D3 Performance Engineering Gen5 Procharger Development

[Evan@D3PE]

We finally have our development car back from getting some warranty work and we went straight back to work on our supercharger development!

The goal of this project is to develop a production centrifugal supercharger option for the Gen5 market that will produce a base of 800whp and be configurable for more power as desired

At the moment the plan is to use the F1X head unit and a front mount air to air intercooler and we intend to offer the components as a mail order system, whether it be just the supercharger system, or as a complete package with our fuel system, our clutch, and our engine management, etc.

Upgrades for more of a "Stage 2" would be boost control, possibly an air to water, and a couple other things that will be determined based on what the base version consists of.

On to the photos and stay tuned for more progress!

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/ViperFrontStock.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/viperfrontstockcorner.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/viperfaroarm.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/viperbayfaroscan.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/viperbaylaserscan.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/viperf1xbay.jpg


Reverse engineering of the gearbox:

The F1X gearbox sprayed with a powder in preparation of laser scanning

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/f1xgearboxpowder.jpg

The laser scan of the gearbox ready to be converted to a solid model for the CAD program

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/f1xgearboxlaserscan.jpg

The final Solidworks model

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/f1xgearboxsolidmodel.jpg


Pulley position completed, primary and secondary brackets in place, belt routing completed:

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/1ststagebrackets1.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/1ststagebrackets2.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/1ststagebrackets4.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/1ststagebrackets3.jpg


**edit 8/24 6:59PM**

Spacers all designed, added more pickup points to the motor, revised mounting plates:

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets1.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets2.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets3.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets4.jpg

Design has been approved and we are now making the parts in out in house 3D printer:

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets5.jpg


Ran out of room so updates throughout thread!

Page 5 - Fuel system components
Page 6 - Blower mocked up with plastic brackets
Page 7 - Airbox design

[Tiago]

high tec tools.

[Rapidrezults]

Simply BADASS. D3 is the real deal. Thanks!

[Space Truckin]

And the goodies keep on coming for the Gen V

[BOOSTED]

guesstimate on price point ?

[Darius]

You guys rock! Can't wait to see the final product.

[Evan@D3PE]

guesstimate on price point ?

Not just yet but we should have a better idea soon

[Voice of Reason]

Scanners and 3D printers are changing the game and I love it! 15 years ago that thing was science fiction for all but giant corporations. 15 years from now our iPhone 12s will be able to do the same thing, along with instantly uploading the images to an aluminum 3D printer, and it will spit out all the components you need to bolt a supercharger right up. It's an amazing world we live in.

I look forward to seeing your results!

[1.8t]

Looking forward to the progress of this build.

[timberwolf]

So awesome! Can't wait for results!! :fpopcorn:

[DZnutz]

keep it coming

[Aspirations57]

Subscribed

[ViperGeorge]

Boy the engine compartment on a Gen 5 is pretty tight. Looks like a challenge for sure but worth it.

[Evan@D3PE]

Boy the engine compartment on a Gen 5 is pretty tight. Looks like a challenge for sure but worth it.

Yeah doing the front mount intercooler piping will be tough but I think that's what will need to be done to keep the price point attractive for most.

[bogdan]

This looks delightful.

Would it be improper to add this to my wedding registry? :devilish:

[Simms]

Very cool!

[hova00]

In for the results. Cant wait to see more boosted Vipers.

[Murpowa]

Scanners and 3D printers are changing the game and I love it! 15 years ago that thing was science fiction for all but giant corporations. 15 years from now our iPhone 12s will be able to do the same thing, along with instantly uploading the images to an aluminum 3D printer, and it will spit out all the components you need to bolt a supercharger right up. It's an amazing world we live in.

I look forward to seeing your results!

Scary to think about but completely plausible :)

[ViperPete]

WOW.

That is hi-tech!

Cant wait to see more!

[LmeaViper]

No way...this is awesome.

800 whp is a lot to handle, can the base boost be made more like 700 rwhp? lbs of boost?

Also what kind of TQ could be reasonably expected?

[vegasgtr]

looks great. I think F1X is for the extreme stage 3 setup.

I would do a YSI or Standard 1500SL with 7-8PSI turn key. 750/800 base KIT (maybe pumps or injectors if needed). Car would be amazing , without going bananas.

this should flow well for basic of the basic kits.
http://www.superchargersonline.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=507_1220_1614&products_id=7454

or Novi2000
http://www.superchargersonline.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=507_1220_1252&products_id=4705

What is the expected time frame?

[BOOSTED]

I love the fact you guys are planning to us the F1x as a head unit. Cause I will have every intention of seeing how far we can push it.

[vegasgtr]

I love the fact you guys are planning to us the F1x as a head unit. Cause I will have every intention of seeing how far we can push it.

I love the fact they are going to offer a base 800HP mail order kit. Don't get me wrong F1X will be one bad bitch.

[Evan@D3PE]

Designing the bracketry around this head unit will allow some versatility between different combos if needed. We feel the F1X should be a "best of both worlds" since a simple pulley change can turn 800whp into 1200+ pretty easily.

We also intend to offer boost control as an upgrade which would allow for boost to be controlled just like a turbo car with simple adjustments made in cabin.

[viper04]

OK, you got my attention!

[Redx]

Designing the bracketry around this head unit will allow some versatility between different combos if needed. We feel the F1X should be a "best of both worlds" since a simple pulley change can turn 800whp into 1200+ pretty easily.

We also intend to offer boost control as an upgrade which would allow for boost to be controlled just like a turbo car with simple adjustments made in cabin.

Will this bolt up to a gen iv as well?

[vegasgtr]

Designing the bracketry around this head unit will allow some versatility between different combos if needed. We feel the F1X should be a "best of both worlds" since a simple pulley change can turn 800whp into 1200+ pretty easily.

We also intend to offer boost control as an upgrade which would allow for boost to be controlled just like a turbo car with simple adjustments made in cabin.

wow, never heard of a boost controller with a centri blower being spun by the belt. How are you guys doing that if you don't mind me asking.

[Viktimize]

wow, never heard of a boost controller with a centri blower being spun by the belt. How are you guys doing that if you don't mind me asking.

I would guess it is just a pressure modulator to the bypass valve?

[Steve M]

wow, never heard of a boost controller with a centri blower being spun by the belt. How are you guys doing that if you don't mind me asking.

I've heard of a few guys doing this with other applications - you overspin the blower, and then bleed off the excess when you don't want it. It allows you to build boost faster earlier in the RPM range, giving a more robust torque curve.

[timberwolf]

I've heard of a few guys doing this with other applications - you overspin the blower, and then bleed off the excess when you don't want it. It allows you to build boost faster earlier in the RPM range, giving a more robust torque curve.

Probably compromises the blower over time. But worth it lol

[mjorgensen]

Too bad the ProCharger iCharger would not fit, that would give you boost profiles from Centri to roots style, can't wait to see what you guys come up with.

[Evan@D3PE]

Will this bolt up to a gen iv as well?

We would have to get a car here to confirm. I'm sure there would be differences somewhere.

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Too bad the ProCharger iCharger would not fit, that would give you boost profiles from Centri to roots style, can't wait to see what you guys come up with.

True that but we've got a few tricks up our sleeves :)

[Evan@D3PE]

Probably compromises the blower over time. But worth it lol

With our optional boost control feature, the end user will be able to choose the pulley combination to make the max power they wish to make, say 1100whp, but they wish to drive around the street with only 750whp, the system will bleed off the excess boost to achieve this, the blower would still spin its normal RPM set by the pulley choice and would not over spin the head unit unless the end user has set it up this way. For people choosing to use our ProEFI package, they can do boost by mph to help with traction, flex fuel boost settings (low for pump, high for E85), and can also use the fail safes, so if a fault is set the boost will be dropped to the min level set and limiters will engage, same as a turbo car.

