugly can. I love the looks of your product. The only issue was geting the hose on the eng fit ting and I used heat.



KBViper reported a few posts back residue in the driver side can after 700 (street?) miles. I would guess you wouldn't see too much accumulate unless you are meeting the conditions you describe on a regular basis. His install would have routed the hose straight out to the sidebar, where was your driver side can located? Did you see any residue or a dry can?

[KB Viper]

KBViper reported a few posts back residue in the driver side can after 700 (street?) miles. I would guess you wouldn't see too much accumulate unless you are meeting the conditions you describe on a regular basis. His install would have routed the hose straight out to the sidebar, where was your driver side can located? Did you see any residue or a dry can?

correct it was 700 street miles but it was on a the leg of my road trip from my dad's house (El Paso) to my home (San Diego) and on 3 separate occasions i got the car up to 160mph and at lest 5 times i pulled over and stopped the car to do WOT acceleration of 0-120 all in high elevations.

Also, i used the gates heat shrink clamps on my install and they work great. extra clamping force and a finished look.
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[victoryman100]

Filled in the extra holes ... just for fun!14916

[FSTENUF]

Just finished up the install of the no vent cans. Very nice and simple to install. Track night is in 4 weeks. Then is off to New Orleans's for one hell of a good time. See everyone there