[Crotalidae]

Awesome!!!

[notfa5t]

Excited to see more information and progress on this.

[slovenom]

D3 ftw!! I don't have a Gen5 but doesn't mean I won't in a few years :)

[ViperPete]

Dang.... variable boost depending on mph?

That is pretty damn wicked.

[Jiaim]

modulable with a wastegate on the pressure piping.

[DZnutz]

This looks very promising... but ill hold off on the praises until I see some pricing.

[1.8t]

I really hope there is enough development to use the stock PCM. As someone who has had an aftermarket EMS before, I have no desire to go down that road again. The stock PCM is the key to making these kits "affordable" IMO.

[vegasgtr]

I really hope there is enough development to use the stock PCM. As someone who has had an aftermarket EMS before, I have no desire to go down that road again. The stock PCM is the key to making these kits "affordable" IMO.

I have spoken to a tuner and STOCK PCM using HPtuners he was able to achieve 8psi , just needed to address fuel. Edward said he was able to achieve 17psi if i recall on hptuners. So we are all good in that Dept. no need to spend $$$$ on after market PCM.

This kit looks to be in the earlier stages and could be some time before it hits the market...

[slowhatch]

I've heard of a few guys doing this with other applications - you overspin the blower, and then bleed off the excess when you don't want it. It allows you to build boost faster earlier in the RPM range, giving a more robust torque curve.

They should have been doing this on the Paxton gen 3 cars all along. The ones that are very lazy on the low boost pulleys.

[Carbon GTS]

I really hope there is enough development to use the stock PCM. As someone who has had an aftermarket EMS before, I have no desire to go down that road again. The stock PCM is the key to making these kits "affordable" IMO.

I would imagine if the kit is affordable this would be a must. You wack 6-8k off the build using HP tuners.

[Evan@D3PE]

I would imagine if the kit is affordable this would be a must. You wack 6-8k off the build using HP tuners.

I wouldn't throw that big of a price tag on the EMS lol and you can't forget that just to unlock for HpTuners is $1000. Either way we are exploring all the options and hoping to offer the package in stages with options to suit each customers preference.

[slovenom]

I think this kit will b around 14,999$ installed :)

If I had a gen5 I would b comfortable with that price...to put on a paxton on my gen2 is gonna cost me about 10 n we're talking about a dinosaur. ..

Kudos to D3 for pushing the envelope

[RoyV101621]

This looks delightful.

Would it be improper to add this to my wedding registry? :devilish:

Not if her dress is made of Nomex

[moe.basilo]

Designing the bracketry around this head unit will allow some versatility between different combos if needed. We feel the F1X should be a "best of both worlds" since a simple pulley change can turn 800whp into 1200+ pretty easily.

We also intend to offer boost control as an upgrade which would allow for boost to be controlled just like a turbo car with simple adjustments made in cabin.

Thats really impressive evan
you guys are doing a really good job .. we cant wait for the outcome on these venoms
and am sure alot of people on this forums are interested already and am one of them .. keep us posted buddy :fpopcorn:

[Disturbed]

The crank snout hasn't really changed over the years. In the Gen2 we would snap them off. Can you do anything you can do to help that?


Get that ZF 8sp to work and I'm back in a Viper.

[EdwardETraylorIII]

I think this kit will b around 14,999$ installed

LOL!!!!


I have spoken to a tuner and STOCK PCM using HPtuners he was able to achieve 8psi

cough cough.

[dadeuce]

Thats really impressive evan
you guys are doing a really good job .. we cant wait for the outcome on these venoms
and am sure alot of people on this forums are interested already and am one of them .. keep us posted buddy :fpopcorn:

Moe, based on some of your videos, I'm sure there are a lot of people around you who hope you don't get one. :)

[rlhay2]

Question: is it possible to run a ProEFI or Motec and then install the HPTuners ECU to pass a plug in OBD-II (i.e. Texas) emissions inspection?

I would not care if HPTuners can handle boost or not as long as it passed the inspection.
Once a passing inspection sticker was obtained, I'd swap the other ECU back in repeat every 12 months.


I have spoken to a tuner and STOCK PCM using HPtuners he was able to achieve 8psi , just needed to address fuel. ...said he was able to achieve 17psi if i recall on hptuners.


cough cough.

Vaporware...
I'd love to hear from a customer using HPTuners in a boosted application on a Gen V Viper!!!
Regrettably, they all seem to be overseas...

[Evan@D3PE]

Question: is it possible to run a ProEFI or Motec and then install the HPTuners ECU to pass a plug in OBD-II (i.e. Texas) emissions inspection?

I would not care if HPTuners can handle boost or not as long as it passed the inspection.
Once a passing inspection sticker was obtained, I'd swap the other ECU back in repeat every 12 months.



We have yet to tune anything boosted with the HPT stuff so that would still have to be determined. There's a chance but we couldn't say for sure until we've done it.

[moe.basilo]

LOL!!!!



cough cough.

Ed, i think you are trying to say something over here :smilielol:
so far you are the man to tune these venoms on a stock ECU
i guess ill send you a PM when my kit is ready buddy :D

[moe.basilo]

Moe, based on some of your videos, I'm sure there are a lot of people around you who hope you don't get one. :)

LOL :smilielol:
i can't wait to modify the venom, youll see alot of videos and more action man
am sure alot of guys are excited already so yeah lets bring it on! :drive:

[Steve M]

Vaporware...
I'd love to hear from a customer using HPTuners in a boosted application on a Gen V Viper!!!
Regrettably, they all seem to be overseas...

Edward has posted videos, and Torrie @ Unleashed Tuning got his turbo Gen 5 running as well, both using HPT, both here in the States. That said, they both might have access to an early beta release that has not been released to the general public. HPTuners has a network of people that help them verify functionality and stability of their latest updates before they release them for mass consumption. The last time they did something like this, they unlocked about 40 additional editable parameters (including exhaust cam control)...I heard rumors of this about 2 months prior to them releasing it to the general public (like me) for use.

In the world of aftermarket tuning, patience is key...reverse engineering code unique to a single platform is a time intensive process that requires a lot of feedback. I've found a couple of bugs that I'm working with them to have addressed, and they have been appreciative of the feedback.

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Edward has posted videos, and Torrie @ Unleashed Tuning got his turbo Gen 5 running as well, both using HPT, both here in the States.
I haven't seen any video proof of ANY cars other than mine running ANY boost on a stock ECU.


That said, they both might have access to an early beta release that has not been released to the general public. HPTuners has a network of people that help them verify functionality and stability of their latest updates before they release them for mass consumption. The last time they did something like this, they unlocked about 40 additional editable parameters (including exhaust cam control)...I heard rumors of this about 2 months prior to them releasing it to the general public (like me) for use.
I am NOT using a newer beta version for any of my tuning work that I speak of openly. My beta version is several months old (I just haven't had a chance to DL the newest version because I don't have a need to) and is the same beta you would have the ability to DL.


Ed, i think you are trying to say something over here
so far you are the man to tune these venoms on a stock ECU
i guess ill send you a PM when my kit is ready buddy

You let me know when the kit is on it and I'll make that supercharged engine run like a TOP with the stock ECU.

[Evan@D3PE]

Reverse engineering of the gearbox:

The F1X gearbox sprayed with a powder in preparation of laser scanning

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/f1xgearboxpowder.jpg

The laser scan of the gearbox ready to be converted to a solid model for the CAD program

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/f1xgearboxlaserscan.jpg

The final Solidworks model

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/f1xgearboxsolidmodel.jpg

[rlhay2]

Edward has posted videos, and Torrie @ Unleashed Tuning got his turbo Gen 5 running as well, both using HPT, both here in the States.

I have had conversations with Torrie, your information is not completely accurate. Feel free to reach out to Torrie, he is very candid and explanatory regarding the current development and capabilities of HPTuners with the Gen V platform.

If you ask Torrie questions, you get answers!
If you ask Even (of D3E) questions, you get answers!
In direct contrast to the smoke and mirrors offered by this other tuner.


In the world of aftermarket tuning, patience is key...reverse engineering code unique to a single platform is a time intensive process that requires a lot of feedback. I've found a couple of bugs that I'm working with them to have addressed, and they have been appreciative of the feedback.

This statement I completely agree with! I've a background in programming/engineering so I am not completely unfamiliar with the process.

[Malu59RT]

Love the reverse engineering, cool thread!

[Steve M]

I have had conversations with Torrie, your information is not completely accurate. Feel free to reach out to Torrie, he is very candid and explanatory regarding the current development and capabilities of HPTuners with the Gen V platform.

As of July 18th, he told me that he had his car up and running 8 psi with no limp mode, but stated that his fuel system was in need of an upgrade before he could proceed further.

I only know what I've been told.

[vegasgtr]

As of July 18th, he told me that he had his car up and running 8 psi with no limp mode, but stated that his fuel system was in need of an upgrade before he could proceed further.

I only know what I've been told.

+1.
He told me the exact same thing. If he had it running , he had it running at 8psi.

[slovenom]

Edward the wizard :)

[KB Viper]

subscribed

[HANKFAN]

Glad to see someone actually building a centrifugal supercharger kit for the new Vipers instead of just talking about it. Looks like D3 is building a quality kit. Looking forward to seeing the results.

[viper04]

As of July 18th, he told me that he had his car up and running 8 psi with no limp mode, but stated that his fuel system was in need of an upgrade before he could proceed further.

I only know what I've been told.

This is my understanding too. Here is the link post #122. Is there more to this? Torrie is a stand up guy.
http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/9566-How-many-TT-Gen-V-s-out-there-now?p=153279#post153279

[rlhay2]

Is there more to this? Torrie is a stand up guy.
http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/9566-How-many-TT-Gen-V-s-out-there-now?p=153279#post153279

Torrie of Unleashed Tuning and Evan of D3 Performance are both stand up guys!!

This is a D3 Performance thread!
Thus, I don't think it proper to discuss the nuances of a competing shop's project.

Feel free to reach out to them and I am certain they will share all they have learned from their work!

I've no hesitation about doing business with either shop and early in 2016, one of the these credible businesses is going to get my $$,$$$ to build me a FI Gen V Viper!!

[Evan@D3PE]

Torrie of Unleashed Tuning and Evan of D3 Performance are both stand up guys!!

This is a D3 Performance thread!
Thus, I don't think it proper to discuss the nuances of a competing shop's project.

Feel free to reach out to them and I am certain they will share all they have learned from their work!

I've no hesitation about doing business with either shop and early in 2016, one of the these credible businesses is going to get my $$,$$$ to build me a FI Gen V Viper!!

While we already have our standalone EMS system developed and available if needed, it is still very beneficial to everyone if the stock ECU can be used for forced induction so we do hope that's the case or at least will be! We would love to ship supercharger kits to customers and network dealers all over the world so that would open up the tuning side greatly! :)

[Steve M]

Thus, I don't think it proper to discuss the nuances of a competing shop's project.

It wasn't a discussion of a competing shop's product - rather, it was (or at least was intended to be) a discussion about potential engine management solutions. There are at least two people that have proven that it can be done with HPT - that being the case, it could significantly reduce the price of the base kit for this application. Would it have all of the bells and whistles you could get with a full stand-alone system? No, but that could be offered at a higher price point for customers that demand those features. I'm guessing that will be a small subset of the crowd that would seriously consider going the ProCharger route with a Gen 5 Viper.

[ddominator1]

:dude3: yessss!! could not imagine 800whp in this thing.. would you offer a raffle for members of this forum?? lol

[rlhay2]

rather, it was (or at least was intended to be) a discussion about potential engine management solutions.

As far as ultimate performance goes, the ProEFI or a Motec is going to be very hard to beat...VERY hard!!

But, for passing most state emissions testing, the OEM PCM must be used.

There will soon be a viable FI solution for the Gen V market using HPTuners!
And by viable, I mean complete OEM levels of functionality are retained while performing properly in a boosted application.

Not a "we made it work" scenario.

One potential possibility is having a ProEFI Ecu installed for most of the driving and then using a HPTuners PCM to pass state inspections.

If that ever becomes a viable solution, D3 and a multitude of other shops will make it known that using the OEM PCM is now an available option.

[Carbon GTS]

While we already have our standalone EMS system developed and available if needed, it is still very beneficial to everyone if the stock ECU can be used for forced induction so we do hope that's the case or at least will be! We would love to ship supercharger kits to customers and network dealers all over the world so that would open up the tuning side greatly! :)

Glad you posted this... at the end of the day
HPT is the way to the masses. If you build it with HPT count me in.

[moe.basilo]

I haven't seen any video proof of ANY cars other than mine running ANY boost on a stock ECU.


I am NOT using a newer beta version for any of my tuning work that I speak of openly. My beta version is several months old (I just haven't had a chance to DL the newest version because I don't have a need to) and is the same beta you would have the ability to DL.



You let me know when the kit is on it and I'll make that supercharged engine run like a TOP with the stock ECU.

Alright Ed will do buddy thanks for the support

[moe.basilo]

Reverse engineering of the gearbox:

The F1X gearbox sprayed with a powder in preparation of laser scanning

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/f1xgearboxpowder.jpg

The laser scan of the gearbox ready to be converted to a solid model for the CAD program

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/f1xgearboxlaserscan.jpg

The final Solidworks model

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/f1xgearboxsolidmodel.jpg

Great work evan, we are all excited already i can not wait till you guys announce the kit to the public
Good luck in finalizing the final touches .. Am sure the list of orders going to be one hell of a long list :hog:

[Evan@D3PE]

More progress from today!


http://i57.tinypic.com/21u9ut.jpg


http://i60.tinypic.com/v7eh6f.jpg

[Y'orange_UAE]

More progress from today!


http://i57.tinypic.com/21u9ut.jpg


http://i60.tinypic.com/v7eh6f.jpg



Great work D3PE and i really can't wait to see the complete system and especially the pipe design from the intercooler to TB and the air inlet!

Good luck with the progress.

[moe.basilo]

More progress from today!


http://i57.tinypic.com/21u9ut.jpg


http://i60.tinypic.com/v7eh6f.jpg

Thats really awesome great job guys
We are waiting for it :fpopcorn:

[timberwolf]

I've started prepping my wife for this investment lol
So great to watch. Top marks guys!

[Trainerdave]

Oh crap, I just got my gen 5 TA and promised myself I would leave it NA, I was just planing full exhaust, pulley and PCM, damn you!! Hahaha

[Evan@D3PE]

Brackets are almost ready to 3D print for mockup! More pics coming ASAP!

[moe.basilo]

Brackets are almost ready to 3D print for mockup! More pics coming ASAP!

am so excited evan please update us bro :hog:

[moe.basilo]

Brackets are almost ready to 3D print for mockup! More pics coming ASAP!

Evan, does the supercharger kit will have the stock engine oil cooler or it will be deleted?

[Vprbite]

I've started prepping my wife for this investment lol

i suppose it will look good on a woman. You might have to custom fab some parts to make it fit, but its worth it. I love fast women so anything you can do to make them faster is great in my opinion. Do you take the hood off for install to give you more room to work? Just wondering.

[ViperPete]

Do you take the hood off for install to give you more room to work? Just wondering.

On a big project like that I surely would. Makes the install soo much easier.

[Aspirations57]

i suppose it will look good on a woman. You might have to custom fab some parts to make it fit, but its worth it. I love fast women so anything you can do to make them faster is great in my opinion. Do you take the hood off for install to give you more room to work? Just wondering.

Look at the first post in this thread.

[Evan@D3PE]

Evan, does the supercharger kit will have the stock engine oil cooler or it will be deleted?

We're building it around the oil cooler so everything else will pretty much remain factory

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On a big project like that I surely would. Makes the install soo much easier.

Yeah hood off is probably best. It's not hard to get off pretty quick and if you mark the bolts it shouldn't be terrible to get lined back up. Main down side is having a safe and big enough place to set it

[Evan@D3PE]

First post updated!

Pulley position completed, primary and secondary brackets in place, belt routing completed:

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/1ststagebrackets1.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/1ststagebrackets2.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/1ststagebrackets4.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/1ststagebrackets3.jpg

[Tiago]

bad ass.

[Evan@D3PE]

Now the million dollar question.....Black or Polished? :)

[BOOSTED]

black please !

[moe.basilo]

First post updated!

Pulley position completed, primary and secondary brackets in place, belt routing completed:

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/1ststagebrackets1.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/1ststagebrackets2.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/1ststagebrackets4.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/1ststagebrackets3.jpg

That's awesome evan, you guys are almost there :)

[moe.basilo]

Now the million dollar question.....Black or Polished? :)

No doubt am going with black
It will match with the engine compartment :cool:

[rlhay2]

Now the million dollar question.....Black or Polished? :)

In order of ability to reject heat textured black paint > black paint > polished

A textured black would be a great option...

[ViperPete]

In order of ability to reject heat textured black paint > black paint > polished

A textured black would be a great option...

Anodized blue would look different/cool IMO...

[Evan@D3PE]

Spacers all designed, added more pickup points to the motor, revised mounting plates:

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets1.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets2.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets3.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets4.jpg

Design has been approved and we are now making the parts in out in house 3D printer:

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets5.jpg

[vegasgtr]

great work guys!!

[moe.basilo]

Spacers all designed, added more pickup points to the motor, revised mounting plates:

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets1.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets2.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets3.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets4.jpg

Design has been approved and we are now making the parts in out in house 3D printer:

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/2stagebrackets5.jpg


Amazing!!!

[G37Sam]

Can't go wrong with Solidworks!!

[Snakebit10]

Incredible stuff guys. Wow. Cant wait to see the performance and fit of the system.

[bogdan]

How will this kit affect the serviceability of the oem serpentine belt?

[Evan@D3PE]

How will this kit affect the serviceability of the oem serpentine belt?

Supercharger would have to come off

[Bruce]

Evan, can you somehow 3D print a California CARB exempt version???:hog:

[Nine Ball]

Supercharger would have to come off

No different than the current Gen 2-3 Paxton kits. Not an issue, since most people don't drive enough miles on a Viper to wear out a factory belt ;)

[vegasgtr]

can't wait to see what a base kit cost , no tune, no install. just the kit itself.

[Evan@D3PE]

can't wait to see what a base kit cost , no tune, no install. just the kit itself.

As soon as we get testing with our initial system and confirm how it will be offered we should be able to start generating pricing on a base mail order system

[moe.basilo]

As soon as we get testing with our initial system and confirm how it will be offered we should be able to start generating pricing on a base mail order system

Great!
Evan, when will you guys gone be able to do the testing?
Any estimated date? :fpopcorn:

[Evan@D3PE]

Great!
Evan, when will you guys gone be able to do the testing?
Any estimated date? :fpopcorn:

By the end of September for sure. Basically 3D printing all the brackets now to make sure everything comes to life as planned, working on the intercooler and piping in the meantime, and once we know everything is good we will start machining the brackets and get all the actual components here to replace the mock up stuff!

[Crotalidae]

Black...

[slowhatch]

By the end of September for sure. Basically 3D printing all the brackets now to make sure everything comes to life as planned, working on the intercooler and piping in the meantime, and once we know everything is good we will start machining the brackets and get all the actual components here to replace the mock up stuff!

Very exciting progress, and kudos on the 21st century development process :)

[LmeaViper]

Awesome...appreciate the updates.

When you do fab up a unit, aside from the power increase! Can you also advise on the weights incl brackets etc.

[vegasgtr]

Awesome...appreciate the updates.

When you do fab up a unit, aside from the power increase! Can you also advise on the weights incl brackets etc.

I bet it will add 60lbs , but the power will eat that up real quick.

[Evan@D3PE]

Awesome...appreciate the updates.

When you do fab up a unit, aside from the power increase! Can you also advise on the weights incl brackets etc.

We'll get shipping weight for sure ;)

[1.8t]

Seeing progress such as this certainly gives the impression that your shop is on top of their game. Looking forward to future updates and thanks for keeping the community in the loop.

[Evan@D3PE]

Thank you for the kind words guys! Intercooler core is on the way and hoping the 3d printed brackets are done by the end of the week!

[vegasgtr]

Thank you for the kind words guys! Intercooler core is on the way and hoping the 3d printed brackets are done by the end of the week!

Evan is the man. Cant wait to see this high volume/group sale budget mod ;-)

[Evan@D3PE]

Evan is the man. Cant wait to see this high volume/group sale budget mod ;-)

I can't take much credit other than for having an account here and updating the post lol. We have a great team here and my business partner Dave is the man behind all the design work and soon to be fab work!

[Viktimize]

i suppose it will look good on a woman. You might have to custom fab some parts to make it fit, but its worth it. I love fast women so anything you can do to make them faster is great in my opinion. Do you take the hood off for install to give you more room to work? Just wondering.

Right over their heads.

[Evan@D3PE]

More components being developed and machined!

Our billet fuel rail kits are now finished, these will be available with our supercharger and twin turbo systems as well as separately for individuals or shops:


http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/3stagefuelrails.jpg

Our MAF flanges just came in fresh off the cnc machine!

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/3stagebagofmafs.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/3stagemafcloseup.jpg

Our finished MAF flange next to a 3D printed prototype we used to verify fitment:

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/3stagemaf3dprint.jpg

A 3D printed prototype of our pump hanger which we used for fitment testing and ability to install into the tank. These can hold up to 3 Ti Auto 267 fuel pumps and will come prewired for 3 pumps, so if running a double setup, the end user can just install the third pump and plug it in. These will also be available with our supercharger and twin turbo systems as well as separately for individuals or shops. We should be getting these back from cnc soon!

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/3stage3dprintfuelhanger.jpg

[ACRucrazy]

This is legit stuff, sounds like a great shop! Wish you were local!

[Coloviper]

Evan, not to derail here but do you think you boys can come up with a replacement fuel pump assembly and associated components (check valves, pumps, etc.) for us GEN I and GEN II owners? We are searching junk yards for replacement parts. Mine is about to die (I can hear it whining away back there and my check valve is already caput). The amount of effort involved to change it out, I would rather not replace it with yet another used piece of junk to die 5,000 miles later. Seems like you guys have the ability and the means. You would also have the market cornered. Lots of Viper owners in need.

[moe.basilo]

More components being developed and machined!

Our billet fuel rail kits are now finished, these will be available with our supercharger and twin turbo systems as well as separately for individuals or shops:


http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/3stagefuelrails.jpg

Our MAF flanges just came in fresh off the cnc machine!

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/3stagebagofmafs.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/3stagemafcloseup.jpg

Our finished MAF flange next to a 3D printed prototype we used to verify fitment:

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/3stagemaf3dprint.jpg

A 3D printed prototype of our pump hanger which we used for fitment testing and ability to install into the tank. These can hold up to 3 Ti Auto 267 fuel pumps and will come prewired for 3 pumps, so if running a double setup, the end user can just install the third pump and plug it in. These will also be available with our supercharger and twin turbo systems as well as separately for individuals or shops. We should be getting these back from cnc soon!

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/3stage3dprintfuelhanger.jpg

Evan, you guys are doing an amazing job .. No doubt every one is waiting for that kit
I just want to thank You guys for the updates and the progress and keeping us n the loop
We look forward to this kit and alot of people are excited .. My hats off to you guys
We appreciate all the hard work that you guys put on the venom and what are you guys doing
To help the viper community to build us a nice set up. Thanks again D3

[viper04]

Thanks for the updates.

[vegasgtr]

Legit shop! love the high tech precision.

[threesixes]

Evan, can you somehow 3D print a California CARB exempt version???:hog:

Print me one too please .....

[Carbon GTS]

What I love the most is not single post about cost of R&D from D3. All we hear is how the Viper is a low volume car and it cost truck loads of money to develop make parts for. This is how its done... keep up the good work gents.

[vegasgtr]

What I love the most is not single post about cost of R&D from D3. All we hear is how the Viper is a low volume car and it cost truck loads of money to develop make parts for. This is how its done... keep up the good work gents.

what is the cost? they started 4 days ago and they are almost done with mock up. seems like they are cruising right through it. Other shops have been working on it for 6 months from what i read.. Andy@ AA made a kit for the C7 from scratch in 6 days from start to finish. thats from bracket to IC to blower mounted and tuned.

we are not talking about a complex turbo kit with manifolds and shit. hardest part is fitting and making the bracket that holds the blower.

[Carbon GTS]

what is the cost? they started 4 days ago and they are almost done with mock up. seems like they are cruising right through it. Other shops have been working on it for 6 months from what i read.. Andy@ AA made a kit for the C7 from scratch in 6 days from start to finish. thats from bracket to IC to blower mounted and tuned.

we are not talking about a complex turbo kit with manifolds and shit. hardest part is fitting and making the bracket that holds the blower.

Yep... I called ProCharger directly around January for a project just like this. They declined basically for the reasons I stated above.

[PaulP]

what is the cost? they started 4 days ago and they are almost done with mock up. seems like they are cruising right through it. Other shops have been working on it for 6 months from what i read.. Andy@ AA made a kit for the C7 from scratch in 6 days from start to finish. thats from bracket to IC to blower mounted and tuned.

we are not talking about a complex turbo kit with manifolds and shit. hardest part is fitting and making the bracket that holds the blower.


How do you know how many people D3 has working on it in house and outsourced? its been a week and D3 is not telling you how many man hrs, shop expenses are going into this and how many parts they have thrown in the trash, they could be close then assemble and it doesn't work then back to the drawing board meaning more R&D costs. I think there doing a great job and really showing what there capable of.

[ViperSmith]

Some people will complain about everything. They'll release a cost when they have it.

[Y'orange_UAE]

what is the cost? they started 4 days ago and they are almost done with mock up. seems like they are cruising right through it. Other shops have been working on it for 6 months from what i read.. Andy@ AA made a kit for the C7 from scratch in 6 days from start to finish. thats from bracket to IC to blower mounted and tuned.

we are not talking about a complex turbo kit with manifolds and shit. hardest part is fitting and making the bracket that holds the blower.


vegasgtr,

what i understand that Andy at A&A working on one car (Corvette) and D3PE working on so many cars with custom fabrication. Which means their project for sure it will not be as fast as Andy at A&A, as D3PE need to finish customers cars + to ensure that their kit comes perfect when we are going to install it in our Vipers :fpopcorn:

D3PE correct me if i'm wrong.

[vegasgtr]

vegasgtr,

what i understand that Andy at A&A working on one car (Corvette) and D3PE working on so many cars with custom fabrication. Which means their project for sure it will not be as fast as Andy at A&A, as D3PE need to finish customers cars + to ensure that their kit comes perfect when we are going to install it in our Vipers :fpopcorn:

D3PE correct me if i'm wrong.

Oh no doubt they have other things going and Andy makes kits for the Corvettes. I am not knocking them at all. I was actually praising D3 for how fast they are coming along. Their past investments in all that 3d technology is paying dividends in how quickly they can fabricate a kit for any car.

By no means am i complaining ! I think what the crew is doing is awesome and from what i have heard they do it right.

[Carbon GTS]

No complaining here ! Very impressed with the progress so far. Guess it speaks to the talent at D3

[vegasgtr]

anyone want to guess what it will make on pump gas 93 with a very conservative tune?

Ill say 760whp/640trq @wheels

[Malu59RT]

Evan, I saw y'all are bringing Andy's car for Street Car Takeover in Dallas this weekend. Any chance you guys are bringing James's TT Gen V? I got to see it at TI, but showed up on Sunday and didn't see it run :(

[Evan@D3PE]

Evan, I saw y'all are bringing Andy's car for Street Car Takeover in Dallas this weekend. Any chance you guys are bringing James's TT Gen V? I got to see it at TI, but showed up on Sunday and didn't see it run :(

It's not likely the turbo car will be there. Even Andy's is a little bit of a mad dash to get back together in time lol

[moe.basilo]

It's not likely the turbo car will be there. Even Andy's is a little bit of a mad dash to get back together in time lol

Evan, any progress with the build? :fpopcorn:

[Evan@D3PE]

Evan, any progress with the build? :fpopcorn:

Car is up in the air with the bumper off and intercooler core and piping here. Hopefully going to keep progressing but the race this weekend has us in a little bit of a scramble with some other projects

[mjorgensen]

Car is up in the air with the bumper off and intercooler core and piping here. Hopefully going to keep progressing but the race this weekend has us in a little bit of a scramble with some other projects

If you can discover additional cooling capabilities while you are working on the intercooler for the GenV you could also capture some business from N/A crowd while you are at it ;-)

[Evan@D3PE]

If you can discover additional cooling capabilities while you are working on the intercooler for the GenV you could also capture some business from N/A crowd while you are at it ;-)

We do a lot of HX stuff for the GM supercharged cars as well as fan shrouds. We're definitely keeping it in mind :)

[moe.basilo]

Car is up in the air with the bumper off and intercooler core and piping here. Hopefully going to keep progressing but the race this weekend has us in a little bit of a scramble with some other projects

alright evan, good luck in the race this weekend
and looking forward for the build prgoress. :hog:

[Evan@D3PE]

Un-related but our race this past weekend went good! Had a couple cars take home trophies and Andy's Viper made a nice and easy 8.3 at 181mph test pass so we're ready for final prep leading up to Texas Invitational in a month!

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11990521_1071118422913185_7880551803723510968_n.jp g?oh=58e43f19e65ac3cb2866cdd34d7f1214&oe=56A876BD

[Evan@D3PE]

We finally got the rest of the 3D components in, huge thanks to Engatech for helping with the prints since they were so large. We got them onto the car to test fitment and installation, we have noted a couple small changes we need to make in the CAD drawing and we should be ready to have a prototype CNC machined for testing!

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted1.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted2.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted3.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted4.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted5.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted6.jpg

[timberwolf]

Being a CAD guy myself, I understand what it takes to make something this complex and precise. Kudos to some gorgeous parts, and a quick turnaround!


We finally got the rest of the 3D components in, huge thanks to Engatech for helping with the prints since they were so large. We got them onto the car to test fitment and installation, we have noted a couple small changes we need to make in the CAD drawing and we should be ready to have a prototype CNC machined for testing!

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted1.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted2.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted3.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted4.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted5.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted6.jpg

[Murpowa]

I agree with timberwolf - keep up the great work guys

[Destrukt]

Wow, ViperExchange and D3 is local to me..... what would you do? lol

[donk_316]

wow, viperexchange and d3 is local to me..... What would you do? Lol

both

[LmeaViper]

Perhaps it is the angle of the pics, however is there any interference with the airbox / intake on the current set up?
thks

[Tiago]

it will probably require a custom air box like the GEn3 paxton did.

[timberwolf]

Perhaps it is the angle of the pics, however is there any interference with the airbox / intake on the current set up?
thks

I would imagine both throttle bodies will be plumbed to an intercooler to drop temps after compressing the air. The will probably snake a nice intake pipe off the blower to a cool air source down below since ram air is pointless with this setup. You can put the stock airbox on a shelf like I do with all the other old air boxes and parts from old cars:)

[FastMatt]

This may force me to buy a gen 5 lol:)

[G37Sam]

Is it weird that this pic turned me on a little?

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted6.jpg

[moe.basilo]

We finally got the rest of the 3D components in, huge thanks to Engatech for helping with the prints since they were so large. We got them onto the car to test fitment and installation, we have noted a couple small changes we need to make in the CAD drawing and we should be ready to have a prototype CNC machined for testing!

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted1.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted2.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted3.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted4.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted5.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted6.jpg

Awesome job evan .. Thumbs up for all the hard work and the time spent on the car.
I have a question evan, How much psi it will handle the 8 rip belt with no slippage from your experience? Just curious because I'm planning to upgrade the engine internal in the future.

[Nine Ball]

Awesome job evan .. Thumbs up for all the hard work and the time spent on the car.
I have a question evan, How much psi it will handle the 8 rip belt with no slippage from your experience? Just curious because I'm planning to upgrade the engine internal in the future.

It isn't just a matter of the rib count. Has more to do with the surface area that this belt covers around the blower pulley, and the crank pulley. From the photos, both pulleys are large diameter (good) and the idler/tensioner design has maximum circumference belt-wrap in mind. PSI is also a measure of restriction, not a good relative indicator vs belt friction. Most Gen 3 Paxton cars can achieve 12-14 psi with a simple green Gates belt, and that is on a much smaller blower pulley size. The Viper engine makes 900+ rwhp at those boost levels.

[Evan@D3PE]

Perhaps it is the angle of the pics, however is there any interference with the airbox / intake on the current set up?
thks

We will be making an airbox for the system but yes it won't use the stock piece.

[Evan@D3PE]

Is it weird that this pic turned me on a little?

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/4stage3dprinted6.jpg

It would be weird if it didn't :p

[rlhay2]

We will be making an airbox for the system but yes it won't use the stock piece.

Why?
Is there a benefit to an air box in an FI application?
Or is it just to facilitate air filtration?

[Evan@D3PE]

Why?
Is there a benefit to an air box in an FI application?
Or is it just to facilitate air filtration?

More so to get "clean" air from outside of the engine bay

[rlhay2]

More so to get "clean" air from outside of the engine bay

Ah-ha!! :t1236:

Good idea, if you have sufficient room for the volume demands!

[TCurtner]

It would be weird if it didn't :p
It'd turn me on more if it was for a Gen IV...?? (sorry Gen V'ers, that's what i've got)

[moe.basilo]

It isn't just a matter of the rib count. Has more to do with the surface area that this belt covers around the blower pulley, and the crank pulley. From the photos, both pulleys are large diameter (good) and the idler/tensioner design has maximum circumference belt-wrap in mind. PSI is also a measure of restriction, not a good relative indicator vs belt friction. Most Gen 3 Paxton cars can achieve 12-14 psi with a simple green Gates belt, and that is on a much smaller blower pulley size. The Viper engine makes 900+ rwhp at those boost levels.

thanks nine ball for the info

[Nine Ball]

Why?
Is there a benefit to an air box in an FI application?
Or is it just to facilitate air filtration?

As funky as the Paxton airbox looks, it still flows a lot of air and uses the hood scoop to feed it. I've dyno'd and ran the drag strip with the bellmouth in place, as well as the airbox. No performance difference. The bellmouth just looks cooler, but filtered air is better. haha

[98intrigue]

As funky as the Paxton airbox looks, it still flows a lot of air and uses the hood scoop to feed it. I've dyno'd and ran the drag strip with the bellmouth in place, as well as the airbox. No performance difference. The bellmouth just looks cooler, but filtered air is better. haha

On my Paxton Gen 3 car, I ran the dyno without the air box and then with the air box back to back...it made an extra 130whp with the airbox installed.

[Rapidrezults]

On my Paxton Gen 3 car, I ran the dyno without the air box and then with the air box back to back...it made an extra 130whp with the airbox installed.

130?? That's an insane difference.

[98intrigue]

130?? That's an insane difference.
Sorry...I meant 140whp http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/7038-Finally-got-my-Paxton-car-running-right

[Evan@D3PE]

Now that the brackets and pulley are out at the CNC, we started with the intake design. We installed the OEM airbox then scanned it to know our height limitations along with the point which meets the hood. Then we removed it and scanned the inlet of the supercharger for routing and the radiator fans for depth limitations.

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/5stageairboxscan1.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/5stageairboxscan2.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/5stageairboxscan3.jpg

http://www.d3performanceengineering.com/forumpics/Gen5Viper/5stageairboxscan4.jpg

[Chipster]

Pretty awesome that you guys are documenting this!

[slovenom]

You guys Rock!!

[Jdmuscle]

Very excited to see the outcome... Good job D3

[Nine Ball]

On my Paxton Gen 3 car, I ran the dyno without the air box and then with the air box back to back...it made an extra 130whp with the airbox installed.

I believe that. Airflow into the blower would be horrible. But, all that is fixed with a bellmouth.

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/ynotdv8/Viper/DSC01274.jpg

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/ynotdv8/Viper/DSC01272.jpg

[DZnutz]

Running around without a filter is a very bad idea

[slovenom]

I believe that. Airflow into the blower would be horrible. But, all that is fixed with a bellmouth.

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/ynotdv8/Viper/DSC01274.jpg

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/ynotdv8/Viper/DSC01272.jpg
Hey Nine where did you get that thing on the blower
Is that what you are calling bellmouth?
I want to get one for my paxton
thanks

[Redx]

Hey Nine where did you get that thing on the blower
Is that what you are calling bellmouth?
I want to get one for my paxton
thanks

its called a velocity stack

[Evan@D3PE]

Goodies on the way from Nitrous Outlet just for kicks :)

[timberwolf]

Goodies on the way from Nitrous Outlet just for kicks :)

In addition to the blowe?:D

[Evan@D3PE]

In addition to the blowe?:D

Of course! ;)

[Y'orange_UAE]

Hey Evan, the intake pipe it will be twin pipe from the intercooler to TB or single pipe from intercooler then Y pipe to TB.

Thanks,
Khaleefa.

[Evan@D3PE]

Due to space constraints and routing, it will need to be a single pipe out of the IC then splitting to the TB.

[Junkie]

Running around without a filter is a very bad idea

I've done it for years on Supras, Vipers and Corvettes. Little to no issues, these aren't rally cars lol

[timberwolf]

Just use a sheet of fabric softener over the inlet housing with a rubber band lol

[Jack B]

The G5 will set a code if you run without the filter

[Malu59RT]

The G5 will set a code if you run without the filter

Jack,

I think they are talking about high performance applications where the blower/turbo is not restricted by an air filter.

[Y'orange_UAE]

Also you can run this for max power http://turbo-guard.com/

[Y'orange_UAE]

As expected and thanks for the answer


Due to space constraints and routing, it will need to be a single pipe out of the IC then splitting to the TB.

[Evan@D3PE]

Also you can run this for max power http://turbo-guard.com/

We do use those in our race applications but for this supercharger system we wanted more of a completely streetable intake system with less liability of any debris or hot engine bay air being inhaled. I have a set of turbo-guards on the way for my racecar right now actually lol

Sorry for the delay guys! I actually got married and just got back from my honeymoon so Dave has been doing what he can but has been pretty covered up with the day to day shop stuff!

[mjorgensen]

We do use those in our race applications but for this supercharger system we wanted more of a completely streetable intake system with less liability of any debris or hot engine bay air being inhaled. I have a set of turbo-guards on the way for my racecar right now actually lol

Sorry for the delay guys! I actually got married and just got back from my honeymoon so Dave has been doing what he can but has been pretty covered up with the day to day shop stuff!

Congratulation's again on that Evan!

[ViperPete]

Marriage is great. Vipers are great!

[DPViper]

Yea...Vipers are great.

[TexasSnake]

Yea...Vipers are great.

Very true!!! Vipers are great!!!

[Jdmuscle]

Everything is great but vipers are the greatest along with Supras ;)

[Vprbite]

If I could marry a Viper, I would.

[Y'orange_UAE]

We do use those in our race applications but for this supercharger system we wanted more of a completely streetable intake system with less liability of any debris or hot engine bay air being inhaled. I have a set of turbo-guards on the way for my racecar right now actually lol

Sorry for the delay guys! I actually got married and just got back from my honeymoon so Dave has been doing what he can but has been pretty covered up with the day to day shop stuff!

Congratulations and welcome to the new life :)

[moe.basilo]

We do use those in our race applications but for this supercharger system we wanted more of a completely streetable intake system with less liability of any debris or hot engine bay air being inhaled. I have a set of turbo-guards on the way for my racecar right now actually lol

Sorry for the delay guys! I actually got married and just got back from my honeymoon so Dave has been doing what he can but has been pretty covered up with the day to day shop stuff!

Congrats evan :)
Any progress with the viper .. We are waiting for more updates :drive:

[Evan@D3PE]

Thanks everyone, I'm very happy with both!

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/10402472_987792437912451_7272509466541951510_n.jpg ?oh=dd6361d37535d5bf82e2c4fb57d519c9&oe=5690F9F8


Still waiting on parts being machined and have Texas Invitational next weekend so it's a little hectic at the moment but I got this thrown in :)

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12042690_1082929648398729_174903374957624252_n.jpg ?oh=c5bd7a1e0a9d7c6fc40b8a3f2120f69b&oe=569399CF

[cashcorn]

Congrat's! That's one lucky viper.

[moe.basilo]

Thanks everyone, I'm very happy with both!

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/10402472_987792437912451_7272509466541951510_n.jpg ?oh=dd6361d37535d5bf82e2c4fb57d519c9&oe=5690F9F8


Still waiting on parts being machined and have Texas Invitational next weekend so it's a little hectic at the moment but I got this thrown in :)

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12042690_1082929648398729_174903374957624252_n.jpg ?oh=c5bd7a1e0a9d7c6fc40b8a3f2120f69b&oe=569399CF

Evan,

Any updates regarding the kit? any progress? how long is it gone take for the kit to be ready for the public? :fpopcorn:

[timberwolf]

Evan,

Any updates regarding the kit? any progress? how long is it gone take for the kit to be ready for the public? :fpopcorn:

Shh... He's busy makin kids now! haha
Congrats on the nuptials Evan! It's all worth while.

Greg

[moe.basilo]

Shh... He's busy makin kids now! haha
Congrats on the nuptials Evan! It's all worth while.

Greg

HAHAHA
alright ill keep my mouth shut then :smilielol:

[Evan@D3PE]

LOL sorry guys, Texas Invitational last weekend was our last major event for the year, which we had about 10 customers at, and took first place in the RWD class again with Andy's Gen2! Now a little catch up and development is BACK ON!

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12118939_689242241175510_3795761223486697977_n.jpg ?oh=cd6b336f0c2a6055ce49ce1b1ab1c9b2&oe=569409D0

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/l/t1.0-9/12074612_689690337797367_8367329495750810855_n.jpg ?oh=ea84870e5fb0f2a9288f6cb02b7c79f6&oe=568B28A1

[Evan@D3PE]

We did get notification that our project with Mantic Clutch is headed our way :) D3PE/Mantic Gen5 Twin and Triple Discs coming real soon!

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12141563_1093509084007452_2241887940892733082_n.jp g?oh=1d16985c0428c7da2abae7211091e028&oe=5694BEB5

[ACR]

We did get notification that our project with Mantic Clutch is headed our way :) D3PE/Mantic Gen5 Twin and Triple Discs coming real soon!



Streetable? How heavy is the clutch pedal

[Evan@D3PE]

Streetable? How heavy is the clutch pedal

It's based off a current off the shelf unit so if all goes to plan it will be extremely streetable and easy to drive. We have the same clutch in a couple high powered vettes with very good results. We'll make a separate thread once we have this one up and running in our car

[viper04]

It's based off a current off the shelf unit so if all goes to plan it will be extremely streetable and easy to drive. We have the same clutch in a couple high powered vettes with very good results. We'll make a separate thread once we have this one up and running in our car

Nice please keep us posted on this.

[Evan@D3PE]

We received our Triple disc we've been working with Mantic Clutch on as well as our CNC supercharger brackets yesterday! Time to get back to work!

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/12079098_1093393977352296_1362984458154910301_n.jp g?oh=aec46553b3d496097c11bb3dc1165439&oe=56C37260

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12141563_1093509084007452_2241887940892733082_n.jp g?oh=1d16985c0428c7da2abae7211091e028&oe=5694BEB5

[vegasgtr]

was curious to see if stock would hold on base kit.

[Evan@D3PE]

was curious to see if stock would hold on base kit.

Based on others results I would say it's a possibility but not likely with any kind of drag racing. We don't really plan to push the stock clutch so that will be up to the end user if they want to try it or not

[EdwardETraylorIII]

How's that tuning going, AntiLag?

[Urbamworm]

Nice, was a little sad seeing this on hold waiting for parts. Think this thing might actually be all together, running and tuned by the end of next week?

[moe.basilo]

We received our Triple disc we've been working with Mantic Clutch on as well as our CNC supercharger brackets yesterday! Time to get back to work!

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/12079098_1093393977352296_1362984458154910301_n.jp g?oh=aec46553b3d496097c11bb3dc1165439&oe=56C37260

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12141563_1093509084007452_2241887940892733082_n.jp g?oh=1d16985c0428c7da2abae7211091e028&oe=5694BEB5

Evan, any progress with the build :fpopcorn:

[G37Sam]

Evan, any progress with the build :fpopcorn:

Haha someone's pocket is starting to itch!

[moe.basilo]

Haha someone's pocket is starting to itch!

hahaha since D3 started this thread actually :D

[Evan@D3PE]

Closer closer! Going ahead and getting the CNC'd parts anodized so we don't have to take them off again! Here's the latest with the air box concept

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/12115601_1095347513823609_441327211900969864_n.jpg ?oh=8aa55114280f5c9189a6ec73d736670e&oe=56C425CE

[vegasgtr]

wow , love the design ! smart.

[Evan@D3PE]

Brackets and pulley back from Anodize and black F1X on the way :)

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t34.0-12/12166281_1097835806908113_643765977_n.jpg?oh=611df ccde9489ada67713604a0f8c0e0&oe=563026E9

[timberwolf]

Brackets and pulley back from Anodize and black F1X on the way :)

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t34.0-12/12166281_1097835806908113_643765977_n.jpg?oh=611df ccde9489ada67713604a0f8c0e0&oe=563026E9

Sounds like you have everything now!!

[Evan@D3PE]

Sounds like you have everything now!!

Still will be going on and off with everything, pending testing, for coating and jigging but should be able to start up at least very soon

[moe.basilo]

Still will be going on and off with everything, pending testing, for coating and jigging but should be able to start up at least very soon

Great job evan,

Any estimated time frame to start up the car? :fpopcorn:

[ViperSmith]

Moe's money is burning a hole through his pocket, from Dubai all the way to Texas!

[Evan@D3PE]

Should be able to start up with the blower mounted by the end of the week. Tuning will be a little more time though as we document everything, test, coat items, and work on install instruction as we go along

[Jdmuscle]

Looking better by the minute... Can't wait to see the results!!

[moe.basilo]

Moe's money is burning a hole through his pocket, from Dubai all the way to Texas!

Haha your damn right i am .. Very excited actually lol :smilielol:


Should be able to start up with the blower mounted by the end of the week. Tuning will be a little more time though as we document everything, test, coat items, and work on install instruction as we go along

Thats amazing thanks for the heads up evan, you guys doing a great job
Looking forward to it and please keep us updated. :)

[Evan@D3PE]

Determined to start this thing up tomorrow! Got the base bracket installed and crank pulley installed today. Little bit of hardware to grab and the blower will be in tomorrow!

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12189904_1100035436688150_7375719760591794986_n.jp g?oh=54c8f29628a0ef9f71d40351898351e7&oe=56BC9FC3

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[Space Truckin]

Just a tad over 2 months, excellent work. Subscribed :fpopcorn:

[Rapidrezults]

Beautiful work. I can't wait to see the results.

[TitanSnake]

it'll be tough waiting for the arrow SC knowing this is available.

[Jdmuscle]

Arrow going to be a centrifugal or a twin screw?

[Coloviper]

A screw is the way to go but this centrifugal looks pretty good and in the end, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[v10tt]

Driveability tuning is going to be the KEY on this package, Nice set up!!

[rlhay2]

A screw is the way to go but this centrifugal looks pretty good and in the end

I was skeptical of a twin screw on an 8.4L engine. I had a twin screw on a 5.4 V8 and it blew the tires off with ease. That extra 3.0L of displacement should be worse.

Perhaps being drive by wire, there could have been a way to tame some civility but that would require a knowledgeable and experience tuner.

[Evan@D3PE]

I was skeptical of a twin screw on an 8.4L engine. I had a twin screw on a 5.4 V8 and it blew the tires off with ease. That extra 3.0L of displacement should be worse.

Perhaps being drive by wire, there could have been a way to tame some civility but that would require a knowledgeable and experience tuner.

No it's still bad having a 1000whp car on a roots blower lol especially with a big engine. There is only so much you can do tune wise and in my opinion they are not fun to drive since it's basically an off/on switch. Aside from that, another thing a little harder to nail down is the cooling with a roots blower. We make a ton of HX systems for factory roots cars to improve cooling with elevated power so it's not impossible but something to keep in mind. That being said, our centrifugal kit will have an option to regulate boost and make the power wherever you want it if desired ;)

[v10tt]

What type in intercooler is the Centrifugal going to use?

[Evan@D3PE]

What type in intercooler is the Centrifugal going to use?

We've gone back and forth a little bit in regards of fitment and placement but we're back to a front mount air to air at the moment which we'll be testing thoroughly before production

[ACR]

No it's still bad having a 1000whp car on a roots blower lol especially with a big engine. There is only so much you can do tune wise and in my opinion they are not fun to drive since it's basically an off/on switch. Aside from that, another thing a little harder to nail down is the cooling with a roots blower. We make a ton of HX systems for factory roots cars to improve cooling with elevated power so it's not impossible but something to keep in mind. That being said, our centrifugal kit will have an option to regulate boost and make the power wherever you want it if desired ;)

Excellent post. Cooling is a factor with a roots blower, much more so than with a centri blower


We've gone back and forth a little bit in regards of fitment and placement but we're back to a front mount air to air at the moment which we'll be testing thoroughly before production
Air to water, more consistent IATs and ice tank possibility, no charge loss

[Murpowa]

Fantastic work. This is coming together nicely! Big thumbs up to you for the enthusiasm and momentum in this build

[Evan@D3PE]

Excellent post. Cooling is a factor with a roots blower, much more so than with a centri blower


Air to water, more consistent IATs and ice tank possibility, no charge loss

We're still likely making an upgraded "race version" intercooler using an air to water but to keep everything as cost effective as possible we are going to test with an air to air front mount first. Packaging is a pain both ways honestly so we have gone back and forth but I know that's what the mass public will probably prefer price wise as opposed to the air to water intercooler, pump, heat exchanger, lines, tank, etc. We won't release the air to air if temps aren't acceptable of course

[donk_316]

A big old Air to Air mounted in front would be kick ass honestly. Looks awesome!

[rlhay2]

Offer both!

Drag racers want A2W for the efficiency.

Road racers want A2A for the reliability and lack of required maintenance.

It's not better vs worse but more picking the right tool for the job.

[G37Sam]

Nothing beats a fat intercooler poking through the front bumper!

[Simms]

Nothing beats a fat intercooler poking through the front bumper!

Agree! It looks awesome, but robs you of airflow to your radiator.

[Jack B]

You definitely might have issues on a long track sessions if you restrict the borderline radiator


Agree! It looks awesome, but robs you of airflow to your radiator.

[Simms]

You definitely might have issues on a long track sessions if you restrict the borderline radiator

I ran VERY warm on the track with my 96 TT. At some point, I'm going to remove my front mount intercooler for an air to water. All good on the street and strip, but makes me uncomfortable at the track.

The old girl has a 160 thermo, aluminum rad, Roe facia kit, and Dan Cragin pusher fan setup.

[Evan@D3PE]

First start up!


http://youtu.be/EMd0w_Gb0QI

[7TH_SIGN]

Awesome job guys! The community greatly appreciates your hard work.

[FLATOUT]

She spins! :)

[jvm728]

I'm an engineer and do product design every day. This is solid work, very impressed. You guys have my business in the future for sure. Great job.

[Jack B]

If you go into politics you have my vote - great start.

[Evan@D3PE]

Intercooler and piping coming together

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12187867_10153213788052338_7809355331404633947_n.j pg?oh=29a95d32ae649e759877e5ae4a4d28b2&oe=56B19FA8

And another video from behind

https://www.facebook.com/evan.davis.79/videos/1101302986561395/

[Evan@D3PE]

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[Antonio@CalvoMotorsports]

You put a wastegate on the charge pipe and vent boost through it.

[XXX BLK]

Evan, I will have your supporting vendor up ASAP. Thank you.

[Evan@D3PE]

Sorry for the cell phone pics guys but I figured you would want to see our progress from last night :)

D3PE fuel system going in on Monday then we start tuning!

http://i67.tinypic.com/xer8cw.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/711zs3.jpg

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[Space Truckin]

Sweeet...looking good! :dude3: